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Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 12:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Her fortune turned on a crease
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 12:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Early spiolers please email
Brian Pamandanan (Sciguy47)
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 4:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She folded a dollar bill?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 5:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Brian Pamandanan (Sciguy47) on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 04:40 pm:

She folded a dollar bill? nope
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 5:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A crease in a piece of paper? a piece of fabric? skin? a cricket pitch?

Fortune = wealth? happiness? destiny?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 8:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By David Burn (Woubit) on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 05:53 pm:

A crease in a piece of paper? this one a piece of fabric? skin? a cricket pitch?

Fortune = wealth? happiness? destiny? wealth - happiness as a result of that is always debatable
Tony (E20)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 10:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The paper: Paper Money? Legal document? Newspaper? Magazine? Book? Computer Printout? Photograph? Handwritten Document? Picture? Diagram? Cheque? Payslip? Passport? Bus timetatble?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 10:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tony (E20) on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 10:00 am:

The paper: Paper Money? Legal document? Newspaper? Magazine? Book? Computer Printout? Photograph? Handwritten Document? Picture? Diagram? Cheque? Payslip? Passport? Bus timetatble? none of those good try!
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 11:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was anything relevant written on this paper? Was it blotting paper?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 11:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By David Burn (Woubit) on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 11:03 am:

Was anything relevant written on this paper? yessish Was it blotting paper? no
Tony (E20)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 11:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a single piece of paper?

Approximately how long was the paper: less than 5 cm? 10cm? 20cm? .....

Approximately how wide was the paper: less than 5cm? 10 cm? 20cm? .....

Was the paper mainly of a single colour? White?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 12:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tony (E20) on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 11:41 am:

Was it a single piece of paper? yes

Approximately how long was the paper: less than 5 cm? 10cm? 20cm? ..... I'm not too good at visualising metric, but I would guess at 6-7 inches long

Approximately how wide was the paper: less than 5cm? 10 cm? 20cm? ..... 3-4 inches wide

Was the paper mainly of a single colour? no White? no

These answers could be misleading for reasons you will find out :)
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 12:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Approxmiately how heavy was the paper? 10gsm - 140gsm?
Was the paper treated in any special way?
Is oragami relevant?

How strong was the crease: empirical scale 0 - 18, 0 being no peak (180° crease angle) when held open with reasonable force, 18 being 0° crease angle, height approximately 1/4 of length of paper: reasonable force defined as stretch that gives perceptable reaction force along plane of paper.

Did her fortune appreciate or depreciate on the turn of the crease?

Did the crease obscure any information? Was the paper a map, and some relevant information happened to be right on the crease?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 12:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Benjamin Moore (Zenith) on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 12:16 pm:

Approxmiately how heavy was the paper? 10gsm - 140gsm? normal writing paper weight
Was the paper treated in any special way? no
Is oragami relevant? no - good thinking though

How strong was the crease: empirical scale 0 - 18, 0 being no peak (180° crease angle) when held open with reasonable force, 18 being 0° crease angle, height approximately 1/4 of length of paper: reasonable force defined as stretch that gives perceptable reaction force along plane of paper. oh heck - it was just a crease made when the paper was folded over. :) I don't know whether it was firm or loose

Did her fortune appreciate or depreciate on the turn of the crease? appreciate

Did the crease obscure any information? no Was the paper a map, and some relevant information happened to be right on the crease? no
Tony (E20)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 2:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So that's about A6 size (an A4 sheet folded into four)? How about a (large-ish) playing card?

Was the paper rectangular?

Was there more than one crease on the paper?

Had it been folded in half?

How large is the fortune concerned: enough to buy a meal in a restaurant? weekend break? fortnight's vacation? trip around the world? luxury mansion? retire comfortably and never work again?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 4:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tony (E20) on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 02:27 pm:

So that's about A6 size (an A4 sheet folded into four)? How about a (large-ish) playing card? longer than that and a bit wider

Was the paper rectangular? yes

Was there more than one crease on the paper? none others that are relevant

Had it been folded in half? possibly

How large is the fortune concerned: enough to buy a meal in a restaurant? weekend break? fortnight's vacation? trip around the world? luxury mansion? retire comfortably and never work again? let's say the last one for the purposes of drama, but it could have been any of the others - all are equally possible in this (true) scenario
Tony (E20)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 4:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Credit card receipt? Some other record of financial transaction? Envelope? Lottery ticket? Betting slip? Bingo card?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 4:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tony (E20) on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 04:41 pm:

Credit card receipt? Some other record of financial transaction? Envelope? Lottery ticket? yope Betting slip? Bingo card?

closing in now....
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 4:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was there something written by a person? or printed by a macnine on the paper? Did the crease obscure comething?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 7:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 04:44 am:

was there something written by a person? yes or printed by a macnine on the paper? this too Did the crease obscure comething? noiish
Tony (E20)
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 9:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One of those slips where you mark the numbers to be read by the lottery ticket machine there must be a shorter way of describing them, but I can't think of it right now!?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 12:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tony (E20) on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 09:32 am:

One of those slips where you mark the numbers to be read by the lottery ticket machine there must be a shorter way of describing them, but I can't think of it right now!? YES - so what happened?
Tony (E20)
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 2:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She filled in the piece-of-paper-which-you-write-your-lottery-numbers-on but because of a crease in the piece-of-paper-which-you-write-your-lottery-numbers-on, the machine read it differently to the way that she intended?

Did it read different numbers? Or a different date? Or a different number of lotteries to be entered?

Whichever it was, the unintentional ticket she received resulted in a win which she would not have had if the machine had read her piece-of-paper-which-you-write-your-lottery-numbers-on correctly?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 6:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tony (E20) on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 02:07 pm:

She filled in the piece-of-paper-which-you-write-your-lottery-numbers-on but because of a crease in the piece-of-paper-which-you-write-your-lottery-numbers-on, the machine read it differently to the way that she intended? yes

Did it read different numbers? Or a different date? Or a different number of lotteries to be entered? this one

Whichever it was, the unintentional ticket she received resulted in a win which she would not have had if the machine had read her piece-of-paper-which-you-write-your-lottery-numbers-on correctly? yes

Good enough for a
******** SPOILER *********

She filled in two games but because of the crease the machine 'read' three games. She was given the option of cancelling it, but said go for it and the third 'crease' game won her the jackpot.


This is based on a true story where somebody won ten pounds on the 'crease' game, but why not imagine her winning the jackpot??
BTW in another instance the customer had filled in one too many numbers. He had to choose which one to remove. He won 75 pounds with four balls plus the bonus ball. If he had kept that number and removed another one he would have won hundreds of thousands of pounds based on five balls plus the bonus ball. Of course there was only one ball that he could take out and keep the correct five balls plus the bonus ball, but it was still a sickening feeling for him.

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