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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 6:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One understandable mistake led to a worse one.
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Is this a true story?
Era of the story relevant? duration relevant? place relevant?
The mistake was done by one ore more humans?
How many characters were involved, 1, 2, ...?
Did anyone get injured? was anything destroyed?
The first mistake was not perceived? was neglected?
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Tobasi Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 7:03 pm:

Hi, Tobias!

Is this a true story? yes
Era of the story relevant? yes duration relevant? yes place relevant? somewhat
The mistake was done by one ore more humans? yes
How many characters were involved, 1, 2, ...? two directly, one indirectly, several others more peripherally
Did anyone get injured? yes was anything destroyed? yes
The first mistake was not perceived? it probably was was neglected? yes
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 7:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh yes, hej Brid!
Did the story happen: before Christ? in the 1st, 2nd, ... 21st century?
Did it last minutes? hours? days? months? years? decades?
Did anyone die (wouldn't be the first time in a lateral puzzle)?
Are the occupations of the two main characters relevant? Their relationship (family, friends, colleagues...)?
Was the accident (can we call it like this) related to one of the following fields:
transport? industry? sports? culture? politics? religion? natural hazard?
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Tobasi Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 7:12 pm:

Oh yes, hej Brid!
Did the story happen: before Christ? in the 1st, 2nd, ... 21st century? 21st century
Did it last minutes? hours? days? months? years? this one decades?
Did anyone die (wouldn't be the first time in a lateral puzzle)? yes, but beware
Are the occupations of the two main characters relevant? no Their relationship (family, friends, colleagues...)? yesish; family
Was the accident (can we call it like this) related to one of the following fields: "accident" is not the best choice of word, but...
transport? industry? sports? culture? politics? religion? natural hazard? this is closest, but not on the spot

and sorry for the delay - I was in an internet-free zone in the weekend (my sister-in-law's) and then we had thunderstorms and general bustle
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No problem for the delay.
Are plants relevant? animals? nature in general? rocks? anything like rivers and lakes?
Did any animal die?
Did it happen on earth? in America? Europe? Africa? Asia? Australia? Is the country were it happened relevant?
Is communication between people relevant?
Were there actually two specific mistakes?
Are the objects which were destroyed relevant? infrastructure? buildings? cars? nature?
Was the material damage on the order of 0, 10, 100, .. 1000 000 000 euros?
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Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 6:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tobasi Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 8:02 pm:

No problem for the delay. glad to hear that, because there will probably be more of them...
Are plants relevant? yesish, for svv (sufficiently vague values) of "plants" animals? nature in general? rocks? anything like rivers and lakes? no to rest
Did any animal die? a human one
Did it happen on earth? yes in America? Europe? this Africa? Asia? Australia? Is the country were it happened relevant? not very, but it was in Sweden
Is communication between people relevant? yes, you could say so
Were there actually two specific mistakes? yes
Are the objects which were destroyed relevant? yes infrastructure? buildings? cars? nature? none of these
Was the material damage on the order of 0, 10, 100, .. 1000 000 000 euros? presumably under 10 euros
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Is vegetation relevant? algae? fungi? seed plants? green plants? trees? flowers? herbs? ferns? mosses?
Or an object made out of a plant?
The two main characters were human? adult? male?
One of them died?
Did this happen in a building? outside?
In a city? a town? in the country?
Would you find the objects that were destroyed typically in a household? is the number of them important?
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Tobasi Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 6:52 pm:

Is vegetation relevant? yesish algae? fungi? these two seem closest but are still not on the spot seed plants? green plants? trees? flowers? herbs? ferns? mosses?
Or an object made out of a plant? no
The two main characters were human? adult? male? all of these
One of them died? yes
Did this happen in a building? yes to yope outside? no
In a city? a town? in the country? this
Would you find the objects that were destroyed typically in a household? yes is the number of them important? no
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Is lichen relevant (algae + fungi)? Anyway, are any non-human life forms relevant? consisting of cells? bacteria? viruses? or is a part of a plant relevant? like a fruit?
Did a part of the story happen in a building? Is a building relevant?
Did this happen subterranean? Under a building (like under the bridge or roof)? On top of a building? Or in a vehicle?
The mistakes happened at the same place?
Is the place far from civilization (Sweden is rather spacious)?
Has the story something to do with malady or health?
Would you find the objects that were destroyed typically in a kitchen? a living room? a bedroom? a garage?
Are these objects eatable?
Are they made of: metal? wood? paper? glass? stone? tissue? organic material? plastic?
The order was the following: (1) an understandable mistake occured, (2) a second mistake occured, (3) someone died, right?
Were there years between (1) and (2)? between (2) and (3)?
Was the mistake 1 committed by only one person? the person who died? the second main character?
Was the mistake 2 committed by only one person? the person who died? the second main character?
The two persons were rather rivals? were sticking together?
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Tobasi Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 6:49 pm:

Is lichen relevant (algae + fungi)? not quite this either. My knowledge of biological classification feels a bit out of date at the moment :-) Anyway, are any non-human life forms relevant? yes consisting of cells? yes bacteria? viruses? no to these or is a part of a plant relevant? like a fruit? no
Did a part of the story happen in a building? yes Is a building relevant? yes
Did this happen subterranean? Under a building (like under the bridge or roof)? On top of a building? Or in a vehicle? no to these
The mistakes happened at the same place? yes
Is the place far from civilization (Sweden is rather spacious)? depending on what you mean by civilization... there is a road and neighbours
Has the story something to do with malady or health? yes
Would you find the objects that were destroyed typically in a kitchen? yes a living room? only temporarily a bedroom? ditto a garage? no
Are these objects eatable? yes
Are they made of: metal? wood? paper? glass? stone? tissue? organic material? so, yesplastic? and no to rest
The order was the following: (1) an understandable mistake occured, (2) a second mistake occured, (3) someone died, right? wrong - to save some time, the order was (1) (3) (2)
Were there years between (1) and (2)? yes between (2) and (3)? between (3) and (2), yes}
Was the mistake 1 committed by only one person? yes the person who died? yes the second main character? no
Was the mistake 2 committed by only one person? yes the person who died? no the second main character? yes
The two persons were rather rivals? no were sticking together? I think no, but please clarify
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Is the strange life form in the body of one of them?
The type of the building: residence? business? public building? relevant?
The man who died was ill? was he infected?
The objects that were destroyed: cooked? fruit? vegetable? sweets? bread? a milk product? meat?
Did the second mistake have negative consequences? Did anyone else die? was anyone else hurt? affected?
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Tobasi Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 7:16 pm:

Is the strange life form in the body of one of them? no
The type of the building: residence? this is closest business? public building? relevant? yes
The man who died was ill? yes was he infected? no
The objects that were destroyed: cooked? fruit? vegetable? sweets? bread? a milk product? meat? probably milk products, but the others are also possible; not very relevant
Did the second mistake have negative consequences? yes Did anyone else die? no was anyone else hurt? anyone else than whom? affected?
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is the building a tent? or a cabin?
was food poisoning involved?
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Alan_s Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 1:44 pm:

is the building a tent? or a cabin? I believe you would call it a cabin
was food poisoning involved? no
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Did the first man die because of his illness?
Did the illness affect primarily his physical being? his mental being?
Was it a slow death? relevant?
Was a particular part of the body affected: head? torso? arms? legs?
Is a doctor relevant? a drug?
Did the man who died live in the cabin? the second man?
So a man died in consequence of an understandable mistake? After that, a worse one happened, right? Was this second mistake worse because the consequences were worse? As no one else died and material damage was negligible, this would mean that: Many people were affected? were hurt?
I am not a specialist in biological classification either so I had a look at Wikipedia. Is the organism an eukaryote? If yes an animal? fungus? plant? protist?
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Was someone bitten by something? If yes, a reptile? An insect? A mammal? A plant? My Mom?
Was the first mistake a judgement made by someone regarding the person who ended up dying?
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Tobasi Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 6:21 pm:

Did the first man die because of his illness? yes
Did the illness affect primarily his physical being? this one his mental being?
Was it a slow death? fairly relevant? not very
Was a particular part of the body affected: head? torso? arms? legs? not relevant: it was a metastasing cancer
Is a doctor relevant? a drug? no to both
Did the man who died live in the cabin? only now and then the second man? no
So a man died in consequence of an understandable mistake? no After that, a worse one happened, right? yes, except for the last no, if you see what I mean Was this second mistake worse because the consequences were worse? yesish As no one else died and material damage was negligible, this would mean that: Many people were affected? were hurt? no - the death was not caused by the first mistake, and neither was any injury to any person
I am not a specialist in biological classification either so I had a look at Wikipedia. Is the organism an eukaryote? yes If yes an animal? fungus? this, it seems plant? protist? so no to rest

Nosleepboy Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 6:40 pm:

Was someone bitten by something? If yes, a reptile? An insect? A mammal? A plant? My Mom? no to all, even the last one
Was the first mistake a judgement made by someone regarding the person who ended up dying? um - yes
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Did the fungus destroy the eatable objects?
What happened in the cabin: the first mistake? the second one? the man died?
Are there other relevant places?
The mistake happened to the man who later died because he was ill?
Was the first mistake a self related judgement made by the man who died?
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Tobasi Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 9:34 pm:

Did the fungus destroy the eatable objects? yes
What happened in the cabin: the first mistake? yes the second one? yes the man died? no
Are there other relevant places? no
The mistake happened to the man who later died because he was ill? yes
Was the first mistake a self related judgement made by the man who died? yes
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The eatable objects moulded?
Did the man who died eat of them? the other man? (we know that there was no food poisoning involved, I ask just to be sure)
Was the self related judgement of the man who died about his illness? his death?
Did the second man hear this statement? If yes, did this lead him to commit the second mistake?
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Tobasi Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 8:44 pm:

The eatable objects moulded? yes
Did the man who died eat of them? presumably, beware FA the other man? no (we know that there was no food poisoning involved, I ask just to be sure)
Was the self related judgement of the man who died about his illness? yesish his death? yesish
Did the second man hear this statement? no If yes, did this lead him to commit the second mistake?
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Was the moulding incident part of the first mistake? a consequence of it? or did it make happen the first mistake?
The food moulded because: the man who died (the other man? someone else?) did not pay intention? intended it?
Did the two men meet each other? in the cabin?
Did they communicate? before the first mistake? during? after? shortly before the death?
If none of the mistakes had happened the first man would still have had cancer? and would have died of it?
Could you give those two guys names?
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Tobasi Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 9:23 am:

