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| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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Cyril's job involves no firearms, poisons, explosives, or powerful enemies. But it endangers his wife. How come?? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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His wife is in danger of dying? Becoming sick? Or being hurt? Kidnapped? Is this grave danger? Or the kind of, "You're in danger of being struck by lightning while you're asleep!" not really dangerous danger? Is she always in danger? Or only when he's at work? Only when he's at home? In danger from another person? From he, himself? From her, herself? From something natural? If he had a different employer, but the same job, would she be safe? If he had different hours, but the same job and employer, would she be safe? If he were payed more or less, would she be safe? If he performed the same job somewhere else, would she be safe? Is he self employed? Is his job in the service industry? Is it a proffessional job? That requires education? Apprenticeship? Is it a high paying job? Is it a job that most people aspire to having? Does he work in an office? In the same building every day? Week? Month? In a different building every day? Week? Month? Outside? Does he know that this job is putting his wife in danger? Did he know when he took the job? If he had known, would he still have taken the job? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Ian (Image) on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 12:44 am: His wife is in danger of dying? no Becoming sick? no Or being hurt? yope Kidnapped? no Is this grave danger? yes Or the kind of, "You're in danger of being struck by lightning while you're asleep!" not really dangerous danger? no Is she always in danger? yes Or only when he's at work? no Only when he's at home? no In danger from another person? yes From he, himself? yes From her, herself? no From something natural? no If he had a different employer, but the same job, would she be safe? no If he had different hours, but the same job and employer, would she be safe? no If he were payed more or less, would she be safe? no If he performed the same job somewhere else, would she be safe?\b {possibly} Is he self employed? irrel Is his job in the service industry? noish Is it a proffessional job? yes That requires education? yes Apprenticeship? yope Is it a high paying job? yes Is it a job that most people aspire to having? There's no job I can thoink of that mostr people aspire to having--people's tastes vary!! Does he work in an office? yes In the same building every day? Week? Month? In a different building every day? no Week? no Month? noOutside? no Does he know that this job is putting his wife in danger? yes Did he know when he took the job? yes If he had known, would he still have taken the job? N/A | ||
| Ian (Image)
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Is he a doctor? Lawyer? Is he in the same danger that his wife is in? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Ian (Image) on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 10:46 pm: Is he a doctor? yes Lawyer? no Is he in the same danger that his wife is in? no | ||
| Ian (Image)
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Relevant what kind of doctor? Surgen? Eye doctor? Foot doctor? Chiropractor? General Practitioner? Other? Would his wife be in danger if she were married to some one else with the exact same job? Relevant where this takes place? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Ian (Image) on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 05:03 pm: Relevant what kind of doctor? yes Surgen? no Eye doctor? no Foot doctor? no Chiropractor? no General Practitioner? no Other? yes Would his wife be in danger if she were married to some one else with the exact same job? possibly Relevant where this takes place? yes | ||
| Ian (Image)
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Does this take place in any particular city/village/town? In North America? South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia? Antarctica? Is he the only such doctor withing a long distance, and he is incapable of operating on one he loves as much as his wife, so if she fell sick it would be hard to heal her? Do the couple have any children? Relevant? If they did have children, would the child(ren) be in the same danger as the wife? Is the man a medical doctor? A dentist? Does he specialize in one part of the body? Located in the legs? Arms? Torso? Head? Neck? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Ian (Image) on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 04:10 pm: Does this take place in any particular city/village/town?no In North America? South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia? Antarctica?It could definitely occur in the USA. I think it would work in most countries but don't actually know this Is he the only such doctor withing a long distance, and he is incapable of operating on one he loves as much as his wife, so if she fell sick it would be hard to heal her? no Do the couple have any children? irrel Relevant? no If they did have children, would the child(ren) be in the same danger as the wife? yope Is the man a medical doctor? yes A dentist? no Does he specialize in one part of the body? yope Located in the legs? no Arms? no Torso? no Head? yope Neck? no | ||
| John Faben (Bentarm)
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Does his wife live with him? If she lived with him but was not married to him would she still be in the same danger? Would his children only be in the same danger if they lived at home? Would they be in danger if they went on holiday with him? Are they in danger of getting some sort of illness? An illness that he treats regularly? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Is he a psychiatrist? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By John Faben (Bentarm) on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 12:08 am: Does his wife live with him? irrel If she lived with him but was not married to him would she still be in the same danger? yes Would his children only be in the same danger if they lived at home? no Would they be in danger if they went on holiday with him? yes Are they in danger of getting some sort of illness? no An illness that he treats regularly? N/A By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 01:17 pm: Is he a psychiatrist? yes | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Danger from loonies? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Does he treat a special group of patients? Criminals? Mafiosi? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 03:38 am: Danger from loonies? no By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 11:12 am: Does he treat a special group of patients? no Criminals? no Mafiosi? no ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ||
| John Morahan (Wunderland)
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Is the danger that he will discover something about her that a non-psychiatrist might not notice? something she doesn't want him to know? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 11:06 pm: Is the danger that he will discover something about her that a non-psychiatrist might not notice? no something she doesn't want him to know? no | ||
| SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
