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Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 5:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They cheered as he died, but cried at his funeral.
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 10:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They, he -- humans?

His funeral was a couple of days after they cheered, right?

Were they thinking that he was somebody else?

How much of "them" were present? [List of numbers] Did they share a common characteristic? Are they his cousins? Friends? Enemies? Do they know him? Does he know them? Were they present at the funeral?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 12:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They, he -- humans? Yes

His funeral was a couple of days after they cheered, right? Yes, but irrelevant

Were they thinking that he was somebody else? No

How much of "them" were present? [List of numbers] a few hundred, maybe? Did they share a common characteristic? Well..not really but they do have something in common, I suppose Are they his cousins? No Friends? Some could be Enemies? No Do they know him? Yes Does he know them? Some of them Were they present at the funeral? Some were
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 1:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he the president? Or a minister? Something like that?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Is he the president? Or a minister? Something like that? Nope
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 1:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he an entertainer of some sort?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 1:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they know that he really died? Or that was some kind of show where he supposedly acted dying, but it turned out that he really died?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Howard:
Was he an entertainer of some sort? Nope

Bojan Basic:
Did they know that he really died? Yes Or that was some kind of show where he supposedly acted dying, but it turned out that he really died? No
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 3:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they soldiers? warriors? Did he die in battle? Did he do something heroic?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Were they soldiers? warriors? Did he die in battle? Did he do something heroic? No to all
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 3:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they cheer because he died? Did they cheer although he died? Was there any direct connection between their cheering and his dying?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 3:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they cheer because he died? Yesish Did they cheer although he died? No..for some maybe, but mostly no Was there any direct connection between their cheering and his dying? Yes
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 3:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he die for a cause? Did he do something dangerous? Was he killed? executed? Did he die by accident? Did he die by natural causes?

Did they cry because they were sad? Did they cry for another reason? Did they only pretend to cry?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 3:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he die for a cause? No Did he do something dangerous? Yeah I'd say he did Was he killed? Yes executed? No Did he die by accident? No Did he die by natural causes? No

Did they cry because they were sad? Yes Did they cry for another reason? This too Did they only pretend to cry? No
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Was he also cheering at the time of his death (or just before)? Was he a sports supporter or similar? Did the cheering contribute to the death in some way? If they had not cheered, would he still have been killed?
SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
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Was he the only one to die?

Did they subsequently find something out about him that led to their change of heart?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Did he do anything illegal? Was killing of him the illegal move? Legal (for example, sentenced to death)?

Did their change of heart come at the moment? How much after he died they started to cry - seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 5:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Howard:
Was he also cheering at the time of his death (or just before)? No Was he a sports supporter or similar? No, nice idea though Did the cheering contribute to the death in some way? No If they had not cheered, would he still have been killed? Yes

SmarterBrother:
Was he the only one to die? Yes

Did they subsequently find something out about him that led to their change of heart? Yes
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Did he do anything illegal? Yes Was killing of him the illegal move? Noish Legal (for example, sentenced to death)? Yesish

Did their change of heart come at the moment? No How much after he died they started to cry - seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Maybe a day or two?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Approximate year relevant?

Did he die in a duel?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Approximate year relevant? Most probably contemporary, beyond that not really relevant.

Did he die in a duel? Noish
Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Did he have dangerous ideas? Did he go into dangerous terrain? Did he get in contact with dangerous items? Did he get into the way of dangerous people?

Is this a true story? Is he a historical figure?
Bojan Basic (Bojan_Basic)
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Was he arrested? Or the police tried to arrest him, and he resisted? Did he have a court?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Did he have dangerous ideas? In the political sense? No. But yesish in a more general sense. Did he go into dangerous terrain? Yope Did he get in contact with dangerous items? Yope Did he get into the way of dangerous people? Yesish

Is this a true story? No Is he a historical figure? No
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Was he arrested? No Or the police tried to arrest him, and he resisted? Noish Did he have a court? No
Clycking (Clycking)
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wartime?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Wartime? No
SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he thought to be guilty of something
but later, between his death and his funeral,
found to be innocent?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Was he thought to be guilty of something
but later, between his death and his funeral,
found to be innocent? Yope
SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
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Is it relevant how he died - shot? stabbed? poisoned? burnt? electrocuted?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Is it relevant how he died Yes - shot? Yes stabbed? poisoned? burnt? electrocuted? So no to rest
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Was he also armed with a gun at the time of his death? Was he shot at point-blank range? Or from a distance?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Was he also armed with a gun at the time of his death? Yes, but.. Was he shot at point-blank range? Or from a distance? From a distance, but not that far away
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Did he have a fake gun? Was his killer a police officer?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Did he have a fake gun? Yes! Was his killer a police officer? Yes!
Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Is this a theater scene? Did the police officer have a real gun altough he should have a fake gun as well? Did the audience cheer because they thought the actor's "performance" was so great, but then they found out he was really dead?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Is this a theater scene? Yope Did the police officer have a real gun Yes although he should have a fake gun as well? No Did the audience cheer because they thought the actor's "performance" was so great, but then they found out he was really dead? No
Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Did they make a movie?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Did they make a movie? No
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
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Wild stab...

