| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1661 Registered: 8-2001 |
Puzzle regulars may remember that I come from a Jewish family but have no religion & no ethnicity. This caused me to midunderstand an acquaintance's recent attempt to be considerate. In fact, I misunderstood it so badly that my response totally bewildred him. How come?? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 935 Registered: 6-2001 |
Did he know you were from a Jewish family? Are any Jewish customs relevant? Sabbath-related ones? Did he think you were religious? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1666 Registered: 8-2001 |
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 935 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 7:29 pm: Did he know you were from a Jewish family?I assume he inferred it from my last name & appearance Are any Jewish customs relevant? yes Sabbath-related ones? no Did he think you were religious? yope | ||
| Ollyrukes (Ollyrukes)
New member Username: Ollyrukes Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2006 |
to do with religious holidays? christmas? channukah? (or however you spell it) Easter? to do with religious tradition? circumcision? to do with negative (and incorrect) sterotypes about Jews? Killing christ? (like the nutcase mel gibson) Hoarding money? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 407 Registered: 3-2006 |
Kosher food laws relevant? Lighting of candles/the menorah? Is there a wordplay or double meaning involved in the answer at all? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1670 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ollyrukes (Ollyrukes) New member Username: Ollyrukes Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 4:21 am: to do with religious holidays? no christmas? no channukah? (or however you spell it) no Easter? no to do with religious tradition? yes circumcision? no to do with negative (and incorrect) sterotypes about Jews? negative, no. incorrect, yesish Killing christ? no (like the nutcase mel gibson) Hoarding money? no Woodworm (Woodworm) New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 407 Registered: 3-2006 Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 7:20 pm: Kosher food laws relevant? yes Lighting of candles/the menorah? no Is there a wordplay or double meaning involved in the answer at all? no | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 408 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ah, ok. Is it about mixing milk and meat? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1671 Registered: 8-2001 |
Woodworm (Woodworm) New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 408 Registered: 3-2006 Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 8:26 pm: Ah, ok. Is it about mixing milk and meat?no | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 349 Registered: 6-2006 |
general kosher laws? or passover kosher laws? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1672 Registered: 8-2001 |
8-2001 Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 8:52 pm: Woodworm (Woodworm) New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 408 Registered: 3-2006 Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 8:26 pm: Ah, ok. Is it about mixing milk and meat?no Beccaann (Beccaann) New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 349 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 9:16 pm: general kosher laws?yes or passover kosher laws? no | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 936 Registered: 6-2001 |
Did he assume you would not want to eat a certain food? Pork? Other pig-product? Shellfish? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1674 Registered: 8-2001 |
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 936 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 12:39 am: Did he assume you would not want to eat a certain food?noish or yope Pork? yes Other pig-product? possibly Shellfish? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 666 Registered: 7-2001 |
so he tried to help you avoid eating pork? were you in fact eating pork? or were you about to? or did you say you were going to eat something containing pork products? did he think you were unaware of a pork product in something? did he stop you eating something? try to? did he try to stop you buying something? was he offering you food? had he made something for you to eat? something kosher? thinking you would want it? was you response that bewildered him - rejecting something he was offering you? getting cross with him? eating something he wasn't expecting you to? eating something with pork in it? eating something without pork in it? is the exact foodstuff here relevant? was it something which unexpectedly contains pork products? (like some pink sugary pig shaped sweets we recently offered to a vegetarian before realising they contained pork gelatine - yuck!) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1678 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 666 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 9:25 pm: so he tried to help you avoid eating pork? yope were you in fact eating pork? no or were you about to? no or did you say you were going to eat something containing pork products? yope did he think you were unaware of a pork product in something? no did he stop you eating something? no try to? no did he try to stop you buying something? no was he offering you food? yope had he made something for you to eat? yopesomething kosher? no thinking you would want it? no was you response that bewildered him - rejecting something he was offering you? no getting cross with him? no eating something he wasn't expecting you to? no eating something with pork in it? no eating something without pork in it? yope is the exact foodstuff here relevant? yes or yesish was it something which unexpectedly contains pork products? no (like some pink sugary pig shaped sweets we recently offered to a vegetarian before realising they contained pork gelatine - yuck!)P No--& I wouldn't say "yuck" to this if the sweets tasted good | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 197 Registered: 10-2003 |
