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Neil Gummow (Dodgyken)
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Three and half sides makes it complete.
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Shot in the dark: is this a very early recording of an opera, say, on 78rpm records?

Sides of paper? Sides of a polygon? Sides of disc or similar? Sides of beef?
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Shot in the dark: is this a very early recording of an opera, say, on 78rpm records? No
Sides of paper? No Sides of a polygon? No Sides of disc or similar? No Sides of beef? No
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Food relevant?
construction relevant?
a room relevant? (3 1/2 sides of a room is typically "wall" space...is this relevant?)
is this task-oriented, or is it simply by confirming the existence of 3 1/2 sides it is complete?
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Food relevant? NO
construction relevant? NO
a room relevant? NO (3 1/2 sides of a room is typically "wall" space...is this relevant?) NO
is this task-oriented YES, or is it simply by confirming the existence of 3 1/2 sides it is complete? NO
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Four-a-side soccer?
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Four-a-side soccer? No
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When "it" is complete, how many sides will it have? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10? More than 10? Is "it" a real, physical object? Is it tangible? Will it be tangible when it is complete? If so, will it be bigger than, say, a cat - when it is complete? When complete, will it be more than double its original size? Less than double? Exactly double?

Can it be completed by a human being? Are any special skills needed to complete it?

Is minute steak relevant? In fact, is the title relevant at all?
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When "it" is complete, how many sides will it have? 4? Yope 5? No 6? No 7? No 8? No 9? No 10? No More than 10? No Is "it" a real, physical object? No Is it tangible? No Will it be tangible when it is complete? No If so, will it be bigger than, say, a cat - when it is complete? No When complete, will it be more than double its original size? No Less than double? No Exactly double? No

Can it be completed by a human being? Yes Are any special skills needed to complete it? Yes

Is minute steak relevant? No In fact, is the title relevant at all? Yope
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Does it belong to any of these areas:
education? religion? philosophy? mathematics? astronomy? history? color theory? other sciences? art?

Is "it" something in the future? something of the past? Or can it be complete in present days?

Any movies, books, games, urban legends relevant?
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Does it belong to any of these areas:
education? No religion? Yope philosophy? No mathematics? No astronomy? history? Yes color theory? No other sciences? No art? No

Is "it" something in the future? Yes something of the past? Yes Or can it be complete in present days? Yes

Any movies, books, games, urban legends relevant? No
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Is it a game or other activity in which different teams or "sides" compete against each other?
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Is it a game or other activity in which different teams or "sides" compete against each other? No
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A refresh to try and get this kick started - didnt think it was that challenging

Three and half sides makes it complete.

What do we know so far?

4 sides? Sort of hence the yope, but it is complete at 3 and a half sides

Steak in the title? Is a cryptic clue, but you have to get close to the answer to realise it

Task? It is a task

Religious? Not directly.

History? Yes it is definately historical. However the task was done, is done, and will be done in the future.

I hope that helps without someone getting the answer immediately.
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Wonder why no one is biting anymore

Is the object tangible?
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Is the object tangible? No - as I said in the refresher above it is a task.

Wonder why no one is biting anymore You and me both. I thought it was quite a nice puzzle requiring a rather good level of lateral thought. I guess the members arent as smart as I thought.

***Grins in a devilish manner***
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How many people would it take to perform this task? 1? less then 5? less than ten? less than 100? more?

How far back in history was this first performed - BC? before the 10th century? before the 15th? before the 20th? later?

Would you normally start at no sides and work your way up to 3 1/2?
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Anything to do with martial arts?
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That is more like it

How many people would it take to perform this task? 1? YES - actually only 1 performs it!!! less then 5? YES less than ten? YES less than 100? YES more? NO

How far back in history was this first performed - BC? NO before the 10th century? NO before the 15th? YES before the 20th? Yes later? NO

Would you normally start at no sides and work your way up to 3 1/2? YES

Anything to do with martial arts? No
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is this a task you can do without moving?
Do you need any special equipment in addition to the special skills?
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is this a task you can do without moving? No
Do you need any special equipment in addition to the special skills? Yes
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Is it a task that is repeated at certain intervals, eg weekly or annually?
For religious reasons? Cultural reasons?
Is the special equipment something you need to wear? Would there be any point in wearing it if you weren't involved in this task? Or if you didn't have the special skills?
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Is it a task that is repeated at certain intervals, eg weekly or annually? Yes
For religious reasons? Yope Cultural reasons? Yes
Is the special equipment something you need to wear? Yope Would there be any point in wearing it if you weren't involved in this task? Yope Or if you didn't have the special skills? Yope

Use is more important than wear but it would be worn. It could be worn by someone not doing the task, and someone who couldnt do the task. It is however unlikely that this would happen.
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My first post...

