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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 9:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A cat helped Sarita get away with murder. How come??
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 10:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the cat talk?

Sarita = human?
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 10:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are any of these relevant about the cat?
colour? breed? size? gender? location? feeding habits? grooming habits? its agility? its claws? its fur? the sounds it made? its ability to see in dim light? who it belonged to?

is the motive for the murder relevant? money? theft? revenge? romantic entanglement?

is the means of murder relevant? stabbing? shooting? strangling? drowning? poisoning? taking out onto the ice in a sled and leaving? :)

is it relevant who S murdered? a stranger? a riend? family member? colleague?

was sarita suspected? questioned? imprisoned? tried?

did the cat somehow implicate someone else as a murderer? provide an alibi? stop S getting caught?

was anyone else aware a murder had taken place? was it made to look like natural causes? suicide? an accident?

relevant where the murder took place? indoors? outdoors? in a public building? a private dwelling? in a hospital?

relevant which country? US?

euthanasia involved? 'mercy' killing? war? terrorism?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 8:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it actual murder of a human being?
did she get away meaning:
the murder was never discovered?
she was never suspected to be involved?
she was never successfully prosecuted?

did the cat remove evidence? did it also aid her in committing the murder?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 9:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Fred Z (Dref) on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 10:07 pm:


Did the cat talk? no

Sarita = human? yes

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 10:18 pm:


are any of these relevant about the cat?
colour? no breed? no size? yes gender? no location? yes feeding habits? no grooming habits? no its agility no its claws? no
its fur? no the sounds it made? no its ability to see in dim light? no who it belonged to?yes

is the motive for the murder relevant? money? theft? revenge? romantic entanglement?

is the means of murder relevant? stabbing? shooting? strangling? drowning? poisoning?
taking out onto the ice in a sled and leaving?

is it relevant who S murdered? a stranger? a riend? family member? colleague?

was sarita suspected? questioned? imprisoned? tried?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 9:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the motive for the murder relevant? no money? theft? revenge? romantic entanglement?

is the means of murder relevant? some are precluded stabbing? possibly shooting? possibly strangling? possibly drowning? possibly poisoning? possibly
taking out onto the ice in a sled and leaving? possibly

is it relevant who S murdered? no a stranger? a riend? family member? colleague?

was sarita suspected? yes questioned? yes imprisoned? no tried? no
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 10:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't forget Dryman's questions above...
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 10:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And you missed out some of mine too :(


was it a domestic cat? a big cat?

did it belong to her? to the murder victim?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 11:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

id the cat somehow implicate someone else as a murderer? no provide an alibi? yes stop S getting
caught? yes

was anyone else aware a murder had taken place? yes was it made to look like natural causes? no
suicide? no an accident? no

relevant where the murder took place? yes indoors? outdoors? in a public building? a private
dwelling? in a hospital? could be any of these

relevant which country? yes US? possibly

euthanasia involved? no 'mercy' killing? no war? noterrorism? no

By dryman (Dryman) on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 08:09 pm:


was it actual murder of a human being? yes
did she get away meaning:
the murder was never discovered? no
she was never suspected to be involved? no
she was never successfully prosecuted? yes

did the cat remove evidence? yope did it also aid her in committing the murder? yes
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 11:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't forget Dryman's questions above... Rectified, with my apologies. I cast me never to be so wicked again.

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 10:14 pm:


And you missed out some of mine too ditto


was it a domestic cat? yes a big cat? A normal-size domestic cat

did it belong to her? yes to the murder victim? no
Chuck Raby (Wildcard)
Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 7:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the cat eat some key evidence?
Did the cat hide any evidence? Carry it away? Somehow make the evidence no longer useful?
john e. littleton (Juggler54)
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the cat identify S as the murderer?

Did the cat change appearance in anyway?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 6:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Chuck Raby (Wildcard) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 07:45 pm:


Did the cat eat some key evidence? no
Did the cat hide any evidence?yesish Carry it away? yesish Somehow make the evidence no longer useful? yesish

By john e. littleton (Juggler54) on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 09:54 pm:


Did the cat identify S as the murderer? no

Did the cat change appearance in anyway?yope
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 6:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would this puzzle work if instead of a cat, it was a dog?
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 8:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the cat eat the evidence?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 06:46 pm:


Would this puzzle work if instead of a cat, it was a dog? Yes. But cats are ever so much nicer. . .

