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tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 11:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Time Travel relevant? no
Does this take place in the future? yes
If so, is it important when exactly in the future? yope

I need to clarify:
There is mention of an argumant (disagreement) and an event that occurred on the day before the crash. Are the argument and the event one and the same thing? argument about event

Do we need to discover exactly what their work / mission involved? reason for the argument

"The day after yesterday"

Does that mean today? no ther daty the ship crashed ( taken from the film title the day after tomorow )
Does it mean the day before yesterday )(ie 2 days ago)? no
Does it mean something else? no
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 10:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this based on the film "The day after tomorrow"?

Is the future era hundreds of years away?

The argument was about an event?

Is it relevant when the event ocurred?
Is it a past event or a future event?
Was the argument between the pilot and the other crew? All the crew?

The event was a mission? The mission they were about to embark on?

Was there disagreement about how to proceed?
About some plan?

Is this right: The pilot disagreed with the crew about the mission and therefore killed them by sabotaging the flight.

If it is correct, do we need to find out more details?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 8:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this based on the film "The day after tomorrow"? no just a quote

Is the future era hundreds of years away? in the time that space travel is very advanced

The argument was about an event? yes

Is it relevant when the event ocurred? yes
Is it a past event or a future event? future avent about to happen
Was the argument between the pilot and the other crew? rephrase All the crew? yes

The event was a mission? yes The mission they were about to embark on? yes

Was there disagreement about how to proceed? no
About some plan? no

Is this right: The pilot disagreed with the crew about the mission and therefore killed them by sabotaging the flight.

If it is correct, do we need to find out more details? more details required
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 10:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are any of the crew related by family?
Did the pilot think the mission was dangerous?

What was it about the mission hat caused disagreement:
The place they were going to?
How they wre going to get there?
Any other planets involved?
Any other space ships involved?
Any other people involved where the mission was taking place?

Was it a war mission?
Aliens involved?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 1:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are any of the crew related by family? no
Did the pilot think the mission was dangerous? no

What was it about the mission hat caused disagreement: rephrase (i have instead anserd the questions as, does the mission involve)
The place they were going to? yope
How they wre going to get there? no
Any other planets involved? yes
Any other space ships involved? yes
Any other people involved where the mission was taking place? yes

Was it a war mission? yope
Aliens involved? yope
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 4:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it only one aspect of the mission that caused disagreement?

The mission:
Did they have to collect and return something?
Take something and deliver it?
Do something when they got there?

Were any of the crew (or pilot) aliens?
Any spies or traitors involved?

Were they going to a specific planet such as Mars?
were they leaving the Solar System?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 8:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it only one aspect of the mission that caused disagreement? no

The mission:
Did they have to collect and return something? yope
Take something and deliver it? yope
Do something when they got there? yes

Were any of the crew (or pilot) aliens? define alien
Any spies or traitors involved? yope

Were they going to a specific planet such as Mars? the planet they where going to is karak (taken from homeworld)
were they leaving the Solar System? yes
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 12:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By the way I am not familiar with the film that this puzzle comes from or "homeworld" - do I need to know more about the background of the film etc? Is "Homeworld" the PC game series? If it is, I'll research it.

Could you help me by telling me if any of the stuff that I ask about is not really relevant - thanks.

Do I need to find out what it is that they have to do when they get to Karak?

Are either of these definitions appropriate:

Aliens = creatures that supposedly come from other planets or elsewhere in the universe (like Mr Spok from the planet Vulcan)?

Aliens = mutant humans perhaps like spiderman / the incredible hulk - that sort?

Aliens = any creatures that are non human?

Aliens = hybrid offspring from the a sexual union between a non human and a human?

The mission on Karak:
Was it to destroy anything?
To create anything?
To change something?
Involve politics?
Did it involve colonising the planet?

"Any spies or traitors involved? yope"
Were any of the crew spies or traitors?
Is the Pilot who caused the deths a goody or a baddy?

I don't yet understand this statement below:
"but it would have been avoided if the ship had not flown yesterday"

Does it mean, that if they had flown before the argument with the pilot, then it would not have happened?
Does it mean that if the argument had not taken place at all then it would not have happened?
Or does it mean something different?

Did the pilot or any of the crew know any of those on the planet Karak?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 1:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By the way I am not familiar with the film that this puzzle comes from or "homeworld" - do I need to know more about the background of the film etc? Is "Homeworld" the PC game series? If it is, I'll research it. home world has no referance to this puzel but if your interested go to www.relic.com

Could you help me by telling me if any of the stuff that I ask about is not really relevant - thanks.

