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| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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They cheered as he died, but cried at his funeral. | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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They, he -- humans? His funeral was a couple of days after they cheered, right? Were they thinking that he was somebody else? How much of "them" were present? [List of numbers] Did they share a common characteristic? Are they his cousins? Friends? Enemies? Do they know him? Does he know them? Were they present at the funeral? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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They, he -- humans? Yes His funeral was a couple of days after they cheered, right? Yes, but irrelevant Were they thinking that he was somebody else? No How much of "them" were present? [List of numbers] a few hundred, maybe? Did they share a common characteristic? Well..not really but they do have something in common, I suppose Are they his cousins? No Friends? Some could be Enemies? No Do they know him? Yes Does he know them? Some of them Were they present at the funeral? Some were | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Is he the president? Or a minister? Something like that? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Is he the president? Or a minister? Something like that? Nope | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Was he an entertainer of some sort? | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Did they know that he really died? Or that was some kind of show where he supposedly acted dying, but it turned out that he really died? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Howard: Was he an entertainer of some sort? Nope Bojan Basic: Did they know that he really died? Yes Or that was some kind of show where he supposedly acted dying, but it turned out that he really died? No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Were they soldiers? warriors? Did he die in battle? Did he do something heroic? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Were they soldiers? warriors? Did he die in battle? Did he do something heroic? No to all | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Did they cheer because he died? Did they cheer although he died? Was there any direct connection between their cheering and his dying? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Did they cheer because he died? Yesish Did they cheer although he died? No..for some maybe, but mostly no Was there any direct connection between their cheering and his dying? Yes | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Did he die for a cause? Did he do something dangerous? Was he killed? executed? Did he die by accident? Did he die by natural causes? Did they cry because they were sad? Did they cry for another reason? Did they only pretend to cry? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Did he die for a cause? No Did he do something dangerous? Yeah I'd say he did Was he killed? Yes executed? No Did he die by accident? No Did he die by natural causes? No Did they cry because they were sad? Yes Did they cry for another reason? This too Did they only pretend to cry? No | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Was he also cheering at the time of his death (or just before)? Was he a sports supporter or similar? Did the cheering contribute to the death in some way? If they had not cheered, would he still have been killed? | ||
| SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
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Was he the only one to die? Did they subsequently find something out about him that led to their change of heart? | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Did he do anything illegal? Was killing of him the illegal move? Legal (for example, sentenced to death)? Did their change of heart come at the moment? How much after he died they started to cry - seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Howard: Was he also cheering at the time of his death (or just before)? No Was he a sports supporter or similar? No, nice idea though Did the cheering contribute to the death in some way? No If they had not cheered, would he still have been killed? Yes SmarterBrother: Was he the only one to die? Yes Did they subsequently find something out about him that led to their change of heart? Yes | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Did he do anything illegal? Yes Was killing of him the illegal move? Noish Legal (for example, sentenced to death)? Yesish Did their change of heart come at the moment? No How much after he died they started to cry - seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Maybe a day or two? | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Approximate year relevant? Did he die in a duel? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Approximate year relevant? Most probably contemporary, beyond that not really relevant. Did he die in a duel? Noish | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Did he have dangerous ideas? Did he go into dangerous terrain? Did he get in contact with dangerous items? Did he get into the way of dangerous people? Is this a true story? Is he a historical figure? | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Was he arrested? Or the police tried to arrest him, and he resisted? Did he have a court? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Did he have dangerous ideas? In the political sense? No. But yesish in a more general sense. Did he go into dangerous terrain? Yope Did he get in contact with dangerous items? Yope Did he get into the way of dangerous people? Yesish Is this a true story? No Is he a historical figure? No | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Was he arrested? No Or the police tried to arrest him, and he resisted? Noish Did he have a court? No | ||
| Clycking (Clycking)
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Wartime? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Wartime? No | ||
| SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
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Was he thought to be guilty of something but later, between his death and his funeral, found to be innocent? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Was he thought to be guilty of something but later, between his death and his funeral, found to be innocent? Yope | ||
| SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
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Is it relevant how he died - shot? stabbed? poisoned? burnt? electrocuted? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Is it relevant how he died Yes - shot? Yes stabbed? poisoned? burnt? electrocuted? So no to rest | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Was he also armed with a gun at the time of his death? Was he shot at point-blank range? Or from a distance? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Was he also armed with a gun at the time of his death? Yes, but.. Was he shot at point-blank range? Or from a distance? From a distance, but not that far away | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Did he have a fake gun? Was his killer a police officer? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Did he have a fake gun? Yes! Was his killer a police officer? Yes! | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Is this a theater scene? Did the police officer have a real gun altough he should have a fake gun as well? Did the audience cheer because they thought the actor's "performance" was so great, but then they found out he was really dead? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Is this a theater scene? Yope Did the police officer have a real gun Yes although he should have a fake gun as well? No Did the audience cheer because they thought the actor's "performance" was so great, but then they found out he was really dead? No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Did they make a movie? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Did they make a movie? No | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
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Wild stab... Is this based on a computer game? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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So a policeman shots a guy he thinks is drawing?/holding?/threatening someone with? a gun? Later it is dicovered that it is a fake and there was no reason to shoot him? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Is this based on a computer game? No So a policeman shots a guy he thinks is drawing?/holding?/threatening someone with? a gun? Yes, he does all of these Later it is dicovered that it is a fake and there was no reason to shoot him? Yes. there's more to it though.. | ||