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 08:09 pm:


did the cat eat the evidence? no
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 6:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did she intentionally involve the cat in her plan?
did she train the cat to perform a certain action, or was its presence enough?
was Sarita physically present when the murder occurred? was the cat? did S and/or the cat physically contact the victim?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By dryman (Dryman) on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 06:12 pm:


did she intentionally involve the cat in her plan? yes
did she train the cat to perform a certain action, or was its presence enough? the latter
was Sarita physically present nowhen the murder occurred? yes was the cat? did S and/or the cat
physically contact the victim? no
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 12:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the cat in Sarita's house when the murder occured? Was Sarita?
Did Sarita construct, with the help of the cat, some evidence that she was at home during the time when the murder occured? that she was not at the victim's place? that she never met the victim?
Did the police have some evidence against Sarita? which was later invalidated by the cat?
Did the cat play an active role in the murder (except for providing Sarita with an alibi)?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To be clear - the cat is present when the murder occurs, and Sarita is not, though the manner of death could be stabbing, shooting, poisoning, etc.?

Was the cat itself the evidence? The murder weapon? Are allergies relevant?
Did the victim commit suicide? Were there any other humans involved besides S. and the victim? Was the murder carried out by human hands?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 6:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jens Weber (Sundowner) on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 12:02 pm:


Was the cat in Sarita's house when the murder occured? yes Was Sarita? no
Did Sarita construct, with the help of the cat, some evidence that she was at home during the
time when the murder occured? yes that she was not at the victim's place? yes that she never met the
victim? no
Did the police have some evidence against Sarita? yes which was later invalidated by the cat? yope
Did the cat play an active role in the murder (except for providing Sarita with an alibi)? noish

By (Stuccosalt) on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 05:00 pm:


To be clear - the cat is present when the murder occurs, and Sarita is not, though the manner
of death could be stabbing, shooting, poisoning, etc.? See above. The cat is at home. Sarita is at the scene of the crime

Was the cat itself the evidence? no The murder weapon? no Are allergies relevant? no
Did the victim commit suicide? no Were there any other humans involved besides S. and the
victim?noish Was the murder carried out by human hands? yes
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 8:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the relevant thing about the manner of death that the murderer had to be physically present to commit the murder?

Is the distance between S's home and the scene of the crime relevant?

Does S live in a freestanding house? an apartment building? some other type of building? Does she share her home with any other humans? any non-human animals other than the cat?

Could S's neighbours hear and/or see that the cat was in S's home at the time of the crime?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 08:33 pm:


Is the relevant thing about the manner of death that the murderer had to be physically
present to commit the murder? yes

Is the distance between S's home and the scene of the crime relevant?yes}

Does S live in a freestanding house? irrel an apartment building? ditto some other type of building? ditto
Does she share her home with any other humans?irrel any non-human animals other than the
cat? irrel

Could S's neighbours hear and/or see that the cat was in S's home at the time of the crime? irrel
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 11:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are S's home and the crime scene in the same country? the same town? Are they more than 50 miles apart? more than 500 miles apart?

Is the idea that S would not have had time to travel from her home to the crime scene and back? because she had to take care of the cat? because of something else about the cat?

Did S have access to a mode of transportation that the police did not know about?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 6:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 11:11 am:


Are S's home and the crime scene in the same country? yes the same town?probably Are they more than
50 miles apart?unlikely more than 500 miles apart?no

Is the idea that S would not have had time to travel from her home to the crime scene and
back?no because she had to take care of the cat? no because of something else about the cat? no

Did S have access to a mode of transportation that the police did not know about? no
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so sarita commits a murder and is suspected of it? but gets away with it because somehow her cat is involved in removing/getting rid of/destroying evidence?

is there some tangible object which is part of or all of the evidence?

if so, does sarita bring it back to her house after the murder? is it there before the murder? does it stay at sarita's house?

