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Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 5:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he have a heart attack? some other sudden deterioration in health?, then realizing he would not survive, he found a way to kill himself quickly rather than die a slow agonizing death? no

hpypothermia ? yope
Tony (E20)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 2:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he enter the freezer deliberately to avoid some other perceived danger?

Did the freezer have its own emergency power supply?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 4:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he enter the freezer deliberately to avoid some other perceived danger? no

Did the freezer have its own emergency power supply? no
Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 10:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he run about to keep warm, in doing so he sweated, when stopped, the sweat froze, and so frozen him to death?

If he had sat still would he have stayed alive?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 1:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did we determine that this was a meat locker?
Wild shot - could this be a cryogenic chamber type thing that he put himself in? Did he freeze himself intentionally?
Annelies Horckmans (Annls)
Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 12:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He froze to death...

The blackout opened the freezer door, but then it was already too late... so he tried to escape but doing this he froze to death, and later the door unlocked because of the blackout?

The way he tried to escape is important? Did he actually try to escape?

As a result he passed out and so he froze to death?

He started yelling as loud as he could, he ran out of air, passed out and froze to death?

He tried to hold his breath as long as he could, passed out and froze to death?

He started shouting and banging against the door, tired himself up, couldn't catch enough breath because of the cold, passed out and froze to death?

Is the meat in the meat locker relevant? If it is not meat: is what's inside the freezer relevant?

He tried to bang the door in with a piece of cow or something, but instead he banged his head, passed out and froze to death?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 4:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he run about to keep warm, in doing so he sweated, when stopped, the sweat froze, and so frozen him to death? no

If he had sat still would he have stayed alive? possibly

Did we determine that this was a meat locker? it was either that or a freezer, either would work
Wild shot - could this be a cryogenic chamber type thing that he put himself in? nice idea, but no Did he freeze himself intentionally? Yope

He froze to death... {correct. What we are missing here is how he could freeze to death if the refrigerator was off, due to a blackout.}

The blackout opened the freezer door, but then it was already too late... so he tried to escape but doing this he froze to death, and later the door unlocked because of the blackout? no

The way he tried to escape is important? Did he actually try to escape? NO

As a result he passed out and so he froze to death?
something is still missing though

He started yelling as loud as he could, he ran out of air, passed out and froze to death? no

He tried to hold his breath as long as he could, passed out and froze to death? no

He started shouting and banging against the door, tired himself up, couldn't catch enough breath because of the cold, passed out and froze to death? no
Is the meat in the meat locker relevant? If it is not meat: is what's inside the freezer relevant?
no
He tried to bang the door in with a piece of cow or something, but instead he banged his head, passed out and froze to death? no

This one is very nearly finished, and has been for some time. What is missing is the lateral jump: "How could he have frozen if the device is switched off?"
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 4:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the freezer full of dry ice? So that when the power went off, the refrigerators that were keeping it frozen went off, it began to sublimate, chilling the air, and also raising the CO level, so it became simply a question of whether he froze before he asphixiated or the other way around?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 6:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the temperature outside the freezer actually colder than inside, so that when the power failed, it still was cold enough for him to freeze?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 2:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the freezer full of dry ice? So that when the power went off, the refrigerators that were keeping it frozen went off, it began to sublimate, chilling the air, and also raising the CO level, so it became simply a question of whether he froze before he asphixiated or the other way around? I like it, but unfortunately no

was the temperature outside the freezer actually colder than inside, so that when the power failed, it still was cold enough for him to freeze? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 3:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, well. It was worth a try...
Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 8:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If he had done nothing would he have frozen?

By doing something he froze?

If we find out the thing he did that caused him to freeze would we have solved the puzzle?

Did the something produce something that froze him? Was it the action itself that froze him?
Annelies Horckmans (Annls)
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 12:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he take his clothes off? and wrapped himself up in frozen goods?

Does he have some sort of fetisj?

Did he cut or just hurt himself?