| ian hepworth
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was he acting? did the policeman know who he was? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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was he acting? No did the policeman know who he was? Yes | ||
| ian hepworth
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did he know he was going to die? was he an illusionist | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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did he know he was going to die? Yopeish..he might have was he an illusionist No | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Was he murdered? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 201 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was he murdered? Not murder, no. He was shot at, but the policeman who killed him isn't going to have to stand trial for it. | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
New member Username: Sobs Post Number: 102 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was the policeman a "real" policeman with a real gun? Was there a criminal situation like a robbery, shooting,..? If so: was this situation a fake (not just because of his gun)? Place relevant? Other people/items relevant? | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2006 |
Jumping in .... Is this something called "suicide by cop"? Where someone who wishes to end their own life does so by pretending to be a lethal threat in the hope that a policeman will kill them? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 205 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the policeman a "real" policeman with a real gun? Yes Was there a criminal situation like a robbery, shooting,..? Yes. (not robbery or shooting, though) If so: was this situation a fake (not just because of his gun)? No Place relevant? Sort of Other people/items relevant? Yesish.. Jumping in .... Is this something called "suicide by cop"? Where someone who wishes to end their own life does so by pretending to be a lethal threat in the hope that a policeman will kill them? Nope | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 14 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was it obvious to onlookers that the shot guy was using a fake gun? Was the shot guy using the fake gun in pursuit of a crime? Was he actually pretending to have a gun? Or was he doing something and the cop looked on & thought he was using a gun? Were people cheering at the time of the shooting because they thought a man with a gun had been stopped from comitting a crime? Are 'they' just people in general? OR a specific crowd who witnesses the incident? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 206 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was it obvious to onlookers that the shot guy was using a fake gun? No Was the shot guy using the fake gun in pursuit of a crime? No Was he actually pretending to have a gun? Yes Or was he doing something and the cop looked on & thought he was using a gun? No Were people cheering at the time of the shooting because they thought a man with a gun had been stopped from comitting a crime? Yes Are 'they' just people in general? OR a specific crowd who witnesses the incident? There was a specific crowd who cheered, then a more general "they" who cried. | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 24 Registered: 7-2006 |
From earlier, there were a few hundred people in this place to witness the incident, and they ALL knew the gunman? In the sense of him being famous? Or just in the sense of knowing him as 'the man with the (subesquently found to be fake) gun'? Is location relevant? A park? A sports stadium? Theatre? TV studio? Is the assumption correct that the policeman fired on the man in the impression that he posed a threat? To the policeman himself? to a particular person? To more than one person? To the crowd of observers? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 210 Registered: 3-2006 |
From earlier, there were a few hundred people in this place to witness the incident, and they ALL knew the gunman? Most of them would know him In the sense of him being famous? Yes Or just in the sense of knowing him as 'the man with the (subesquently found to be fake) gun'? No, they'd known him before that Is location relevant? Yesish A park? A sports stadium? Theatre? This TV studio? Is the assumption correct that the policeman fired on the man in the impression that he posed a threat? Yes To the policeman himself? Yes to a particular person? To more than one person? Yes To the crowd of observers? Yes | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 29 Registered: 7-2006 |
A theatrical performance? But we've established that the policeman was genuine, right? Was the dead man an actor? Did the policeman not realise there was a performance? Did the audience think at the time that the shooting was part of the act? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 212 Registered: 3-2006 |
A theatrical performance? There was one, yes But we've established that the policeman was genuine, right? Correct Was the dead man an actor? No Did the policeman not realise there was a performance? The policeman isn't mistaken about anything except the gun Did the audience think at the time that the shooting was part of the act? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 34 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is the type of theatrical performance relevant? A play? Magic Act? Circus-type act? Was the dead man an active participant in the performance until the shooting? Did he enter the theatre as a member of the public? Or did he work in this theatre in some capacity? Relevant? Were there actors on the stage at the time of the shooting? Was the dead man on stage when shot? In the audience? Backstage? | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 35 Registered: 7-2006 |
Were the crowd cheering the shooting of the dead man? Or were they cheering the performance? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 214 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the type of theatrical performance relevant? No A play? Let's say this. Magic Act? Circus-type act? Was the dead man an active participant in the performance until the shooting? No Did he enter the theatre as a member of the public? Yes Or did he work in this theatre in some capacity? No Relevant? Yes Were there actors on the stage at the time of the shooting? Probably. Irrel though Was the dead man on stage when shot? Yes In the audience? Backstage? Were the crowd cheering the shooting of the dead man? Yes Or were they cheering the performance? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 37 Registered: 7-2006 |
Some rather-keen-to-get-his-point-across critic? :-) | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 216 Registered: 3-2006 |
Some rather-keen-to-get-his-point-across critic? :-) Haha, nope | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 38 Registered: 7-2006 |
But this was a famous man who nevertheless entered the theatre/play as a spectator rather than performer? And went onto the stage? Ex-employee of the theatre or cast? Did the man storm the stage? or was he invited up? Is it usual to have an armed police officer present at a normal showing of a play (even in America)? Or was the officer called to the disturbance? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 218 Registered: 3-2006 |
But this was a famous man who nevertheless entered the theatre/play as a spectator rather than performer? Aye And went onto the stage? Yes Ex-employee of the theatre or cast? No Did the man storm the stage? Yes or was he invited up? No Is it usual to have an armed police officer present at a normal showing of a play (even in America)? Or was the officer called to the disturbance? He was called | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 42 Registered: 7-2006 |
Prior to this incident, would the man have been considered a 'good guy' by the general public? At the funeral, was the crying for the loss of someone famous, considered by the public with affection? Or for the tragedy of a mistaken killing? Or both? (immediate friends & family notwithstanding) | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 220 Registered: 3-2006 |