Is this based on a computer game?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 2:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So a policeman shots a guy he thinks is drawing?/holding?/threatening someone with? a gun?
Later it is dicovered that it is a fake and there was no reason to shoot him?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Is this based on a computer game? No

So a policeman shots a guy he thinks is drawing?/holding?/threatening someone with? a gun? Yes, he does all of these
Later it is dicovered that it is a fake and there was no reason to shoot him? Yes. there's more to it though..
ian hepworth
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was he acting?
did the policeman know who he was?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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was he acting? No
did the policeman know who he was? Yes
ian hepworth
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did he know he was going to die?
was he an illusionist
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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did he know he was going to die? Yopeish..he might have
was he an illusionist No
Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Was he murdered?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Was he murdered? Not murder, no. He was shot at, but the policeman who killed him isn't going to have to stand trial for it.
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Was the policeman a "real" policeman with a real gun?
Was there a criminal situation like a robbery, shooting,..?
If so: was this situation a fake (not just because of his gun)?

Place relevant? Other people/items relevant?
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Jumping in ....

Is this something called "suicide by cop"? Where someone who wishes to end their own life does so by pretending to be a lethal threat in the hope that a policeman will kill them?
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Was the policeman a "real" policeman with a real gun? Yes
Was there a criminal situation like a robbery, shooting,..? Yes. (not robbery or shooting, though)
If so: was this situation a fake (not just because of his gun)? No

Place relevant? Sort of Other people/items relevant? Yesish..

Jumping in ....

Is this something called "suicide by cop"? Where someone who wishes to end their own life does so by pretending to be a lethal threat in the hope that a policeman will kill them? Nope
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Was it obvious to onlookers that the shot guy was using a fake gun?
Was the shot guy using the fake gun in pursuit of a crime? Was he actually pretending to have a gun? Or was he doing something and the cop looked on & thought he was using a gun?
Were people cheering at the time of the shooting because they thought a man with a gun had been stopped from comitting a crime? Are 'they' just people in general? OR a specific crowd who witnesses the incident?
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Was it obvious to onlookers that the shot guy was using a fake gun? No
Was the shot guy using the fake gun in pursuit of a crime? No Was he actually pretending to have a gun? Yes Or was he doing something and the cop looked on & thought he was using a gun? No
Were people cheering at the time of the shooting because they thought a man with a gun had been stopped from comitting a crime? Yes Are 'they' just people in general? OR a specific crowd who witnesses the incident? There was a specific crowd who cheered, then a more general "they" who cried.
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From earlier, there were a few hundred people in this place to witness the incident, and they ALL knew the gunman? In the sense of him being famous? Or just in the sense of knowing him as 'the man with the (subesquently found to be fake) gun'?
Is location relevant?
A park?
A sports stadium?
Theatre?
TV studio?
Is the assumption correct that the policeman fired on the man in the impression that he posed a threat? To the policeman himself? to a particular person? To more than one person? To the crowd of observers?
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From earlier, there were a few hundred people in this place to witness the incident, and they ALL knew the gunman? Most of them would know him In the sense of him being famous? Yes Or just in the sense of knowing him as 'the man with the (subesquently found to be fake) gun'? No, they'd known him before that
Is location relevant? Yesish
A park?
A sports stadium?
Theatre? This
TV studio?
Is the assumption correct that the policeman fired on the man in the impression that he posed a threat? Yes To the policeman himself? Yes to a particular person? To more than one person? Yes To the crowd of observers? Yes
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A theatrical performance? But we've established that the policeman was genuine, right? Was the dead man an actor? Did the policeman not realise there was a performance? Did the audience think at the time that the shooting was part of the act?
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A theatrical performance? There was one, yes But we've established that the policeman was genuine, right? Correct Was the dead man an actor? No Did the policeman not realise there was a performance? The policeman isn't mistaken about anything except the gun Did the audience think at the time that the shooting was part of the act? No
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Is the type of theatrical performance relevant? A play? Magic Act? Circus-type act?
Was the dead man an active participant in the performance until the shooting? Did he enter the theatre as a member of the public? Or did he work in this theatre in some capacity? Relevant?
Were there actors on the stage at the time of the shooting?
Was the dead man on stage when shot? In the audience? Backstage?
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Were the crowd cheering the shooting of the dead man? Or were they cheering the performance?
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Is the type of theatrical performance relevant? No A play? Let's say this. Magic Act? Circus-type act?
Was the dead man an active participant in the performance until the shooting? No Did he enter the theatre as a member of the public? Yes Or did he work in this theatre in some capacity? No Relevant? Yes
Were there actors on the stage at the time of the shooting? Probably. Irrel though
Was the dead man on stage when shot? Yes In the audience? Backstage?

Were the crowd cheering the shooting of the dead man? Yes Or were they cheering the performance? No
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Some rather-keen-to-get-his-point-across critic? :-)
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Some rather-keen-to-get-his-point-across critic? :-) Haha, nope
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But this was a famous man who nevertheless entered the theatre/play as a spectator rather than performer?
And went onto the stage?
Ex-employee of the theatre or cast?
Did the man storm the stage? or was he invited up?
Is it usual to have an armed police officer present at a normal showing of a play (even in America)? Or was the officer called to the disturbance?
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But this was a famous man who nevertheless entered the theatre/play as a spectator rather than performer? Aye
And went onto the stage? Yes
Ex-employee of the theatre or cast? No
Did the man storm the stage? Yes or was he invited up? No
Is it usual to have an armed police officer present at a normal showing of a play (even in America)? Or was the officer called to the disturbance? He was called
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Prior to this incident, would the man have been considered a 'good guy' by the general public?
At the funeral, was the crying for the loss of someone famous, considered by the public with affection? Or for the tragedy of a mistaken killing? Or both? (immediate friends & family notwithstanding)
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Prior to this incident, would the man have been considered a 'good guy' by the general public? No
At the funeral, was the crying for the loss of someone famous, considered by the public with affection? No Or for the tragedy of a mistaken killing? Yes, and also something else Or both? (immediate friends & family notwithstanding)
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Is it relevant to the scenario determine exactly why this man was famous?
Was he connected with the theatre (not necessarily this specific theatre)? Entertainment?
Politics?
Royalty?
Sport?
Was any of the upset at the funeral connected with the fact that (presumably) the performance was curtailed?
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Is it relevant to the scenario determine exactly why this man was famous? Yes
Was he connected with the theatre (not necessarily this specific theatre)? No Entertainment?
Politics?
Royalty?
Sport? None of these
Was any of the upset at the funeral connected with the fact that (presumably) the performance was curtailed? No
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Hmmm.... needs thought.
(but I suppose that's the general idea!)

