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Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 2:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The music stopped. She died

No, this is nothing like the classic. :)
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

she = human? adult? music = actually music? died = traditional sense of ceasing to be alive?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 3:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think there are several versions of that classic but I can only remember one (the swimmer?)

is it relevant what kind of music it was or what specific song? could it have been some non-musical sound or noise?

did an absence of the music directly cause her death? or was the music stopping a sign or side effect of something that caused it?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 3:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think the original classic is the blindfolded woman on the tightrope who knows that when the music stops she's reached the end of the rope but the substitute conductor for the circus band stops too soon and...

It was the end of the aria and the character passes away dramatically, because she was sickly and on her deathbed (although still somehow able to carry on singing through a five-minute aria)?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 6:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the generator went out, making the music and her ventilator stop?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 1:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 02:43 pm:

she = human? adult? music = actually music? died = traditional sense of ceasing to be alive? yes to all

By dryman (Dryman) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 03:45 pm:

I think there are several versions of that classic but I can only remember one (the swimmer?) this is totally and utterly different!

is it relevant what kind of music it was or what specific song? no could it have been some non-musical sound or noise? no

did an absence of the music directly cause her death? no or was the music stopping a sign or side effect of something that caused it? no to both

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 03:55 pm:

I think the original classic is the blindfolded woman on the tightrope who knows that when the music stops she's reached the end of the rope but the substitute conductor for the circus band stops too soon and... correct

It was the end of the aria and the character passes away dramatically, because she was sickly and on her deathbed (although still somehow able to carry on singing through a five-minute aria)? nope

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 06:06 pm:

the generator went out, making the music and her ventilator stop? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 3:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she a real, live human prior to music stoppage?

Were she and the music in the same place? Could she hear the music?

Relevant whether the music was live or recorded? If so, live? Recorded?

Was it literal music in the sense of aural art?

One of these:

Quote:

The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.

Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm.

  1. A musical composition.
  2. The written or printed score for such a composition.
  3. Such scores considered as a group: We keep our music in a stack near the piano.
  4. A musical accompaniment.
  5. A particular category or kind of music.
  6. An aesthetically pleasing or harmonious sound or combination of sounds: the music of the wind in the pines.

Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 4:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"...when drums stop is very bad sign..."
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 5:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 03:21 pm:

Was she a real, live human prior to music stoppage? yes

Were she and the music in the same place? yes Could she hear the music? yes

Relevant whether the music was live or recorded? yes If so, live? Recorded? recorded

Was it literal music in the sense of aural art? yes

One of these:


Quote:

The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.

Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm.

1. A musical composition. yes
2. The written or printed score for such a composition. not this
3. Such scores considered as a group: We keep our music in a stack near the piano. no
4. A musical accompaniment. no
5. A particular category or kind of music. could be any of several categories
6. An aesthetically pleasing or harmonious sound or combination of sounds: yes the music of the wind in the pines. but not this

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 04:16 pm:

"...when drums stop is very bad sign..." um....
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 5:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The native guide was leading the safari through the jungle when suddenly drums sounded nearby. The guide started looking worried, and when queried replied "When drums playing is ok, when drums stop is very very bad." They continued on until, suddenly, the drums (which seemed to be getting closer and closer) stopped. The guide cringed and fell to his knees. The concerned guidee asked what was wrong to which the guide replied "When drums stop is very bad sign." When asked for clarification ("Are we going to be attacked? Is there a dangerous animal about?" etc.) He replied: "No, when drums stop, means bass solo about to start."

Did she take some relevant action when the music stopped which led to her demise? Did someone/something else?

Relevant how she died? Any (non-human) animals involved?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 5:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 05:39 pm:

The native guide was leading the safari through the jungle when suddenly drums sounded nearby. The guide started looking worried, and when queried replied "When drums playing is ok, when drums stop is very very bad." They continued on until, suddenly, the drums (which seemed to be getting closer and closer) stopped. The guide cringed and fell to his knees. The concerned guidee asked what was wrong to which the guide replied "When drums stop is very bad sign." When asked for clarification ("Are we going to be attacked? Is there a dangerous animal about?" etc.) He replied: "No, when drums stop, means bass solo about to start." :O

Did she take some relevant action when the music stopped which led to her demise? yope - explore Did someone/something else? no

Relevant how she died? yes Any (non-human) animals involved?no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 6:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The tape/cd ended and when she went to put a new tape/cd in the car player she dropped it, and when she reached to pick it up her car went off the road and crashed into a nearby hitoppop...hiptopo...hippoptop...very large aminal or otherwise relatively immobile thingummie?

