| Author | Message | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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it always is, except for the birds | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Sorry, Admin! Forgot my name in the title again. | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Title relevant? Is this statement said by a particular person? Or just a general statement? Tone of resignation? Frustration? It always is, except sometimes the birds are present/absent? It always is, but this is not true in the case of the birds? Are these birds alive? Do they have a physical existence? Are they just birds in general? Birds kept as pets? Kind of birds relevant? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Title relevant? yes, very, but not completely necessary to solve Is this statement said by a particular person? yes Or just a general statement? Tone of resignation? <-thisFrustration? It always is, except sometimes the birds are present/absent? noIt always is, but this is not true in the case of the birds? noish Are these birds alive? yes Do they have a physical existence? yesAre they just birds in general? yes Birds kept as pets? no Kind of birds relevant? no | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Sam = Sam Greene? Is this referring to her puzzle Lost in Translation? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Sam = Sam Greene? Is this referring to her puzzle Lost in Translation? no | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Would it help to find out the identity of Sam? Real person? Male? Female? Dead? Alive? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Would it help to find out the identity of Sam? probably, to a degree Real person? yes Male? yes Female? noDead? Alive? Alive when puzzle statement made, whether he is currently alive in real time is irrelevant | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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upon further consideration, I've decided that the status of Sam's current existence could be relevent in one small matter--so to clarify, he was alive when the statement was made, but is now dead. | ||
| Robin Smith (Robin_smith)
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Is Sam famous? Would he be "playing it again" around the time of the relevant statement? Is the it an effect? an object? animal/vegitable/mineral? Would a human with wings be able to replace the birds in the statement? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Is Sam famous? noish Would he be "playing it again" around the time of the relevant statement? no, nice try Is the it an effect? yope an object? noanimal/vegitable/mineral? no Would a human with wings be able to replace the birds in the statement? no | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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So what is it about birds-- that they have feathers? beaks? that they are free? that they migrate when the weather changes? that they build nests? that they eat worms? that there are many of them? Does Sam always see many birds at a particular time? does he always see birds at different times? Does he always see them at a particular place? At different places? Do birds make Sam feel happy? Sad? Angry? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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So what is it about birds-- that they have feathers? beaks? that they are free? that they migrate when the weather changes? that they build nests? that they eat worms? that there are many of them? none of these Does Sam always see many birds at a particular time? FA does he always see birds at different times? FA Does he always see them at a particular place? FA At different places? FA Do birds make Sam feel happy? Sad? Angry? FA | ||
| Robin Smith (Robin_smith)
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is it an object? an image? a statement? revelant that birds fly? tweet? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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is it an object? an image? a statement? no to all revelant that birds fly? no tweet? YES | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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birds = animals, subject of ornitology? birds = humans? female? cagebirds? gallows birds? | ||
| Robin Smith (Robin_smith)
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is it always quiet except for the birds? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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birds = animals, subject of ornitology? yes birds = humans? female? cagebirds? gallows birds?no is it always quiet except for the birds? yes! | ||
| Robin Smith (Robin_smith)
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take it thats not the FA? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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take it thats not the FA? that what isn't the FA? The FA is not about the birds themselves, if that's what you mean | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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What else do we have to find out? The place? What happened there? Why it is quiet? Why there are birds? Is it a cemetery? A prison? Is there some lonely person? ...who is visited by someone? | ||
| Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Is the FA that Sam sees the birds? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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What else do we have to find out? The place? yesish What happened there? yesWhy it is quiet? yes Why there are birds? no Is it a cemetery? no A prison? no Is there some lonely person? ...who is visited by someone? no Is the FA that Sam sees the birds? yes Clarification: the puzzle statement is made in an apology to Sam. To solve the puzzle, you need determine the speaker, and the reason for and circumstances surrounding the statement | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Is it the speaker who is apologising to Sam? Is it an apology for wronging or hurting Sam in some way? Or is it an apology for using or paraphrasing the words of Sam (as in "with apologies to Dr Johnson")? Is any famous literature relevant at all? Is the speaker a famous person? Real? Male? Now dead? American? European? Did the speaker know Sam personally? Or just the words of Sam? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Is it the speaker who is apologising to Sam? yes Is it an apology for wronging or hurting Sam in some way? noish Or is it an apology for using or paraphrasing the words of Sam (as in "with apologies to Dr Johnson")? no Is any famous literature relevant at all? YES Is the speaker a famous person? yes Real? yes Male? yes Now dead? no, I believe he still lives American? yes European? noDid the speaker know Sam personally? yes Or just the words of Sam? see last answer | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Is the speaker related to Sam? A co-worker of Sam's? Is he a writer? A poet? Novelist? Diarist? Journalist? Is the text of the puzzle an exact quotation from the speaker's writings? Is it a written apology? A spoken one? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Is the speaker related to Sam? as in family? no A co-worker of Sam's? yesish Is he a writer? yes A poet? no Novelist? yes Diarist? no Journalist? no Is the text of the puzzle an exact quotation from the speaker's writings? YES Is it a written apology? yes A spoken one? no | ||
| Puzzllover |
Does it have anything to do with To Kill a Mockingbird? | ||
| Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
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Does it have anything to do with To Kill a Mockingbird? no | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
New member Username: Solane Post Number: 287 Registered: 5-2006 |
So the birds bother Sam with their noise, and somone apologizes? Or the silence bothers Sam? Was this(puzzle statemant) said recently? Was it spoken at all, or just written in the book? Would you expect anyone with a high scool education to have read the book in question? | ||
| Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 121 Registered: 6-2006 |
So the birds bother Sam with their noise, and somone apologizes? no, FA Or the silence bothers Sam? no, FA Was this(puzzle statemant) said recently? noish Was it spoken at all, or just written in the book? just in a book Would you expect anyone with a high scool education to have read the book in question? no, not anyone | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
New member Username: Solane Post Number: 296 Registered: 5-2006 |
Was the satemant said by someone in the book? But not in real life? Are Sam and the other person characters in the book? Just one? Sam? Would most people consiter the book classic literature? Is the author famous? Would you expect most of the people on this board to have heard of them? | ||
| Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 130 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was the satemant said by someone in the book? noish But not in real life? no Are Sam and the other person characters in the book? no Just one? no Sam? no Would most people consiter the book classic literature? yesish? many would. others may not use the word "classic"...but this is a better classification than comparing it to steven king or something. Is the author famous? yes Would you expect most of the people on this board to have heard of them? i should hope so, or I am sad for you all | ||
| Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 136 Registered: 6-2006 |
Hmm...been thinking and need to clarify the "classic literature" thing... The book in question is widely regarded as "classic literature," but depending on what you consider the definition of "classic" this may mislead. Many people don't consider a book classic until it is 50 years old (which this book is not) or unless the author is dead (which he is not). But it is a highly regarded literary work and it is not uncommon to be on a school's reading list if not part of the regular curriculum. Hope that helps. | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 350 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the statement found in the book but not in the text of the novel (it is a novel, isn't it?)? Was the statement given by the author? a critic? a reviewer? a reader? a person in real life? Is Sam the author? a critic? a reviewer? a reader? a person in real life? | ||
| Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 141 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is the statement found in the book but not in the text of the novel (it is a novel, isn't it?)? Hmm...hard to say...because of the author's style, you could argue that it is part of the text of the novel or that it's not. I say it is. And yes it is a novel. Was the statement given by the author? yes, by the author a critic? a reviewer? a reader? a person in real life? Is Sam the author? no a critic? no a reviewer? no a reader? yope...he will read the book, but that is not his primary relation to the author a person in real life? yes | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 354 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the statement found in the dedication of the book? In the introduction? In the afterword? Is Sam a writer, too? Is the book dedicated to him? Is it a tribute to Sam? Is it a parody of Sam's work/life/deeds? Does it in some way relate to a work/deed of Sam's? | ||
| Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 142 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is the statement found in the dedication of the book? no In the introduction? yes In the afterword? no Is Sam a writer, too? no Is the book dedicated to him? no Is it a tribute to Sam? np Is it a parody of Sam's work/life/deeds? no Does it in some way relate to a work/deed of Sam's? no | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 201 Registered: 6-2006 |
Okay...gotta get this thing rolling again, so here's a BIG old hint... The novel containing the puzzle statement was written in the 60s and was inspired by, although not really based on, a real life experience of the author that happened in the 40s | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 98 Registered: 10-2003 |