was the dead man actively known as a 'bad guy', e.g. gangster?
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was the dead man actively known as a 'bad guy', e.g. gangster? Something like that, yes
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Was the other cause of sadness (other than the mistaken killing) because of something that happened to the
Theatre?
Policeman?
Audience?
performing players?
During (? Or after?) the killing?
Or did the bad man's demise have some other unfortunate consequence, otherwise unconnected with the people at the scene?
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Was the other cause of sadness (other than the mistaken killing) because of something that happened to the
Theatre?
Policeman?
Audience?
performing players?
During (? Or after?) the killing? No to all
Or did the bad man's demise have some other unfortunate consequence, otherwise unconnected with the people at the scene? No
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is the shot guy a reporter?
is he known for carrying a gun?
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is the shot guy a reporter? No
is he known for carrying a gun? No
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Is Gangster a suitably accurate description of the shot guy? Or do we need do discover more specific information about his 'profession'?
It's true to say a some people were crying at the funeral due to the tragedy of a mistaken killing, right?
And I think it's true to say some people were crying for another reason, right?
Would the people crying for the other reason be likely to be also sad because of the mistaken killing?
Was the other reason something about the shot man?
Something about a relative of the shot man?
Something about the policeman?
Something about the theatre?
Something about the play?
Something about another person or persons not yet discovered by us?
(I know this line of investigation is close to another post of mine, but I thought maybe I need to rephrase)
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Is Gangster a suitably accurate description of the shot guy? Or do we need do discover more specific information about his 'profession'? Not exactly a gangster, but is known for committing crimes and generally disrupting the peace
It's true to say a some people were crying at the funeral due to the tragedy of a mistaken killing, right?
And I think it's true to say some people were crying for another reason, right?
No, there weren't different groups of people crying for different reasons. They were all crying for the same reason--the mistaken killing, yes, but it runs a bit deeper than just that.
Would the people crying for the other reason be likely to be also sad because of the mistaken killing? See above
Was the other reason something about the shot man? Yes
Something about a relative of the shot man?
Something about the policeman? Yope
Something about the theatre?
Something about the play?
Something about another person or persons not yet discovered by us? Yesish
(I know this line of investigation is close to another post of mine, but I thought maybe I need to rephrase)Sure, no problem
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I really need to watch my phrasing...
Is there another person relevant to the scenario who has not yet been discovered? Or more than one person?
Is there something pertinent yet to be discovered about the Gangster (kinda)?
Is there something relevant yet to be discovered about the policeman?
Were the policeman and the shot man previously connected in some way before the shooting?
Did the shot man have some other redeeming quality to add to the sadness? A wife? children?
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I really need to watch my phrasing...
Is there another person relevant to the scenario who has not yet been discovered? Or more than one person? This
Is there something pertinent yet to be discovered about the Gangster (kinda)? Yes
Is there something relevant yet to be discovered about the policeman? Noish
Were the policeman and the shot man previously connected in some way before the shooting? Noish
Did the shot man have some other redeeming quality to add to the sadness? Yes A wife? No children? No
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Was the storming of the stage an incident unexpected by the cast of the play?
Was the storming of the stage because of some aspect of the play? Or some aspect of the cast? Or some aspect of the audience?
Was it a premeditated act? Did the gangster, when entering the play, intend to storm the stage? Did he intend to pretend he had a gun? Did he, in fact, pretend he had a gun? Or was this just the impression others got? (this may have been previously determined, but can't see it)
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Was the storming of the stage an incident unexpected by the cast of the play? Yes
Was the storming of the stage because of some aspect of the play? No Or some aspect of the cast? No Or some aspect of the audience? No
Was it a premeditated act? Probably not Did the gangster, when entering the play, intend to storm the stage? Probably not Did he intend to pretend he had a gun? He might have, irrel though Did he, in fact, pretend he had a gun? Yes Or was this just the impression others got? No(this may have been previously determined, but can't see it)
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Was the storming of the stage connected with some aspect of the play?
Content?
Cast?
author?
Scenery?
dialog?
Did he come to the play alone? With one other person? more than one?
If he was accompanied, did some interaction with the other party lead to the storming of the stage?
Were facts discovered about the man subsequently to the shooting which would be likely to change people's perception of the man?
Was the policeman generally accepted to have acted with good intention at the time of the shooting (? and later?)
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Was the man shot an undercover cop(or other law enforcemant or good guy?) posing as 'gangster' or other sort of bad guy?
If so, was he on the same force as the guy who shot him?
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Mike:
Was the storming of the stage connected with some aspect of the play? No
Content?
Cast?
author?
Scenery?
dialog? No to all
Did he come to the play alone? Yes With one other person? more than one?
If he was accompanied, did some interaction with the other party lead to the storming of the stage? So no to all these
Were facts discovered about the man subsequently to the shooting which would be likely to change people's perception of the man? Yes
Was the policeman generally accepted to have acted with good intention at the time of the shooting (? and later?)Yes

