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Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 250 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 8:45 am: |      |
At a major golf tournament, a player's ball is in the rough. He has a clear view of the pin on the green, but he does not play his shot towards the green. He opts to chip out on to the fairway instead. Why? |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 10:20 am: |      |
Is chipping onto the fairway advantageous to him? Would he rather play a shot towards the pin? Is he prevented in some way from playing toward the pin? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 251 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 11:03 am: |      |
Martin, Is chipping onto the fairway advantageous to him? NO Would he rather play a shot towards the pin? HE CHOSE NOT TO. Is he prevented in some way from playing toward the pin? NO PAUL |
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
New member Username: Wizardofnz
Post Number: 380 Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 11:13 am: |      |
Is he doing this deliberately to the detriment of his own play? Is he aiming to get as good a score as possible? Is he doing this for the benefit or detriment of a relevant 2nd party? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 252 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 11:14 am: |      |
Is he doing this deliberately to the detriment of his own play? NO Is he aiming to get as good a score as possible? YES - BUT Is he doing this for the benefit or detriment of a relevant 2nd party? NO |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 11:16 am: |      |
Good Morning, Is the pin on the green of the hole that he is currently playing? |
Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian
Post Number: 453 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 11:21 am: |      |
we usually use bold text for answers, for ease of reading, Administrator... \b{text} |
Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
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Post Number: 291 Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 12:29 pm: |      |
Hey, I use colours! |
Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian
Post Number: 458 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 12:39 pm: |      |
Hadn't figured out how to do colours, until you mentioned it just now. Either way, I'm sure you'll agree with me these methods help us keep things clear. Anyway... Would the shot be considered legal within the usual rules of the game? Is this an adult game of golf, like Tiger Woods plays? Or a crazy-golf type game, involving ramps & tunnels, like I play ? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 253 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 1:38 pm: |      |
Martin, Is the pin on the green of the hole that he is currently playing? YES |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 254 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 1:40 pm: |      |
PLEB, I USE CAPS - QUICKER Would the shot be considered legal within the usual rules of the game? Is this an adult game of golf, like Tiger Woods plays? YES Or a crazy-golf type game, involving ramps & tunnels, like I play NO |
Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
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Post Number: 523 Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 1:42 pm: |      |
Is there any intervening hazard (water, trees, bunkers)? He has a clear view of the green; does he have a clear shot? Is he carrying the proper club that he would need to attack the green? Is he in a situation where he only needs to achieve a certain score, so he decides to play it safe (i.e. tied with another player at end of regulation, and his opponent already took several shots or a penalty on the hole?) Other conditions relevant (wind, green speed, etc.)? Is he concerned with something other than this hole's score? Statistics, records, etc. (say, making greens in regulation and its a par 5)? Speaking of which, is par relevant at all? 3? 4? 5? |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 1:49 pm: |      |
Paul Is his distance from the pin relevant? If so is he too far away to expect to reach it? Is he too close to the pin, so that his shot would over-run and leave him a difficult putt? Is something about the lie of the ball relevant? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 255 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 5:01 pm: |      |
Stucco, Is there any intervening hazard (water, trees, bunkers)? NO He has a clear view of the green; does he have a clear shot? YES Is he carrying the proper club that he would need to attack the green? YES Is he in a situation where he only needs to achieve a certain score, so he decides to play it safe (i.e. tied with another player at end of regulation, and his opponent already took several shots or a penalty on the hole?) NO Other conditions relevant (wind, green speed, etc.)? NO Is he concerned with something other than this hole's score? LOOSELY - YES Statistics, records, etc. (say, making greens in regulation and its a par 5)? NO Speaking of which, is par relevant at all? 3? 4? 5? IRRELEVANT |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 256 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 5:02 pm: |      |
MARTIN Is his distance from the pin relevant? NO If so is he too far away to expect to reach it? NO Is he too close to the pin, so that his shot would over-run and leave him a difficult putt? NO Is something about the lie of the ball relevant? NO |
Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab
Post Number: 1309 Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 6:07 pm: |      |
Is he playing for high score, rather than low? Is he playing with an aim of getting a particular score, and he's currently a bit low compared to where he needs (wants) to be? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 257 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 6:11 pm: |      |