Was the moulding incident part of the first mistake? no a consequence of it? yes or did it make happen the first mistake? so, no
The food moulded because: the man who died yes (the other man? someone else?) did not pay intention? attention, you mean? if so, yes intended it? no
Did the two men meet each other? yes in the cabin? yes, but not during the timeframe of the puzzle
Did they communicate? yes, in person before the first mistake? yes during? no after? yes shortly before the death? depends on your definition of "shortly", but it doesn't really matter
If none of the mistakes had happened the first man would still have had cancer? yes and would have died of it? yes
Could you give those two guys names? I could - their actual names would probably give rise to pronunciation difficulties, so let's call the first man Oscar and the second man Jonah
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I expected names like Björn and Lars but Oscar an Jonah are OK. I have ä, ö and ü on my keyboard but not the a with the loop on top.
Was the statement Oscar made spoken word? written? or only on his mind?
Is Jonah the grandfather (father? brother? son? grandson? uncle? nephew?) of Oscar?
Did Oscar leave food in the cabin which moulded? did he forget the food?
Had the moulded food an impact on the second mistake? did it make happen the second mistake?
Did Jonah find the moulded food?
Was the cabin something like a secondary housing of Oscar? is the nature of the cabin relevant?
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did the moulded food cause an unpleasant reaction when combined with the dying mans cancer treatment?
his weakened immunological state?
allergy? breathing difficulties from inhaling the mould spores?
the second mistake, ie, what caused the moulding of the food, was it that the food was left somewhere damp?
somewhere too humid or moist?
was it simply kept for too long?
is it at all relevant to figure out how the food moulded?
was it actual food that moulded>?
was itsomething in an IV infusion?i know you said it wasn't a drug, but perhaps moulded saline ampuoles/water?
are the two men related in any way?
if not, did they know eachother well?
is either man a law enforcement officer?
park ranger?
ski instructor?
alternative therapist/herbalist/shaman/voodoo practicioner?
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oops sorry, i believe some of these have been answered already:-)
was it cheese that moulded? and perhaps mistaken for blue vein or other edibly mouled product?
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Tobasi Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 6:07 pm:

I expected names like Björn and Lars but Oscar an Jonah are OK. I have ä, ö and ü on my keyboard but not the a with the loop on top. :-)
Was the statement Oscar made spoken word? probably not written? no or only on his mind? probably
Is Jonah the grandfather (father? brother? son? grandson? uncle? nephew? this one) of Oscar?
Did Oscar leave food in the cabin which moulded? yes did he forget the food? yesish
Had the moulded food an impact on the second mistake? yes! did it make happen the second mistake? not quite
Did Jonah find the moulded food? yes
Was the cabin something like a secondary housing of Oscar? something like that, yes is the nature of the cabin relevant? a bit

Senorina_illuminata Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 4:36 am:

did the moulded food cause an unpleasant reaction when combined with the dying mans cancer treatment? no
his weakened immunological state? no
allergy? breathing difficulties from inhaling the mould spores? of Oscar? then no
the second mistake, ie, what caused the moulding of the food FA, was it that the food was left somewhere damp?
somewhere too humid or moist?
was it simply kept for too long? yes
is it at all relevant to figure out how the food moulded? no
was it actual food that moulded>? yes
was itsomething in an IV infusion?i know you said it wasn't a drug, but perhaps moulded saline ampuoles/water? so no
are the two men related in any way? yes, see above
if not, did they know eachother well?
is either man a law enforcement officer?
park ranger?
ski instructor?
alternative therapist/herbalist/shaman/voodoo practicioner? none of these

Senorina_illuminata Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 4:42 am:

oops sorry, i believe some of these have been answered already well, well...
was it cheese that moulded? could be and perhaps mistaken for blue vein or other edibly mouled product? no
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Is it relevant what Oscar did in or near the cabin? did he work? do something for pleasure?
Did anyone enter into the cabin after Oscar left and before Jonah arrived? relevant?
Did Oscar know that he saw the cabin for the last time when he left? relevant?
Did he plan to leave before? leave in a hurry? relevant?
Why did Jonah go to the cabin: to look that everything was OK? to get a particular object? to tidy up? to work? for pleasure?
Did Jonah find anything relevant apart from the moulded food?
The person who was involved indirectly: male? from the family of Oscar an Jonah?
The people who were involved peripherically: from the family of Oscar an Jonah?
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Tobasi Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 8:53 pm:

Is it relevant what Oscar did in or near the cabin? not very did he work? possibly do something for pleasure? probably
Did anyone enter into the cabin after Oscar left and before Jonah arrived? NO relevant? YES
Did Oscar know that he saw the cabin for the last time when he left? NO relevant? YES
Did he plan to leave before? you mean, did he plan to leave when he did? If so, probably leave in a hurry? probably not relevant? not very
Why did Jonah go to the cabin: to look that everything was OK? yes to get a particular object? to tidy up? to work? for pleasure? no to rest
Did Jonah find anything relevant apart from the moulded food? noish
The person who was involved indirectly: male? no from the family of Oscar an Jonah? yes
The people who were involved peripherically: from the family of Oscar an Jonah? yes

