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Dodgyken (Dodgyken)
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Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It couldn't happen today

Find out what and why!!
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Title relevant? MP = machine pistol? member of parliament? military police? method of puzzle-solving?
Date relevant? Monday relevant? Weather relevant? Politics relevant? Religion relevant?
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Could it not happen on this particular day? At this period in history? Will it never be able to happen again?
Is it yesterday? Is it tomorrow? :-)
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Title relevant? Yes MP = machine pistol? No member of parliament? No military police? No method of puzzle-solving? No
Date relevant? Yes Monday relevant? No Weather relevant? No Politics relevant? No Religion relevant? No

Could it not happen on this particular day? ??? I hate negative questions No At this period in history? Yes Will it never be able to happen again? No
Is it yesterday? No Is it tomorrow? No
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Is technology relevant? Is it something about the actual numbers in the date? Could it have happened yesterday? in 1995? In 1950?
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Is September 11 relevant? terror?
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Is technology relevant? No Is it something about the actual numbers in the date? No Could it have happened yesterday? No in 1995? No In 1950? No

Is September 11 relevant? No terror? No
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Could it have happened at a previous time?
Before the discovery of electricity?
Before the invention of powered flight?
Before the invention of the television?
Before the invention of the wheel?
100 years ago?
200 years ago?
More?
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Could it have happened at a previous time? Yes
Before the discovery of electricity? No
Before the invention of powered flight? No
Before the invention of the television? No
Before the invention of the wheel? No
100 years ago? No
200 years ago? No
More? No
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Hint: There is a clue in the title. It is obscure but it is a clue
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Is MP the MP from MP3? Or MPEG?
(which I believe stands for Motion Picture)
Incidentally, could it happen today, as opposed to the date you set the puzzle?
Could it happen tomorrow?
could it happen at a time in the future?
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Is MP the MP from MP3? No Or MPEG? No
(which I believe stands for Motion Picture)
Incidentally, could it happen today, as opposed to the date you set the puzzle? No
Could it happen tomorrow? No
could it happen at a time in the future? Yes

To clarify, "Today" perhaps should be replaced with "this year". Today being the present time we are living in. I apologise for my poor use of language!!!!

1) It did happen in the past
2) It cant happen this year
3) It could happen in the future
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OOH dodgyken puzzle!!! does it need electricity?
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Is there something about the number 2006 which means it can't happen this year?
Does M stand for a word? Does P?
Is the title the start of a joke, kind of "The only useful MP... is a dead MP"? (whatever MP stands for, which obviously is yet to be determined)
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Did it happen more than once? more than 10 times? more than 100 times? more than 1000 times? more than 1000000 times? Did it happen at regular time intervals?

Did it happen in one place? Did it happen in a large region? Did it happen all over the world? Did it once happen at place A and another time at place B?

Calendar relevant? Sun relevant? Moon relevant? Leap years relevant?
History of planet earth relevant? Climate relevant?
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OOH dodgyken puzzle!!! does it need electricity? No

Is there something about the number 2006 which means it can't happen this year? No
Does M stand for a word? Yes Does P? Yes
Is the title the start of a joke, kind of "The only useful MP... is a dead MP"? (whatever MP stands for, which obviously is yet to be determined) No

Did it happen more than once? No more than 10 times? No more than 100 times? No more than 1000 times? No more than 1000000 times? No Did it happen at regular time intervals? No

Did it happen in one place? Yope Did it happen in a large region? No Did it happen all over the world? No Did it once happen at place A and another time at place B? No

Calendar relevant? No Sun relevant? No Moon relevant? No Leap years relevant? No
History of planet earth relevant? No Climate relevant? No

I could make my puzzles easier and considerably less obscure, but then again where would the fun be in that!
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So it happened once on the past, correct? And it could happen once (? or more than once?) in the future, true?
Was there a specific time in the past when it happened?
When it happened, was it happening for:-
seconds?
minutes?
hours?
days?
weeks?
months?
years?
centuries?
i know you could answer all of these truthfully with a yes, given that any period of time could be represented as a large or small number of these units, however I hope you'll be more helpful than that...
Was it something which could be measured in a timespan at all?
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So, it did happen exactly once?
Did it happen on land? at sea? at one of the poles?
Exact country relevant? Place relevant at all?

Did it happen this year? last year? less than 10 years ago? less than 100 years ago? less than 1000 yers ago? less than 10000 years ago?

Did it take less than 1 second to happen? less than 1 minute? less than 1 hour? less than 1 day? less than 1 week? less than 1 month? less than 1 year? less than 1 decade? less than 1 century?

Was it caused by humans? Is it a natural phenomenon?

Is the thing that couldn't happen today referred to as MP?