Solane:
Was the man shot an undercover cop(or other law enforcemant or good guy?) posing as 'gangster' or other sort of bad guy? No
If so, was he on the same force as the guy who shot him?
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Was the storming of the stage connected with some grievance against the theatre? Or some other member of the audience?
The subsequent discovery about the man which changed people's perceptions - something other than just the fact he'd been killed when mistaken for a man with a gun?
Did the shopt man leave a will? Or other statement to be made public after his death?
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Was the storming of the stage connected with some grievance against the theatre? No Or some other member of the audience? No
The subsequent discovery about the man which changed people's perceptions - something other than just the fact he'd been killed when mistaken for a man with a gun? yes, there is something else
Did the shot man leave a will? No Or other statement to be made public after his death? No..ish, could almost be a yope
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Did the gangster bring the fake gun? Did he find it in the theatre? on the stage? Did he know it was fake? Did he intend to kill someone? Did he do this to get attention?

Did he threaten a specific person? Did he threaten everybody in the theatre? Did he do the threatening in a controlled way? Did he seem to have strong emotions? Did he seem to be insane?

Did he say something? shout something? demand something? Did he take hostages?
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was the policeman and the man he shot dead related?
was the shot man trying to stop a crime rather than commit one?
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Christiane:
Did the gangster bring the fake gun? Yes Did he find it in the theatre? No on the stage? No Did he know it was fake? Probably Did he intend to kill someone? No Did he do this to get attention? No

Did he threaten a specific person? No Did he threaten everybody in the theatre? Yes Did he do the threatening in a controlled way? No Did he seem to have strong emotions? Yes Did he seem to be insane? Yes

Did he say something? shout something? demand something? He did quite a bit of shouting that was largely incoherent Did he take hostages? No

Ian:
was the policeman and the man he shot dead related? No
was the shot man trying to stop a crime rather than commit one? No
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Story so far (stop me if I'm wrong...)
A man who is well known as a criminal and generally bad person goes to the theatre alone and during a performance he storms the stage, pretending he has a gun and threatening the audience and cast. A policeman is called, who shoots the man dead. The crowd, who were fearing for their lives, cheered the actions of the policeman.
Is the man's actual reason for storming the stage relevant? Did the man storm the stage to cause distress to the others? As one of his acts of 'badness'? Or did he have a deeper reason for storming the stage?
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Did the gangster want to be seen as an actor? Did he want to be shot? imprisoned?

Did he only act insane? Had he been insane in the past?

Did he feel strong emotions? Did he only act as if he was emotional?

His emotions:
fear? rage? pain? sorrow? dolor? happiness? reluctance? wrath? surprise? shame? contempt? guilt? interest? curiosity? envy? lust? loneliness?
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Was there an bomb/explosive in the theatre? Was he trying to disperse the mob by faking a shoot out? though he was notorious he might not wanted the destruction because someone close to him was in the theatre?
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Mike:
Story so far (stop me if I'm wrong...)
A man who is well known as a criminal and generally bad person goes to the theatre alone and during a performance he storms the stage,Yes pretending he has a gun well yes, he waves a fake gun and threatening the audience and cast. Yes A policeman is called, who shoots the man dead. correct The crowd, who were fearing for their lives, cheered the actions of the policeman.Yes
Is the man's actual reason for storming the stage relevant? not really, though there is an element of yopeishness Did the man storm the stage to cause distress to the others? Maybe As one of his acts of 'badness'? Maybe Or did he have a deeper reason for storming the stage? Sort of..quite yopeish really

Christiane:
Did the gangster want to be seen as an actor? No Did he want to be shot? No imprisoned? No

Did he only act insane? NO Had he been insane in the past? YES, but..

Did he feel strong emotions? Hmm. Perhaps Did he only act as if he was emotional? Not really

His emotions: rather complex, I think
fear? rage? maybe this? pain? Could be this as well sorrow? and this too dolor? happiness? reluctance? wrath? surprise? shame? contempt? guilt? interest? curiosity? envy? lust? loneliness? well...maybe

Sairam:
Was there an bomb/explosive in the theatre? No Was he trying to disperse the mob by faking a shoot out? No though he was notorious he might not wanted the destruction because someone close to him was in the theatre? No
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Was he insane immediately before he entered the theatre?
Was he insane at the time of the shooting?
Did something during the play drive him insane (again)?
Were the people upset because, as an insane person, he would be considered less responsible for his actions? Or less 'responsible' for the mistaken shooting?
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Was he insane immediately before he entered the theatre? Yes
Was he insane at the time of the shooting? Yes
Did something during the play drive him insane (again)? No
Were the people upset because, as an insane person, he would be considered less responsible for his actions? Yes Or less 'responsible' for the mistaken shooting? Yes
There's still more to it though...remember some of the yopes regarding the police..
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But the public were crying because the mad,bad man was dead, right?
Were they also crying because of something the policeman did after the shooting?
Or something that was done to the policeman after the shooting?
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Did he become insane shortly before this happened?
Did he get some piece of information shortly before this happened?
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Mike:
But the public were crying because the mad,bad man was dead, right? Yes...
Were they also crying because of something the policeman did after the shooting? No
Or something that was done to the policeman after the shooting? No