Prior to this incident, would the man have been considered a 'good guy' by the general public? No At the funeral, was the crying for the loss of someone famous, considered by the public with affection? No Or for the tragedy of a mistaken killing? Yes, and also something else Or both? (immediate friends & family notwithstanding) | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 43 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is it relevant to the scenario determine exactly why this man was famous? Was he connected with the theatre (not necessarily this specific theatre)? Entertainment? Politics? Royalty? Sport? Was any of the upset at the funeral connected with the fact that (presumably) the performance was curtailed? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 222 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is it relevant to the scenario determine exactly why this man was famous? Yes Was he connected with the theatre (not necessarily this specific theatre)? No Entertainment? Politics? Royalty? Sport? None of these Was any of the upset at the funeral connected with the fact that (presumably) the performance was curtailed? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 46 Registered: 7-2006 |
Hmmm.... needs thought. (but I suppose that's the general idea!) was the dead man actively known as a 'bad guy', e.g. gangster? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 224 Registered: 3-2006 |
was the dead man actively known as a 'bad guy', e.g. gangster? Something like that, yes | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 48 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was the other cause of sadness (other than the mistaken killing) because of something that happened to the Theatre? Policeman? Audience? performing players? During (? Or after?) the killing? Or did the bad man's demise have some other unfortunate consequence, otherwise unconnected with the people at the scene? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 226 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the other cause of sadness (other than the mistaken killing) because of something that happened to the Theatre? Policeman? Audience? performing players? During (? Or after?) the killing? No to all Or did the bad man's demise have some other unfortunate consequence, otherwise unconnected with the people at the scene? No | ||
| ian hepworth Unregistered guest |
is the shot guy a reporter? is he known for carrying a gun? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 227 Registered: 3-2006 |
is the shot guy a reporter? No is he known for carrying a gun? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 64 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is Gangster a suitably accurate description of the shot guy? Or do we need do discover more specific information about his 'profession'? It's true to say a some people were crying at the funeral due to the tragedy of a mistaken killing, right? And I think it's true to say some people were crying for another reason, right? Would the people crying for the other reason be likely to be also sad because of the mistaken killing? Was the other reason something about the shot man? Something about a relative of the shot man? Something about the policeman? Something about the theatre? Something about the play? Something about another person or persons not yet discovered by us? (I know this line of investigation is close to another post of mine, but I thought maybe I need to rephrase) | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 230 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is Gangster a suitably accurate description of the shot guy? Or do we need do discover more specific information about his 'profession'? Not exactly a gangster, but is known for committing crimes and generally disrupting the peace It's true to say a some people were crying at the funeral due to the tragedy of a mistaken killing, right? And I think it's true to say some people were crying for another reason, right? No, there weren't different groups of people crying for different reasons. They were all crying for the same reason--the mistaken killing, yes, but it runs a bit deeper than just that. Would the people crying for the other reason be likely to be also sad because of the mistaken killing? See above Was the other reason something about the shot man? Yes Something about a relative of the shot man? Something about the policeman? Yope Something about the theatre? Something about the play? Something about another person or persons not yet discovered by us? Yesish (I know this line of investigation is close to another post of mine, but I thought maybe I need to rephrase)Sure, no problem | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 67 Registered: 7-2006 |
I really need to watch my phrasing... Is there another person relevant to the scenario who has not yet been discovered? Or more than one person? Is there something pertinent yet to be discovered about the Gangster (kinda)? Is there something relevant yet to be discovered about the policeman? Were the policeman and the shot man previously connected in some way before the shooting? Did the shot man have some other redeeming quality to add to the sadness? A wife? children? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 232 Registered: 3-2006 |
I really need to watch my phrasing... Is there another person relevant to the scenario who has not yet been discovered? Or more than one person? This Is there something pertinent yet to be discovered about the Gangster (kinda)? Yes Is there something relevant yet to be discovered about the policeman? Noish Were the policeman and the shot man previously connected in some way before the shooting? Noish Did the shot man have some other redeeming quality to add to the sadness? Yes A wife? No children? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 71 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was the storming of the stage an incident unexpected by the cast of the play? Was the storming of the stage because of some aspect of the play? Or some aspect of the cast? Or some aspect of the audience? Was it a premeditated act? Did the gangster, when entering the play, intend to storm the stage? Did he intend to pretend he had a gun? Did he, in fact, pretend he had a gun? Or was this just the impression others got? (this may have been previously determined, but can't see it) | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 236 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the storming of the stage an incident unexpected by the cast of the play? Yes Was the storming of the stage because of some aspect of the play? No Or some aspect of the cast? No Or some aspect of the audience? No Was it a premeditated act? Probably not Did the gangster, when entering the play, intend to storm the stage? Probably not Did he intend to pretend he had a gun? He might have, irrel though Did he, in fact, pretend he had a gun? Yes Or was this just the impression others got? No(this may have been previously determined, but can't see it) | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 74 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was the storming of the stage connected with some aspect of the play? Content? Cast? author? Scenery? dialog? Did he come to the play alone? With one other person? more than one? If he was accompanied, did some interaction with the other party lead to the storming of the stage? Were facts discovered about the man subsequently to the shooting which would be likely to change people's perception of the man? Was the policeman generally accepted to have acted with good intention at the time of the shooting (? and later?) | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
New member Username: Solane Post Number: 295 Registered: 5-2006 |
Was the man shot an undercover cop(or other law enforcemant or good guy?) posing as 'gangster' or other sort of bad guy? If so, was he on the same force as the guy who shot him? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 238 Registered: 3-2006 |