Do I need to find out what it is that they have to do when they get to Karak? yes

Are either of these definitions appropriate:

Aliens = creatures that supposedly come from other planets or elsewhere in the universe (like Mr Spok from the planet Vulcan)? yes

Aliens = mutant humans perhaps like spiderman / the incredible hulk - that sort? no

Aliens = any creatures that are non human? other plannet

Aliens = hybrid offspring from the a sexual union between a non human and a human? yope

The mission on Karak:
Was it to destroy anything? no
To create anything? yes
To change something?
Involve politics? yes
Did it involve colonising the planet? yope

"Any spies or traitors involved? yope"
Were any of the crew spies or traitors? no
Is the Pilot who caused the deths a goody or a baddy? BAD

I don't yet understand this statement below:
"but it would have been avoided if the ship had not flown yesterday" the day the event hapened and the reson they where murdered

Did the pilot or any of the crew know any of those on the planet Karak? yes
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 6:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So they were going to Karak to create something then?

Shall we call the pilot who killed the other crew Bob (or do you have a name for him)?

Was Bob a spy / traitor / alien /?
Did he know what the mission was about before the argument yesterday?
Or did he only learn about it when told what the mission was and this lead to the argument?
Did he disagree with the mission?
Is it essential to find out what the mission was to create?

Is Karal inhabitted by aliens?
By humans?

Would the mission have caused problems for the inhabitants of Karak?

Did Bob come from Karak?
Did he have friends / relatives on Karak?

The thing they were going to create:
A building / buildings?
Something biological?
Something mechanical
An industry?
A new civilisation?
Something else?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 8:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So they were going to Karak to create something then? yes

Shall we call the pilot who killed the other crew Bob (or do you have a name for him)? bob will do

Was Bob a spy / traitor / alien /? no
Did he know what the mission was about before the argument yesterday? yes
Or did he only learn about it when told what the mission was and this lead to the argument?
Did he disagree with the mission? no
Is it essential to find out what the mission was to create? yes

Is Karal inhabitted by aliens? no
By humans? yes

Would the mission have caused problems for the inhabitants of Karak? no

Did Bob come from Karak? no
Did he have friends / relatives on Karak? no

The thing they were going to create:
A building / buildings? no
Something biological? no
Something mechanical no
An industry? no
A new civilisation? no
Something else? yes

its spelt kharak
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 9:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If Bob was a bad guy but wasn't a traitor or spy who was - anybody on Kharak? Anbody among the dead crew?
Anybody on Kharak?
Do I need to find out more about:
Bob?
The dead crew?
The Thing to be created?
The mission?
Kharak and its inhabitants?
Anything else?

Was the single objective of the mission to creat something or were there any other important tasks I need to discover?

This thing to be created on Kharak was it:
a living thing or non living?
Was it something you could see and touch?
Or was it something conceptual (like a goverment) or invisible?
If it was something tangible was it bigger than a cell phone / TV / Car / house / Football stadium?
Had it been created anywhere else before?
Would it improve life on Kharak?
Was Bob against this thing being created?
Was anybody else against it?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 9:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is a time machine involved?
Or is time travel involved?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 11:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If Bob was a bad guy but wasn't a traitor or spy who was - anybody on Kharak? Anbody among the dead crew? yope
Anybody on Kharak? yes
Do I need to find out more about:
Bob? no
The dead crew? yope
The Thing to be created? yes
The mission? yes
Kharak and its inhabitants? no
Anything else? yes

Was the single objective of the mission to creat something or were there any other important tasks I need to discover? yes

This thing to be created on Kharak was it:
a living thing or non living? non living
Was it something you could see and touch? not touch
Or was it something conceptual (like a goverment) or invisible? treaty
If it was something tangible was it bigger than a cell phone / TV / Car / house / Football stadium? no
Had it been created anywhere else before? yes
Would it improve life on Kharak? yes
Was Bob against this thing being created? no
Was anybody else against it? no
Is a time machine involved? no
Or is time travel involved?no
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 9:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the argument over ethics?

Are the specifics of the treaty needed?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 8:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the argument over ethics? no

Are the specifics of the treaty needed? yes ish
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 12:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there any racism here? regionalism?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 11:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there any racism here? no
regionalism? no
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 3:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did one of the inhabitants of the planet "signal" the weapon somehow?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did one of the inhabitants of the planet "signal" the weapon somehow? rephrase
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 10:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the weapon directed to the planet somehow?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 4:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the wepon was ground based a grapple cannon
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 11:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the pilot also die?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 10:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And what left do we need to solve?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the treaty a peace treaty?
or, would it create a military alliance?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 11:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the ship leaving Karak on the day it was shot down? Arriving?