Christiane:
Did he become insane shortly before this happened? NO..ish
Did he get some piece of information shortly before this happened? No
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Had he always been insane? Had he been insane at intervals, i.e. were there times when he was insane, then times when he wasn't and so on? Had he been attested that he was cured from his insanity? Was there a different kind of insanity in his past?
Did he take medicaments before the theatre action? Was there a certain medicament he should have taken but didn't?
Was there a therapy in the past? If yes: method of therapy relevant?
Shot in the dark: Some kind of brainwashing relevant?
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Had he always been insane? Yesish Had he been insane at intervals, i.e. were there times when he was insane, then times when he wasn't and so on? No Had he been attested that he was cured from his insanity? No Was there a different kind of insanity in his past? No
Did he take medicaments before the theatre action? No Was there a certain medicament he should have taken but didn't? Noish
Was there a therapy in the past? NO If yes: method of therapy relevant?
Shot in the dark: Some kind of brainwashing relevant? No
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IS the yesish in the last post just that at some stage in the past, e.g. in his youth, when the guy was not insane, but had since become insane? And was still insane on the fateful day?
Any hypnosis involved?
There wasn't therapy in the past, but should there have been? Was some scheduled therapy missed by the man? Or some planned for the near future, but this incident happened before he could undergo it?
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IS the yesish in the last post just that at some stage in the past, e.g. in his youth, when the guy was not insane, but had since become insane? No And was still insane on the fateful day? Yes
Any hypnosis involved? No
There wasn't therapy in the past, but should there have been? Yes Was some scheduled therapy missed by the man? No Or some planned for the near future, but this incident happened before he could undergo it? No
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Is his insanity something that has to be triggered by certain circumstances?
Had his insanity been diagnosed by someone?
Did anybody know that he was insane?
Was his being a gangster-like person a result of his insanity?
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Is his insanity something that has to be triggered by certain circumstances? No
Had his insanity been diagnosed by someone? Yes..
Did anybody know that he was insane? Yes, but explore
Was his being a gangster-like person a result of his insanity? Yes
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I assume there's more to it than simply that people were upset because, although known as a bad person, it wasn't known that he had mental problems as a mitigating circumstance?
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Multiple personality disorder relevant?
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Did the policeman have any other reason to shoot him other than the obvious one?

Was there anyone who was related somehow to both the policeman and the insane man?

Is there anything more to discover about the moment of shooting?
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Did a specific person (? or small group?) know he was insane?
Did the theatre audience, prior to the incident, know he was insane?
Did the policeman, prior to the incident, know he was insane?
(possibly been covered, but...)Did the man have family? Did they know he was insane?
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Did he know that the gun was fake?
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I assume there's more to it than simply that people were upset because, although known as a bad person, it wasn't known that he had mental problems as a mitigating circumstance? Yes, more to it

Multiple personality disorder relevant? No

Did the policeman have any other reason to shoot him other than the obvious one? No

Was there anyone who was related somehow to both the policeman and the insane man? Hmm..I'd say yope

Is there anything more to discover about the moment of shooting? No

Did a specific person (? or small group?) know he was insane? Yes
Did the theatre audience, prior to the incident, know he was insane? No
Did the policeman, prior to the incident, know he was insane? Might have, but probably not
(possibly been covered, but...)Did the man have family? Irrel Did they know he was insane? but if he had, the answer to this would be no

Did he know that the gun was fake? Irrel
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Would he help to somebody anyhow if he were still alive? Did "they" change their mind about him because of feeling sorry or because they realized that they lost something what he could provide?
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Did one person know he was insane?
Did a small group of people know he was insane?
Was it secret that this person (or persons) kept from others?
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Would he help to somebody anyhow if he were still alive? No Did "they" change their mind about him because of feeling sorry or because they realized that they lost something what he could provide? the former

Did one person know he was insane? Yes
Did a small group of people know he was insane? And yes
Was it secret that this person (or persons) kept from others? Not exactly secret, but..
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Did he want the knowledge about his insanity to be kept from someone? a group? the public?
Relevant who diagnosed his insanity? Did this person exert some kind of pressure on him?
Did somebody (who knew about his insanity?) force him to commit criminal actions? Did somebody (who knew about his insanity?) cover up his criminal actions?
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Did he want the knowledge about his insanity to be kept from someone? No, and FA a group? FA the public? FA
Relevant who diagnosed his insanity? Yesish.. Did this person exert some kind of pressure on him? No
Did somebody (who knew about his insanity?) force him to commit criminal actions? No Did somebody (who knew about his insanity?) cover up his criminal actions? No
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The FA:
Did he, himself, know about his insanity?
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The FA:
Did he, himself, know about his insanity? Yes, this is the FA--he didn't
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Did he act insane, or he looked quite normal but in his medical files there was written that he was insane?

Did the guy who diagnosed his insanity have any connections with the policeman? Is he the "yope" from the answer from August 06, 2006 - 11:48?

Did the storming the stage (with the fake gun) was the act of insanity or he had a perfectly good reason for doing that?
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Did he act insane, Well I suppose anyone who stormed a stage waving a gun and shouting incoherently would look a bit insane or he looked quite normal but in his medical files there was written that he was insane? No

Did the guy who diagnosed his insanity have any connections with the policeman? Is he the "yope" from the answer from August 06, 2006 - 11:48? Yes, him and others