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Does the danger come from :- Something he knows because of his job? Something he does because of his job? Someone he associates with because of his job? Is his wife's job relevant at all? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By SmarterBrother (Mycroft) on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 01:30 pm: Does the danger come from :- Something he knows because of his job? yes Something he does because of his job?yesish Someone he associates with because of his job? yes Is his wife's job relevant at all? yes | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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If he were an unemployed psychiatrist, would she be in danger? Is any tools he is using relevant? An anesthetic? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic) on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 03:36 pm: If he were an unemployed psychiatrist, would she be in danger? yes Is any tools he is using relevant? no An anesthetic? no | ||
| SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
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Is his wife also a psychiatrist? His psychiatrist? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By SmarterBrother (Mycroft) on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 07:55 pm: Is his wife also a psychiatrist? no His psychiatrist? no ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Suppose that he is not a psychiatrist, but that he has the knowledge we are talking about (for example, he could read it somewhere, heard it somewhere...) Is it possible at all? Would his wife be in danger in that case? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic) on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 08:38 pm: Suppose that he is not a psychiatrist, but that he has the knowledge we are talking about (for example, he could read it somewhere, heard it somewhere...) Is it possible at all? yes Would his wife be in danger in that case?much less if at all | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Is it something connected to his diploma? Medical ethics? If he were a student of psychiatry, in what year of his studies his wife would fall in danger? [List of numbers] Does he want to endanger his wife? Or he is not happy because of it, but there is no other way? Could he stop it? Does "endanger" mean "something could happen to her anytime" or "something is happening to her continuously"? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic) on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 10:25 pm: Is it something connected to his diploma? yesish Medical ethics? no If he were a student of psychiatry, in what year of his studies his wife would fall in danger? [List of numbers]This could vary, but she'd probably be in most danger after he got his degree & was established as a practicing psychiatrist Does he want to endanger his wife? yes Or he is not happy because of it, but there is no other way? Could he stop it? yes Does "endanger" mean "something could happen to her anytime" or "something is happening to her continuously"? the former | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Does he want to kill her? Does he want to test something? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic) on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 10:51 pm: Does he want to kill her?no Does he want to test something? no | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Does he want that "that" happens? Does he want that "that" not happens? Does he care whether "that" will happen or not? Does she know that she is in danger? Is it possible that she divorces from him? If that happened, would she be in danger? If he lost his memory, would she be in danger? If she lost her memory, would she be in danger? If they were on an isolated island, would she be in danger? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic) on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 05:48 pm: Does he want that "that" happens? yes Does he want that "that" not happens? no Does he care whether "that" will happen or not? no Does she know that she is in danger? irrel Is it possible that she divorces from him? yes If that happened, would she be in danger? yes If he lost his memory, would she be in danger? no If she lost her memory, would she be in danger? yes If they were on an isolated island, would she be in danger? no ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Does this mean that he want that "that" happens, but hope that that will not be so strong to kill her? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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Does this mean that he want that "that" happens, yes but hope that that will not be so strong to kill her? yope | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Is "that" something that could be strong enough to kill her? Is "that" something that could happen, but be not strong enough to kill her? In the latter case, will it hurt her at all if happens? Physically? Mentally? Could the wounds be cured? If "that" happens, will any other person be included? Any object? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic) on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 12:05 am: Is "that" something that could be strong enough to kill her? This would be VERY unlikely Is "that" something that could happen, but be not strong enough to kill her? yes In the latter case, will it hurt her at all if happens? yes Physically? yesish Mentally? yes Could the wounds be cured? yes If "that" happens, will any other person be included? Other people would be involved but not harmed Any object? yes | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Does he perform hypnoses? | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Would "that" be illegal? Amoral? About the other persons involved -- would "that" be illegal for them? Amoral? Is the object liquid? Made of glass? Metal? Wood? Paper? Is it smaller than a needle? Smaller than a matchbox? Bigger than a breadbox? Bigger than a car? Bigger than a house? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 09:47 pm: Does he perform hypnoses? irrel By Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic) on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 10:10 pm: Would "that" be illegal? no Amoral? yes About the other persons involved -- would "that" be illegal for them? no Amoral? yes Is the object liquid? no Made of glass? partly Metal? ditto Wood? ditto Paper? noish Is it smaller than a needle? no Smaller than a matchbox? no Bigger than a breadbox? yesBigger than a car? yes Bigger than a house? yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add a Message | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Is the object building of the University? Building where he works? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic) on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 11:06 pm: Is the object building of the University? no Building where he works? yesish ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Does she go sometimes to the building? Every day? Does she (also) work there? "That" could happen to her in the building, right? If she hears something? If she sees something? If she tastes something? If she touches something? If she breathes something? Could that happen to her at some other place? Is she the cleaner? Does she have any medical handicap? Any other handicap relevant to the story? