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Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 1:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think it was established, that your colleagues does not enter the house where he places the note, yes?

But does he at any point after dropping the note in the letterbox, establish himself on the property associated with the house?

If so, is there something he wishes to see, and this particular street is a particularly good vantage point? If OTRT, does this event happen approximately once per week?
Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt)
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 6:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Larry Troxler (Quackscience) on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 01:14 am:

So, your colleague has communicated with some person who travels through this street. However, it seems from your replies, that someone else besides your collegaue could just as well fill your role...

So, if someone else, for example, you, were to undertake this same role, would you also have been in communication with the person whose role is the same as the one who travels through the
street? probably, yes

Indeed, would it be the same person? yes
Is this person
a government official? yes
A personal friend? no

I think it was established, that your colleagues does not enter the house where he places the note, yes? yes

But does he at any point after dropping the note in the letterbox, establish himself on the property associated with the house? no

If so, is there something he wishes to see, and this particular street is a particularly good vantage point? no If OTRT, does this event happen approximately once per week? yes :)

I'll be back on thursday evening (forum time).
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 12:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The other person - bin man? postman? milkman? some sort of delivery person?
Someone who might look at people's letter boxes in the normal course of their work?
Does your colleague actually make appointments with the man who looks at the letters?
And if he can't make them, he sends a cancellation by this somewhat bizarre means?
Tony (E20)
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 1:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the "other person" take some action as a result of seeing the message in the letterbox?
Do they remove the message?
Do they post another message?

You said our hero "maybe" returns to the house later in the day?
Does this depend on :
a communication from the other person involved?
an action of the other person invovled?
an action of the home owner?
a communication from the home owner?
the weather?
some other particular trigger?
Approximately what proportion of the message-leavings result in a return visit?

If he returns, does he undertake some further action with respect to the house where the message was left?
Does he remove the message?
Does he post another message?

There is some potential for material gain from this enterprise?
Does this gain arise from the recipients of the messages?
From the other person?
Is it a direct financial gain?
Or does it arise by saving money that would otherwise have been spent?
Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt)
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 5:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Faben (Bentarm) on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 12:51 pm:

The other person - bin man? postman? milkman? some sort of delivery person? no
Someone who might look at people's letter boxes in the normal course of their work? no
Does your colleague actually make appointments with the man who looks at the letters? no
And if he can't make them, he sends a cancellation by this somewhat bizarre means? no

By Tony (E20) on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 01:23 pm:

Does the "other person" take some action as a result of seeing the message in the letterbox? yope
Do they remove the message? no
Do they post another message? no

You said our hero "maybe" returns to the house later in the day? YES!
Does this depend on :
a communication from the other person involved? yes
an action of the other person invovled? yes
an action of the home owner? no
a communication from the home owner? no
the weather? no
some other particular trigger? no
Approximately what proportion of the message-leavings result in a return visit? until now? zero per cent :) But it could well be.

If he returns, does he undertake some further action with respect to the house where the message was left? only ...
Does he remove the message? ... this !
Does he post another message? no

There is some potential for material gain from this enterprise? yope.
Does this gain arise from the recipients of the messages? no
From the other person? yes
Is it a direct financial gain? no
Or does it arise by saving money that would otherwise have been spent? yes! (Therefore the "yopes" above.)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 7:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he having an affair?
Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt)
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 7:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he having an affair? I am sorry to say that this story includes no romance whatsoever
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 7:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the particular content of the messages (that of canceling a meeting) important to this plan?

So the other person is a government official, but not a mail man. Is he a law enforcement official?

Is the government official aware that he is involved in this plan?

The official does not remove the letter, but does he alter it in any way?

Does the official travel this road as part of his official business?