Is there a selection of similar items on offer, some of which contain pork and some not? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1683 Registered: 8-2001 |
Mycroft (Mycroft) New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 197 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 9:13 pm: Is there a selection of similar items on offer, some of which contain pork and some not? yope | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 383 Registered: 6-2006 |
Your bewildering response: an action? or an attitude? emotion? anger? happiness? disappointment? laughter? Did he possibly not invite you to some event because he thought you wouldnt be able to eat the food? Like a pig roast or barbecue? If so, was it your reaction to the non-invition that bewildered him? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1685 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beccaann (Beccaann) New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 383 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 9:22 pm: Your bewildering response: an action?yope or an attitude?yope or yesish emotion? no anger? no happiness? yesishdisappointment? no laughter? no Did he possibly not invite you to some event because he thought you wouldnt be able to eat the food? no Like a pig roast or barbecue? no If so, was it your reaction to the non-invition that bewildered him? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1691 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: This puzzle would work with pork products (including ham, bacon, etc.) but not with lobster, which is also taboo for religious Jews | ||
| Wunderland (Wunderland)
New member Username: Wunderland Post Number: 1307 Registered: 3-2005 |
Was he trying to be considerate to you? or to someone else? | ||
| Senorina_illuminata (Senorina_illuminata)
New member Username: Senorina_illuminata Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2006 |
did you call him a pig? eat like a pig? vice versa? did you express joy at the sight of the product? disgust? references to 'babe?'lol sorry | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1694 Registered: 8-2001 |
Senorina_illuminata (Senorina_illuminata) New member Username: Senorina_illuminata Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2006 Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 8:16 am: did you call him a pig? no eat like a pig?unfortunately not vice versa? Do you mean did he call me a pig? No did you express joy at the sight of the product? no disgust? no references to 'babe? no'lol sorry | ||
| Wunderland (Wunderland)
New member Username: Wunderland Post Number: 1310 Registered: 3-2005 |
Halal relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1696 Registered: 8-2001 |
underland (Wunderland) New member Username: Wunderland Post Number: 1310 Registered: 3-2005 Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 11:46 pm: Halal relevant? no, although the puzzle could work just as well about an atheist from a Muslim background | ||
| Senorina_illuminata (Senorina_illuminata)
New member Username: Senorina_illuminata Post Number: 28 Registered: 9-2006 |
is it something to do with a play on words? rhyming words? synonyms? homonyms? verbal misunderstanding?, like was something misheard by you or by him? or was he asking you about some religious custom/aspect/tradition/rule/belief, and you did not know the answer to the question? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1699 Registered: 8-2001 |
Senorina_illuminata (Senorina_illuminata) New member Username: Senorina_illuminata Post Number: 28 Registered: 9-2006 Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 4:36 am: is it something to do with a play on words? no rhyming words? no synonyms? no homonyms? no verbal misunderstanding? noish, like was something misheard by you or by him? no or was he asking you about some religious custom/aspect/tradition/rule/belief, and you did not know the answer to the question? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1703 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Since the puzzle would work with pork but bnot with lobster, find out what other non-kosher foods it would & wouldn't work with | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 428 Registered: 6-2006 |
OK...other non-kosher foods. Would this work with: Rabbit? Camel? Other non-cloven-hooved mammals? Other non-cud-chewing mammals? Any type of shellfish? Birds of prey? Insects? Reptiles? Amphibians? Any other invertebrate animal? Dairy from any of these listed? Eggs of any of these listed? Fat from any of these listed? Improperly slaughtered animals that are otherwise kosher? Non-blood-drained animals that are otherwise kosher? Uncertified foods that are otherwise kosher? Foods cooked in a non-kosher environment that are otherwise kosher? Grape products made by non-jews? Insect infested foods that are otherwise kosher? Milk with meat? Fish with meat? Sea-mammals? Are there relevant kosher laws other than these that I am missing? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1706 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beccaann (Beccaann) New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 428 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 4:15 pm: OK...other non-kosher foods. Would this work with: Rabbit?no Camel?I think not but am not sure Other non-cloven-hooved mammals? some Other non-cud-chewing mammals? some Any type of shellfish? no Birds of prey? no Insects? no Reptiles? I doubt it Amphibians? ditto Any other invertebrate animal? I think not Dairy from any of these listed?some Eggs of any of these listed? yes Fat from any of these listed? yes Improperly slaughtered animals that are otherwise kosher? some Non-blood-drained animals that are otherwise kosher? some Uncertified foods that are otherwise kosher? some Foods cooked in a non-kosher environment that are otherwise kosher? some Grape products made by non-jews? some Insect infested foods that are otherwise kosher? some (yeech!!!!!!) Milk with meat? some cases Fish with meat? some cases Sea-mammals?some, maybe all Are there relevant kosher laws other than these that I am missing? no. Keep in mind that I know very little abt. kosher laws | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 430 Registered: 6-2006 |
