| Author | Message | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2012 |
A president killed a General of the enemy country without triggering a war. My first time to post a thread, so forgive me if the puzzle is not funny~ | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3149 Registered: 7-2009 |
It doesn't have to be funny, no worries Is this a true story? Fiction? FOYI (Figment of your imagination)? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1624 Registered: 1-2011 |
Were the two states already at war? Was the killer already (or still) a president at the moment? Was the victim still a general at the moment? Was the victim an army general? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2012 |
It doesn't have to be funny, no worries Is this a true story?yes Fiction? FOYI (Figment of your imagination)? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2012 |
Were the two states already at war?i felt regret as soon as i posted this puzzle mentioning the war thing. My best answer to this is that the two states were not at war de facto Was the killer already (or still) a president at the moment?Yes but i won't say he was a "killer" Was the victim still a general at the moment?yesWas the victim an army general?yes, but it is not relevant whether it was army or navy | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3405 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the president human? is this a game? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2012 |
was the president human?yes is this a game?no, but good jump | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17596 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the general also human? Was the general already near death? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2012 |
Was the general also human? yes Was the general already near death?no | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 10 Registered: 9-2012 |
Was the general also human? yes Was the general already near death?no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17597 Registered: 4-2010 |
Method of the general's death relevant? Would it be classified as murder? Execution? Self-defense? Accidental? Natural causes? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 11 Registered: 9-2012 |
Method of the general's death relevant? Would it be classified as murder? Execution? Self-defense? Accidental? Natural causes? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 12 Registered: 9-2012 |
Method of the general's death relevant?The method is rather simple Would it be classified as murder? Execution?This one Self-defense? Accidental? Natural causes? | ||
| Dzhang1996 (Dzhang1996)
New member Username: Dzhang1996 Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2012 |
It the capitalization of the G in general significant in any way? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 13 Registered: 9-2012 |
It the capitalization of the G in general significant in any way? No, I am sorry. | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 401 Registered: 2-2012 |
President as in president of a country? President personally executed the general? Ordered the execution? Was physically present at the execution (say, within one mile)? General as in someone who commands military forces? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2012 |
President as in president of a country? yes President personally executed the general? Ordered the execution? Was physically present at the execution (say, within one mile)? None of above General as in someone who commands military forces?well, more like general as a title | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 17 Registered: 9-2012 |
BLOPERR ALLEERTTT!!! Was the killer already (or still) a president at the moment? the answer should be No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17603 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the president kill the general before he became president? After? Between terms? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 21 Registered: 9-2012 |
Did the president kill the general before he became president?this one After? Between terms? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2077 Registered: 9-2009 |
The general - a general of an army of regular soldiers? Or some other meaning of the word? Did the president kill him personally? Or rather ordered his execution? If the latter, did he order his military to do so, or to his secret service? Did this happen this century? Last one? In the antiquity? Just to be sure, did the fact happen in actual history, as we know it (like Brutus killing Caesar), or was it a reenactment of some sort? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 23 Registered: 9-2012 |
The general - a general of an army of regular soldiers?this Or some other meaning of the word? Did the president kill him personally?No Or rather ordered his execution?No If the latter, did he order his military to do so, or to his secret service? And neither Did this happen this century? Last one?this one In the antiquity? Just to be sure, did the fact happen in actual history, as we know it (like Brutus killing Caesar)This, but the chance of your knowledge of it is rare., or was it a reenactment of some sort? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17609 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the president part of the firing squad that executed him? Was the general executed by firing squad? Relevant? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 27 Registered: 9-2012 |
Was the president part of the firing squad that executed him?No Was the general executed by firing squad?No Relevant?The way he died is relevant | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2083 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the two friends? Was the death of the general accidental? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 31 Registered: 9-2012 |
Were the two friends?No Was the death of the general accidental?I don't know actually... but let's assume it was NOT accidental. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17619 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the general executed by hanging? Beheading? Electric chair? Gas chamber? Lethal injection? Is it relevant when this takes place? Did it take place in Roman times? Was the general crucified? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 34 Registered: 9-2012 |