Mike: Was the storming of the stage connected with some aspect of the play? No Content? Cast? author? Scenery? dialog? No to all Did he come to the play alone? Yes With one other person? more than one? If he was accompanied, did some interaction with the other party lead to the storming of the stage? So no to all these Were facts discovered about the man subsequently to the shooting which would be likely to change people's perception of the man? Yes Was the policeman generally accepted to have acted with good intention at the time of the shooting (? and later?)Yes Solane: Was the man shot an undercover cop(or other law enforcemant or good guy?) posing as 'gangster' or other sort of bad guy? No If so, was he on the same force as the guy who shot him? | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 94 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was the storming of the stage connected with some grievance against the theatre? Or some other member of the audience? The subsequent discovery about the man which changed people's perceptions - something other than just the fact he'd been killed when mistaken for a man with a gun? Did the shopt man leave a will? Or other statement to be made public after his death? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 241 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the storming of the stage connected with some grievance against the theatre? No Or some other member of the audience? No The subsequent discovery about the man which changed people's perceptions - something other than just the fact he'd been killed when mistaken for a man with a gun? yes, there is something else Did the shot man leave a will? No Or other statement to be made public after his death? No..ish, could almost be a yope | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 349 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the gangster bring the fake gun? Did he find it in the theatre? on the stage? Did he know it was fake? Did he intend to kill someone? Did he do this to get attention? Did he threaten a specific person? Did he threaten everybody in the theatre? Did he do the threatening in a controlled way? Did he seem to have strong emotions? Did he seem to be insane? Did he say something? shout something? demand something? Did he take hostages? | ||
| ian hepworth Unregistered guest |
was the policeman and the man he shot dead related? was the shot man trying to stop a crime rather than commit one? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 242 Registered: 3-2006 |
Christiane: Did the gangster bring the fake gun? Yes Did he find it in the theatre? No on the stage? No Did he know it was fake? Probably Did he intend to kill someone? No Did he do this to get attention? No Did he threaten a specific person? No Did he threaten everybody in the theatre? Yes Did he do the threatening in a controlled way? No Did he seem to have strong emotions? Yes Did he seem to be insane? Yes Did he say something? shout something? demand something? He did quite a bit of shouting that was largely incoherent Did he take hostages? No Ian: was the policeman and the man he shot dead related? No was the shot man trying to stop a crime rather than commit one? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 113 Registered: 7-2006 |
Story so far (stop me if I'm wrong...) A man who is well known as a criminal and generally bad person goes to the theatre alone and during a performance he storms the stage, pretending he has a gun and threatening the audience and cast. A policeman is called, who shoots the man dead. The crowd, who were fearing for their lives, cheered the actions of the policeman. Is the man's actual reason for storming the stage relevant? Did the man storm the stage to cause distress to the others? As one of his acts of 'badness'? Or did he have a deeper reason for storming the stage? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 362 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the gangster want to be seen as an actor? Did he want to be shot? imprisoned? Did he only act insane? Had he been insane in the past? Did he feel strong emotions? Did he only act as if he was emotional? His emotions: fear? rage? pain? sorrow? dolor? happiness? reluctance? wrath? surprise? shame? contempt? guilt? interest? curiosity? envy? lust? loneliness? | ||
| Sairam Jabba (Sairam_jabba)
New member Username: Sairam_jabba Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was there an bomb/explosive in the theatre? Was he trying to disperse the mob by faking a shoot out? though he was notorious he might not wanted the destruction because someone close to him was in the theatre? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 247 Registered: 3-2006 |
Mike: Story so far (stop me if I'm wrong...) A man who is well known as a criminal and generally bad person goes to the theatre alone and during a performance he storms the stage,Yes pretending he has a gun well yes, he waves a fake gun and threatening the audience and cast. Yes A policeman is called, who shoots the man dead. correct The crowd, who were fearing for their lives, cheered the actions of the policeman.Yes Is the man's actual reason for storming the stage relevant? not really, though there is an element of yopeishness Did the man storm the stage to cause distress to the others? Maybe As one of his acts of 'badness'? Maybe Or did he have a deeper reason for storming the stage? Sort of..quite yopeish really Christiane: Did the gangster want to be seen as an actor? No Did he want to be shot? No imprisoned? No Did he only act insane? NO Had he been insane in the past? YES, but.. Did he feel strong emotions? Hmm. Perhaps Did he only act as if he was emotional? Not really His emotions: rather complex, I think fear? rage? maybe this? pain? Could be this as well sorrow? and this too dolor? happiness? reluctance? wrath? surprise? shame? contempt? guilt? interest? curiosity? envy? lust? loneliness? well...maybe Sairam: Was there an bomb/explosive in the theatre? No Was he trying to disperse the mob by faking a shoot out? No though he was notorious he might not wanted the destruction because someone close to him was in the theatre? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 150 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was he insane immediately before he entered the theatre? Was he insane at the time of the shooting? Did something during the play drive him insane (again)? Were the people upset because, as an insane person, he would be considered less responsible for his actions? Or less 'responsible' for the mistaken shooting? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 249 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was he insane immediately before he entered the theatre? Yes Was he insane at the time of the shooting? Yes Did something during the play drive him insane (again)? No Were the people upset because, as an insane person, he would be considered less responsible for his actions? Yes Or less 'responsible' for the mistaken shooting? Yes There's still more to it though...remember some of the yopes regarding the police.. | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 151 Registered: 7-2006 |
But the public were crying because the mad,bad man was dead, right? Were they also crying because of something the policeman did after the shooting? Or something that was done to the policeman after the shooting? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 370 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he become insane shortly before this happened? Did he get some piece of information shortly before this happened? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 250 Registered: 3-2006 |
Mike: But the public were crying because the mad,bad man was dead, right? Yes... Were they also crying because of something the policeman did after the shooting? No Or something that was done to the policeman after the shooting? No Christiane: Did he become insane shortly before this happened? NO..ish Did he get some piece of information shortly before this happened? No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 372 Registered: 3-2006 |
Had he always been insane? Had he been insane at intervals, i.e. were there times when he was insane, then times when he wasn't and so on? Had he been attested that he was cured from his insanity? Was there a different kind of insanity in his past? Did he take medicaments before the theatre action? Was there a certain medicament he should have taken but didn't? Was there a therapy in the past? If yes: method of therapy relevant? Shot in the dark: Some kind of brainwashing relevant? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 252 Registered: 3-2006 |
Had he always been insane? Yesish Had he been insane at intervals, i.e. were there times when he was insane, then times when he wasn't and so on? No Had he been attested that he was cured from his insanity? No Was there a different kind of insanity in his past? No Did he take medicaments before the theatre action? No Was there a certain medicament he should have taken but didn't? Noish Was there a therapy in the past? NO If yes: method of therapy relevant? Shot in the dark: Some kind of brainwashing relevant? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 182 Registered: 7-2006 |