When it flew yesterday, was it leaving Karak? Arriving?
Relevent?

Any locations important?

Do I need to know more about the wing mate?

If the ship haddned flown yesterday, would ______ have changed?

The captain's descion to shoot them down?
The treaty?
The Wingmate's presence?
The Captain's presence?
The argument/disagreement/whatever it was?

This treaty; did it involve:

Karakian government/citizens?
Earth government/citizens?
Government/citizens of another planet?
The Captain directly?
The Crew directly?

Does the captain work for the same people/government/army/whatever that the now dead crew worked for?

Did the captain know any of the crew....
As relatives?
Friends?
Co-workers?
Aquantances?
Had they met outside of work?
Had they met?

Did the captain come to regret killing the crew?
Will he be punished?
Was it illegal?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 12:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the ship still have flown on that fatal day if it hadn't flown yesterday?

Is the type of any of the ships relevent?
Are any other ships/people involved?

Are the engineer and the weapons expert who aren't guilty relevent?

(Correction: Above change "If the ship haddned flown yesterday, would ______ have changed?" to "If the ship hadn't flown yesterday, would ______ have changed?")
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 4:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i think you have solved the entire puzzle but hvvent given me all the reason why in one statment
(post your version of what hapend and if it is correct you win)

the treaty is the prevention creating hyperspace techology (this forms part of the homeworld game wich i decided the trety part of the puzzle should revolve around)
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 4:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is anyone going to answer this
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 4:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the pilot also die? not the one on the ground

Was the ship leaving Karak on the day it was shot down? Arriving? it was at base

When it flew yesterday, was it leaving Karak? yes
Arriving? no
Relevent? yes

Any locations important? no

Do I need to know more about the wing mate? no

The captain's descion to shoot them down? no
The treaty? no
The Wingmate's presence? no
The Captain's presence? do you mean pilot
The argument/disagreement/whatever it was? yes this is the reason

This treaty; did it involve:

Karakian government/citizens? no
Earth government/citizens? no
Government/citizens of another planet? no
The Captain directly? no
The Crew directly? no

Does the captain work for the same people/government/army/whatever that the now dead crew worked for? yes

Did the captain know any of the crew....
As relatives? no
Friends? yes
Co-workers? yes
Aquantances? no
Had they met outside of work? irelevent
Had they met? yes

Did the captain come to regret killing the crew? ?????
Will he be punished? rephrase
Was it illegal? murder is ilegal

Would the ship still have flown on that fatal day if it hadn't flown yesterday? rephrase

Is the type of any of the ships relevent? no
Are any other ships/people involved? only culprit

Are the engineer and the weapons expert who aren't guilty relevent? no

If the ship hadn't flown yesterday, would ______ have changed? their death
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 5:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So if the ship hadn't flown yesterday it would still be on Kharak, and it couldn't have been shot down from the base?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 8:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So if the ship hadn't flown yesterday it would still be on Kharak, and it couldn't have been shot down from the base? no they went to kahrac and returned on the sme day

i think you have solved the entire puzzle but hvvent given me all the reason why in one statment
(post your version of what hapend and if it is correct you win)
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 6:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

AD 2101, war is beginning.
What happen? Somebody set up us the bomb. We get signal. What? Main screen turn on.
"It's you!"
"How are you gentlemen!! All your base are belong to us. You are on the way to destruction."
"What you say?!"
"You have no chance to survive make your time. Ha ha ha ha...."

It's pretty much self-explanatory from there.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 12:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow, I should have thought of that...... Except that one person did survive.... and it was destroyed with a bomb, not a grapple cannon... but still, could be it... :P
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 3:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

grapple cannon? what the fizzle are you talking about?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 5:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Earlier in this puzzle... the ship got shot down by a ground-based grapple cannon....
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OH SNAP! Was it damaged? I'm sorry, I don't have time to read all these pages, so somebody give me a RECAP so I can SOLVE IT.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 3:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I would, but frankly, I don't really understand...
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 4:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Seein' any progress, Ian?
tyler ward (Scorpion_Hunter)
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 8:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the ships wingmate was puled into the ship the pilot (bad guy)wanted dead
the ship that he wanted dead crashed because of the resulting colision
Moderator Feenwelt (Dietmar)
Posted on Monday, July 04, 2005 - 7:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this the spoiler, Tyler?
Moderator Feenwelt (Dietmar)
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 8:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, I take it for the *** SPOILER *** and move this poor lonely puzzle.

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