Great strides are being taken! And sorry for the delay. I got a beast of a cold and could hardly breathe, let alone think :-( I am now back at work but still sound a bit strange. And things have piled up:-(
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First of all, I hope that your cold is over and that the pile of work is smaller.
You said the era of the story was relevant, is there still something to be found out about this? is technology relevant?
Is the layout of the cabin relevant? does it have: a bed? a washbasin? a toilet?
Was the conversation between Jonah and Oscar after the latter left the cabin about: Oscars malady? his imminent death? the moulding food? the first mistake? the cabin? something still to be found out?
Did Jonah know about the moulding food before entering the cabin?
The woman envolved: Oscars wife? sister? mother? daughter? Jonahs wife? daughter?
Did Oscar leave the cabin because he misinterpreted his situation?
Was it a mistake to leave the cabin?
Did Jonah do something wrong in the cabin? did he do something with the moulded food? throw it away?
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Oh yes and if you have a bit of time, could you please post a recap? No problem with the delays but unfortunately, I have always forgotten half of the information each time I work on the puzzle. So I scroll back to read the story (including the classification of fungi) but this story is getting longer and longer. Besides, this could motivate others to participate at this nice puzzle.
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Tobasi Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 8:00 pm:

First of all, I hope that your cold is over and that the pile of work is smaller. Almost, and somewhat, thank you.
You said the era of the story was relevant, is there still something to be found out about this? it is relevant that it is modern times is technology relevant? yes
Is the layout of the cabin relevant? a little does it have: a bed? yes a washbasin? yesish a toilet? no - but none of these are relevant
Was the conversation between Jonah and Oscar after the latter left the cabin about: Oscars malady? possibly his imminent death? possibly the moulding food? NO the first mistake? NO the cabin? possibly something still to be found out? no - the conversation in question is not really relevant either
Did Jonah know about the moulding food before entering the cabin? NO
The woman envolved: Oscars wife? sister? mother? daughter? Jonahs wife? this one daughter?
Did Oscar leave the cabin because he misinterpreted his situation? no, but...
Was it a mistake to leave the cabin? no
Did Jonah do something wrong in the cabin? yes! did he do something with the moulded food? yes-ish throw it away? not yet

As for the recap, I see your point, but you really have almost all the information already. I am uncertain whether I could give a recap without actually giving the solution! But I will think about it, if this isn't finished quite soon.
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Are computers relevant? media?
Did Jonah hurt or infect himself in the cabin? Did he touch the food? eat it? inspect it?
Was any information revealed when Jonah was in the cabin?
Did the 'mood' of the family change during the timeframe of the puzzle (apart from Oscars death)?
Was it Oscars decision to leave the cabin? Was Jonah envolved in this to happen? Did Oscar have to leave because of his illness?
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Tobasi Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:04 pm:

Are computers relevant? media? no to both
Did Jonah hurt or infect himself in the cabin? yesish Did he touch the food? no eat it? no inspect it? yesish
Was any information revealed when Jonah was in the cabin? no, apart from such discoveries (if they can be called information) that are already known to have been made (I'm having a slight grammar problem here :-))
Did the 'mood' of the family change during the timeframe of the puzzle (apart from Oscars death)? no, if you mean what I think you mean
Was it Oscars decision to leave the cabin? yes Was Jonah envolved in this to happen? no Did Oscar have to leave because of his illness? no
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Something about the cabin has still to be found out, right? Is it equiped with something technological? Is there anything relevant outside of the cabin?
Did Jonah smell the food? see it?
Did he destroy anything in the cabin?
Suppose that Oscar hadn't committed the mistake he would still have left the cabin?

I have the impression to go in circles. Perhaps you could refocus my efforts.
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Tobasi Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 6:22 pm:

Something about the cabin has still to be found out, right? yes Is it equiped with something technological? yes, but nothing strange Is there anything relevant outside of the cabin? the rest of the world... no, nothing relevant to the puzzle
Did Jonah smell the food? yesish see it? yes
Did he destroy anything in the cabin? no
Suppose that Oscar hadn't committed the mistake he would still have left the cabin? FA

I have the impression to go in circles. Perhaps you could refocus my efforts. Find out what exact mistake Oscar made and what exact mistake Jonah made.
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Is there an object in the cabin still to be found out?
Oscars mistake:
was it a 'common mistake' anyone could make?
or was it specific for the situation?
did he forget something?
was he unskillful with his hands?
did he take a wrong decision?
did he not think enough?
was he doing something in an unintelligent way?
did he rely on information that was wrong?
did he not see/hear anything?
did he realise the mistake? if yes seconds? minutes? hours? days? months? years? after?
The same questions for Jonahs mistakes please.