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic) on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 11:44 pm: Does she go sometimes to the building?possibly Every day? no Does she (also) work there? no "That" could happen to her in the building, right? yesish If she hears something?yope If she sees something?yope If she tastes something? yope If she touches something? yope If she breathes something? yope Could that happen to her at some other place? yope Is she the cleaner? no Does she have any medical handicap? no Any other handicap relevant to the story? no | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Are the both "ish" from the same reason? So, she possibly goes to the building (but not for sure), and "that" would eventually yesishly happen to her in the building? Would that happen to her in the building if she never went there -- yes, I know that this sounds stupid  ? "That" would most probably happen to her in the building, but also could be at an other place, right? If so, would the both occurences be exactly the same with the same effect? Exactly the same with the different effects? Not the same, but with the same effect? Not the same nor with the same effect? Do those yopes at hears/sees/tastes/touches/breathes mean "could be any of them" or "each will take part"? If one of these two meanings, is it everything we should know about yopes? Does she have a well payed job? Moderate? Low? Does her job have ANY connection with his job? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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Are the both "ish" from the same reason? yes So, she possibly goes to the building (but not for sure), and "that" would eventually yesishly happen to her in the building? not quite Would that happen to her in the building if she never went there -- yes, I know that this sounds stupid ? yes "That" would most probably happen to her in the building, but also could be at an other place, right? yes If so, would the both occurences be exactly the same with the same effect?well, not exactly Exactly the same with the different effects? no Not the same, but with the same effect? yes Not the same nor with the same effect? no Do those yopes at hears/sees/tastes/touches/breathes mean "could be any of them" or "each will take part"?\b} p\robably all are involved, but the puzzle could still work if she were blind, deaf, had no sense of smell...} If one of these two meanings, is it everything we should know about yopes? Focusing on particular senses won't help much in solvcing this puzzle. The point is just that the ":thing" will affect her consciousexperience, including sensory experiences Does she have a well payed job? irrel Moderate? Low? Does her job have ANY connection with his job? no | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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HINT: Think about things that psychiatrists do in the course of their work. | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Does he use free association? Mind-altering drugs? Apparatus like a polygraph or similar? Is a couch relevant? Does he ask her to talk about her parents? Is he a clinical psychiatrist? Or a psychologist? If the latter, is he Freudian? Jungian? Rogerian? Other? Is psychoanalysis relevant at all? Does he get her to look at Rorschach tests? Does she have any phobias? Is he testing these phobias, eg by sending her into a room full of live bats/rats etc? | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Or to put it in a more general way: are phobias relevant to the puzzle at all? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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y Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 10:31 pm: Edit Does he use free association? irrel Mind-altering drugs? irrel Apparatus like a polygraph or similar? irrel Is a couch relevant? no Does he ask her to talk about her parents? irrel Is he a clinical psychiatrist? yes Or a psychologist? no If the latter, is he Freudian? This distinction can apply to psychiatrists too, but it'd irrel Jungian? irrel Rogerian? less likely but possible, I think Other? irrel Is psychoanalysis relevant at all? no Does he get her to look at Rorschach tests? irrel Does she have any phobias? ditto Is he testing these phobias, eg by sending her into a room full of live bats/rats etc? no By Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 10:33 pm: Edit Or to put it in a more general way: are phobias relevant to the puzzle at all? no | ||
| Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
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hypnosis relevant? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann) on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 12:21 am: Edit hypnosis relevant? no ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2006 |
Hi, new to this, but I'll try to be careful with the wording... Is the wife in danger because of something he does directly to her? Is she in danger indirectly because of some treatment to another? Is the wife in the legal profession? memory improvement relevant? perception improvement relevant? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1586 Registered: 8-2001 |
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 12:47 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi, new to this, but I'll try to be careful with the wording... Is the wife in danger because of something he does directly to her? yesish Is she in danger indirectly because of some treatment to another? no Is the wife in the legal profession? no memory improvement relevant? no perception improvement relevant? no | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is the something he does which puts the wife in danger, something he would do as part of his normal work to others? Does it put his wife in danger because of her relationship to him, where another having the same action wouldn't be in the same danger? Is some piece of equipment involved in this? (I can't think of much a psychiatrist uses) Couch? Notebook? Pen? Tape recorder? You said earlier that wife's occupation is relevant, correct? Would knowing the wife's occupation reveal the puzzle? Is the wife a psychiatrist? Other medical profession? Circus performer (always worth asking I think :-) )? office-based job? | ||
| SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2003 |
Does the danger come from an experiment he is carrying out? Are any of his patients relevant? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1590 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is the something he does which puts the wife in danger, something he would do as part of his normal work to others? yesish Does it put his wife in danger because of her relationship to him, where another having the same action wouldn't be in the same danger? noish Is some piece of equipment involved in this?yope (I can't think of much a psychiatrist uses) Couch? no Notebook? no Pen? no Tape recorder? no You said earlier that wife's occupation is relevant, correct?yes Would knowing the wife's occupation reveal the puzzle? it would help a lot, but it wouldn't be the solution all by itself Is the wife a psychiatrist? no Other medical profession?very unlikely Circus performer (always worth asking I think :-) )? possibly office-based job? possibly SmarterBrother (Mycroft) New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 6:24 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does the danger come from an experiment he is carrying out? no Are any of his patients relevant? no . | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 62 Registered: 7-2006 |