Was the general executed by hanging? Beheading? Electric chair? Gas chamber? Lethal injection? This one but irrelevant. Is it relevant when this takes place?Just the state of art is relevant Did it take place in Roman times?No Was the general crucified?no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17625 Registered: 4-2010 |
Clarification: What do you mean by "state of art"? Was the general executed justly (for a capital crime that he had committed)? Was a war prevented by the execution? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 37 Registered: 9-2012 |
Clarification: What do you mean by "state of art"? state of art = the technological conditions Was the general executed justly (for a capital crime that he had committed)? Yesish~ Was a war prevented by the execution?No | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2098 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the two countries we are taking about "traditional" enemies? (Like, e.g. USSR and America during the cold war, etc)? Was the general killed in his own country? In the president's? In some other location? Can we call them Tom (the president) and Jerry (the general)? Are Tom and Jerry speaking natively the same language? Is it WW2 relevant? WW1? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 40 Registered: 9-2012 |
Are the two countries we are taking about "traditional" enemies? (Like, e.g. USSR and America during the cold war, etc)? Yes, i think so Was the general killed in his own country?YES In the president's? In some other location? Can we call them Tom (the president) and Jerry (the general)? Cool Are Tom and Jerry speaking natively the same language? Noish to Yope Is it WW2 relevant? WW1? It happened at post-cold war | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17811 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it known that the president killed the general? Did he actually commit the killing? Or did someone else do it under his order? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 63 Registered: 9-2012 |
Was it known that the president killed the general?known to part of people in his country Did he actually commit the killing?No Or did someone else do it under his order?Neither | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2163 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did Tom release some information that got Jerry arrested and killed for espionage or a related crime? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 66 Registered: 9-2012 |
Did Tom release some information that got Jerry arrested and killed for espionageYES!!! or a related crime? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2168 Registered: 9-2009 |
You said "known to part of people in his country". The general's? The president's? Relevant that it was known only to a part of the people? If so: By the authorities, but unknown to the general public? Was Jerry in the past visiting Tom's country? Were they both (or at least one of them) involved in intelligence gathering in the other country? Is a (love) affair relevant? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 71 Registered: 9-2012 |
You said "known to part of people in his country". The general's? The president's?this Relevant that it was known only to a part of the people?not really If so: By the authorities, but unknown to the general public?it's just as time gone by, people don't anymore share a clear memory of this event Was Jerry in the past visiting Tom's country?Never Were they both (or at least one of them) involved in intelligence gathering in the other country? Too many elements in this q. Please rephrase it Is a (love) affair relevant?No | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2175 Registered: 9-2009 |
Rephrasing: Was Tom involved in spying Jerry's country? Its citizens in Tom's country? Its citizens in another country? The same for Jerry in the case of Tom's country, please. Was classified information passed by Tom to Jerry? By Jerry to Tom? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 72 Registered: 9-2012 |
Tom was not really involved in spying Jerry's country. Its citizens in Jerry's country? Yes Its citizens in another country? Yes, but irrelevant Was Jerry involved in spying Tom's country? No Its citizens in Tom's country? Yes in another country? yes, but irrel. Was classified information passed by Tom to Jerry?possible By Jerry to Tom?YES | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2208 Registered: 9-2009 |
Long shot in the dark: Is it about North and South Korea? Were emails exchanged between the two? Fax messages? Exchange of letters? Did they use the method of using the same account on a public email service, but not sending the emails, just saving them as drafts? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 86 Registered: 9-2012 |
Long shot in the dark: Is it about North and South Korea? You are so close Were emails exchanged between the two? Fax messages? Exchange of letters?irrelevant, but most likely to be those that left no trail Did they use the method of using the same account on a public email service, but not sending the emails, just saving them as drafts?See above | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2230 Registered: 9-2009 |
I think we are in a deadlock here. Trying to break it: Are the two (Tom and Jerry) related in any way, apart from their professional relationship? You said "close" about the Korean part .. are there two countries in the same region (like China and Taiwan)? Or close as in the situation of conflict, but not in the region? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 95 Registered: 9-2012 |
I think we are in a deadlock here. Trying to break it: Are the two (Tom and Jerry) related in any way, apart from their professional relationship? No You said "close" about the Korean part .. are there two countries in the same region (like China and Taiwan)Bingo!? Or close as in the situation of conflict, but not in the region? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2251 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are there any other people relevant? Was there a cover - up for the facts they have done, that preventented the war? Were other interests at stake that preventented the triggering of the war? Was false information passed from one part to the other, that meant that nothing was really revealed? Can we have a RECAP please? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 100 Registered: 9-2012 |