you say the cat sort of changes appearance.. does it get bigger? smaller? wetter? drier? does it lose any part of its fur? or claws? does it change appearance because of its mental state? for instance change its body posture?
is the mental state of the cat relevant? does it get angry at some point? frightened?

does the cat do something which indicates that sarita has been at her house all day? or for the period of time the murder happens?

is food involved? cat food? is a clock or watch involved? a cat flap? a litter tray? a veternary surgeon?

does sarita pre-arrange for the cat to be the alibi? or to get rid of the evidence?

is it relevant whether the cat is the type of pet which stays in the house all the time or the type that is let outside?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 10:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 09:21 pm:


so sarita commits a murder and is suspected of it? yes but gets away with it because somehow
her cat is involved in removing/getting rid of/destroying evidence? yes

is there some tangible object which is part of or all of the evidence? yes

if so, does sarita bring it back to her house after the murder? no is it there before the murder? yes
does it stay at sarita's house? yes

you say the cat sort of changes appearance.. does it get bigger? smaller? wetter? drier? does
it lose any part of its fur? or claws? does it change appearance because of its mental state?
for instance change its body posture?
is the mental state of the cat relevant? does it get angry at some point? frightened? no to all in this group

does the cat do something which indicates that sarita has been at her house all day? yesish or for
the period of time the murder happens? yesish

is food involved? no cat food? no is a clock or watch involved? no a cat flap? no a litter tray? no a veternary
surgeon? no

does sarita pre-arrange for the cat to be the alibi?no or to get rid of the evidence?yes

is it relevant whether the cat is the type of pet which stays in the house? yes
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 10:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the cat somehow remove fingerprints? or footprints?
Did the evidence, subsequent to the cat's modification of it, suggest that S had never left her house during the time that the murder was committed? had never left the vicinity of her house, but might have gone outside?

Is it relevant what mode of transportation S used to get from her house to the scene of the murder? Did the cat destroy evidence that S had used this mode of transport?

Is an alarm of some sort relevant? Was S under house arrest? Was she supposed to remain inside her house? on her property?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 10:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 10:41 pm:


Did the cat somehow remove fingerprints? no or footprints? no
Did the evidence, subsequent to the cat's modification of it, suggest that S had never left her
house during the time that the murder was committed? yes had never left the vicinity of her
house, but might have gone outside? no

Is it relevant what mode of transportation S used to get from her house to the scene of the
murder? noish Did the cat destroy evidence that S had used this mode of transport? no

Is an alarm of some sort relevant? see next answer} Was S under house arrest? yes Was she supposed to remain
inside her house? yes on her property? see previous answer
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 10:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was she tagged electronically? did the cat somehow make it appear that she was at home?

to achieve the effect did the cat have to move? trip some kind of circuit or alarm?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 9:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 10:35 pm:


was she tagged electronically? yes did the cat somehow make it appear that she was at home? yes

to achieve the effect did the cat have to move? no trip some kind of circuit or alarm? no
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 8:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did S. remove the electronic device at any point? Did it stay at home while she was out a-murderin?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 9:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By (Stuccosalt) on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 08:00 pm:


Did S. remove the electronic device at any point? yes Did it stay at home while she was out
a-murderin? yes
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 1:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she attach/connect/feed the device to the cat? Did this make it appear as though she was still in her apartment?

I believe those things send out some sort of alarm or signal if removed - is that not the case here? Or did S. find a way around that which we need to discover?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 9:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By (Stuccosalt) on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 01:06 pm:


Did she attach yes/connect yes/feed no the device to the cat?| Did this make it appear as though she was
still in her apartment? yes

I believe those things send out some sort of alarm or signal if removed - is that not the case
here? Or did S. find a way around that which we need to discover? see above

********** SPOILER ************ Sarita is under house arrest & is so far from mending her ways that she commits a murder (at a location outsiderher house). She establishes an alibi by attaching her alarm device to her cat, who nwver goes outside. So as the cat moves about Sarita's house, the device registers that Sarita is still there. Guess what--it's from "Law & Order." Sorry it was so esay, & please check out my harder one at the bottom of the page.

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