Medical profession - Unlikely Circus performer - possibly office-based job - possibly ??? I it known what her job is? Is it in the entertainment industry? Legal profession? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1593 Registered: 8-2001 |
Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 10:23 am: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Medical profession - Unlikely Circus performer - possibly office-based job - possibly ??? I it known what her job is? not by forum members yet Is it in the entertainment industry? possibly Legal profession?Are pou asking whether her profession is illegal? If so, the answer is possibly but not necessarily.Are you asking whether she is a lawyer? If so, the answer is no } | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 88 Registered: 7-2006 |
With all those possiblys to questions of the nature of her work, I was meaning to ask whether her husband knows her profession... Any other person (or persons) in this scenario relevant who have yet to be discovered? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1596 Registered: 8-2001 |
Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 10:11 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ With all those possiblys to questions of the nature of her work, I was meaning to ask whether her husband knows her profession... yes, he does Any other person (or persons) in this scenario relevant who have yet to be discovered? yes | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 103 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is there one other relevane person? Are there more than one relevant people? Patient(s) or the psychiatrist? Colleague(s) of the phychiatrist? Family member(s)? unborn child(ren)? colleague(s) of the wife? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1598 Registered: 8-2001 |
Mike Holden (Plebeian) New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 103 Registered: 7-2006 Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 12:29 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is there one other relevane person? yes Are there more than one relevant people?yes Patient(s) or the psychiatrist? Please clarify Colleague(s) of the phychiatrist? yes Family member(s)? no unborn child(ren)? no colleague(s) of the wife? no | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 139 Registered: 7-2006 |
[Sorry, lame fingers.] Is there one other relevant person? More than one other relevant person (other than the psychiatrist and wife)? Colleague of the psychiatrist? more than one colleague of the psychiatrist? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1604 Registered: 8-2001 |
Mike Holden (Plebeian) New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 139 Registered: 7-2006 Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 12:06 am: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Sorry, lame fingers.] Is there one other relevant person? More than one other relevant person (other than the psychiatrist and wife)? Colleague of the psychiatrist? more than one colleague of the psychiatrist? I alrteady answered these questions--see above | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 156 Registered: 7-2006 |
So there is at least one other person in this scenario, other than the psychiatrist and wife, who has not yet been discovered? Some friend of the wife? Some relative of the wife? Colleague of the wife? Is the wife in danger from a person (? or persons?) other than the psychiatrist himself? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1606 Registered: 8-2001 |
Mike Holden (Plebeian) New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 156 Registered: 7-2006 Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 7:57 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ So there is at least one other person in this scenario, other than the psychiatrist and wife, who has not yet been discovered? yes Some friend of the wife? no Some relative of the wife? no Colleague of the wife? no Is the wife in danger from a person (? or persons?) other than the psychiatrist himself? yes | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 159 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is the wife in danger from the third party? As a result of pyschiatric analysis of the third party? Does a colleague of the psychiatrist threaten the wife? Or attack the wife? Does the psychiatrist analyse his wife? Anaylys the colleague? | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 344 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did he do anything connected with his job at a place other than his office? In his house? In the woman's workplace? Somewhere else? Do the other persons involved know they are involved? All of them? Few? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1611 Registered: 8-2001 |
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 159 Registered: 7-2006 Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 11:01 am: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is the wife in danger from the third party? yes As a result of pyschiatric analysis of the third party?yesish-- by the third party Does a colleague of the psychiatrist threaten the wife? yesish Or attack the wife? yope Does the psychiatrist analyse his wife?yesish Anaylys the colleague?no | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 190 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is the third relevant person another psychiatrist? Colleague of the psychiatrist? Does the second psychiatrist analyse the wife? | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 351 Registered: 3-2004 |
My questions from August 04, 2006 - 10:47 pm, please | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 340 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does the second psychiatrist analyse Cyril? Does it involve regression therapy or something? Does Cyril have a hidden history at all? A criminal record? A mental illness? Does Mrs Cyril have a history of attempted suicide or self-harm? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1614 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bojan Basic (Bojan_basic) New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 344 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Friday, August 04, 2006 - 10:47 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did he do anything connected with his job at a place other than his office? yes In his house? yes In the woman's workplace? no Somewhere else? yes Do the other persons involved know they are involved? yes All of them? yes Few? see previous answer | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 368 Registered: 3-2004 |
What does he do in his house connected to his work -- prepares something? Examines few patients (while the others are being examined in his office)? Does he do the same thing in his house and "somewhere else"? Is it the same thing he is doing at his office? | ||
| Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1617 Registered: 8-2001 |
Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 12:22 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ What does he do in his house connected to his work -- prepares something?yes Examines few patients (while the others are being examined in his office)? noish Does he do the same thing in his house and "somewhere else"? no Is it the same thing he is doing at his office?no | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 257 Registered: 7-2006 |
So, he does something connected with his work at home, correct? His home is a different location to his office, correct? does he prepare case notes at home? Using some equipment? Belonging to his wife? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 203 Registered: 6-2006 |