Him freezing to death, his 'fault' or the freezer's 'fault'? Is it because he did something or because the freezer wasn't defrosting?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 2:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If he had done nothing would he have frozen? If he did nothing he would be frozen :) but no

By doing something he froze? yessish

If we find out the thing he did that caused him to freeze would we have solved the puzzle? yes

Did the something produce something that froze him? no Was it the action itself that froze him? yes

Did he take his clothes off? and wrapped himself up in frozen goods? no

Does he have some sort of fetisj? don't know what a fetisj is but, cooincidently, he had no fetishes either. Just in case you were wondering... :)

Did he cut or just hurt himself? possibly but irrelevent

Him freezing to death, his 'fault' this or the freezer's 'fault'? Is it because he did something this or because the freezer wasn't defrosting?
Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 8:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We are after an the action that froze him? From now on this shall be call the Action

Was it (the Action) something that would be considered "normal" behaviour if you were in a cold environment?

Was it something that requires special training?

Was it a bodily function?

Was it a physical activity - ie would raise his heart rate?

Did it require him to interactive with the freezer?

Did it use up a lot of energy?

Going back to the beginning - was he appropriately attired to be in a freezer? IE was he warmly dressed?
Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 9:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he die from oxygen starvation - with the method not yet discovered?
Annelies Horckmans (Annls)
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 11:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

a fetisj is a sexual 'disorder' where people get turned on by stuff that got nothing to do with 'the seksual' f.e.people who get turned on by worn jeans, leather, frozen peaces of meat....
so now you know

he tried to turn the freezer off, instead he put the safety power supply on, so when the power was cut off, the freezer kept on working and he froze to death?

or he deliberately put the safety power on, because he thought it would be less cold but it was still cold enough for him to freeze?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 1:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We are after an the action that froze him? yes From now on this shall be call the Action ok

Was it (the Action) something that would be considered "normal" behaviour if you were in a cold environment? yes

Was it something that requires special training? no

Was it a bodily function? not quite

Was it a physical activity - ie would raise his heart rate? YES

Did it require him to interactive with the freezer? probably

Did it use up a lot of energy? usually - in this case yes

Going back to the beginning - was he appropriately attired to be in a freezer? IE was he warmly dressed? probably, but unimportant

Did he die from oxygen starvation - with the method not yet discovered? no

a fetisj is a sexual 'disorder' where people get turned on by stuff that got nothing to do with 'the seksual' f.e.people who get turned on by worn jeans, leather, frozen peaces of meat....
so now you know Thankyou. I shall promptly add it to my lexicon :)... no he didn't have one of those either :)

he tried to turn the freezer off, instead he put the safety power supply on, so when the power was cut off, the freezer kept on working and he froze to death? no

or he deliberately put the safety power on, because he thought it would be less cold but it was still cold enough for him to freeze? no
Annelies Horckmans (Annls)
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 2:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he ran, jumped, worked out, shout?

Did the freezer fail to switch off because of the Action? Or did the Action fastened his dying/freezing proces?
Christopher Anderson (Cazo97)
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 3:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the 'locking himself in' have to do with the power outage?

Could he have escaped when the power went out? Would the freezer lock be deactivated?

Did his use of energy cause him to fall asleep?

Would he have been discovered in a significant pose or expression?
Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 3:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the action
....something specifically designed to make you warm?
....makes you warm as beneficial side effect?
....considered a risky way of keeping warm? Only attempted by the insane? Very risky? Risky? Mildly Risky? Risk neutral (that one is taken from finance planning!!!)? No Risk?
....normally carried out alone?
....normally performed by 2 people?
....something that can be viewed on TV? Non Adult channels?
....high impact/short endurance eg sprinting?
....low impact/long endurance eg jogging? (I hope you figure out what I mean by that)
....performed within 1 minutes?
....performed within 5 minutes?
....performed within 15 minutes?
....performed within 30 minutes?
....performed within 60 minutes?
....exercise of some sort?
....consumption or intaking of a stimulant? I ask this because the taking of certain stimulants can raise the heart rate - eg a cup of coffee - although logistics in a freezer may prove too much for this problem.

So to recap - if he had done nothing he would have survived but because he did something (which raised his heart rate AND the majority of people would do if trapped in a freezer) then he died.