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Suppose that Oscar hadn't committed the mistake he would still have left the cabin? FA



Is a situation imaginable where Oscar had not done the mistake?
Did Oscar leave the cabin?
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Tobasi Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 6:58 pm:

Is there an object in the cabin still to be found out? yes
Oscars mistake:
was it a 'common mistake' anyone could make? in certain circumstances only
or was it specific for the situation? yes
did he forget something? no
was he unskillful with his hands? no
did he take a wrong decision? yes
did he not think enough? a matter of opinion
was he doing something in an unintelligent way? no-ish
did he rely on information that was wrong? no
did he not see/hear anything? incorrect
did he realise the mistake? presumably if yes seconds? minutes? hours? days? months? years? after? probably months after
The same questions for Jonahs mistakes please.

was it a 'common mistake' anyone could make? in the circumstances, yes
or was it specific for the situation? yes
did he forget something? no
was he unskillful with his hands? no
did he take a wrong decision? noish
did he not think enough? oh these negated questions! He might not have thought enough, but it possibly did not make a difference. How about that?:-)
was he doing something in an unintelligent way? one could say so, but here again, the possibilities were limited
did he rely on information that was wrong? no
did he not see/hear anything? incorrect
did he realise the mistake? yes if yes seconds? minutes? hours? days? months? years? after? seconds after

quote:
Suppose that Oscar hadn't committed the mistake he would still have left the cabin? FA


Is a situation imaginable where Oscar had not done the mistake? yes
Did Oscar leave the cabin? yes
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I still have no idea about the mistakes. I hope the object will help:
Is the object still to be found out made of one ore more of the following materials:
metal? wood? paper? glass? stone? concrete? tissue? organic material? plastic?
Is it longer than 1 cm? 10 cm? 1 m? 10 m?
Is it found in a usual household?

Did Oscars mistake have an impact on the fact that he left the cabin?
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Tobasi Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 6:16 pm:

I still have no idea about the mistakes. I hope the object will help:
Is the object still to be found out made of one ore more of the following materials:
metal? yes wood? paper? glass? perhaps stone? concrete? tissue? organic material? plastic? yes; no to rest
Is it longer than 1 cm? 10 cm? 1 m? about this 10 m?
Is it found in a usual household? yes

Did Oscars mistake have an impact on the fact that he left the cabin? um... yesish?
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Would it be a good idea to keep on asking about the FA
Suppose that Oscar hadn't committed the mistake he would still have left the cabin? FA
to solve the puzzle?
The unknown object:
Was it in contact with the food?
Is it wider than 1 cm? 10 cm? 1 m?
Higher than 1 cm? 10 cm? 1 m?
Heavier than 1 g? 10 g? 100 g? 1 kg? 10 kg? 100 kg?
Would you find the object typically in a kitchen? a living room? a bedroom? a garage? a cabin?
Is the type of metal relevant? steel? aluminium?
Is it part of the cabin? Is it only used in the cabin?
Did Oscar use the object? did Jonah?
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Tobasi Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 7:35 pm:

Would it be a good idea to keep on asking about the FA?
Suppose that Oscar hadn't committed the mistake he would still have left the cabin? FA
to solve the puzzle? yeah
The unknown object:
Was it in contact with the food? yes
Is it wider than 1 cm? 10 cm? 1 m?
Higher than 1 cm? 10 cm? 1 m? about 1 m high, a bit smaller in the other dimension - but they come in different sizes
Heavier than 1 g? 10 g? 100 g? 1 kg? 10 kg? 100 kg? probably closer to 100 than 10 kg - they seem frightfully heavy if you try to move them
Would you find the object typically in a kitchen? yes a living room? a bedroom? a garage? no to these a cabin? sometimes
Is the type of metal relevant? I suppose so steel? probably aluminium?
Is it part of the cabin? a matter of definition Is it only used in the cabin? yes
Did Oscar use the object? yes did Jonah? no with a tiny ish
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So the object is a fridge, isn't it?
Good to know that systematical questions help in case of a lateral blackout.
But just in case, is it a freezer? a cooker? an oven? a cupboard?
The food was in this object? (or on it?)
Was the object running (was the fridge cooling) when:
Oscar left the cabin? before Jonah arrived? when he arrived?
Is the current supply relevant?
Is there still something technological to be found out?
So Jonah opened the object and saw the food? did he smell it before? is smell relevant in this puzzle?
Jonahs mistake happened directly after opening the object?

If I call A what actually happened to Oscar and B a situation where he had not done the mistake.
I think in B Oscar would have left the cabin some day, as it was only his secondary residence, right?
Would he have left the cabin in B later? at the same time? earlier? than in A?
Or would in B Oscar have died before leaving the cabin?
Or is my mistake about the definition of 'leaving', for me it is like leaving for a vacation and not leaving to get some milk?
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Tobasi Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 10:05 am:
So the object is a fridge, isn't it? yes
Good to know that systematical questions help in case of a lateral blackout.
But just in case, is it a freezer? a cooker? an oven? a cupboard?
The food was in this object? yes (or on it?)
Was the object running (was the fridge cooling) when:
Oscar left the cabin? yes before Jonah arrived? when he arrived? I think these too
Is the current supply relevant? no
Is there still something technological to be found out? no
So Jonah opened the object and saw the food? yes did he smell it before? no is smell relevant in this puzzle? YES
Jonahs mistake happened directly after opening the object? no, but...