Can you give us a quick recap? I'm having trouble remembering all the pertinent info. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1621 Registered: 8-2001 |
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 11:03 am: So, he does something connected with his work at home, correct? yes His home is a different location to his office, correct?irrel does he prepare case notes at home? irrel Using some equipment? ditto Belonging to his wife? ditto Beccaann (Beccaann) New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 203 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 7:34 pm: Can you give us a quick recap? I'm having trouble remembering all the pertinent info. Add the following to the puzzle state,emt. Cyril is a psychiatrist. He chooses to endanger his wife. He's a bad guy. The danger is both emotional & physical. | ||
| Noesis (Noesis)
New member Username: Noesis Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 |
Does he hit her? Is he abusive? Is his wife allergic to something? He works both in an office and at home? Do it matter whether he works more at the office or at home? Does he do the same thing at the office and at home? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1624 Registered: 8-2001 |
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:22 am: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does he hit her? no Is he abusive? yesish Is his wife allergic to something? irrel He works both in an office yes and at home yope? Do it matter whether he works more at the office or at home? yes Does he do the same thing at the office and at home?yope | ||
| Noesis (Noesis)
New member Username: Noesis Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2006 |
Does he work more at home than at the office? Or vice versa? Is the psychiatrist's colleague the source of the wife's danger? If the colleague didn't exist would the wife still be in danger? | ||
| Bojan_basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 378 Registered: 3-2004 |
You missed the questions from August 05, 2006 - 9:27 am and August 06, 2006 - 8:14 pm. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1629 Registered: 8-2001 |
Howard Wilde (Woodworm) New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 340 Registered: 3-2006 Posted on Sunday, August 06, 2006 - 8:14 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does the second psychiatrist analyse Cyril?no Does it involve regression therapy or something? no Does Cyril have a hidden history at all? no A criminal record? no A mental illness? no Does Mrs Cyril have a history of attempted suicide or self-harm? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1630 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is the third relevant person another psychiatrist? yes--but there's not just one other relevant person Colleague of the psychiatrist? yes Does the second psychiatrist analyse the wife? yes | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1631 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bojan_basic (Bojan_basic) New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 378 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 3:10 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You missed the questions from August 05, 2006 - 9:27 am and August 06, 2006 - 8:14 pm.Rectified, with my apologies. Man was never formed that all times might attain, but sometime he was put to the worse by mal-fortune. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1632 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noesis (Noesis) New member Username: Noesis Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 9:43 am: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does he work more at home than at the office? no Or vice versa? yes Is the psychiatrist's colleague the source of the wife's danger?yope If the colleague didn't exist would the wife still be in danger? yope | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 351 Registered: 7-2006 |
Does the psychiatrist actually practice at home? Of merely keep notes there, prepare for cases, etc? Is the psychiatrist part of a practice, e.i. group of a few in the same premises? If so, do these people share information about patients? Is the wife a patient of the phychiatrist? Or of another member of the practice? | ||
| Bojan_basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 383 Registered: 3-2004 |
The woman's job: artistic/musical/writer? Banking/financial/real estate? Clerical/Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation ? Food Service ? Other ? | ||
| Bojan_basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 386 Registered: 3-2004 |
I want to make a picture clearer to myself:
Would a human hurt her physically? If so, who -- herself? Cyril? His colleague? Colleagues? If not, would something fall on her? Or scratch her? Stab her?
If she were hurt, would Cyril and his colleagues allow the wounds to be cured?
Is this all about the colleagues, or there is more in answers to these questions? Is it possible that he finds out something about her during the course of the story?
Does he (or they?) analyse her as a patient or in the matter of their plans to hurt her? Same for Cyril. So far, we have established that he works at least three different places: in his office, in his house, and somewhere else, right? Is it exactly three places, or more? Where is possible for her to be when "that" happens -- at one of his workplaces (which one)? Somewhere else (for example, on the street)? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1638 Registered: 8-2001 |
Does he (or they?) analyse her as a patient or in the matter of their plans to hurt her? Same for Cyril. yes in both cases So far, we have established that he works at least three different places: in his office, in his house, and somewhere else, right? yes Is it exactly three places, or more? just these 3 Where is possible for her to be when "that" happens -- at one of his workplaces (which one)? Somewhere else (for example, on the street)? it by "that" you mean the harm, then Home? yesish, his office? no, his third work place? yes, somewhere else? yesish | ||
| Bojan_basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 387 Registered: 3-2004 |
You missed the whole question from August 16, 2006 - 4:59 pm and a large part of the question from August 16, 2006 - 11:33 pm , could you answer to that, please? Something more: Do Cyril's colleagues analyse the wife as a patient? Or in the matter of their plans to hurt her? Same for Cyril. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1645 Registered: 8-2001 |
Plebeian (Plebeian) New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 351 Registered: 7-2006 Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 12:29 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does the psychiatrist actually practice at home? yope Of merely keep notes there, prepare for cases, etc? yope Is the psychiatrist part of a practice, e.i. group of a few in the same premises? irrel If so, do these people share information about patients? Is the wife a patient of the phychiatrist? noish Or of another member of the practice? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1646 Registered: 8-2001 |