Oh wait, no animals--does that include exploding hedgehogs? It does? Oh well.

Did she rather neglect to take some action which would've prevented her demise?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 6:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 06:20 pm:

The tape/cd ended close - explore and when she went to put a new tape/cd in the car player she dropped it, and when she reached to pick it up her car went off the road and crashed into a nearby hitoppop...hiptopo...hippoptop...very large aminal or otherwise relatively immobile thingummie? but no to the rest :)

Oh wait, no animals--does that include exploding hedgehogs? It does? yup Oh well.

Did she rather neglect to take some action which would've prevented her demise? YES - good question
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 6:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oho. Say, what if the exploding hedgehog was embedded in or otherwise attached to the hippotop...hoppop...hipmota...

Never mind.


Relevant what medium the music was recorded on? If so, wax cylinder? 78? 45? LP? CD? DVD? Tape? Memory stick? Ipod?

Is the type of playback machine relevant?

Is her location relevant (e. g. in the bathtub)?

Type/genre of music relevant?

Did she accidentally hit the "Ninja eject" button on her CD player and the disk came out rather faster than expected and caused her grevous bodily harm?

Did she die from severe physical trauma? Should I provide the LPTF canononical list of ways to die?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 7:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 06:48 pm:

Oho. Say, what if the exploding hedgehog was embedded in or otherwise attached to the hippotop...hoppop...hipmota...

Never mind. indeed

Relevant what medium the music was recorded on? yes If so, wax cylinder? 78? 45? LP? CD? DVD? Tape? Memory stick? Ipod? this one

Is the type of playback machine relevant? yes

Is her location relevant yes (e. g. in the bathtub)? but not that one

Type/genre of music relevant? several genre would be excluded, but many would be included

Did she accidentally hit the "Ninja eject" button on her CD player and the disk came out rather faster than expected and caused her grevous bodily harm? no - that's your next puzzle :)

Did she die from severe physical trauma? no Should I provide the LPTF canononical list of ways to die? I don't recall this being on it...
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 7:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

murder? manslaughter? suicide? accident? natural causes? natural disaster? execution? act of war? terrorism? euthanasia? supernatural causes?

Relevant why the music stopped? did the ipod run out of songs? the battery die? the earphones/headphones get pulled out?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 8:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 07:57 pm:

murder? manslaughter? suicide? accident? natural causes? this one natural disaster? execution? act of war? terrorism? euthanasia? supernatural causes?

Relevant why the music stopped? yes did the ipod run out of songs? the battery die? this one the earphones/headphones get pulled out?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 8:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

several genre would be excluded, but many would be included
Which of these would work: rock? rap? hiphop? blues? jazz? electronic? classical? country?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 8:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 08:26 pm:

several genre would be excluded, but many would be included
Which of these would work: rock? depending on the sub genre of rock, some possibly, and some most definitely rap? possibly hiphop? possibly blues? possibly, but some wouldn't jazz? depending on the sub genre, some would most definitely work electronic? probably not classical? least likely country? definitely
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 8:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is a particular instrument required? drums? guitars?
Are the lyrics relevant? Is rhythm relevant? timing?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 08:40 pm:

Is a particular instrument required? no drums? guitars?
Are the lyrics relevant? no Is rhythm relevant? yes timing?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 8:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the speed of the music relevant?
Her location: on the planet earth? in a building? in a vehicle? outdoors? in a city/town? in the countryside? in a wood/forest? on water? underwater? in the sky? on a mountain? on/in a sea or ocean? on/in a stream or river? underground? europe? asia? americas? australia? africa? antarctica? in the arctic circle? in an elevator?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 9:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 08:55 pm:

Is the speed of the music relevant? not as much as the rhythm
Her location: on the planet earth? yope in a building? in a vehicle? yes outdoors? in a city/town? in the countryside? in a wood/forest? on water? underwater? in the sky? yes on a mountain? on/in a sea or ocean? on/in a stream or river? underground? europe? asia? americas? australia? africa? antarctica? in the arctic circle? the actual continent is not too relevant in an elevator?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 9:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she in a hot-air balloon?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 9:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she in a commercial airliner? military plane? private plane? other plane? helicopter? balloon? parachute?
Is she a pilot? copilot? other crew? passenger?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 9:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How soon after the music stopping did she die: seconds? minutes? hours? days? longer?
Did the ipod cause her death?
Could she have used the battery to save her life, if it had not died?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 10:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 09:07 pm:

Is she in a hot-air balloon? no

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 09:08 pm:

Is she in a commercial airliner? yes military plane? private plane? other plane? helicopter? balloon? parachute?
Is she a pilot? copilot? other crew? passenger? this one

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 09:11 pm:

How soon after the music stopping did she die: seconds? minutes? hours? days? this one longer?
Did the ipod cause her death? no
Could she have used the battery to save her life, if it had not died? only indirectly
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 11:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so, is the title simply indicating the chronological order/relation of the two events...

... and as such, they are related in no (noish?) other way?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 11:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 11:44 pm:

so, is the title simply indicating the chronological order/relation of the two events...

... and as such, they are related in no (noish?) other way?

they are very much related, but it would be inaccurate to say that the iPod itself or its battery caused her death. Something else would be on her death certificate.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 12:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Defibrillators(?sp) relevant? Did she snipe the battery from the plane's defib. machine to use in her iPod and then on the return trip she went into fibril-thingies and the machine wouldn't work onnaccounta she'd done took the batt'ry out'n it?

Am I way off track here? How about pacemakers, did she have a pacemaker (I've been wantin' to ask)?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 12:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 12:01 am:

Defibrillators(?sp) relevant? no Did she snipe the battery from the plane's defib. machine to use in her iPod and then on the return trip she went into fibril-thingies and the machine wouldn't work onnaccounta she'd done took the batt'ry out'n it? nope, but ten points for creative thinking

Am I way off track here? yep How about pacemakers, did she have a pacemaker (I've been wantin' to ask)? nope
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 7:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she on a plane when the music stopped?
Was she on a plane when she died?
If yes to both, was it the same plane?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 7:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 07:26 am:

Was she on a plane when the music stopped? yes
Was she on a plane when she died? no
If yes to both, was it the same plane?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 2:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

she stopped tapping her feet and got deep vein thrombosis?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 5:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 02:20 pm:

she stopped tapping her feet and got deep vein thrombosis?
exactly right! Well done! :)

******* SPOILER **********

Our victim here was warned that she was at risk of deep vein thrombosis if she went ahead with her long haul flight from one side of the world to the other. She filled her iPod with foot tapping music but her battery died. She didn't have a Belkin battery back up for her iPod and couldn't recharge her iPod on a plane. If she'd taken a regular portable music player she could have taken or borrowed sufficient batteries to last the journey, keep foot tapping throughout the journey at regular intervals, and keep her circulation circulating.

Yes, she could have tapped anyway, but it's not so easy without some suitable music, she'd seen the film twice already and she'd fallen asleep through boredom.


This was based on an observation of mine when talking to my brother. He refuses to listen to music through headphones in order to protect his hearing - he may or may not be right in his assumption, but I suspect he's right. I said that I may be killing off my hearing, but I may well have saved myself a DVT by the automatic foot tapping that I found myself doing
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 6:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pardon my ignorance, but what's deep vein thrombosis?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 6:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/mosby_factsheets/Deep_Vein_Thrombosis.html
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That, despite your disclaimer, was actually something pretty close to a classic lateral puzzle, and a very good one. I am only an occasional visitor these days, but it is good to see that standards are as high as ever :)
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 11:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you David :)
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 12:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

what a cool puzzle Lynne. A friend of mine once told me that in one of those strange gift catalogs they put in airplane seat pouch, he saw a product called the "Travel Dancemaster", which apparently was a portable mat you put on the floor in front of your seat with a grid of flashing lights for tapping your toes on to ward off clots. Ah, science
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 7:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you Dryman! :) Can you imagine a planeload of passengers foot tapping and hand jiving. Well, except perhaps for the teenagers who are hissing "Oh Daaaaaaaaad. Muuuuuum" :O

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