Was the experience of the author in the 40s anything to do with World War 2? Was he a soldier? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 212 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was the experience of the author in the 40s anything to do with World War 2?yes Was he a soldier?yes | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 21 Registered: 8-2006 |
Could someone tell me what FA means? Can't get anywhere with half of the clues without that | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 104 Registered: 10-2003 |
Crazypalpig - Welcome! FA means false assumption. Is the silence before a battle? After a battle? Are any particular battles relevant? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 215 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is the silence before a battle? no After a battle? no, but very much otrt Are any particular battles relevant?YES | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2003 |
Is it a land, sea or air battle? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 218 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is it a land, sea or air battle?air, I imagine would be the best description...but land in certainly involved... | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 353 Registered: 3-2006 |
Kurt Vonnegut? Slaughterhouse Five? Is time travel relevant at all? | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 110 Registered: 10-2003 |
Air and land...a bombing raid? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 219 Registered: 6-2006 |
Kurt Vonnegut? yesSlaughterhouse Five?YES Is time travel relevant at all? no Air and land...a bombing raid? exactly now who is Sam, why is Kurt Vonnegut apologizing to him, and how are the birds relevant? Remember, this is in the text of the novel! | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 35 Registered: 8-2006 |
Wait- Do the birds have anything to do with this puzzle, or this just a red herring? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 220 Registered: 6-2006 |
Wait- Do the birds have anything to do with this puzzle, or this just a red herring?yes, they do. The statement "it always is, except for the birds" is made in the text of the novel as part of an apology to Sam...to solve the puzzle you are to figure out who Sam is and what the apology is all about | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 36 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is Sam already dead, and Kurt Vonnegut is writing a memorial? Is Sam related to Kurt in any way? Were they enemies, and Kurt is sorry for destroying something? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 221 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is Sam already dead, and Kurt Vonnegut is writing a memorial? no, Sam is alive at the time the apology is written Is Sam related to Kurt in any way? not as family, it has been established that they are yesishly co-workers, but that Sam is not a writer. Were they enemies, and Kurt is sorry for destroying something?no | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 43 Registered: 8-2006 |
Are they privates? or some sort of high rank? relevant? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 225 Registered: 6-2006 |
Are they privates? or some sort of high rank? relevant?irrelevant | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 48 Registered: 8-2006 |
Were they fighting in the same regiment? And did Kurt accidently hit Sam? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 227 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were they fighting in the same regiment? no, and FA And did Kurt accidently hit Sam?no | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 90 Registered: 8-2006 |
This is what we have so far: Kurt apoligized to Sam and had the words "It always is, except for the birds" And Kurt was not enemies with sam, in the same regiment as sam. Was Sam even fighting? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 91 Registered: 8-2006 |
Uncle Sam? As in America? sorry for double posting, just popped up | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 229 Registered: 6-2006 |
This is what we have so far: Kurt apoligized to Sam and had the words "It always is, except for the birds" And Kurt was not enemies with sam, in the same regiment as sam.yes Was Sam even fighting?NO--Sam is a colleague of Kurt's in Kurt's capacity as a writer Uncle Sam? As in America?no, Sam is an actual person | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 370 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is Sam Vonnegut's publisher or proofreader? And he is apologising for not being able to write very articulately about the bombing? After all, there's not much you can meaningfully say after a horrible bombing raid in WW2. Is that close? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 231 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is Sam Vonnegut's publisher yes or proofreader? And he is apologising for not being able to write very articulately about the bombing? yes After all, there's not much you can meaningfully say after a horrible bombing raid in WW2. Is that close?close enough for a ************Spoiler******************* Kurt Vonnegut's apology to his publisher Seymour “Sam” Lawrence, in the introduction to Slaughterhouse Five, upon finally writing his much anticipated Dresden book: “And I say to Sam now: ‘Sam—here’s the book.’ It’s so short and jumbled and jangled, Sam, because there is nothing intelligent to say about a massacre. Everybody is supposed to be dead, to never say anything or want anything ever again. Everything is supposed to be very quiet after a massacre, and it always is, except for the birds. And what do the birds say? All there is to say about a massacre, things like ‘Poo-tee-weet?” Thanks to everyone who participated--please join in my other 2 puzzles and my new one to be poster tomorrow! | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 150 Registered: 10-2003 |
Must say that I've never read this. I take it you would recommend it? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 272 Registered: 6-2006 |
Absolutely |