Did the storming the stage (with the fake gun) was the act of insanity or he had a perfectly good reason for doing that? Act of insanity
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Were the group who knew of the man's insanity members of the police? Or connected with the police, e.g. police psychologists?
Did they know the policeman was heading to the scene? Did they know the likely outcome was that the man would be killed? And did nothing?
(Next q may have been covered)
Were the group (or one or more members of the group) present in the theatre at the time of the incident?
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It sounds like the man's 'insanity' may have also been a type of delusion (where he believes he is something that he is actually not)...is this the case?
So in his mind, was his act of storming the stage an act of heroics? bravery? courage? dangerous?
Did he think he was protecting anyone? Harming anyone?
When he first entered the theater, was he aware that a play was going to be put on? Or did he think he was going to witness an actual event (example: he went to a play about the Civil War thinking he was actually going to see the real war being fought)?
When he got onto the stage, was his primary intention to simply take an opportunity to make something known to the onlookers? Take a hostage? Threaten the audience? Sacrifice himself in order to make a social statement?
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Were the group who knew of the man's insanity members of the police? Yes, some of themOr connected with the police, e.g. police psychologists? Yes
Did they know the policeman was heading to the scene? No, irrel Did they know the likely outcome was that the man would be killed? No And did nothing?
(Next q may have been covered)
Were the group (or one or more members of the group) present in the theatre at the time of the incident? No
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It sounds like the man's 'insanity' may have also been a type of delusion (where he believes he is something that he is actually not)...is this the case? Could be, but his type of insanity isn't really relevant
So in his mind, was his act of storming the stage an act of heroics? bravery? courage? dangerous? irrel
Did he think he was protecting anyone? Harming anyone? irrel
When he first entered the theater, was he aware that a play was going to be put on? Yes Or did he think he was going to witness an actual event (example: he went to a play about the Civil War thinking he was actually going to see the real war being fought)? No
When he got onto the stage, was his primary intention to simply take an opportunity to make something known to the onlookers? Take a hostage? Threaten the audience? Sacrifice himself in order to make a social statement? None of these, probably just a sudden desire to join in the fun on stage
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So what else do we need to know?
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So what else do we need to know?
It's almost done now, just a bit more about what happened to him prior to the event that made the public so upset
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Seomthing happened to the man prior to the event?
Did this happen in the theatre? Or before the visit to the theatre?
Some good news given to him? Or some bad news?
Something concerning his mental health? Or physical health? Something concerning his criminal life?
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Seomthing happened to the man prior to the event? Yesish
Did this happen in the theatre? No Or before the visit to the theatre? Yes
Some good news given to him? No Or some bad news? No
Something concerning his mental health? Yes Or physical health? No Something concerning his criminal life? Yes
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But just for clarity, before the theatre visit, the man himself didn't know he was insane? And didn't know a group of people considered him insane? And during the theatre visit, he didn't find out he was (or was considered) insane?
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But just for clarity, before the theatre visit, the man himself didn't know he was insane? Correct And didn't know a group of people considered him insane? Yes And during the theatre visit, he didn't find out he was (or was considered) insane? Right
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Yet, something happened to him which related to his mental health, and (? or?) his criminal life, before the theatre visit?
Had he vowed to change his ways? Had he just been acquitted of some crime? Or convicted of some crime? Had he just got out of prison?
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Yet, something happened to him which related to his mental health, and (? or?) his criminal life, before the theatre visit? Yes
Had he vowed to change his ways? No Had he just been acquitted of some crime? No Or convicted of some crime? Yes, but not just Had he just got out of prison? Yes, explore
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Was he an escaped convict? Fugitive? Terrorist? Were the police/authorities actively searching for him? Were the police AND psychiatrists both looking for him, hoping to get him safely into a mental institution before he committed any more crimes?
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Was he an escaped convict? Fugitive? Terrorist? Were the police/authorities actively searching for him? Were the police AND psychiatrists both looking for him, hoping to get him safely into a mental institution before he committed any more crimes? No to all..go just a little bit further back in his past
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Is his past employment relevant? His family? Specific actions he took in the past? His age?
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Is his past employment relevant? No His family? No Specific actions he took in the past? No His age? No
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Did the man speak the same language as everyone else in the theater?

You said that he had gotten out of prison and had been convicted of a crime...had this happened just before the theater incident? Was he on parole? Is anything about his childhood relevant? His criminal record?
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Did the man speak the same language as everyone else in the theater? Yes

You said that he had gotten out of prison and had been convicted of a crime...had this happened just before the theater incident? Yes Was he on parole? No Is anything about his childhood relevant? No His criminal record? Not really. It wasn't very good, and this indirectly contributed to something, but beyond that not too significant
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Had he been officially/legally released from prison? Did he escape? However he got out of prison, was it in the same 24 hours as when he went to the theater? The next day? Later than that? Is it relevant how long he spent in prison? Whay type of prison? Location?
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Had he been officially/legally released from prison? Yes Did he escape? No However he got out of prison, was it in the same 24 hours as when he went to the theater? Could be, not too significant The next day? Later than that? Is it relevant how long he spent in prison? Not the exact length, no; general length relevant, but not extremely so What type of prison? No Location? No
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Had he been in prison for years? months? days?
Was he put in prison for an act motivated by his insanity? For something else?
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Had he been in prison for years? This months? days?
Was he put in prison for an act motivated by his insanity? Yesish For something else?
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Allright so he was imprisoned for years during some part of his life. Was it known before he was sent to prison that he was insane? Established at a trial? Established during his prison term?

Was the theater just a random place for him to go? Or was it a premeditated destination? Had he planned to go there for some time? Could he just have easily have chosen another type of theater, like a cinema? Or was a live action theater necessary, in his opinion?

Was his intention always to go up onto the stage with a gun, or did this idea occur to him at some point after he went into the theater?