IS the yesish in the last post just that at some stage in the past, e.g. in his youth, when the guy was not insane, but had since become insane? And was still insane on the fateful day? Any hypnosis involved? There wasn't therapy in the past, but should there have been? Was some scheduled therapy missed by the man? Or some planned for the near future, but this incident happened before he could undergo it? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 253 Registered: 3-2006 |
IS the yesish in the last post just that at some stage in the past, e.g. in his youth, when the guy was not insane, but had since become insane? No And was still insane on the fateful day? Yes Any hypnosis involved? No There wasn't therapy in the past, but should there have been? Yes Was some scheduled therapy missed by the man? No Or some planned for the near future, but this incident happened before he could undergo it? No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 378 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is his insanity something that has to be triggered by certain circumstances? Had his insanity been diagnosed by someone? Did anybody know that he was insane? Was his being a gangster-like person a result of his insanity? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 255 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is his insanity something that has to be triggered by certain circumstances? No Had his insanity been diagnosed by someone? Yes.. Did anybody know that he was insane? Yes, but explore Was his being a gangster-like person a result of his insanity? Yes | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 188 Registered: 7-2006 |
I assume there's more to it than simply that people were upset because, although known as a bad person, it wasn't known that he had mental problems as a mitigating circumstance? | ||
| Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 167 Registered: 6-2006 |
Multiple personality disorder relevant? | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 345 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did the policeman have any other reason to shoot him other than the obvious one? Was there anyone who was related somehow to both the policeman and the insane man? Is there anything more to discover about the moment of shooting? | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 192 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did a specific person (? or small group?) know he was insane? Did the theatre audience, prior to the incident, know he was insane? Did the policeman, prior to the incident, know he was insane? (possibly been covered, but...)Did the man have family? Did they know he was insane? | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 354 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did he know that the gun was fake? | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 257 Registered: 3-2006 |
I assume there's more to it than simply that people were upset because, although known as a bad person, it wasn't known that he had mental problems as a mitigating circumstance? Yes, more to it Multiple personality disorder relevant? No Did the policeman have any other reason to shoot him other than the obvious one? No Was there anyone who was related somehow to both the policeman and the insane man? Hmm..I'd say yope Is there anything more to discover about the moment of shooting? No Did a specific person (? or small group?) know he was insane? Yes Did the theatre audience, prior to the incident, know he was insane? No Did the policeman, prior to the incident, know he was insane? Might have, but probably not (possibly been covered, but...)Did the man have family? Irrel Did they know he was insane? but if he had, the answer to this would be no Did he know that the gun was fake? Irrel | ||
| Bojan Basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 358 Registered: 3-2004 |
Would he help to somebody anyhow if he were still alive? Did "they" change their mind about him because of feeling sorry or because they realized that they lost something what he could provide? | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 199 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did one person know he was insane? Did a small group of people know he was insane? Was it secret that this person (or persons) kept from others? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 259 Registered: 3-2006 |
Would he help to somebody anyhow if he were still alive? No Did "they" change their mind about him because of feeling sorry or because they realized that they lost something what he could provide? the former Did one person know he was insane? Yes Did a small group of people know he was insane? And yes Was it secret that this person (or persons) kept from others? Not exactly secret, but.. | ||
| 0815 (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 416 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he want the knowledge about his insanity to be kept from someone? a group? the public? Relevant who diagnosed his insanity? Did this person exert some kind of pressure on him? Did somebody (who knew about his insanity?) force him to commit criminal actions? Did somebody (who knew about his insanity?) cover up his criminal actions? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 262 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he want the knowledge about his insanity to be kept from someone? No, and FA a group? FA the public? FA Relevant who diagnosed his insanity? Yesish.. Did this person exert some kind of pressure on him? No Did somebody (who knew about his insanity?) force him to commit criminal actions? No Did somebody (who knew about his insanity?) cover up his criminal actions? No | ||
| 0815 (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 417 Registered: 3-2006 |
The FA: Did he, himself, know about his insanity? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 264 Registered: 3-2006 |
The FA: Did he, himself, know about his insanity? Yes, this is the FA--he didn't | ||
| Bojan_basic (Bojan_basic)
New member Username: Bojan_basic Post Number: 376 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did he act insane, or he looked quite normal but in his medical files there was written that he was insane? Did the guy who diagnosed his insanity have any connections with the policeman? Is he the "yope" from the answer from August 06, 2006 - 11:48? Did the storming the stage (with the fake gun) was the act of insanity or he had a perfectly good reason for doing that? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 265 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he act insane, Well I suppose anyone who stormed a stage waving a gun and shouting incoherently would look a bit insane or he looked quite normal but in his medical files there was written that he was insane? No Did the guy who diagnosed his insanity have any connections with the policeman? Is he the "yope" from the answer from August 06, 2006 - 11:48? Yes, him and others Did the storming the stage (with the fake gun) was the act of insanity or he had a perfectly good reason for doing that? Act of insanity | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 267 Registered: 7-2006 |
Were the group who knew of the man's insanity members of the police? Or connected with the police, e.g. police psychologists? Did they know the policeman was heading to the scene? Did they know the likely outcome was that the man would be killed? And did nothing? (Next q may have been covered) Were the group (or one or more members of the group) present in the theatre at the time of the incident? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1723 Registered: 1-2001 |
It sounds like the man's 'insanity' may have also been a type of delusion (where he believes he is something that he is actually not)...is this the case? So in his mind, was his act of storming the stage an act of heroics? bravery? courage? dangerous? Did he think he was protecting anyone? Harming anyone? When he first entered the theater, was he aware that a play was going to be put on? Or did he think he was going to witness an actual event (example: he went to a play about the Civil War thinking he was actually going to see the real war being fought)? When he got onto the stage, was his primary intention to simply take an opportunity to make something known to the onlookers? Take a hostage? Threaten the audience? Sacrifice himself in order to make a social statement? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 269 Registered: 3-2006 |
Were the group who knew of the man's insanity members of the police? Yes, some of themOr connected with the police, e.g. police psychologists? Yes Did they know the policeman was heading to the scene? No, irrel Did they know the likely outcome was that the man would be killed? No And did nothing? (Next q may have been covered) Were the group (or one or more members of the group) present in the theatre at the time of the incident? No | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 270 Registered: 3-2006 |