If I call A what actually happened to Oscar and B a situation where he had not done the mistake.
I think in B Oscar would have left the cabin some day, as it was only his secondary residence, right? yes
Would he have left the cabin in B later? at the same time? earlier? than in A? all of these are possible
Or would in B Oscar have died before leaving the cabin? no
Or is my mistake about the definition of 'leaving', for me it is like leaving for a vacation and not leaving to get some milk? you're quite right in the definition
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Suppose that Oscar hadn't made the mistake he would still have left the cabin?
When Jonah opened the fridge he smelled something? but not directly the food? did he smell something 'of' the fridge?
Did he realise at once that this was food of Oscar? did he take it for something else?
Did he take the food out? without touching it?
Was the food in a box or something?
Is there still an object to be found out?
Was Jonahs wife with him? Anything to be found out about her?
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Tobasi Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 6:16 pm:

Suppose that Oscar hadn't made the mistake he would still have left the cabin? yes
When Jonah opened the fridge he smelled something? yes but not directly the food? yes, he did - but not before opening it did he smell something 'of' the fridge?
Did he realise at once that this was food of Oscar? yes did he take it for something else? so no
Did he take the food out? NO without touching it?
Was the food in a box or something? possibly
Is there still an object to be found out? no
Was Jonahs wife with him? yes Anything to be found out about her? see my profile :-)
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quote:

Suppose that Oscar hadn't committed the mistake he would still have left the cabin? FA




quote:

Suppose that Oscar hadn't made the mistake he would still have left the cabin? yes




Could you please clarify? Did I use commit in a wrong way?

So Jonah opened the fridge, then he smelled the food? then he did something (including a mistake?)? then he closed the fridge?
The thing he did:
He said something? did something with his hands or body?

Did Oscar do anything relevant with the food? with the fridge?
Did Jonah know of Oscars mistake? If no, would this knowledge have changed anything?

Is there something about the food still to be found out?
So the story happend to you and your family? Would it have been worth a story in a newspaper (not that I want to talk it down...)?
I am still wondering about the impact of the mistakes:
The only financial loss was the moulded food, right? But for Jonah, the mistake had bad consequences?
When he realized the mistake, did he feel: dissapointed? tricked? angry? sad? happy? amused? surprised?
When Oscar realized his mistake, did he feel: dissapointed? tricked? angry? sad? happy? amused? surprised?
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Tobasi Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 10:19 pm:

quote:
Suppose that Oscar hadn't committed the mistake he would still have left the cabin? FA

quote:
Suppose that Oscar hadn't made the mistake he would still have left the cabin? yes

Could you please clarify? Did I use commit in a wrong way? I don't quite know what I was thinking. The answer should have been yes, both times.

So Jonah opened the fridge, then he smelled the food? yes then he did something (including a mistake?)? no (he already made the mistake) then he closed the fridge? yes
The thing he did:
He said something? he sure said something while closing the fridge, but it's not relevant to the puzzle, and anybody could probably guess the gist of what he said :-) did something with his hands or body?

Did Oscar do anything relevant with the food? with the fridge? nothing more than already established
Did Jonah know of Oscars mistake? he understood it from the state of the food If no, would this knowledge have changed anything? he might not have opened the fridge...

Is there something about the food still to be found out? no
So the story happend to you and your family? yes Would it have been worth a story in a newspaper (not that I want to talk it down...)? no (unless it was the very local paper that considers anything in the village worth a story)
I am still wondering about the impact of the mistakes:
The only financial loss was the moulded food, right? right But for Jonah, the mistake had bad consequences? at least quite bad
When he realized the mistake, did he feel: dissapointed? tricked? angry? a little sad? a little happy? amused? surprised? a little, but mostly something else
When Oscar realized his mistake, did he feel: dissapointed? tricked? angry? sad? happy? amused? surprised? possibly sad, but not very much
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So how did Jonah feel realising the mistake:
Uncomfortable?
Rejected?
Ignored?
Unappreciated? Resentful? Bitter?
Unloved? Hated?
Unlovable? Undesirable?
Angry? Sad? Hurt? Disappointed?
Unaware? Confused?
Frustrated?
Unsupported? Squelched?
Discouraged?
Pessimistic? Hopeless?
Disrespected? Insulted?
Afraid? Insecure?
Tense? Frustrated?
Bored? Lethargic?
Lost?
Trapped? Controlled? Obligated?
Dependent? Needy?
Nervous? Worried? Scared?
Incompetent? Inadequate? Dumb? Stupid?
Guilty? Embarrassed? Ashamed?
Unworthy? Undeserving? Inadequate?
Depressed? Numb? Frozen?
Empty? Needy?
Invalidated?
Disconnected? Isolated? Lonely?
(On the internet you can find lists of anything...)

He made the mistake: before? while? after? opening the fridge?
Was he doing something visible when he made the mistake? Was a particular part of his body envolved in this?
Had Jonahs mistake an impact on his health?
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Tobasi Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 7:19 pm:

So how did Jonah feel realising the mistake:
Uncomfortable? certainly
Rejected?
Ignored?
Unappreciated? Resentful? Bitter?
Unloved? Hated?
Unlovable? Undesirable?
Angry? Sad? Hurt? Disappointed?
Unaware? Confused?
Frustrated? and a bit of this probably
Unsupported? Squelched?
Discouraged?
Pessimistic? Hopeless?
Disrespected? Insulted?
Afraid? Insecure?
Tense?
Bored? Lethargic?
Lost?
Trapped? Controlled? Obligated?
Dependent? Needy?
Nervous? Worried? Scared?
Incompetent? Inadequate? Dumb? Stupid?
Guilty? Embarrassed? Ashamed?
Unworthy? Undeserving? Inadequate?
Depressed? Numb? Frozen?
Empty? Needy?
Invalidated?
Disconnected? Isolated? Lonely? no or irrelevant to rest
(On the internet you can find lists of anything...) Yes. How do you find them? I always end up with interesting lists of something else than what I was looking for :-)

He made the mistake: before? while? these after? opening the fridge? but FA - surely you should have got this by now?
Was he doing something visible when he made the mistake? Was a particular part of his body envolved in this? yes to both
Had Jonahs mistake an impact on his health? YES
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Well, I am beginning to feel a tiny bit frustrated, lethargic, lost and incompetent regarding this puzzle... but I still don't give up as I know since the beginning of october that this is pretty close... . By the way, I found the list by searching for something like "dissapointed tricked angry sad".

