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Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 12:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LDM's relation to Marmaduke:

friend turned enemy?
enemy from the start?
rivals?
in business? in love? in sports?
family?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 1:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LDM's relation to Marmaduke:

friend turned enemy? this
enemy from the start?
rivals?
in business? in love? in sports?
family?
Batman (Ashusharma)
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 5:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did LDM commit suicide? Murder? Natural death?
Is how LDM died relevant?
Is LDM's age relevant? Marmaduke's?
Did LDM and Marmaduke die at the same spot? Were the two spots nearby? Within a few feet of each other? Miles? Very far apart? Is this relevant?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 11:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did LDM commit suicide? this Murder? Natural death?
Is how LDM died relevant? no
Is LDM's age relevant? no Marmaduke's? no
Did LDM and Marmaduke die at the same spot? noWere the two spots nearby? yes Within a few feet of each other? yes Miles? Very far apart? Is this relevant? somewhat, but tangentially at that
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 12:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did LDM commit suicide because he had failed in his attempt to kill Marmaduke? Is this relevant?

Did LDM's death directly influence events that led to Marmaduke's death?

Did Marmaduke die in exactly the same way that LDM originally intended to?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 12:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did LDM commit suicide because he had failed in his attempt to kill Marmaduke? yes Is this relevant? yes, but now you have the relevant info for it

Did LDM's death directly influence events that led to Marmaduke's death? no

Did Marmaduke die in exactly the same way that LDM originally intended to? pretty much, yes
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 8:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did LDM shoot at Marmaduke while LDM was alive? Did the bullet hit Marmaduke?
Was Marmaduke hit by a bullet long after LDM died? did it come from a gun? the same gun that LDM had used? Was the trigger pulled? by a person? LDM? part of a tree?
Did Marmaduke eventually die of an injury he sustained in the first shooting?
Both these guys are human aren't they?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 8:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did LDM shoot at Marmaduke while LDM was alive? yes Did the bullet hit Marmaduke? no
Was Marmaduke hit by a bullet long after LDM died? yes did it come from a gun? yes the same gun that LDM had used? yes Was the trigger pulled? no by a person? LDM? part of a tree?
Did Marmaduke eventually die of an injury he sustained in the first shooting? no
Both these guys are human aren't they? yes, indeedy
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 8:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the gun go off because of some malfunction?
or did Marmaduke accidentally set it off himself somehow?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 9:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

neither, and I just noticed there is a FA here...
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 10:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I suspected as much, but I have no idea what it is :(
The bullet that killed Marmaduke: did it come out of the gun? through the barrel? quickly? shortly before it hit Marmaduke? Did it travel less than a hundred metres? more?
The bullet that missed Marmaduke: it was a different bullet?
Is this all happening on Earth? or is the bullet in orbit?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 10:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I suspected as much, but I have no idea what it is Keep going, you seem to have it, methinks...
The bullet that killed Marmaduke: did it come out of the gun? yes through the barrel? yes quickly? yes shortly before it hit Marmaduke? NO Did it travel less than a hundred metres? yes more?
The bullet that missed Marmaduke: it was a different bullet? NO
Is this all happening on Earth? yes or is the bullet in orbit?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 10:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the only relevant objects present the bits of wood and the body of Marmaduke? Is there something else there?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 10:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ooookay then.
So LDM shoots at Marmaduke, misses, and kills himself, and then years later the same bullet finally hits Marmaduke and kills him?

Was the bullet in motion through all those years? or did it stop, and then start moving again? was it moving at normal bullet-speed when it hit Marmaduke?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 1:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 10:23 pm:

Are the only relevant objects present the bits of wood and the body of Marmaduke? yes Is there something else there? no

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 10:30 pm:

Ooookay then.
So LDM shoots at Marmaduke, misses, and kills himself, and then years later the same bullet finally hits Marmaduke and kills him? you got it, screwy, ain't it?

Was the bullet in motion through all those years? no or did it stop, and then start moving again? yes was it moving at normal bullet-speed when it hit Marmaduke? possibly, but irrel, it was moving enough to kill him
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 5:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it at least kill him in the usual bullet way? or did he choke on it or something?
Anything special about the bullet itself? Made of silver?
When it missed initially, did it hit a tree?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 7:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the bullet penetrate his body?
Has the bullet been static for many years?
Did Marmaduke somehow reactivate the bullets motion?
Someone else reactivate it?
Was it reactivated by some chemical / physical occurrence?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it at least kill him in the usual bullet way? yessish or did he choke on it or something? no
Anything special about the bullet itself? noMade of silver?
When it missed initially, did it hit a tree? yes
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the bullet penetrate his body? yes
Has the bullet been static for many years? yes
Did Marmaduke somehow reactivate the bullets motion? yes
Someone else reactivate it?
Was it reactivated by some chemical / physical occurrence? yes
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Marmaduke do something to the tree that caused the bullet to suddenly pop out? such as cutting it down?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 8:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh ...

When LDM tried to shoot Marmaduke, the bullet missed and thudded into an tree trunk.
Many years later, Marmaduke went to cut the tree down and struck the bullet with a metal axe/saw and ignited the bullet which fired out of the tree (splinters flying everywhere) and into Marmaduke thus killing him?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That was John's idea - I was just elaborating
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 9:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Marmaduke do something to the tree that caused the bullet to suddenly pop out? yes such as cutting it down? but not this

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 08:58 pm:

Oh ...

When LDM tried to shoot Marmaduke, the bullet missed and thudded into an tree trunk. correct
Many years later, Marmaduke went to cut the tree down and struck the bullet with a metal axe/saw and ignited the bullet which fired out of the tree (splinters flying everywhere) and into Marmaduke thus killing him? no

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 08:59 pm:

That was John's idea - I was just elaborating Gotcha. Neither of you have what he did to the tree yet, though. ;)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 9:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying to climb the tree and his metal studded boot struck the bullet?

Was he boring a hole into the tree?

Was the bullet embedded far in the tree i.e. he he have to penetrate the tree?

Was Marmaduke really a giant woodpecker in disguise?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 9:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Marmaduke set fire to the tree?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 11:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying to climb the tree and his metal studded boot struck the bullet? no

Was he boring a hole into the tree? no

Was the bullet embedded far in the tree i.e. he he have to penetrate the tree? yes

Was Marmaduke really a giant woodpecker in disguise? no, and he had no skateboard either

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 09:34 pm:

Did Marmaduke set fire to the tree? noish
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 12:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, then, did something set the tree on fire? lightning? runaway campfire? forest fire?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 12:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the tree struck by lightening?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 7:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

no to all, sorry
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 8:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he blow the tree up? Try to?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 6:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he intend to set fire to the tree? to its branches? Did he somehow remove branches from the tree?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he blow the tree up? YES, care to put it all together? Try to?

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 06:56 pm:

Did he intend to set fire to the tree? noish to its branches? noish Did he somehow remove branches from the tree? yes, although that was not the main intent
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 11:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***** SPOILER *****

In 1893 Henry Ziegland jilted his sweetheart, who then committed suicide. Her brother went to take revenge on Ziegland by shooting him. However, the bullet only grazed his head and buried itself in a tree. The brother, who thought he had killed Ziegland, then committed suicide himself. In 1913, Ziegland was cutting down the tree with the bullet in it. He was having a hard time with the job, so used dynamite, and the explosion sent the old bullet through Ziegland's head and killed him.

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