Does the special equipment have a practical function required for the task? Is it ceremonial? Does it indicate the status of the wearer in some way? Is it heavy?

The "sides" - are they concepts, e.g. sides to a debate? A measurement? Do they have a fixed size? Of distance? time intervals?
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sides as in sides of beef or other meat?
(i'm thinking along the steak lines here :-) )
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Does the special equipment have a practical function required for the task? Yes - most definately so Is it ceremonial? Yes Does it indicate the status of the wearer in some way? No Is it heavy? Define heavy

The "sides" - are they concepts, e.g. sides to a debate? A measurement? Do they have a fixed size? Of distance? time intervals? No to all. The sides are tangible

sides as in sides of beef or other meat? No - but there is a clue hidden in the title.
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>>Is it heavy? Define heavy
Heavier than an ant? A mouse? A cat? A person? A horse? An elephant? A whale?

Is the special equipment carried in the hands? attached to a belt or similar? (is it a belt?) does the user ride the equipment? is it a weapon? a tool? (smaller than a hammer? larger than a hammer?) a measuring device?

is its function to shield the wearer in some way? against cold? against heat? against impact? against cutting? is it made of metal? fabric? wood? stone/mineral? animal hides? other?

is this a specific historical event? was the task performed in a single location? did it have to be a specific location? or could it have been done anywhere? did the task involve travel? did it require a particular person or persons to be present? could anyone have done it? was it performed indoors? outdoors? on land? at sea? up a mountain?

are the sides parts of the "it" that becomes complete? or are they parts of something else?
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Does the approach to the task move in steps: -
1 - 2 - 3 - 3 1/2 - done?
or smaller increments?
Only 1 person performs the task - Just any person (though only one at any given time)?
Or a specific type of person in a position to do this?
Or only one actual person, e.g. Jesus?
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At the whole place suddenly wakes up!!!!

Heavier than an ant? Yes A mouse? Yes A cat? No A person? No A horse? No An elephant? No A whale? No

Is the special equipment carried in the hands? Yes attached to a belt or similar? No (is it a belt?) No does the user ride the equipment? No is it a weapon? No a tool? No (smaller than a hammer? larger than a hammer?) No a measuring device? No

is its function to shield the wearer in some way? No against cold? No against heat? No against impact? No against cutting? Nois it made of metal? Yes fabric? No wood? No stone/mineral? No animal hides? No other? No

is this a specific historical event? Yes was the task performed in a single location? Yes did it have to be a specific location? Nope or could it have been done anywhere? No did the task involve travel? Nope did it require a particular person or persons to be present? No could anyone have done it? Yope was it performed indoors? Yes outdoors? Yope on land? Yes at sea? No up a mountain? No

are the sides parts of the "it" that becomes complete? No or are they parts of something else? Yes

Does the approach to the task move in steps: -
1 - 2 - 3 - 3 1/2 - done? Yes
or smaller increments? No
Only 1 person performs the task - Just any person (though only one at any given time)? No
Or a specific type of person in a position to do this? Yes
Or only one actual person, e.g. Jesus? No

It is very challenging to answer a lot of these questions, but to clarify 1 person performs the task at anyone time. Anyone could perform the task if they were trained. In practice though that doesnt happen.
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was the person who first performed the task specially selected or appointed to perform it? by aptitude? by election? by status?
royalty? priesthood/monk/nun? warrior/military? musician? artist? physician? other?

did this person willingly perform the task? was (s)he forced to by others? by circumstances? was anyone else present when the task was performed?

is the special equipment a key? a coin?