The particular part of Jonahs body involved is his:
head? arm? hand? chest? leg? foot? something in his body?
Did he move this part of the body? hit it against something?
Was this part of the body hurt?
Did he feel pain?

As for the new FA, no, I don't understand.
Jonah made a mistake, correct?
Jonah opened the fridge, correct?
Opening the fridge was not exactly the mistake, correct?
The mistake and the action of opening happened chronologically?

I have a puzzle running (or rather not running) involving a mistake called 'Two act play'. With all you know about mistakes you should be able to solve it immediately...
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Tobasi Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 12:58 pm:

Well, I am beginning to feel a tiny bit frustrated, lethargic, lost and incompetent regarding this puzzle... but I still don't give up as I know since the beginning of october that this is pretty close... . By the way, I found the list by searching for something like "dissapointed tricked angry sad". We'll see.

The particular part of Jonahs body involved is his:
head? arm? this hand? and this chest? and in another way this leg? foot? something in his body? and this - no to rest
Did he move this part of the body? yes to the first two hit it against something?
Was this part of the body hurt? yes to the last two
Did he feel pain? yesish

As for the new FA, no, I don't understand.
Jonah made a mistake, correct? correct
Jonah opened the fridge, correct? correct
Opening the fridge was not exactly the mistake, correct? incorrect - it was
The mistake and the action of opening happened chronologically? left as an exercise to the reader

I have a puzzle running (or rather not running) involving a mistake called 'Two act play'. With all you know about mistakes you should be able to solve it immediately... Hint taken - will have a look. But I often run out of ideas a bit into puzzles
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The simplest solution would be the following:
The smell of the moulded food made Jonah vomit?

Do you want me to find out more about the first mistake (I warn you, this might take me another three weeks...)?
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Tobasi Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 10:29 pm:

The simplest solution would be the following:
The smell of the moulded food made Jonah vomit? This is not the case

Do you want me to find out more about the first mistake (I warn you, this might take me another three weeks...)? Oh, I'm in no hurry... but why not try to recap what you have got?
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So Jonah moved his arm and hand to open the fridge, right? Were his arm and hand relevant in another way?
The part in his body envolved:
part of the digestive tract?
part of the respiratory system?
part of the blood circuit?
Was it the smell that provoked something in his body? or was it something he touched? he saw? he heard?
Or was the part in his body (indirectly) physically touched by something (say the door of the fridge)? or himself?
Was Jonah's reaction a reflex? a required reflex? an arbitrary reaction?

For the moment I have established more or less three links between the mistakes:
(1) Jonah is Oscares nephew.
(2) Both mistakes happened in the cabin.
(3) A result of the first mistake was the moulded food which was at the same time trigger for the second mistake.
Correct?
Are there more links to be found out? or more about link (3)?

Concerning the recap, I was hoping that you would do it one day...
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Tobasi Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 7:35 pm:

So Jonah moved his arm and hand to open the fridge, right? right Were his arm and hand relevant in another way? no
The part in his body envolved:
part of the digestive tract? no
part of the respiratory system? yes
part of the blood circuit? no
Was it the smell that provoked something in his body? mostly or was it something he touched? he saw? he heard? no to rest
Or was the part in his body (indirectly) physically touched by something (say the door of the fridge)? or himself? no
Was Jonah's reaction a reflex? I suppose so a required reflex? what would that mean? an arbitrary reaction? no

For the moment I have established more or less three links between the mistakes:
(1) Jonah is Oscares nephew.
(2) Both mistakes happened in the cabin.
(3) A result of the first mistake was the moulded food which was at the same time trigger for the second mistake.
Correct? quite correct
Are there more links to be found out? or more about link (3)? no, I don't think so

Concerning the recap, I was hoping that you would do it one day... I'm afraid I can't without giving it all away... but I can do that, if requested :-)
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I imagine the mold spores in the air from the molding food could have given Jonah breathing problems? Did he have a mold allergy?
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Beccaann Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 3:11 pm:

I imagine the mold spores in the air from the molding food could have given Jonah breathing problems? yes! Did he have a mold allergy? yes!
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is that all there is to find out about the second mistake?
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Did Oscar expect to return to the cabin before the food spoiled? But he died sooner that he expected? Was this line of thought his mistake? Or did he mean to take the food with him when he left, but forgot it?
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Hey Beccaann, what are you doing on MY puzzle?
Allright, thank you for joining and bringing in new ideas.

Brid, I learned something on required reflexes (I hope that this is the correct english term) in biology A-levels (and a bit on fungi as well). For example, in driving school you learn to break if you see red lights until it gets a required reflex i.e. automatically. Anyway, this is not particulary relevant here.