Did he go to the theater alone? Meet someone else there? Was taken there by someone else and then that person did not stay? Did anyone who knew the man see him enter the theater?
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Allright so he was imprisoned for years during some part of his life. Yes Was it known before he was sent to prison that he was insane? No Established at a trial? No Established during his prison term? YES

Was the theater just a random place for him to go? Yes Or was it a premeditated destination? No Had he planned to go there for some time? No Could he just have easily have chosen another type of theater, like a cinema? Yes Or was a live action theater necessary, in his opinion? No

Was his intention always to go up onto the stage with a gun, or did this idea occur to him at some point after he went into the theater? Probably spontaneous

Did he go to the theater alone? Yes Meet someone else there? No Was taken there by someone else and then that person did not stay? No Did anyone who knew the man see him enter the theater? Knew = recognised him as an ex-convict? Probably. Seen by someone who knew him personally..probably not.
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Can't get anywhere! Relevant where this took place?
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Can't get anywhere! Relevant where this took place? Not really, could happen in most developed countries
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Was he released from prison early because it had been determined while there that, as he was insane, he wasn't legally as responsible for his actions?
Did the prison authorities release him without making it public that it was because he was discovered insane?
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Was he released from prison early because it had been determined while there that, as he was insane, he wasn't legally as responsible for his actions? NO
Did the prison authorities release him without making it public that it was because he was discovered insane? FA
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Had he in fact served his full sentence? But an organisation (connected with the prison? or connected with the police?) knew he was insane and should therefore have been released earlier? Or shouldn't have served time at all?
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Had he in fact served his full sentence? Yes But an organisation (connected with the prison? or connected with the police?) knew he was insane and should therefore have been released earlier? Or shouldn't have served time at all? Some flaws in this sentence...revise?
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Ok, we'll try to nail this bit
The man had fairly recently been release from prison, correct?
After serving a full term for a crime, probably one of many in his past?
At the time of his conviction, was it known to the group that he was insane?
Were this group in a position to make this information public? If so, would this have affected the verdict and/or sentence?
During his sentence, did this group discover his insanity?
If so, would their making this knowlege public have resulted in release of the man? Or reversal of the verdict?
Did the group discover after the man's release that he was insane?
Were the group actively keeping this information secret (whenever it became known)?
Or were they in the process of making it known (or attempting to make it known) at the time of the incident?
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Ok, we'll try to nail this bit
The man had fairly recently been release from prison, correct? Yes
After serving a full term for a crime, probably one of many in his past? Indeed
At the time of his conviction, was it known to the group that he was insane? Not yet, also explore your 'group'
Were this group in a position to make this information public? Yes If so, would this have affected the verdict and/or sentence? Yes
During his sentence, did this group discover his insanity? Yes
If so, would their making this knowlege public have resulted in release of the man? Or reversal of the verdict? Treatment and possible release
Did the group discover after the man's release that he was insane? No
Were the group actively keeping this information secret (whenever it became known)? Yesish, but not really 'actively'
Or were they in the process of making it known (or attempting to make it known) at the time of the incident? No
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Were the group of people who discovered the man's insanity a group from inside the prison?
Were they prison officials? Other inmates?
Were the group attempting to make the man's insanity public, but constrained?
If prison officials - by some government office?
If prison inmates - because the information couldn't get out of the prison?
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Were the group of people who discovered the man's insanity a group from inside the prison? Yes
Were they prison officials? SomeOther inmates? No
Were the group attempting to make the man's insanity public, but constrained? Could be a yesish but could also be a no, explore 'group'
If prison officials - by some government office? No
If prison inmates - because the information couldn't get out of the prison?
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So, was this group composed of prison officials? and police? and prison psychologists?
Was this a defined group, put together for the purpose of determining mental state of prisoners?
Or just some of the people in the prison who discovered he was insane? Or some people connected with the case which led to his imprisonment?
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So, was this group composed of prison officials? Some and police? Some and prison psychologists? One
Was this a defined group, put together for the purpose of determining mental state of prisoners? Well the prison psychologist was
Or just some of the people in the prison who discovered he was insane? Or some people connected with the case which led to his imprisonment?
Twas one prison psychologist and a few high ranking prison officials etc
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Was there some disagreement among some members of this group as to his mental state?
Did the group actually make it known to the prison authorities?
But not to the public at large?
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Was there some disagreement among some members of this group as to his mental state? No
Did the group actually make it known to the prison authorities? Yesish, but..
But not to the public at large? No, the public didn't know yet
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Was the knowlege of his insanity in the process of being made public at the time of the incident?
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Was the knowlege of his insanity in the process of being made public at the time of the incident? NO
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Were any other inmates released at the same time as the insane man?
Did the man learn or hear about anything during his term that influenced his actions after his release?
Was there a relevant action/actions taken by the man between the time of his departure from the prison facility and his arrival at the theater?
Is it relevant or helpful to know when and where he got the gun?
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Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Follow-up crazy (ha ha) thought - For some reason, had somebody given him the gun after he left prison in order to see what he would do with it, if he would threaten anyone? I'm thinking maybe the whole thing was a psychology experiment gone terribly wrong....
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Were any other inmates released at the same time as the insane man? No, irrel
Did the man learn or hear about anything during his term that influenced his actions after his release? YOPE, tweak this!
Was there a relevant action/actions taken by the man between the time of his departure from the prison facility and his arrival at the theater? No
Is it relevant or helpful to know when and where he got the gun? No
Follow-up crazy (ha ha) thought - For some reason, had somebody given him the gun after he left prison in order to see what he would do with it, if he would threaten anyone? No I'm thinking maybe the whole thing was a psychology experiment gone terribly wrong....No, but good idea