Is the fact that this official travels this road connected with the reason this street is special?
Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 5:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the particular content of the messages (that of canceling a meeting) important to this plan? no

So the other person is a government official, but not a mail man. Is he a law enforcement official? yes

Is the government official aware that he is involved in this plan? no

The official does not remove the letter, but does he alter it in any way? no

Does the official travel this road as part of his official business? yes

Is the fact that this official travels this road connected with the reason this street is special? yes (!)
good progress
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 4:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The law enforcement officer communicates with your colleague, even though they are not friends, and your colleague only signs his first name, correct?

So despite not being friends, the law enforcement officer personally knew your colleague before this scheme started?

Is your colleague attempting to gain access to free postal mail service? (If so, please don't spoil, as it's not clear how this would happen)
Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt)
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 1:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The law enforcement officer communicates with your colleague, even though they are not friends, and your colleague only signs his first name, correct? yope. OK, I'll give this away: If the policeman (!) would communicate with my colleague, the whole thing would end.

So despite not being friends, the law enforcement officer personally knew your colleague before this scheme started? no

Is your colleague attempting to gain access to free postal mail service? no
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 1:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I hope someone else helps out here soon!

Would the plan work no matter who the policeman was, as long as some policeman were patrolling that road?

If your colleage returns to the house later, would the policeman also be there?

Is this plan somehow related to a wanted criminal that this policeman is searching for?
Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt)
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the plan work no matter who the policeman was, as long as some policeman were patrolling that road? yes

If your colleage returns to the house later, would the policeman also be there? yes

Is this plan somehow related to a wanted criminal that this policeman is searching for? not really, no

I'll do a recap tomorrow evening.
Valiko Mizandari (Mimino)
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 4:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the idea that the policeman sees the notes? that he reads them? that he (the cop) is trying to establish the sender? that the cop will try to catch the sender on the act?
Is the content of the notice relevant at all?
Is there a chance that the cop knows or can guess who wrote the notes?
If the cop communicates with your colleague, would this mean that he calls your colleague by phone? sees him at his place/workplace? calls him to the police station? arrests him? waits for him in this street? or would the communication be written?
You mention that the scheme will end when the cop communicates with your colleage. Is it that what your colleague eventually wants? Does the result your colleague wants to achieve require that the policeman communicates with him?
Ostap Bender (Ostap)
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 4:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there something special about the houses in this street? Are they ordinary apartment houses? family homes? houses used for business? partly for business, partly for living? government supported housing?
Is someone selling these houses? Are there plans to rebuild/refurbish/dismantle them?
Does your colleague want to let it appear that he is living in this street? that a friend/girl-friend/relative is living in this street?
Property taxes relevant? free parking?
Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt)
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 9:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Valiko Mizandari (Mimino) on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 04:38 pm:

Is the idea that the policeman sees the notes? yes that he reads them? yes that he (the cop) is trying to establish the sender? no that the cop will try to catch the sender on the act? no
Is the content of the notice relevant at all? not much, no.
Is there a chance that the cop knows or can guess who wrote the notes? YES
If the cop communicates with your colleague, would this mean that he calls your colleague by phone? no sees him at his place/workplace? no calls him to the police station? no arrests him? no waits for him in this street? EXACTLY or would the communication be written? no
You mention that the scheme will end when the cop communicates with your colleage. Is it that what your colleague eventually wants? yope Does the result your colleague wants to achieve require that the policeman communicates with him? hmmm, good thinking... yope. But you are definitely on the right track. Stay on

By Ostap Bender (Ostap) on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 04:44 pm:

Is there something special about the houses in this street? no Are they ordinary apartment houses? family homes? houses used for business? partly for business, partly for living? government supported housing? mostly family homes
Is someone selling these houses? no Are there plans to rebuild/refurbish/dismantle them? no
Does your colleague want to let it appear that he is living in this street? no that a friend/girl-friend/relative is living in this street? YES!!!
Property taxes relevant? no free parking? no, but...