Did the spores make Jonah: cough? sneeze? anything more?

Apart from the moulded food, was there another consequence of Oscars mistake? if yes had this consequence an impact on himself? on someone else?
When he realised the mistake did he think mostly of the food? of the cabin? of something else?
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haha...I've actually been reading this thread for a while and its just now that any new questions came to my mind that you hadn't already asked!! I'm so bored at work this week that I've started reading and thinking about just about every puzzle on the forum...and reading through the solved archives too!!!
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Beccaann Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 3:18 pm:

is that all there is to find out about the second mistake? yes

Beccaann Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 3:24 pm:

Did Oscar expect to return to the cabin before the food spoiled? yes But he died sooner that he expected? we suppose so Was this line of thought his mistake? yes Or did he mean to take the food with him when he left, but forgot it? that is also possible, but, knowing him, less likely

Tobasi Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 9:02 pm:

Hey Beccaann, what are you doing on MY puzzle?
Allright, thank you for joining and bringing in new ideas.

Brid, I learned something on required reflexes (I hope that this is the correct english term) in biology A-levels (and a bit on fungi as well). For example, in driving school you learn to break if you see red lights until it gets a required reflex i.e. automatically. Anyway, this is not particulary relevant here. Well, I learnt about them in Swedish. According to my trusty medical dictionary it is "conditioned reflex". But "required" might well be correct too - the dictionary certainly doesn't list all terms it should :-)


Did the spores make Jonah: cough? sneeze? anything more? yes to all

Apart from the moulded food, was there another consequence of Oscars mistake? yes, but not relevant to the puzzle if yes had this consequence an impact on himself? on someone else? more on someone else, but let's save that for the spioler
When he realised the mistake did he think mostly of the food? of the cabin? of something else? I have no idea

Beccaann Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 9:20 pm:

haha...I've actually been reading this thread for a while and its just now that any new questions came to my mind that you hadn't already asked!! I'm so bored at work this week that I've started reading and thinking about just about every puzzle on the forum...and reading through the solved archives too!!! Oh, the joys of not being overworked! I'll see if I have the time for a couple of questions too.
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The first mistake: Oscar made a judgement about himself, correct?
Did this statement concern: his family? his life? the cabin?
Was the statement wrong?
Was it refering to the past? the present? the future?
Was it on something he would do? not do? on him as a person?

Was the family affected by the first mistake? the second one?
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Tobasi Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 10:20 am:

The first mistake: Oscar made a judgement about himself, correct? yes
Did this statement concern: his family? no his life? yes the cabin? and yes
Was the statement wrong? yes
Was it refering to the past? the present? the future? this one
Was it on something he would do? yes not do? no on him as a person? no, I'd say

Was the family affected by the first mistake? the second one? both in so far as you are normally affected when your significant other has an acute allergy attack, no more, no less
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Was Oscar's statement in the lines of the following:
I will come back to this cabin?
I will do something with the cabin? in the cabin?
I will die in the cabin?
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Tobasi Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 5:41 pm:

Was Oscar's statement in the lines of the following:
I will come back to this cabin? this one
I will do something with the cabin? in the cabin? and to some extent these
I will die in the cabin? no
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So, Oscar's exact statement has to be found out?
Is there anything more to be found out?

Was the statement: I will eat the food that I left in the fridge?
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Tobasi Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 6:37 pm:

So, Oscar's exact statement has to be found out? no; I don't see why I haven't given you the pleasuer of finishing this quite some time ago
Is there anything more to be found out? no

Was the statement: I will eat the food that I left in the fridge? this probably was part of it

*********** SPOILER *********

My husband's uncle (here known as Oscar; his two given names were Oskar Helmer and he was called Helmer) died two-and-a-half years ago. He was a bachelor with no children, and it turned out that he had testamented his cabin to my husband (here known as Jonah; his two given names are Jonas Inge and he is called Inge, which is troublesome in Denmark and Germany, but it is a man's name here) and his sister. He had also testamented various other property to various other people, and unfortunately some points in the will were not clear and lead to a lot of arguing. This summer we learned at last that things would be ready soon (meaning this autumn). We still did not formally own the cabin, but we managed to find a key and went there to see how much work would be needed to put it in habitable condition. A lot, we found. Presumably we'll have to get a trailer and take practically all the furnishings to the dump. And we realised that uncle must have thought, when he last left the cabin, that he would soon be back, because he had left the unwashed dishes. Then we saw the fridge. Eagerly hoping it was empty, my husband opened it. It was full of a hitherto unknown lifeform, evolved from what might have been cheese and butter. He closed it again pronto but had an asthma attack which rendered him almost unable to do anything during the rest of that day.
So we will have to tie ropes round that fridge, mark it "Biological Weapons" and see whether they even accept it at the dump...

Moral: Never leave of until tomorrow etc. And if you ever make a will, have a lawyer help you, if it is any more complicated than "Everything to my sister Dora", so your family at least won't curse you for having made a will that doesn't make sense.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 6:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you for the puzzle Birgitta. It turned out a bit longish but there was a number of nice little things to find out, I enjoyed it.
I hope that the cabin will be useful for you (apart from giving the idea for a puzzle). Send my greetings to Inge, I hope he is well.

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