is only one piece of equipment used to perform the task? when others repeat the task, is the exact same item used, or are similar objects used instead?
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was the person who first performed the task specially selected or appointed to perform it? Yes by aptitude? Yes by election? No by status? No
royalty? No priesthood/monk/nun? Nowarrior/military? No musician? Yes artist? No physician? No other? No

did this person willingly perform the task? Yes was (s)he forced to by others? No by circumstances? Yes was anyone else present when the task was performed? No

is the special equipment a key? No a coin? No

is only one piece of equipment used to perform the task? Yes when others repeat the task, is the exact same item used, No or are similar objects used instead? Yes
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object = musical instrument? brass? wind? strings? (er, metal, so i guess no...) percussion? trumpet? cornet? bugle? flute? piccolo?

was the task a musical performance? composition? inaugural performance of a certain piece of music? (i suppose that doesn't fit with no-one else being present, but maybe worth asking?)
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Schubert's Unfinished Symphony relevant?
Some part played by one musician in the piece
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Are the three and a half sides referring to pages of music? and the last half a side doesn't contain any notes?
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object = musical instrument? Yes brass? Yes wind? No strings? No (er, metal, so i guess no...) percussion? No trumpet? Nocornet? No bugle? Yes flute? Nopiccolo? No

was the task a musical performance? Nocomposition? No inaugural performance of a certain piece of music? No (i suppose that doesn't fit with no-one else being present, but maybe worth asking?) No

Schubert's Unfinished Symphony relevant? No
Some part played by one musician in the piece

Are the three and a half sides referring to pages of music? No and the last half a side doesn't contain any notes? No
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did the task involve playing the bugle? playing a fanfare?
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did the task involve playing the bugle? Yes playing a fanfare? Yope
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is he playing a national anthem?

playing to mark an occassion or event?
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is he playing a national anthem? No

playing to mark an occassion or event? Yope

I am looking for quite a lot of detail in the final answer - and you are edging ever closer - well done.
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Does the task involve playing the bugle in different ways? Facing different directions?
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still trying to find the meaning of steak in the title. Oh well...

Are the notes it the piece relevant?
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WAIT A SECOND!!!! Is this about the broken note of krakow?!?
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I think Crazypalpig got it (The Trumpeteer of Karkow)

Anyway,

Is the 3 1/2 pertaining to 3 1/2 beats (as in music)?
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Ahh - and the steak reference is for the Tartars?
very nice!
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This may be the last bit: does 3 1/2 sides refer to the fact that the Trumpeter of Krakow sounds his alarum in three directions from three sides of the tower, then breaks off halfway through the piece while facing the fourth direction on the fourth side?

Nice leap to the probable solution, crazypalpig!!
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Thanks, Rabrab! Now all we need is DodgyKen to answer us...
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Here, DodgyKen. Cm'ere boy, there's a good DodgyKen. <whistles...>
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*laughs at Rabrab*

I really think crazypalpig got it. Great job Crazypalpig! :-) I even researched the trumpeter of Krakow when you typed it. hehe
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OOOOOWWWWWWW Please stop me laughing. I was away for the weekend - enjoying the outdoors, the sun, and blasting my car up any mountain pass I could find

************SPOILER********************
Crazypalpig got it. And Mycroft figured out the cryptic title. This does refer to the Trumpeter (actualy a Bugle) of Krakow. On the hour the Trumpeter would ascend the church tower and play the Hymm of Our Lady to the 4 winds. In 1241 he was playing this and on the East Side he noticed a rather large horde of Tartars. He kept playing to awaken the city and get them out to defend. The Tartars are not only renowned as rather nifty horsemen but also useful archers. Our clever trumpeter tragically made contact with one such arrow - the arrow unfortunately travelling at such speed that by using his neck to catch the arrow proved fatal.

His actions were smart enough and quick enough that the town defended the attack and the tartars were sent home.

Upto the present day, a trumpeter plays the Hymm of our Lady on the hour every hour to the 4 winds. When he plays the east wind he stops half way through - IE 3 1/2 sides is complete. The trumpeters are all members of the Krakow fire service.

That was my first puzzle, hope you enjoyed it - it might prove challenging to come up with another one!!!
Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
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Arf Arf!
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Good puzzle, DodgyKen! Thanks.

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