It sounds like the man's 'insanity' may have also been a type of delusion (where he believes he is something that he is actually not)...is this the case? Could be, but his type of insanity isn't really relevant So in his mind, was his act of storming the stage an act of heroics? bravery? courage? dangerous? irrel Did he think he was protecting anyone? Harming anyone? irrel When he first entered the theater, was he aware that a play was going to be put on? Yes Or did he think he was going to witness an actual event (example: he went to a play about the Civil War thinking he was actually going to see the real war being fought)? No When he got onto the stage, was his primary intention to simply take an opportunity to make something known to the onlookers? Take a hostage? Threaten the audience? Sacrifice himself in order to make a social statement? None of these, probably just a sudden desire to join in the fun on stage | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1725 Registered: 1-2001 |
So what else do we need to know? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 277 Registered: 3-2006 |
So what else do we need to know? It's almost done now, just a bit more about what happened to him prior to the event that made the public so upset | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 280 Registered: 7-2006 |
Seomthing happened to the man prior to the event? Did this happen in the theatre? Or before the visit to the theatre? Some good news given to him? Or some bad news? Something concerning his mental health? Or physical health? Something concerning his criminal life? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 280 Registered: 3-2006 |
Seomthing happened to the man prior to the event? Yesish Did this happen in the theatre? No Or before the visit to the theatre? Yes Some good news given to him? No Or some bad news? No Something concerning his mental health? Yes Or physical health? No Something concerning his criminal life? Yes | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 283 Registered: 7-2006 |
But just for clarity, before the theatre visit, the man himself didn't know he was insane? And didn't know a group of people considered him insane? And during the theatre visit, he didn't find out he was (or was considered) insane? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 281 Registered: 3-2006 |
But just for clarity, before the theatre visit, the man himself didn't know he was insane? Correct And didn't know a group of people considered him insane? Yes And during the theatre visit, he didn't find out he was (or was considered) insane? Right | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 286 Registered: 7-2006 |
Yet, something happened to him which related to his mental health, and (? or?) his criminal life, before the theatre visit? Had he vowed to change his ways? Had he just been acquitted of some crime? Or convicted of some crime? Had he just got out of prison? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 283 Registered: 3-2006 |
Yet, something happened to him which related to his mental health, and (? or?) his criminal life, before the theatre visit? Yes Had he vowed to change his ways? No Had he just been acquitted of some crime? No Or convicted of some crime? Yes, but not just Had he just got out of prison? Yes, explore | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1733 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was he an escaped convict? Fugitive? Terrorist? Were the police/authorities actively searching for him? Were the police AND psychiatrists both looking for him, hoping to get him safely into a mental institution before he committed any more crimes? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 288 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was he an escaped convict? Fugitive? Terrorist? Were the police/authorities actively searching for him? Were the police AND psychiatrists both looking for him, hoping to get him safely into a mental institution before he committed any more crimes? No to all..go just a little bit further back in his past | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1735 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is his past employment relevant? His family? Specific actions he took in the past? His age? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 290 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is his past employment relevant? No His family? No Specific actions he took in the past? No His age? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1737 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did the man speak the same language as everyone else in the theater? You said that he had gotten out of prison and had been convicted of a crime...had this happened just before the theater incident? Was he on parole? Is anything about his childhood relevant? His criminal record? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 292 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the man speak the same language as everyone else in the theater? Yes You said that he had gotten out of prison and had been convicted of a crime...had this happened just before the theater incident? Yes Was he on parole? No Is anything about his childhood relevant? No His criminal record? Not really. It wasn't very good, and this indirectly contributed to something, but beyond that not too significant | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1739 Registered: 1-2001 |
Had he been officially/legally released from prison? Did he escape? However he got out of prison, was it in the same 24 hours as when he went to the theater? The next day? Later than that? Is it relevant how long he spent in prison? Whay type of prison? Location? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 293 Registered: 3-2006 |
Had he been officially/legally released from prison? Yes Did he escape? No However he got out of prison, was it in the same 24 hours as when he went to the theater? Could be, not too significant The next day? Later than that? Is it relevant how long he spent in prison? Not the exact length, no; general length relevant, but not extremely so What type of prison? No Location? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1740 Registered: 1-2001 |
Had he been in prison for years? months? days? Was he put in prison for an act motivated by his insanity? For something else? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 294 Registered: 3-2006 |
Had he been in prison for years? This months? days? Was he put in prison for an act motivated by his insanity? Yesish For something else? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1743 Registered: 1-2001 |
Allright so he was imprisoned for years during some part of his life. Was it known before he was sent to prison that he was insane? Established at a trial? Established during his prison term? Was the theater just a random place for him to go? Or was it a premeditated destination? Had he planned to go there for some time? Could he just have easily have chosen another type of theater, like a cinema? Or was a live action theater necessary, in his opinion? Was his intention always to go up onto the stage with a gun, or did this idea occur to him at some point after he went into the theater? Did he go to the theater alone? Meet someone else there? Was taken there by someone else and then that person did not stay? Did anyone who knew the man see him enter the theater? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 297 Registered: 3-2006 |
Allright so he was imprisoned for years during some part of his life. Yes Was it known before he was sent to prison that he was insane? No Established at a trial? No Established during his prison term? YES Was the theater just a random place for him to go? Yes Or was it a premeditated destination? No Had he planned to go there for some time? No Could he just have easily have chosen another type of theater, like a cinema? Yes Or was a live action theater necessary, in his opinion? No Was his intention always to go up onto the stage with a gun, or did this idea occur to him at some point after he went into the theater? Probably spontaneous Did he go to the theater alone? Yes Meet someone else there? No Was taken there by someone else and then that person did not stay? No Did anyone who knew the man see him enter the theater? Knew = recognised him as an ex-convict? Probably. Seen by someone who knew him personally..probably not. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 62 Registered: 8-2006 |