Did the action leave him a position where he was unable to keep warm?
Christopher Anderson (Cazo97)
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 3:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he hit his head? Due to panic? trying to escape? causing him to get knocked out? was what he hit his head on significant in itself? to unlocking the freezer? to turning the freezer back on? related to the blackout?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 3:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he ran, jumped, worked out, shout? probably all three

Did the freezer fail to switch off because of the Action? Or did the Action fastened his dying/freezing proces? this

Did the 'locking himself in' have to do with the power outage? it could've but is irrelevent

Could he have escaped when the power went out? no Would the freezer lock be deactivated? no

Did his use of energy cause him to fall asleep? yessish

Would he have been discovered in a significant pose or expression? no

Is the action
....something specifically designed to make you warm? no
....makes you warm as beneficial side effect? yes, but be careful
....considered a risky way of keeping warm? it could be Only attempted by the insane? this for svv of "insane" Very risky? Risky? Mildly Risky? Risk neutral (that one is taken from finance planning!!!)? No Risk?
....normally carried out alone? this...
....normally performed by 2 people? and this...
....something that can be viewed on TV? possibly Non Adult channels? I would think so...
....high impact/short endurance eg sprinting? {more this than the next}
....low impact/long endurance eg jogging? (I hope you figure out what I mean by that)
....performed within 1 minutes?
....performed within 5 minutes?
....performed within 15 minutes?
....performed within 30 minutes?
....performed within 60 minutes? all could be valid times, but most likely for about 5 minutes every 30 or so
....exercise of some sort? no
....consumption or intaking of a stimulant? no I ask this because the taking of certain stimulants can raise the heart rate - eg a cup of coffee - although logistics in a freezer may prove too much for this problem.

So to recap - if he had done nothing he would have survived but because he did something (which raised his heart rate AND the majority of people would do if trapped in a freezer) then he died. that is true

Did the action leave him a position where he was unable to keep warm? probably, but unimportant


Did he hit his head? possibly Due to panic? YES trying to escape? yes causing him to get knocked out? NO was what he hit his head on significant in itself? no to unlocking the freezer? FA to turning the freezer back on? FA related to the blackout? no
Hint: Remember the puzzle declaration: OH does not realise that there is a blackout...
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 3:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmm possible Blooper: so here is
Another Hint - possible FA clarification: The Action is not the direct cause of his death, The puzzle statement recognises this...
Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 6:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If it was possible to determine the point at which he froze to death, was he:
.....awake?
.....asleep?
.....conscious?
.....unconscious?
.....compus mentus?
.....hysterical?

was the action directly involved with trying to escape?

Did it (the action) involve:
....walls?
....ceiling?
....floor?
....door?
....any other part of the freezer that is relevant that we have not mentioned?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 7:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If it was possible to determine the point at which he froze to death, was he:
.....awake? to avoid FAs this is closest
.....asleep?
.....conscious?
.....unconscious? depends on how long a point is, he probably was this at the point of death...
.....compus mentis? NO
.....hysterical? but not really this

was the action directly involved with trying to escape? Yes

Did it (the action) involve:
....walls?
....ceiling?
....floor?
....door? all four are possible and likely
....any other part of the freezer that is relevant that we have not mentioned? no
Christopher Anderson (Cazo97)
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 5:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is "he" human?

Was there another threat to him other than the temperature?

Do the dimensions of the freezer come into play/significant?

Did the freezer's contents effect his death?

Was he used to going into the freezer?

So he goes into the freezer (walk-in size freezer?)... checking something? as a reaction to something? or is it a pre-determined event? The freezer locks (were the lights on/off? does it matter?) and he is conciously aware that the freezer is locked? Starts to panic and... flip out for five minute intervals without much of a plan? or perform a (thought-out?) task for five minutes at a time, every half hour or so. Is this action to avoid death from a seperate threat other than freezing or is it to avoid freezing? This action however, quickens the freezing process... because of sweat? because of what is happening inside his body? or outside? and he dies before the power goes off/the blackout.
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 2:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

s "he" human? that he is

Was there another threat to him other than the temperature? yope

Do the dimensions of the freezer come into play/significant? no

Did the freezer's contents effect his death? no

Was he used to going into the freezer? interesting question - Not quite

So he goes into the freezer (walk-in size freezer?)... checking something? as a reaction to something? or is it a pre-determined event? this The freezer locks correct (were the lights on/off? assume off does it matter?) and he is conciously aware that the freezer is locked? correct Starts to panic yes and... flip out for five minute intervals without much of a plan? that's it or perform a (thought-out?) task for five minutes at a time, every half hour or so. Is this action to avoid death from a seperate threat other than freezing or is it to avoid freezing? This action however, quickens the freezing process... in a way because of sweat? this is probably true too but... because of what is happening inside his body? more this or outside? and he dies before the power goes off/the blackout. NO
Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 9:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the action causes something to happen in his body that quickens the freezing process?