Would a human hurt her physically? yesish If so, who -- herself? no Cyril? yes His colleague? yes Colleagues? possibly If not, would something fall on her? no Or scratch her? no Stab her? no ------------------------------------------------------------------------ quote: Could the wounds be cured? yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If she were hurt, would Cyril and his colleagues allow the wounds to be cured? no ------------------------------------------------------------------------ quote: Does the danger come from :- Something he knows because of his job? yes | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1647 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is this all about the colleagues, or there is more in answers to these questions? more--find out JUST HOW they harm her Is it possible that he finds out something about her during the course of the story? irrel ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1648 Registered: 8-2001 |
jan_basic (Bojan_basic) New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 387 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 9:10 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You missed the whole question from August 16, 2006 - 4:59 pm and a large part of the question from August 16, 2006 - 11:33 pm , could you answer to that, please? Rectified with my apologies. I cast me never to be so wicked as I have been Something more: Do Cyril's colleagues analyse the wife as a patient? yes Or in the matter of their plans to hurt her? yes | ||
| Bojan_basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 389 Registered: 3-2004 |
Thank you, but there is still the question from August 16, 2006 - 4:59 pm about the woman's job. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1650 Registered: 8-2001 |
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 4:59 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The woman's job: artistic/musical/writer? all are possible but not necessary Banking/financial/real estate? ditto Clerical/Administrative? ditto Computer related / Hardware ? ditto Construction / Craftsman ? ditto Education ditto / Academic Research ? possible but a bit less likely Entertainment no / Media ? possibler but a bit lewss likely Executive / Management ? possible but a bit less likely Hospitality / Travel ? possible but not necessary Legal Services ?no Manufacturing / Distributions ? possible but not necessary Medical / Health Services ? no Politics no/ Government possible but not likey / Military ? no Sales / Marketing ? possible but not necessary Technical / Science / Engineering ? mditto Teaching / Child care? ditto Transportation ? ditto Food Service ? ditto Other ? ditto Bojan_basic (Bojan_basic) New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 386 Registered: 3-2004 | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1651 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bojan_basic (Bojan_basic) New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 389 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 9:25 pm: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thank you, but there is still the question from August 16, 2006 - 4:59 pm about the woman's job. Rectified, with my apologies | ||
| Katana_ro (Katana_ro)
New member Username: Katana_ro Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 |
Firstly, what does "noish", "yesish" , "ditto" and other answers mean? (except for no, yes and irrel) Is the wife crazy? Mutilated? Any disabilities? Does she take drugs? Do the husband and colleagus feed her with drugs of any kind? Does the story happen nowadays or is it a future scenario? Are any tools involved? (household, medical, industrial, something you can find in your kitchen, bathroom, bedroom etc) Are Cyrill and his colleagues abusing her sexually? Raping her? Are they using her as a treatment to other patients? The action that they are performing is affecting her mind and body at the same time (as rape does) or they perform a sum of actions on her, some of them affecting her body, some of them affecting her mind? Why does the husband put his wife in danger? Is the husband crazy? Does he willingly want to hurt her? Revenge? Hate? Any ethnical reasons? Religious? Satanic/cult ritual? His wife is vital for his job? Could he perform his job without using his wife? Does the wife realised she is used? does she approve? does she cooperate? does she fight against being used? Do they make her cooperate? (I just got an idea...it's kind of kinky...but i think i saw something like this in a movie...)Is the wife convicted in a prison or is she in a mental institute and his husband and colleagues are the psychiatrists of the facility and are raping her for their own sick pleasures and because she is crazy and no one would believe her if she ever got out and told anyone? If not rape, how do they hurt her? Threat, Terorise, Torture (sensorial, physical), cuts, hits, cut her limbs?, blackmail (I admit, i'm getting a bit off line here, but hey, it's a crazy world out there.... :p ) Does the wife's profession have any relevance to the plot? is it a combination of the two jobs that is dangerous? Is she an investigator? policeman, FBI? Bisedes her, Cyril, and Cyril's colleagues, are any other characters relevant? how many? Is the third place the prison or the mental institute? I am anxious to see your comments. | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 325 Registered: 6-2006 |
Yesish means mostly yes, but not exactly. Noish means mostly no, but not exactly. Yope means yes and no. Ditto usually means, same answer as to the last question. FA means false assumption. | ||
| Tehanu (Tehanu)
New member Username: Tehanu Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2005 |
What do Cyril and his fellow bad guys gain from endangering the wife...Do they gain financially? Career advancement? Scientific knowledge? "How many?" is not a Yes or No question. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1653 Registered: 8-2001 |
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 6:23 pm: Firstly, what does "noish",it's a negative but weaker than no, i.e., no, sort of "yesish" it's an affirmsative but weaker than yes, i.e.--yes, sort of , "ditto" same ansdwer as previous one and other answers mean? (except for no, yes and irrel) Is the wife crazy? no Mutilated? no Any disabilities? irrel Does she take drugs?irrel Do the husband and colleagus feed her with drugs of any kind? possibly Does the story happen nowadays or is it a future scenario? nowadays Are any tools involved? (household, medical, industrial, something you can find in your kitchen, bathroom, bedroom etc) no Are Cyrill and his colleagues abusing her sexually? no Raping her? no Are they using her as a treatment to other patients? no The action that they are performing is affecting her mind and body at the same time (as rape does) or they perform a sum of actions on her, some of them affecting her body, some of them affecting her mind? one major action Why does the husband put his wife in danger? Is the husband crazy? no Does he willingly want to hurt her? yesRevenge? possibly Hate? ditto Any ethnical reasons? His behavior is unethical Religious? no Satanic/cult ritual? no His wife is vital for his job? no Could he perform his job without using his wife? yes Does the wife realised she is used? yes or yesish does she approve? no does she cooperate? no does she fight against being used? possibly Do they make her cooperate? yes (I just got an idea...it's kind of kinky...but i think i saw something like this in a movie...)Is the wife convicted in a prison or is she in a mental institute and his husband and colleagues are the psychiatrists of the facility and are raping her for their own sick pleasures and because she is crazy and no one would believe her if she ever got out