what can I say, I also come from a Jewish family but have no religion of my own...but once I got going my Hebrew school days came flooding back to me... Ok, is it correct that this acquaintance prepared some kind of food? If so: Did he NOT prepare a certain food as an attempt to be considerate? Did he prepare a certain food as an attempt to be considerate? Did he prepare both a kosher dish and a non-kosher dish as an attempt to be considerate? Was your happiness because of the non-kosher dish being served? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1707 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beccaann (Beccaann) New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 430 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 6:36 pm: what can I say, I also come from a Jewish family but have no religion of my own Same here, except that I quit Sundasy school when I was 12...but once I got going my Hebrew school days came flooding back to me... Ok, is it correct that this acquaintance prepared some kind of food? yes If so: Did he NOT prepare a certain food as an attempt to be considerate? no Did he prepare a certain food as an attempt to be considerate? yope Did he prepare both a kosher dish and a non-kosher dish as an attempt to be considerate? no Was your happiness because of the non-kosher dish being served? yes | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 431 Registered: 6-2006 |
Does the attempt to be considerate involve his decision about what dish to serve? The way he prepared the dish? The way he served the dish? Whether or not he offered any to you? Is the reason he was preparing food in the first place relevant? Did he make the food for just 1 person? 2 people? 3? 4? 5?....LTPF list here... Are you this one person or one of these several people? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1709 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beccaann (Beccaann) New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 431 Registered: 6-2006 Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 4:39 pm: Does the attempt to be considerate involve his decision about what dish to serve? yes The way he prepared the dish? no The way he served the dish? no Whether or not he offered any to you? yes Is the reason he was preparing food in the first place relevant?yope Did he make the food for just 1 person? 2 people? 3? 4? 5?....LTPF list here... irrel Are you this one person or one of these several people see previous answer | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 671 Registered: 7-2001 |
did you think he was trying to be considerate for another reason? trying to help you lose (or not gain) weight? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1712 Registered: 8-2001 |
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 10:12 pm: did you think he was trying to be considerate for another reason? yes trying to help you lose (or not gain) weight? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1717 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Unsurprisingly, clever Hannah's latest posting is ORT (on the right track). Find out why!! | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1842 Registered: 2-2001 |
Did he present some particular dish to you stating that it was "ok for you to eat" or something similar? Or maybe he said he'd understand if you didn't eat what he had prepared? Or that he'd prepared it with you/someone like you in mind? Cholesterol relevant? Health? Did you think he thought you simply wouldn't like something? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1725 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bodo (Bodo) New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1842 Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 10:27 pm: Did he present some particular dish to you stating that it was "ok for you to eat" or something similar? no Or maybe he said he'd understand if you didn't eat what he had prepared? no Or that he'd prepared it with you/someone like you in mind? no Cholesterol relevantyes Health? yes Did you think he thought you simply wouldn't like something? no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1847 Registered: 2-2001 |
So he told you something about the ingredients? Preperation? of the dish/meal which you interpreted to mean he was thinking of your cholosterol/BP/whatever? When his real concern was the kosherness of the food? Anything about fat (trans-fat, poly/mono/whatever/saturated, hydrogenized etc.)? Butter? Schmaltz? Lard? Sodium? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 1726 Registered: 8-2001 |
8-2001 Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 10:35 pm: Bodo (Bodo) New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1842 Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 10:27 pm: Did he present some particular dish to you stating that it was "ok for you to eat" or something similar? no Or maybe he said he'd understand if you didn't eat what he had prepared? no Or that he'd prepared it with you/someone like you in mind? no Cholesterol relevantyes Health? yes Did you think he thought you simply wouldn't like something? no Bodo (Bodo) New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1847 Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 11:15 pm: So he told you something about the ingredients? yope Preperation? no of the dish/meal which you interpreted to mean he was thinking of your cholosterol yes/BP/ nowhatever? When his real concern was the kosherness of the food? yes Anything about fat (trans-fat, poly/mono/whatever/saturated, hydrogenized etc.)?\bP yope} Butter?\ b{ no} Schmaltz? no Lard? yope Sodium? no This is close enough for me to post a **SPOILER ********** (especially since I'm desperate to post a new puzzle.When a well-meaning acquaintance was planning a dinner party, he asked me, "Do you eat pork?" "No problem," I replied cheerily."I'm on Lipitor." Huh?" he said. He was wondering if I observed Jewish dietary laws, but that possibility did npot even cross my mind--I guess I'm really not Jewish anymore (if I ever was). Please check out my new, harder, puzzle. |