Can't get anywhere! Relevant where this took place? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 302 Registered: 3-2006 |
Can't get anywhere! Relevant where this took place? Not really, could happen in most developed countries | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 295 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was he released from prison early because it had been determined while there that, as he was insane, he wasn't legally as responsible for his actions? Did the prison authorities release him without making it public that it was because he was discovered insane? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 310 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was he released from prison early because it had been determined while there that, as he was insane, he wasn't legally as responsible for his actions? NO Did the prison authorities release him without making it public that it was because he was discovered insane? FA | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 300 Registered: 7-2006 |
Had he in fact served his full sentence? But an organisation (connected with the prison? or connected with the police?) knew he was insane and should therefore have been released earlier? Or shouldn't have served time at all? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 316 Registered: 3-2006 |
Had he in fact served his full sentence? Yes But an organisation (connected with the prison? or connected with the police?) knew he was insane and should therefore have been released earlier? Or shouldn't have served time at all? Some flaws in this sentence...revise? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 301 Registered: 7-2006 |
Ok, we'll try to nail this bit The man had fairly recently been release from prison, correct? After serving a full term for a crime, probably one of many in his past? At the time of his conviction, was it known to the group that he was insane? Were this group in a position to make this information public? If so, would this have affected the verdict and/or sentence? During his sentence, did this group discover his insanity? If so, would their making this knowlege public have resulted in release of the man? Or reversal of the verdict? Did the group discover after the man's release that he was insane? Were the group actively keeping this information secret (whenever it became known)? Or were they in the process of making it known (or attempting to make it known) at the time of the incident? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 321 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ok, we'll try to nail this bit The man had fairly recently been release from prison, correct? Yes After serving a full term for a crime, probably one of many in his past? Indeed At the time of his conviction, was it known to the group that he was insane? Not yet, also explore your 'group' Were this group in a position to make this information public? Yes If so, would this have affected the verdict and/or sentence? Yes During his sentence, did this group discover his insanity? Yes If so, would their making this knowlege public have resulted in release of the man? Or reversal of the verdict? Treatment and possible release Did the group discover after the man's release that he was insane? No Were the group actively keeping this information secret (whenever it became known)? Yesish, but not really 'actively' Or were they in the process of making it known (or attempting to make it known) at the time of the incident? No | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 303 Registered: 7-2006 |
Were the group of people who discovered the man's insanity a group from inside the prison? Were they prison officials? Other inmates? Were the group attempting to make the man's insanity public, but constrained? If prison officials - by some government office? If prison inmates - because the information couldn't get out of the prison? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 326 Registered: 3-2006 |
Were the group of people who discovered the man's insanity a group from inside the prison? Yes Were they prison officials? SomeOther inmates? No Were the group attempting to make the man's insanity public, but constrained? Could be a yesish but could also be a no, explore 'group' If prison officials - by some government office? No If prison inmates - because the information couldn't get out of the prison? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 304 Registered: 7-2006 |
So, was this group composed of prison officials? and police? and prison psychologists? Was this a defined group, put together for the purpose of determining mental state of prisoners? Or just some of the people in the prison who discovered he was insane? Or some people connected with the case which led to his imprisonment? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 330 Registered: 3-2006 |
So, was this group composed of prison officials? Some and police? Some and prison psychologists? One Was this a defined group, put together for the purpose of determining mental state of prisoners? Well the prison psychologist was Or just some of the people in the prison who discovered he was insane? Or some people connected with the case which led to his imprisonment? Twas one prison psychologist and a few high ranking prison officials etc | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 305 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was there some disagreement among some members of this group as to his mental state? Did the group actually make it known to the prison authorities? But not to the public at large? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 337 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was there some disagreement among some members of this group as to his mental state? No Did the group actually make it known to the prison authorities? Yesish, but.. But not to the public at large? No, the public didn't know yet | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 308 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was the knowlege of his insanity in the process of being made public at the time of the incident? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 341 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the knowlege of his insanity in the process of being made public at the time of the incident? NO | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1761 Registered: 1-2001 |
Were any other inmates released at the same time as the insane man? Did the man learn or hear about anything during his term that influenced his actions after his release? Was there a relevant action/actions taken by the man between the time of his departure from the prison facility and his arrival at the theater? Is it relevant or helpful to know when and where he got the gun? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1762 Registered: 1-2001 |
Follow-up crazy (ha ha) thought - For some reason, had somebody given him the gun after he left prison in order to see what he would do with it, if he would threaten anyone? I'm thinking maybe the whole thing was a psychology experiment gone terribly wrong.... | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 343 Registered: 3-2006 |
Were any other inmates released at the same time as the insane man? No, irrel Did the man learn or hear about anything during his term that influenced his actions after his release? YOPE, tweak this! Was there a relevant action/actions taken by the man between the time of his departure from the prison facility and his arrival at the theater? No Is it relevant or helpful to know when and where he got the gun? No Follow-up crazy (ha ha) thought - For some reason, had somebody given him the gun after he left prison in order to see what he would do with it, if he would threaten anyone? No I'm thinking maybe the whole thing was a psychology experiment gone terribly wrong....No, but good idea It's really not as complicated as all this..all the relevant information has more or less been found out, there's just one last little piece left! | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 316 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did the man actually know he had been assessed inside prison? If so, did he know the decision had been taken that he was insane? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 346 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the man actually know he had been assessed inside prison? Well, he was aware that there was someone speaking to him, but he may not have known that it was the prison psychologist If so, did he know the decision had been taken that he was insane? No | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 319 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did the man find out after his release that he should have been treated & released earlier? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 347 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the man find out after his release that he should have been treated & released earlier? No.. | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 321 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did the man think that he was a bad person who shouldn't have been let out of prison at all? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 348 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the man think that he was a bad person who shouldn't have been let out of prison at all? No.. focus on that yope question earlier! | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 335 Registered: 7-2006 |