Rabrab, Is he playing for high score, rather than low? Is he playing with an aim of getting a particular score, and he's currently a bit low compared to where he needs (wants) to be? NO, NO |
Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft
Post Number: 194 Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 8:44 pm: |      |
Is he trying to draw attention away from the pin or the green? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 258 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 8:57 pm: |      |
Mycroft Is he trying to draw attention away from the pin or the green? NO |
Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann
Post Number: 366 Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 9:02 pm: |      |
Are any other players relevant? |
Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft
Post Number: 198 Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 9:17 pm: |      |
proudly displaying my ignorance of golf... Is it to his advantage, gamewise, to allow someone else to finish the hole first? |
Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft
Post Number: 199 Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 9:20 pm: |      |
Is it relevant which hole it is? |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 10:05 pm: |      |
Is he playing on his own i.e. not a fousome etc.? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 259 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 8:24 am: |      |
Hi, Are any other players relevant? NO Is it to his advantage, gamewise, to allow someone else to finish the hole first? NO Is it relevant which hole it is? NO Is he playing on his own i.e. not a fousome etc.? IRRELEVANT |
Bentarm (Bentarm)
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Post Number: 939 Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:27 pm: |      |
Does he expect to finish this hole in fewer shots by chipping onto the fairway than he would by attempting to play onto the green? More? The same number? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 260 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:52 pm: |      |
Bentarm, Does he expect to finish this hole in fewer shots by chipping onto the fairway than he would by attempting to play onto the green? More? The same number? NO. HE KNOWS IT COULD COST HIM A SHOT. |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 1:04 pm: |      |
Would another player in the same position have played the same shot? Is there something physical that prevents him playing toward the pin? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 261 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 10:26 pm: |      |
Martin, Would another player in the same position have played the same shot? PROBABLY NOT Is there something physical that prevents him playing toward the pin? NO |
Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean
Post Number: 943 Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 6:25 pm: |      |
Does he have a phobia / obsessional neurosis or some condition that dictates his choice of shot? Is his peresonality or culture relevant? |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 7:12 pm: |      |
To an observer would his actions have appeared rational? If he explained his reason to his caddy would his caddy agree with his choice of shot? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 262 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 9:40 am: |      |
Beoean and Martin, Does he have a phobia / obsessional neurosis or some condition that dictates his choice of shot? NO Is his personality or culture relevant? A LITTLE To an observer would his actions have appeared rational? YES - IF THEY KNEW THE CIRCUMSTANCES If he explained his reason to his caddy would his caddy agree with his choice of shot? POSSIBLY YES BUT PROBABLY NOT GOOD QUESTIONS |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 11:09 am: |      |
Are any superstitions relevant? If he played towards the pin would something bad happen to him? To somone else? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 263 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 11:43 am: |      |
Martin, Are any superstitions relevant? If he played towards the pin would something bad happen to him? To somone else? NO TO ALL THOSE |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 1:13 pm: |      |
Did the golfer know he would not attack the pin before he addressed the ball? if so was it as he approached the ball? or when he saw where the ball had come to rest? or Straight after he had made his last shot? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 264 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 5:31 pm: |      |
Martin, Did the golfer know he would not attack the pin before he addressed the ball? YES if so was it as he approached the ball? YES or when he saw where the ball had come to rest? AND YES or Straight after he had made his last shot? AND PROBABLY YES |
Beroean (Beroean)
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Post Number: 944 Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 5:38 pm: |      |
Did he intend to make the ball rebound off something? Was there any cheating involved? |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 21 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 5:40 pm: |      |
If the ball had landed on the fairway, but in the same position relative to the pin would he have still taken the extra chip shot? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 265 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 5:59 pm: |      |
Bero and Martin, Did he intend to make the ball rebound off something? NO Was there any cheating involved? NO - EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE If the ball had landed on the fairway, but in the same position relative to the pin would he have still taken the extra chip shot? NO |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 6:02 pm: |      |
Was the chip shot some form of penalty stroke? Had he gone out of bounds? |
Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean
Post Number: 945 Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 6:50 pm: |      |