Are there any other people relevant?Yes, but not a specific one Was there a cover - up for the facts they have done, that preventented the war?No, no war was gonna occur at all. Were other interests at stake that preventented the triggering of the war?China and Taiwan had long been at peace de facto Was false information passed from one part to the other, that meant that nothing was really revealed?No | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 101 Registered: 9-2012 |
Recap: General Jerry of China was executed in China. Tom of Taiwan was not a president as he would be. A classified information was passed from Jerry to Tom. Let's find out what information it was and how Tom got Jerry killed | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4894 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was Jerry executed by the authorities? By criminals? Was the information meant to get Jerry killed? Was he accused of spying? Treason? Relevant how the information was conveyed? If so: in person? On paper? By phone? Fax? Email? Was it stored electronically? Was it given to someone else? Found by someone else? Was it secret information? Was it stolen information? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 117 Registered: 9-2012 |
Was Jerry executed by the authorities?yes By criminals?so no Was the information meant to get Jerry killed?no Was he accused of spying?this Treason?so this Relevant how the information was conveyed?No If so: in person? On paper? By phone? Fax? Email? Was it stored electronically?irrel. Was it given to someone else?Maybe Found by someone else?Nope to Yesish, explore! Was it secret information?Yes, it should have been Was it stolen information?yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4919 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the information stolen from: Taiwan? China? Someone else? Is it relevant why Tom sent this information to Jerry? Did Jerry actually do anything wrong? Did Tom want to frame Jerry? Did someone else want to frame Jerry? Was Jerry accused of giving this information to Tom? To someone else? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 122 Registered: 9-2012 |
Was the information stolen from: Taiwan? China?From China to Taiwan Someone else? Hint: how and by whom in the middle the information was passed is not important. But the story might not be complete without the Taiwan citizens mentioned Is it relevant why Tom sent this information to Jerry?Well, it would add some sorrow tragic elements Did Jerry actually do anything wrong?yesish Did Tom want to frame Jerry?Nope Did someone else want to frame Jerry?No Was Jerry accused of giving this information to Tom?Yes To someone else?no | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2294 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the message intercepted by a third part? Was the intention of Jerry to pass this information to Tom? Or maybe there was another person, also named Tom, that should have received the message,and instead it arrived at the other Tom (the one in our puzzle), that shouldn't have received it? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 124 Registered: 9-2012 |
Was the message intercepted by a third part?no Was the intention of Jerry to pass this information to Tom?Yes Or maybe there was another person, also named Tom, that should have received the message,and instead it arrived at the other Tom (the one in our puzzle), that shouldn't have received it?No, not like that | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3714 Registered: 2-2011 |
did Tom in some way prompt other people so that they found out Jerry had the information? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 125 Registered: 9-2012 |
did Tom in some way prompt other people so that they found out Jerry had the information? Noish to Yesish | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5014 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did Jerry pass the information to Tom: as a gesture of good will? As a proof of something? Proof of Taiwan's spying capabilities? Proof of wrongdoing by China? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 126 Registered: 9-2012 |
Did Jerry pass the information to Tom: as a gesture of good will?No As a proof of something?Yes Proof of Taiwan's spying capabilities?No Proof of wrongdoing by China?Yes | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2307 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was Jerry expecting to receive from Tom relevant information in exchange for his data? Some other benefit? A political asylum? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 127 Registered: 9-2012 |
Was Jerry expecting to receive from Tom relevant information in exchange for his data? Some other benefit? A political asylum? No to all | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5174 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did Tom do anything relevant with the information? Was Tom allowed access to this kind of information? Did the Chinese think Tom had obtained this information from China? If so, using illegal means? Did Jerry give the information to anyone else relevant? Is it relevant exactly what the information was about? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 128 Registered: 9-2012 |
Did Tom do anything relevant with the information?Yes Was Tom allowed access to this kind of information?No Did the Chinese think Tom had obtained this information from China?Yes If so, using illegal means?Yes Did Jerry give the information to anyone else relevant?No Is it relevant exactly what the information was about?YES | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5210 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the information describe: something military? An event? A policy? Something ongoing? An object? Did Tom show the information to someone? Someone Chinese? Someone in his government? His superior? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 129 Registered: 9-2012 |
Did the information describe: something military?This An event?and this A policy? Something ongoing? An object? Did Tom show the information to someone?YES Someone Chinese?No Someone in his government?No His superior?No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5213 Registered: 9-2009 |
Someone of another government? Journalists? Wikileaks? Or similar? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
Moderator Username: Peter365 Post Number: 148 Registered: 1-2011 |
Rogerchang I've put this puzzle into Limbo for now. You can reactivate it by answering the outstanding questions. If you do so please post notice of this in the chatroom |