and told anyone? no If not rape, how do they hurt her? Threat, Terorise, Torture (sensorial, physical), cuts, hits, cut her limbs?, no blackmail possibly (I admit, i'm getting a bit off line here, but hey, it's a crazy world out there.... :p ) Does the wife's profession have any relevance to the plot? yes is it a combination of the two jobs that is dangerous? no Is she an investigator? no policeman, no FBI? no Bisedes her, Cyril, and Cyril's colleagues, are any other characters relevant? yes how many?at least 3 Is the third place the prison no or the mental institute yes? I am anxious to see your comments. Beccaann (Beccaann) New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 325 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 6:31 pm: Yesish means mostly yes, but not exactly. Noish means mostly no, but not exactly. Yope means yes and no. Ditto usually means, same answer as to the last question. FA means false assumption. Tehanu (Tehanu) New member Username: Tehanu Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 9:47 pm: What do Cyril and his fellow bad guys gain from endangering the wife...Do they gain financially? Career advancement? Scientific knowledge? "How many?" is not a Yes or No question. :-) | ||
| Ted11235 (Ted11235)
New member Username: Ted11235 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 |
Does the harm to her involve drugs? (Prescription? Illegal?) Radiation? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1655 Registered: 8-2001 |
New member Username: Ted11235 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 9:01 pm: Does the harm to her involve drugs? possibly (Prescription? possibly Illegal? no) Radiation? no | ||
| Katana_ro (Katana_ro)
New member Username: Katana_ro Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2006 |
Thank you, but one of my questions was misunderstood: Any ethnical reasons (depending if the person/s are caucasian, hispanic, black, asian etc) And now a new set of questions: You said that the danger is both mental and physical, but you answered "no" to all questions regarding physical damage: cuts, hits, burns, scratches, bacterial or other infections, poisons, torture etc. How come? You said that her profession is very rellevant to the plot, yet when Bojan Basic listed a lot of jobs, your answers were a bit too evasive. Please clarify. Does her work affect other people? Does she have influence (such as a teacher, politician, government member etc..). Is she a journalist? Does she host the news? What is the nature of the danger that Cyril expose his wife to: death? (If so, is it sudden death? or it's a process that will cause the wife's death? Or is it something that might cause her death, if mishandled or something like that?) Is it affecting her health? Social Status? future? past? present? Affecting other people his wife interacts with? What human rights is the psychiatrist enfringing? Right of own opinion? Life? health? security? freedom? I'll repeat another user's questions: How are Cyril and his colleagues gaining from hurting his wife: financially, career advancement, scientific? (and now my own): or they hurt her just for personal satisfaction? Or they want to get some information out of her? You said that it's possible that the pshychiatrist wants to take revenge and that he hates his wife. Is it because something she had done in the past? Did she cheat him with someone? Has she done any kind of harm on him? Is the wife a prostitute? You said they are giving her drugs (the prescription kind). Are these drugs affecting her memory? Health? Are intended to alter her memory but they have a side effect on the body? Does the doctor want to make his wife forget something? someone? to remember something? to forget who she is? Is another scene that happened in the past relevant to the plot? (like the island thing in the albatross dish puzzle) Are Cyril's colleagues directly benefitting from what they do to his wife? or they just help Cyril? You said that besides, Cyril, wife and colleagues there is another relevant person. Is it family? friends of any of the above? Bosses? Authorities? (police, government etc. ) any other people at the workplaces of the two? Business partner? You said that the wife is blackmailed somehow. They are threatning her with her own life? her job? something related to her job? social status? any of her material possesions? her health? her physical or mental integrity? Has she something else to lose if she doesn't cooperate? Material? Spiritual? Abstract? Or they are threating any of the above at a person which the wife cares about (one of her friends, for example). Ok. Enough for now | ||
| Ollyrukes (Ollyrukes)
New member Username: Ollyrukes Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is the patient a criminal? (I'm think along Sopranos lines here, whereby him telling his wife about his patient could put her in danger) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1656 Registered: 8-2001 |
New member Username: Katana_ro Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 1:17 am: Thank you, but one of my questions was misunderstood: Any ethnical reasons (depending if the person/s are caucasian, hispanic, black, asian etc) No one's race or ethnicity is relevant to this puzzle And now a new set of questions: You said that the danger is both mental and physical, but you answered "no" to all questions regarding physical damage: cuts, hits, burns, scratches, bacterial or other infections, poisons, torture etc. How come?Because none of those describes the physical danger  !! You said that her profession is very rellevant to the plot, yet when Bojan Basic listed a lot of jobs, your answers were a bit too evasive. Please clarify.My replies were accurate, not evasive. But since this puzzle has gone unsolved for so long, I'll supply a hint: The importance of her job is that a few jobs are precluded. All others are acceptable. Does her work affect other people? possiby Does she have influence (such as a teacher, She can be a teacher politician unlikely, government member etc. unlikely.). Is she a journalist?possibly Does she host the news? possibly | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1657 Registered: 8-2001 |
What is the nature of the danger that Cyril expose his wife to: death? no (If so, is it sudden death? or it's a process that will cause the wife's death? Or is it something that might cause her death, if mishandled or something like that?) unlikely Is it affecting her health? yesish Social Status? yes future? yes past? How could he affect her past?? present? yes Affecting other people his wife interacts with? yes What human rights is the psychiatrist enfringing? Right of own opinion? yesish Life? no health? possiblysecurity?see next answer freedom? yes I'll repeat another user's questions: How are Cyril and his colleagues gaining from hurting his wife: financially,Cyril, possibly; colleagues, no career advancement no, scientific? no (and now my own): or they hurt her just for personal satisfaction? Cyril, yes; colleagues; yope Or they want to get some information out of her? no You said that it's possible that the pshychiatrist wants to take revenge and that he hates his wife. Is it because something she had done in the past? irrel Did she cheat him with someone? dittoHas she done any kind of harm on him? ditto Is the wife a prostitute? irrel | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1658 Registered: 8-2001 |