ok, missed the capitals earlier The man was spoken to during his prison term by a person (or collection of people), who were attempting to assess his sanity, correct? Was the man, during his term, trying plead insanity? Did he try to plead insanity at his trial? Did the group (or person) who spoke to him in prison tell him he was sane? or insane? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 357 Registered: 3-2006 |
ok, missed the capitals earlier The man was spoken to during his prison term by a person just one, a prison psychologist(or collection of people), who were attempting to assess his sanity, correct? correct Was the man, during his term, trying plead insanity? No Did he try to plead insanity at his trial? No Did the group (or person) who spoke to him in prison tell him he was sane? or insane? Nothing about his mental state was told to him | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 337 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was he told that he was due to be released? Was the man actually on permanent release from prison? Or on bail? Was he told something to the effect that further bad acts would lead to long-term prison in future? Was he told something to the effect that future bad acts would not lead to prison? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 358 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was he told that he was due to be released? No Was the man actually on permanent release from prison? Yes Or on bail? Was he told something to the effect that further bad acts would lead to long-term prison in future? No Was he told something to the effect that future bad acts would not lead to prison? No Focus on the second half of the yope question! | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 339 Registered: 7-2006 |
erm, I'll try... The man was told something by the prison psychologist, right? Did this influence his actions while still in prison? Did he change his behaviour in prison, become a good guy? Or did he become worse in prison? Did he do physical harm to himself? To the psychologist? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 359 Registered: 3-2006 |
erm, I'll try... The man was told something by the prison psychologist, right? No, he wasn't Did this influence his actions while still in prison? yope, and FA Did he change his behaviour in prison, YES become a good guy? No Or did he become worse in prison? YES, but depends what you mean by worse Did he do physical harm to himself? No To the psychologist? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1778 Registered: 1-2001 |
Ok - did they 'mess with his mind' in prison? brainwash him? convince him he was something he actually wasn't? Was he part of an experiment while in prison? Was the psychiatrist trying to force the man to act a certain way after his release? Just to clarify: was EVERYONE sad that the man had been killed after they learned he was really insane? Was ANYONE happy that he died? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 364 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ok - did they 'mess with his mind' in prison? Yes..ish brainwash him? No convince him he was something he actually wasn't? No Was he part of an experiment while in prison? No Was the psychiatrist trying to force the man to act a certain way after his release? No Just to clarify: was EVERYONE sad that the man had been killed after they learned he was really insane? Yes Was ANYONE happy that he died? A few maybe, but not exactly happy, just not too sad | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1781 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was the man considered a "hopeless case" by those who monitored him while in prison? Would he have been considered insane before being put into prison? During any past crimes he committed? Had he committed crimes while fully aware of what he was doing, and what penalty he would face if caught and convicted? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 365 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the man considered a "hopeless case" by those who monitored him while in prison? No, not at all! Would he have been considered insane before being put into prison? Yes, BUT... During any past crimes he committed? Yes Had he committed crimes while fully aware of what he was doing, and what penalty he would face if caught and convicted? Hard to say...maybe a yesish or yope | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1782 Registered: 1-2001 |
So maybe...he was put into prison because he committed a crime and was found to be insane? Then he was put through psychiatric rehab while in prison? And someone hoped they had "cured him"? But he really wasn't "cured"? Did he go into prison only "slightly insane", but come out "really insane"? Did he develop some kind of condition while in prison? Something like schizophrenia? bipolar personality? split personality? ADHD? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 366 Registered: 3-2006 |
So maybe...he was put into prison because he committed a crime Yes and was found to be insane? They only found out when he was already in prison Then he was put through psychiatric rehab while in prison? NO And someone hoped they had "cured him"? NO But he really wasn't "cured"? He wasn't Did he go into prison only "slightly insane", but come out "really insane"? YES Did he develop some kind of condition while in prison? His condition worsened Something like schizophrenia? bipolar personality? split personality? ADHD? Could be anything, irrel | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 367 Registered: 3-2006 |
Actually I think almost all the info has been discovered...tie it all together? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1783 Registered: 1-2001 |
He was put into prison for a crime, supposed to undergo psychiatric rehab, but the person(s) responsible for the rehab gave up on him or didn't really want to cure him so they let him get worse so he'd ultimately be 'free' and make a fatal mistake? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 368 Registered: 3-2006 |
He was put into prison for a crime, supposed to undergo psychiatric rehab, but the person(s) responsible for the rehab gave up on him or didn't really want to cure him so they let him get worse so he'd ultimately be 'free' and make a fatal mistake? Not quite as malicious as this, but close enough for a... **********SPOILER************ A man was sentenced to prison, where he was found to be slightly mentally unsound by the prison psychologist. However, he had been so rude and cocky towards everyone working in the prison that when the psych informed the top officials about his problem, they regarded it as far more convenient to ignore it, instead of bothering with rehab, therapy, review of prison sentence etc. Over the years, the confinement and harsh treatment aggravated his condition, such that when he left the prison a free man, he was a great deal more insane than when he went in. Shortly after his release, he decides to watch a play. Halfway through, however, he loses himself for a moment, leaps onto the stage, and waves his fake gun in the air, shouting and babbling incoherently. The crowd, seeing this known criminal behaving in such a threatening manner, panic, and policemen are called to the scene. Since the man seems to be armed, one of the policemen shoot him dead, and, relieved to be out of danger, the crowd cheers the policeman. A day or two later, however, the prison psych's conscience gets the better of him and he tells his story. The public, upset and indignant over this unnecessary death, weep. The end! | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1785 Registered: 1-2001 |
That's a good one, all the pieces were there it just took some thinking to make the connection. |