If he didnt do it (the action) then we would have survived?

It (the action) is something that most people would do if they were trapped in a locked and dark freezer?

Did he use a tool to perform the action?
a lighter?
or just his hands? just his body? a specific body part? his head (physical use of head as we have already established he has gone a bit nuts)?
Is he claustrophobic?
Does he normally stop the freezer from locking?
Did he inhale anything other then air that effected him?
Annelies (Annls)
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 3:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

looks like last week vanished...

so i'll ask my question again...

The freezer started defrosting because of the blackout, so he couldn't have actually frozen to death?

Is this like something like the phenonomen that women who REALLY want to have a baby, convince their body that they are and so they get all the symptoms of being pregnant but they aren't? Does he do the same with freezing to death, convincing his body that he his? (is this even possible?)
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 2:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The freezer started defrosting because of the blackout, so he couldn't have actually frozen to death? correct

Is this like something like the phenonomen that women who REALLY want to have a baby, convince their body that they are and so they get all the symptoms of being pregnant but they aren't? Does he do the same with freezing to death, convincing his body that he his? (is this even possible?) That's it! Well done Annelies!

* * * * * * * * SPOILER * * * * * * * *
Our Hero used to work in an ice factory until recently had been made redundant. Seeking a job, he landed himself packing fruit at an orchard in Northern Victoria during the summer. It had been a bountiful season, and there had been much fruit to be box every day, and so Our Hero found himself still working at 8pm most evenings. One evening, near the end of the shift, a great storm could be seen coming across the Mallee. The packers decided to call it an early night, however Our Hero elected to remain a little longer to shift the remaining packed boxes into the cool room over the night.

Just as he was finishing shifting the boxes, the storm hit the packing shed. A freak gust of wind ripped through the open shed door and closed the fridge door with a slam, and by pure coincidence, blew the locking loop over the bar, trapping Our Hero inside.

OH felt panic rising. He ran over to the door and tried to fet out, but to no avail. The door wouldn't move. His panic grew as he became desperate to escape what he believed to be his icy tomb. He became wild; hitting the door, cursing, crying, and eventually, exhausted, he slumped down and began to despair...

Meanwhile, the storm had passed over as quickly as it came, moving towards the road. However, during its brief pass over the shed, lightning had struck the High Voltage power lines near the shed, causing a blackout across the orchard. It also blacked out the freezer where Our Hero was trapped. This freezer had been at the orchard for the last 30 years or so, and was in fact quite badly insulated. Therefore, the freezer began to defrost immediately (It was still a hot summer's evening)

OH's despair increased: he had trapped himself in his own mind and his despair was feeding off his own imagination and painful memories. He could here the storm overhead, and had imagined that the rain had bogged up the dirt road to the orchard. He began to beilieve that he wouldn't be discovered for at least another day. He remebered his time in the Ice Works: the cold of the freezers there, their topography not much different to the environment he found himself in now. He felt colder. He remembered losing his job, and how he felt. This was similar - the storm must've destroyed the farm. He felt anger rising in him again, and with another burst of passion he attacked the freezer that had snared him. It was futile, and he noticed this, and this sent him spiralling down further than before. All he could notice was that he was still trapped in the freezer. Every half an hour or so, he'd feel the anger rising, but his attempts grew less and less as the night wore on.
About 4 o clock the next morning, he gave up. He imagined himself already dead, and he had nothing to go on. His belief that he was freezing to death became a reality and he died.

At half past seven, the packers returned to find spoiled fruit strewn all over the freezer, some thawed fruit in boxes, and one frozen man...


I found this story a long time ago as an example of Mind over Matter in the negative sense. However, as the many puzzlers in this puzzle have discovered, his death was probably due more to his panic attacks raising then shattering his body temperature, rather than his belief that he was already dead. Even so, his belief that he was going to die led him to pursue this action, rather than what he would have done, had he realised that the freezer was off and defrosting.
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 3:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In case you were wondering, the title is in relevance to a Daria episode Road Worrier. A line in this episode goes:
I'm going on a picnic and I'm bringing: Asbestos Insulation, Brine Shrimp, The Cryogenically Frozen Head of Walt Diseny and ... a dromadary

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