You said they are giving her drugs (the prescription kind). Are these drugs affecting her memory? possibly Health? probably Are intended to alter her memory but they have a side effect on the body? irrel Does the doctor want to make his wife forget something? no someone? no to remember something? no to forget who she is? no Is another scene that happened in the past relevant to the plot? (like the island thing in the albatross dish puzzle) nothing specific Are Cyril's colleagues directly benefitting from what they do to his wife?possibly or they just help Cyril? possibly You said that besides, Cyril, wife and colleagues there is another relevant person. Is it family? no friends of any of the above? no Bosses? noAuthorities? (police, government etc. ) yes, any other people at the workplaces of the two? noish Business partner? no You said that the wife is blackmailed somehow. They are threatning her with her own life? no her job? noishsomething related to her job? ditto social status? yope any of her material possesions? no her health? no her physical or mental integrity? yope Has she something else to lose if she doesn't cooperate? tyes Material? yes Spiritual? possibly Abstract? She stands to lose both physically & emotionally. I'm not sure what you mean by 'abstract'. Please clarify Or they are threating any of the above at a person which the wife cares about (one of her friends, for example) no Ok. Enough for now :-) More qjuestions are always welcome !!!! Ollyrukes (Ollyrukes) New member Username: Ollyrukes Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 4:48 am: Is the patient a criminal? What patient are you referring to? (I'm think along Sopranos lines here, whereby him telling his wife about his patient could put her in danger) No, that's not it | ||
| 90kandi (90kandi)
New member Username: 90kandi Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2006 |
are the drugs from his workplace? does he not like her job? did she agree to the medicine? was this under false pretenses? does she work with people? is that why you say possibly to all of the job questions? does she work with certain people? kids? adults? sick people? poor people? rich? or is all of this irrelevent? does she remind him of something from his past? does the medicine effect her fertility? did something happen in his past? is that why he wants to harm her? does he want to harm anyone else? does he want to live alone? is she spending more money than bringing in? | ||
| Catrien (Catrien)
New member Username: Catrien Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is she rich? Do they want to commit her to a psychiatric hospital? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1660 Registered: 8-2001 |
90kandi (90kandi) New member Username: 90kandi Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 11:16 pm: are the drugs from his workplace? yes does he not like her job? irrel did she agree to the medicine? no was this under false pretenses? yes does she work with people? irrel is that why you say possibly to all of the job questions? no. See answers to earlier questions. I did not say 'possible' to all. The point is not that there is some job she has to have but that a few jobs are precluded does she work with certain people? irrel kids? irrel adults? irrel sick people? irrel poor people? irrel rich? irrel or is all of this irrelevent? yes does she remind him of something from his past? irrel does the medicine effect her fertility? irrel did something happen in his past? irrel is that why he wants to harm her? irrel does he want to harm anyone else? irrel does he want to live alone? irrel is she spending more money than bringing in? irrel Catrien (Catrien) New member Username: Catrien Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 12:47 pm: Is she rich? irrel Do they want to commit her to a psychiatric hospital? YES!!!! ***SPOILER ********** A particularly outrageous aspect of psychiatry in America (& plenty of other countries too, I bet) is that someone can be committed against his will to a mental hospital simply on the say-so of 2 psychiatrists. So all the husband needs is 2 cooperative colleagues, who may either know they have bad nmotives or just be ready to define unconventionality (or whatever) as mental illness/. Since there are virtually no objective criteria of mental illness, this would br hard for her to fight--unless she's a psychiatrist herself, or a lawyer or judge. Thanks for sticking with it, evewryone, & for solving it, Catrien, & please direct those clever lateral minds to my new puzzle at the bottom of the page | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 948 Registered: 10-2001 |
In the UK it has to be two doctors and a social worker. One doctor may be (and often is) the patient's own general practitioner and the other must be a psychiatrist. Following this the patient has the right of appeal and will be heard by a "mental health review tribunal" (an independent body) that tends to lean towards the patient. They will invariably grant discharge unless it can be demonstrated that it is not possible to manage any risk of suicide or danger to others, in the community. This is regardless of whether they are mentally ill or not. In fact compulsory detention can only be achieved in the first place if the 2 doctors and the social worker believe that the risk is too great if the patient is left in the community. Patients tend to appeal after they have had some treatment and are partially improved. That means that the risk is reduced and discharge is more likely. Unfortunately it is usually these patients that stop their treatment as soon as they are discharged. They subsequently relapse. If this pattern is repeated they often sustain permenant cognitive impairment and become chronically mentally ill. Having said all of that, any officer of the law has the power to arrest and convey someone to a mental hospital for detention if they believe that the individual is mentally ill and a danger to the public or of self-harm. That detention can last for 72 hours, during which, the two doctors and social worker have to do their stuff if the period of detention is to be extended. Extended periods of detention are: 28 days for assessment (and treatment) 6 months for treatment 1 year 2 years indefinite ("at her majesty's pleasure") | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1748 Registered: 8-2001 |
I agree with the standard objections to this policy, as follows. Detaining someone because he's a danger to the public is preventive detention. A free society doesn't normally allow this to be done to the mentally healthy. So why to the mentally ill? As for self-harm, mountaineers, smokers, & stuntmen are all in danger of self-harm, but we don't intervene in their lives. As puzzle regulars probably know by now, I used to be 2 1/2 times my present (normal) weight. This was probably as risky medically as it would be for a mental patient to go off psychotropic medications, but no one presumed to force me to lose weight. I overate because I loved it, just as I gather mental patients stop taking their meds because they hate the side effects. From what I've read of such side effects, this sounds pretty reasonable to me. The problem is esp. acute in America, where many people classified as mentally ill (I don't know much abt. the UK), know what they're doing & choose to take certain risks. As for suicide, as a future old person, I especially oppose the tendency in America to treat the desire to die as rational in the old & ill (& unproductive & burdensome) but as pathological in the young & healthy. Even if you're more sympathetic to the concept of mental illness than I am,I think it would be hard to deny that it's overused in America. |