No use for a recap anymore. You might have it with the next few questions.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 10:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there a certain set of circumstances that would cause your friend to leave a different message? If he did leave a different message, would he expect to hear from the policeman?
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 11:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he want to make it appear that a friend/girlfriend/relative is living in the street? Or is there actually such a personliving in the street?
Is it a friend? girlfriend? relative? male? female? relevant?
Has your colleague ever communicated with the police officer before? Does it have to be a particular police officer? Or will any old copper do the job?
Is parking relevant? cars? driving?
Has the police officer ever seen your colleagues notes before? If he did read one, would he be sure to wait for your colleague on the street?
Einar Berg (Grainbeer)
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 12:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the intention of your colleague to pull a trick on his friend/girl-friend/relative? To help him/her? To create difficulties for him/her?
Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt)
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 5:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 10:47 pm:

Is there a certain set of circumstances that would cause your friend to leave a different message? no If he did leave a different message, would he expect to hear from the policeman? as long as he signs: yes

By John Faben (Bentarm) on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 11:35 am:

Does he want to make it appear that a friend/girlfriend/relative is living in the street? yes Or is there actually such a personliving in the street? no
Is it a friend? girlfriend? relative? male? female? relevant? not relevant
Has your colleague ever communicated with the police officer before? no Does it have to be a particular police officer? no Or will any old copper do the job? yes
Is parking relevant? no cars? yes-ish driving? yes
Has the police officer ever seen your colleagues notes before? probably not If he did read one, would he be sure to wait for your colleague on the street? no. If he would read them regularly, he might come up with the whole story. THEN he would wait... :)

By Einar Berg (Grainbeer) on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 12:20 pm:

Is the intention of your colleague to pull a trick on his friend/girl-friend/relative? no To help him/her? no To create difficulties for him/her? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 7:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"If he did leave a different message, would he expect to hear from the policeman? as long as he signs: yes "

Soooo...

Would he expect to hear from the policeman if he didn't sign the note? if he signed it differently?

Going back a ways, is there anyone else relevant to this puzzle besides your friend and the police officer?
Tony (E20)
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 8:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is access to the street restricted in some way? In leaving the notes, is your friend trying to establish a reason for using the street?
Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt)
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 6:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 07:31 pm:

"If he did leave a different message, would he expect to hear from the policeman? as long as he signs: yes "

Soooo...

Would he expect to hear from the policeman if he didn't sign the note? yes, but... if he signed it differently? yes, but...

Going back a ways, is there anyone else relevant to this puzzle besides your friend and the police officer? there are some thousand people near

By Tony (E20) on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 08:17 pm:

Is access to the street restricted in some way? YES!!! In leaving the notes, is your friend trying to establish a reason for using the street? YES!!!
Tony (E20)
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So ... your colleague wishes to use a restricted street as a short cut? In order to provide an excuse for driving down the street, he looks for an empty looking house and leaves a note in the door? Then if he is challenged by a police officer, he can point to the note and pretend he has a legitimate reason for being there?

Is there anything else to find?
Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt)
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 10:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So ... your colleague wishes to use a restricted street as a short cut? yes In order to provide an excuse for driving down the street, he looks for an empty looking house and leaves a note in the door? Then if he is challenged by a police officer, he can point to the note and pretend he has a legitimate reason for being there?

Is there anything else to find? no

***** SPOILER *****

The only public street from my company (Airbus in Hamburg) to the Autobahn is regularly crowded when about 10,000 people are going home in the evening at the same time. Especially on fridays there is heavy traffic for some kilometres. All other streets in the small village of Finkenwerder that surrounds Airbus are “residents only”.
“Residents” in this case does not only mean the people living there, but also their visitors, suppliers, and all other people doing business there. So, when it comes to heavy traffic, my colleague uses a short way through a small street and uses the notice as an excuse, when the police stops him.

Thank you for solving this first puzzle of mine since months.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 10:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The hallmark of a great lateral--the Duh!-slap to the forehead at the end of it... Thank you, Feenwalt.

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