It's really not as complicated as all this..all the relevant information has more or less been found out, there's just one last little piece left!
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Did the man actually know he had been assessed inside prison?
If so, did he know the decision had been taken that he was insane?
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Did the man actually know he had been assessed inside prison? Well, he was aware that there was someone speaking to him, but he may not have known that it was the prison psychologist
If so, did he know the decision had been taken that he was insane? No
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Did the man find out after his release that he should have been treated & released earlier?
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Did the man find out after his release that he should have been treated & released earlier? No..
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Did the man think that he was a bad person who shouldn't have been let out of prison at all?
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Did the man think that he was a bad person who shouldn't have been let out of prison at all? No.. focus on that yope question earlier!
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ok, missed the capitals earlier
The man was spoken to during his prison term by a person (or collection of people), who were attempting to assess his sanity, correct?
Was the man, during his term, trying plead insanity?
Did he try to plead insanity at his trial?
Did the group (or person) who spoke to him in prison tell him he was sane? or insane?
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ok, missed the capitals earlier
The man was spoken to during his prison term by a person just one, a prison psychologist(or collection of people), who were attempting to assess his sanity, correct? correct
Was the man, during his term, trying plead insanity? No
Did he try to plead insanity at his trial? No
Did the group (or person) who spoke to him in prison tell him he was sane? or insane? Nothing about his mental state was told to him
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Was he told that he was due to be released?
Was the man actually on permanent release from prison? Or on bail?
Was he told something to the effect that further bad acts would lead to long-term prison in future?
Was he told something to the effect that future bad acts would not lead to prison?
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Was he told that he was due to be released? No
Was the man actually on permanent release from prison? Yes Or on bail?
Was he told something to the effect that further bad acts would lead to long-term prison in future? No
Was he told something to the effect that future bad acts would not lead to prison? No

Focus on the second half of the yope question!
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erm, I'll try...
The man was told something by the prison psychologist, right?
Did this influence his actions while still in prison?
Did he change his behaviour in prison, become a good guy?
Or did he become worse in prison?
Did he do physical harm to himself? To the psychologist?
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erm, I'll try...
The man was told something by the prison psychologist, right? No, he wasn't
Did this influence his actions while still in prison? yope, and FA
Did he change his behaviour in prison, YES become a good guy? No
Or did he become worse in prison? YES, but depends what you mean by worse
Did he do physical harm to himself? No To the psychologist? No
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Ok - did they 'mess with his mind' in prison? brainwash him? convince him he was something he actually wasn't?

Was he part of an experiment while in prison? Was the psychiatrist trying to force the man to act a certain way after his release?

Just to clarify: was EVERYONE sad that the man had been killed after they learned he was really insane? Was ANYONE happy that he died?
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Ok - did they 'mess with his mind' in prison? Yes..ish brainwash him? No convince him he was something he actually wasn't? No

Was he part of an experiment while in prison? No Was the psychiatrist trying to force the man to act a certain way after his release? No

Just to clarify: was EVERYONE sad that the man had been killed after they learned he was really insane? Yes Was ANYONE happy that he died? A few maybe, but not exactly happy, just not too sad
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Was the man considered a "hopeless case" by those who monitored him while in prison?

Would he have been considered insane before being put into prison? During any past crimes he committed? Had he committed crimes while fully aware of what he was doing, and what penalty he would face if caught and convicted?
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Was the man considered a "hopeless case" by those who monitored him while in prison? No, not at all!

Would he have been considered insane before being put into prison? Yes, BUT... During any past crimes he committed? Yes Had he committed crimes while fully aware of what he was doing, and what penalty he would face if caught and convicted? Hard to say...maybe a yesish or yope
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Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 4:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So maybe...he was put into prison because he committed a crime and was found to be insane? Then he was put through psychiatric rehab while in prison? And someone hoped they had "cured him"? But he really wasn't "cured"? Did he go into prison only "slightly insane", but come out "really insane"? Did he develop some kind of condition while in prison? Something like schizophrenia? bipolar personality? split personality? ADHD?
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So maybe...he was put into prison because he committed a crime Yes and was found to be insane? They only found out when he was already in prison Then he was put through psychiatric rehab while in prison? NO And someone hoped they had "cured him"? NO But he really wasn't "cured"? He wasn't Did he go into prison only "slightly insane", but come out "really insane"? YES Did he develop some kind of condition while in prison? His condition worsened Something like schizophrenia? bipolar personality? split personality? ADHD? Could be anything, irrel
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Actually I think almost all the info has been discovered...tie it all together?
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He was put into prison for a crime, supposed to undergo psychiatric rehab, but the person(s) responsible for the rehab gave up on him or didn't really want to cure him so they let him get worse so he'd ultimately be 'free' and make a fatal mistake?
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He was put into prison for a crime, supposed to undergo psychiatric rehab, but the person(s) responsible for the rehab gave up on him or didn't really want to cure him so they let him get worse so he'd ultimately be 'free' and make a fatal mistake? Not quite as malicious as this, but close enough for a...


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A man was sentenced to prison, where he was found to be slightly mentally unsound by the prison psychologist. However, he had been so rude and cocky towards everyone working in the prison that when the psych informed the top officials about his problem, they regarded it as far more convenient to ignore it, instead of bothering with rehab, therapy, review of prison sentence etc. Over the years, the confinement and harsh treatment aggravated his condition, such that when he left the prison a free man, he was a great deal more insane than when he went in. Shortly after his release, he decides to watch a play. Halfway through, however, he loses himself for a moment, leaps onto the stage, and waves his fake gun in the air, shouting and babbling incoherently. The crowd, seeing this known criminal behaving in such a threatening manner, panic, and policemen are called to the scene. Since the man seems to be armed, one of the policemen shoot him dead, and, relieved to be out of danger, the crowd cheers the policeman. A day or two later, however, the prison psych's conscience gets the better of him and he tells his story. The public, upset and indignant over this unnecessary death, weep.

The end!
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That's a good one, all the pieces were there it just took some thinking to make the connection.

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