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Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 1:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ANNELIES,

was the bread meant for humans to eat?
YES

was the mould meant for some kind of species to be eaten?
NO

Is it relevant where the baker lives?
YES

is it dangerous to eat your bread after three days,
THIS BREAD - YES

because of the ingredient people would realize that the bread is too old to be eaten?
WRONG LINE
Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 1:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

TORGEIR,

So, he wants the bread to go bad in three days, and that's the whole idea behind the adding of the ingredient?
CORRECT

Is the point that he wants people who don't eat the bread in 3 days to come back and buy new bread instead of continuing to eat the old, thus increasing the baker's sales?
NO

Would it work if the bread, instead of becoming mouldy, just changed taste in 3 days, a taste so horrible that no-one would eat it?
MAYBE
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 4:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

will anything significant between the bread being baked and it going moldy in three days time ?

the other person involved - are they related to the baker ?

would they die / be sick if they eat the bread ?

are they in good health ?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 5:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this certain baker use the ingredient in all bread that he bakes?

Or just certain kinds of bread?

Are there any other relevant ingredients in the bread?

Are the buyers of the bread all the same kind of people?
Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 5:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kapil and Ixo,

will anything significant between the bread being baked and it going moldy in three days time ?
NOTHING SIGNIFICANT WILL HAPPEN

the other person involved - are they related to the baker ?
NO

would they die / be sick if they eat the bread ?
THE MOULDY BREAD - YES

are they in good health ?
YES

Does this certain baker use the ingredient in all bread that he bakes?
YES

Or just certain kinds of bread?
NO

Are there any other relevant ingredients in the bread?
NO - REGULAR BREAD INGREDIENTS

Are the buyers of the bread all the same kind of people?
PLEASE REPHRASE - WRONG ASSUMPTION
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 8:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the bread given away (at no cost to the consumer)?

Is it to be used for a specific purpose?

Any religious cermonies/rites involved?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 8:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the time when this happens relevant?
Present day?
Decades? Centuries? Millenniums? into the past?
Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ixoye and Torgeir,

Is the bread given away (at no cost to the consumer)?
YES

Is it to be used for a specific purpose?
YES

Any religious cermonies/rites involved?
NO

Is the time when this happens relevant?
YES

Present day?
NO

Decades? Centuries? Millenniums? into the past?
NO, YES, NO
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 1:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the French Revolution relevant? Marie Antoinette?
Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 8:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Arjun,

Is the French Revolution relevant? Marie Antoinette?
NO

Paul
Annelies (Annls)
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Before or After Christ?

What century?
1st, 2nd, 3rd, ..., 19th?

Did people die because they ate the bread?
Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 4:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Annelies,

Before or After Christ?
AFTER

What century?
1st, 2nd, 3rd, ..., 19th?
19TH

Did people die because they ate the bread?
POSSIBLY
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 6:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is he trying to damage someone else's reputation? i.e. his "superior" (assuming there was someone higher in rank that directed him to produce the bread) offended him in some way, and his retaliation was to produce this bread, which was the superior's "gift to the poor", perhaps to further his own ends rather than simply a magnanimous gesture...? (convoluted thought, i know... ) In other words, was the baker trying to "thwart" the other's "plan"?
Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 6:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lewis

is he trying to damage someone else's reputation? i.e. his "superior" (assuming there was someone higher in rank that directed him to produce the bread) offended him in some way, and his retaliation was to produce this bread, which was the superior's "gift to the poor", perhaps to further his own ends rather than simply a magnanimous gesture...? (convoluted thought, i know... ) In other words, was the baker trying to "thwart" the other's "plan"?

NO

PAUL
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 7:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the baker know who will be getting the bread?

Does he think someone will be eating the bread?

Is it assumed that the bread will be eaten within 3 days of baking?

Do the people who get the bread require that he have only a 3 day usable life?
Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 10:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ixoye,

Does the baker know who will be getting the bread?
YES

Does he think someone will be eating the bread?
YES

Is it assumed that the bread will be eaten within 3 days of baking?
YES

Do the people who get the bread require that THE BREAD have only a 3 day usable life?
NO
Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 10:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ixoye,

Does the baker know who will be getting the bread?
YES

Does he think someone will be eating the bread?
YES

Is it assumed that the bread will be eaten within 3 days of baking?
YES

Do the people who get the bread require that THE BREAD have only a 3 day usable life?
NO
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the people that were eating the bread after 3 days breaking the law in some way? Acting unethical?
Was the baker acting unethical?
Was the baker trying to solve something but doing this?
Would you call the outcome of this whole experiment:
- beneficial to the baker?
- beneficial to the community?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying to check if the food authorities did their job in marking the right expiry dates on the bread?
Brian Pamandanan (Sciguy47)
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 3:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he even know that he(Ron) know that he put the ingredient in?
Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 8:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Arjun and Brian,

Were the people that were eating the bread after 3 days breaking the law in some way? Acting unethical?
YES

Was the baker acting unethical?
NO

Was the baker trying to solve something by doing this?
YES

Would you call the outcome of this whole experiment:
- beneficial to the baker?
- beneficial to the community?
NO, YES

Was he trying to check if the food authorities did their job in marking the right expiry dates on the bread?
NO

Does he even know that he put the ingredient in?
YES


PAUL
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 8:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was this time of famine? Was the food being rationed?
Would it help to find out which country this happened in? If so, was it in Europe? Americas? Asia?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 8:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying to stop people hoarding food? Making it available to everyone by ensuring that they could only buy a limited amount at a time?
Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Arjun and Lynne,

Was this time of famine? Was the food being rationed?
NO, NO

Would it help to find out which country this happened in?
A LITTLE

If so, was it in Europe? Americas? Asia?
NO

Was he trying to stop people hoarding food?
YES

Making it available to everyone by ensuring that they could only buy a limited amount at a time?
NO
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 2:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying to punish the people who hoarded bread?
Paul Sloane (Admin)
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 11:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***** SPOILER ****

Lynne solved this and we lost part of the thread.

This happened in Tasmania in a penal colony in the 19th century. Prisoners trying to escape into the huge wilderness that surrounded the prison would often hoard their daily bread ration to survive the journey. Making the bread go moldy quickly ensured that the bread was inedible and they would not have enough food with which to escape.

Thanks to all who participated.

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