Was he a Buddhist? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 266 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 10:35 pm: |      |
Bero and Martin, Was the chip shot some form of penalty stroke? Had he gone out of bounds? Was he a Buddhist? NO TO ALL THOSE |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 11:01 pm: |      |
Did he play the shot in the interests of good sportsmanship? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 267 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 11:39 pm: |      |
Martin, Did he play the shot in the interests of good sportsmanship? YES - VERY GOOD |
Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig
Post Number: 308 Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 11:43 pm: |      |
Was he playing a bad player, and wanted to give him a chance? |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 7:28 am: |      |
Had he commited a foul that had gone un-noticed by the officials? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 268 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 8:23 am: |      |
Crazy and Martin, Was he playing a bad player, and wanted to give him a chance? NO Had he commited a foul that had gone un-noticed by the officials? NO |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 8:35 am: |      |
If he plays towards the pin would he break any of the rules of golf? If he plays towards the pin would it be considered to be unsporting? If he had played towards the pin would any observers have thought him to be unsporting? or Was it he himself making a moral descision? |
Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean
Post Number: 946 Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 9:23 am: |      |
Was he playing pairs? Was he playing this shot with his partner in mind? Would a direct shot to the green have encumbered his opponent in any way? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 269 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 10:39 am: |      |
Martin, If he plays towards the pin would he break any of the rules of golf? NO If he plays towards the pin would it be considered to be unsporting? POSSIBLY If he had played towards the pin would any observers have thought him to be unsporting? POSSIBLY or Was it he himself making a moral decision? YES |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 270 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 10:40 am: |      |
BERO, Was he playing pairs? YES BUT IRRELEVANT Was he playing this shot with his partner in mind? NO Would a direct shot to the green have encumbered his opponent in any way? NO |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 10:55 am: |      |
Did he feel as if he had recieved an unfair advantage? If so,was this because of, His position? His lie? His opponents position? His partners position? An external factor? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 271 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 11:33 am: |      |
Martin, Did he feel as if he had recieved an unfair advantage? YES If so,was this because of, His position? YES - ISH His lie? His opponents position? His partners position? NO TO THOSE An external factor? YES |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 11:38 am: |      |
Had his ball moved again after initially coming to rest? Did his ball strike something before coming to rest? Was his ball deflected into the rough? |
Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean
Post Number: 947 Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 12:51 pm: |      |
Had his ball knocked into his opponents ball? Did his ball hit a spectator or anyone else? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 272 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 1:35 pm: |      |
Hi, Had his ball moved again after initially coming to rest? Did his ball strike something before coming to rest? Was his ball deflected into the rough? Had his ball knocked into his opponents ball? Did his ball hit a spectator or anyone else? NO TO ALL THOSE |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |      |
Is the time of year relevant? weather? Course conditions? |
Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt
Post Number: 529 Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 2:25 pm: |      |
Did his lie result from any unusual circumstances? Did it collide with anything (e.g. a bird) on the previous shot? Did he gain his unfair advantage unintentionally? Did the advantage have anything to do with his previous shot? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 273 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 2:35 pm: |      |
Martin and Stucco, Is the time of year relevant? NO weather? YES Course conditions? YES Did his lie result from any unusual circumstances? NO - PLEASE REPHRASE Did it collide with anything (e.g. a bird) on the previous shot? NO Did he gain his unfair advantage unintentionally? YES Did the advantage have anything to do with his previous shot? NO |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 4:22 pm: |      |
Is the course unusually; Wet? Dry? Is the relevant weather condition; Wind? Rain? Sunshine? Snow? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 274 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 4:25 pm: |      |
Martin Is the course unusually; Wet? MAYBE Dry? NO Is the relevant weather condition; Wind? Rain? Sunshine? Snow? NO BE CAREFUL ABOUT YOUR ASSUMPTIONS HERE |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 37 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 8:15 pm: |      |
If he were playing a different opponent would he still have played the chip shot? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 275 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 10:29 pm: |      |
Martin, If he were playing a different opponent would he still have played the chip shot? YES |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 38 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 9:36 am: |      |
Are weather conditions a contributing factor to his percieved unfair advantage? |
Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian
Post Number: 483 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 10:50 am: |      |
Has something happened to his opponents last shot which would mean for our player to play towards the hole would be bad form? Or has something happened to his opponent himself? |
Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt
Post Number: 532 Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 2:39 pm: |      |
To be sure: Are they playing at a typical, outdoor golf course? Is it a typical, real game of golf (as opposed to a video game, etc.)? Are the weather/conditions the same for the two players? Did the weather/conditions alter the flight of his or his opponents' last shot? The ground on which the shot(s) landed? Did it affect the golfers' sight? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 276 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 4:10 pm: |      |
Martin,, Are weather conditions a contributing factor to his percieved unfair advantage? YES - LOOSELY |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 277 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 4:11 pm: |      |
PLEB, Has something happened to his opponents last shot which would mean for our player to play towards the hole would be bad form? Or has something happened to his opponent himself? NO TO THOSE |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 278 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 4:13 pm: |      |
STUCCO, Are they playing at a typical, outdoor golf course? YES Is it a typical, real game of golf (as opposed to a video game, etc.)? YES Are the weather/conditions the same for the two players? YES Did the weather/conditions alter the flight of his or his opponents' last shot? The ground on which the shot(s) landed? NO, NO Did it affect the golfers' sight? PLEASE REPHRASE |
Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
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Post Number: 533 Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 4:31 pm: |      |
Are both golfers able to see? Is either's ability hindered by the weather/external factors? Are both golfers healthy, unimpaired humans? Are they both male? Does either have a physical trait that needs to be discovered? Something sensory (blindness/color-blindness, deafness, obesity, extremely short or tall, etc.)? Are both right-handed? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 279 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 5:26 pm: |      |
Stucco, Are both golfers able to see? YES Is either's ability hindered by the weather/external factors? NO Are both golfers healthy, unimpaired humans? YES Are they both male? YES - OR IRRELEVANT Does either have a physical trait that needs to be discovered? Something sensory (blindness/color-blindness, deafness, obesity, extremely short or tall, etc.)? NO Are both right-handed? IREELEVANT |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 40 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 5:33 pm: |      |
Is fog involved? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 280 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 6:12 pm: |      |
Martin, Is fog involved? NO |
Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian
Post Number: 494 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 10:09 am: |      |
Was our man an average golf player? Unusually good? Or bad? Was his opponent? If it had been the opponent's shot next, before our man played the unusual shot, would he have been able to play a shot? Would he have been able to play a standard, reasonable shot? If it had been the opponent's shot, and he'd taken a reasonable shot, would our man have gone on to play his strange shot anyway? (by reasonable shot I mean a shot someone adept at playing golf and attempting to win would play) |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 281 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 10:30 am: |      |
Pleb, Was our man an average golf player? Unusually good? Or bad? Was his opponent? GOOD - BUT IRRELEVANT If it had been the opponent's shot next, before our man played the unusual shot, would he have been able to play a shot? Would he have been able to play a standard, reasonable shot? YES If it had been the opponent's shot, and he'd taken a reasonable shot, would our man have gone on to play his strange shot anyway? YES |
Plebeian (Plebeian)
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Post Number: 499 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 10:35 am: |      |
At the time of the unusual shot, were the two men's scores for the hole (? or the round?)... Equal? Different by 1? 2? More? Is this game taking place during the day? |
0815 (0815)
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Post Number: 451 Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 11:45 am: |      |
Did his opponent get a penalty? Did the odd player think this was unjustified? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 282 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 11:15 am: |      |
Pleb and 0815, At the time of the unusual shot, were the two men's scores for the hole (? or the round?)... Equal? Different by 1? 2? More? IRRELEVANT Is this game taking place during the day? YES Did his opponent get a penalty? Did the odd player think this was unjustified? NO |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 43 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 11:24 am: |      |
The loosley contributing weather was it: windy? sunny? raining? thunderstorm? cloudy? foggy? misty? snowing? icy? very low temperatures? very high temperatures? hailstone? sleet? Did his ball land in a hazard (bunker,water, etc.)? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 283 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 10:21 am: |      |
Martin, The loosley contributing weather was it: windy? sunny? raining? thunderstorm? cloudy? foggy? misty? snowing? icy? very low temperatures? very high temperatures? hailstone? sleet? THUNDERSTORM Did his ball land in a hazard (bunker,water, etc.)? NO - HE WAS IN THE ROUGH |
Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm
Post Number: 411 Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 12:19 pm: |      |
Is he afraid of being struck by lightning? Is his choice of club affected by some lightning-related consideration? Has he been struck by lightning earlier in the game? Has his opponent? Is it relevant that golf clubs conduct lightning? Are trees relevant in any way? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 284 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 8:44 am: |      |
Woodworm, Is he afraid of being struck by lightning? NOT NOW Is his choice of club affected by some lightning-related consideration? Has he been struck by lightning earlier in the game? Has his opponent? Is it relevant that golf clubs conduct lightning? NO TO THOSE Are trees relevant in any way? YES |
Senorina_illuminata (Senorina_illuminata)
New member Username: Senorina_illuminata
Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 9:18 am: |      |
he did not want his opponent to have to stand under a tree? or he didn't want to stand under a tree? |
Admin (Admin)
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Post Number: 285 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:39 am: |      |
Senorina, he did not want his opponent to have to stand under a tree? or he didn't want to stand under a tree? NO |
0815 (0815)
New member Username: 0815
Post Number: 469 Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:46 am: |      |
Is there a thunderstorm? Has there been a thunderstorm? Is a thunderstorm approaching? Position of his opponent relevant? Is the relevant fact about the trees that they are likely to be hit by lightning? Light conditions relevant? Thunder relevant? |
Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian
Post Number: 515 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 11:12 am: |      |
Had the opponent had to play a less-than efficient shot previously? In order to avoid being under trees during an approaching thunderstorm? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 286 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 1:41 pm: |      |
815 and Pleb, Is there a thunderstorm? NO Has there been a thunderstorm? YES Is a thunderstorm approaching? NO Position of his opponent relevant? NO Is the relevant fact about the trees that they are likely to be hit by lightning? NO - NOT EXACTLY Light conditions relevant? Thunder relevant? NO Had the opponent had to play a less-than efficient shot previously? In order to avoid being under trees during an approaching thunderstorm? NO |
Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian
Post Number: 517 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 2:14 pm: |      |
Was the ground particularly wet (in parts of the course) after the storm? Were there puddles? Were there any fallen branches? Or fallen leaves? |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Post Number: 49 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 2:50 pm: |      |
Had a tree been hit by lightning previously? |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 50 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 4:10 pm: |      |
Had his opponents last shot been taken before the thunderstorm? Had his opponents shot been taken from a similar position to where his ball now lay? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 287 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 6:45 pm: |      |
Pleb and Martin, Was the ground particularly wet (in parts of the course) after the storm? Were there puddles? Were there any fallen branches? Or fallen leaves? IRRELEVANT Had a tree been hit by lightning previously? YES Had his opponents last shot been taken before the thunderstorm? YES Had his opponents shot been taken from a similar position to where his ball now lay? YES |
Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg
Post Number: 51 Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 7:23 pm: |      |
Is the green more accressible from this position than it was before the storm? Has a tree been felled or seriously cut back by lightening? Has lightning caused the the green to be more accessible to him than it was for his opponent? And he feels that as this was an act of god it would be more sporting to play a shot similar to his opponent? |
Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian
Post Number: 521 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 9:41 am: |      |
Had his opponent's previous shot been deflected by a falling (? or fallen?) tree? |
0815 (0815)
New member Username: 0815
Post Number: 472 Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 9:59 am: |      |
Did his opponent's ball land under a tree? Was this tree struck by lightning? So that the opponent had a hard time getting at the ball under the remains of the tree? |
Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 288 Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 6:41 pm: |      |
Martin, * * * * SPOILER * * * Is the green more accressible from this position than it was before the storm? Has a tree been felled or seriously cut back by lightning? Has lightning caused the the green to be more accessible to him than it was for his opponent? And he feels that as this was an act of god it would be more sporting to play a shot similar to his opponent? Close enough. Well done. He had gone out in the final group the day before and his ball had lodged in the rough behind a large tree. He was about to play out onto the fairway when the hooter sounded to end play because of a thunderstorm which was just starting. He marked his ball position. The next day he returned to find that the tree had been struck by lightning and he now had a clear view of the green. Since all the other players had played the course with that tree in place he decided to play the shot he had previously chosen in the interests of good sportsmanship. |
Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab
Post Number: 1330 Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 2:29 am: |      |
Nice puzzle, Admin. I admit I was chasing my own tail on this one... |