Is MP a common abbreviation? an abbreviation known to a certain community? an abbreviation you made up?

Did other MPs happen? which were not useful?
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So it happened once on the past, correct? Once in the past = Yes And it could happen once (? or more than once? Yes - more than once) in the future, true? Yes
Was there a specific time in the past when it happened? Yes
When it happened, was it happening for:-
seconds?
minutes?
hours?
days?
weeks?
months?
years?
centuries?
i know you could answer all of these truthfully with a yes, given that any period of time could be represented as a large or small number of these units, however I hope you'll be more helpful than that...

It happened once - and that was it. It cant be defined as happening over a period of time. It happened once, it was recorded as such, and history can refer to it as it happening. The "it" cant be measured in a period of time. But as I repeat below if you have to be absolutely pedantic it happened in less than a year.

Was it something which could be measured in a timespan at all? No - see above. THIS IS THE IMPORTANT BIT. It could be measured in time (ie less than a year) but please reverse up the path of looking for the length of time it took to happen.

So, it did happen exactly once? Yes
Did it happen on land? Irrel at sea? Irrel at one of the poles? Irrel
Exact country relevant? No Place relevant at all? No

Did it happen this year? No last year? No less than 10 years ago? No less than 100 years ago? Yes less than 1000 yers ago? Yes less than 10000 years ago? Yes

Did it take less than 1 second to happen? less than 1 minute? less than 1 hour? less than 1 day? less than 1 week? less than 1 month? less than 1 year? See above for all of these, but if you wanted to be pedantic less than a year would be closest. But to reiterate, the time it took is not relevent and not important less than 1 decade? less than 1 century?

Was it caused by humans? Yes Is it a natural phenomenon? No

Is the thing that couldn't happen today referred to as MP? "It" is not MP. Dont mix the cryptic clue title with the question

Is MP a common abbreviation? No an abbreviation known to a certain community? Yes!!! an abbreviation you made up? {No - looks offended}

Did other MPs happen? which were not useful?
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Did other MPs happen? Yes which were not useful? Yes and No
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This thing zoomed the hour I was gone... did this happen in a specific place?(thinking about when England lost 10 days)
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This thing zoomed the hour I was gone... did this happen in a specific place?(thinking about when England lost 10 days) Irrel

Oh yes - it has been a busy day at the office!! I am lining up a couple of more puzzles if people are interested.
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Hope you don't feel offended at any of these questions: :-)

Is MP a person? an animal? an item? something tangible? a task? an event? an activity? an emotion? a piece of information?

The community that uses this abbreviation:
Do they work in the same field? Do they share a hobby? Sport relevant? Film/music/press relevant? Do they have a certain physical condition? Do they have a certain mental condition?

Did the "it" happen in the 1st decade of the 20th century? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? 5th? 6th? 7th? 8th? 9th? 10th? Is it something that was in the news? Is it something that was recognized all over the world?
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Hope you don't feel offended at any of these questions: Of course not

Is MP a person? No an animal? No an item? Yesish something tangible? Yes a task? No an event? No an activity? No an emotion? No a piece of information? No

The community that uses this abbreviation:
Do they work in the same field? Yes and No Do they share a hobby? Yesish Sport relevant? Yes Film/music/press relevant? No Do they have a certain physical condition? No Do they have a certain mental condition? No - or depending on your point of view that could that be a yes!!!!

Did the "it" happen in the 1st decade of the 20th century? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? 5th? 6th? 7th? 8th? 9th? 10th? Is it something that was in the news? Yesish Is it something that was recognized all over the world? Yes

It happened in the 80s - thought that was easier than lots of No's!!!!

Good questions
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Something concerning the fashion (i.e. clothes) of the 80s?
Something concerning technology from the 80s?
Something concerning the politics of the 80s?
Global politics? Or national politics?
If the latter, is the country relevant?
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Something concerning the fashion (i.e. clothes) of the 80s? No
Something concerning technology from the 80s? Yope I think is the best answer here
Something concerning the politics of the 80s? No
Global politics? No Or national politics? No
If the latter, is the country relevant? Irrel
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Do we have to find out a specific kind of sport? Would this puzzle work with different kinds of sport? Sport as in physical exercise? or sport as in brain exercise (e.g. chess etc.)? Computer or console gaming relevant?

Sports equipment of the time relevant? Game rules relevant?

Olympic games relevant? (If yes: winter games? summer games?) Soccer worldcup relevant? Other worldcup relevant?

Some wild guesswork:

"Do they work in the same field?" got the answer "Yes and No". Does this mean if I take the figurative meaning of "field" it's a yes? and if I take "field" to mean "a patch of land" it's a no? ... maybe because the players of opposing teams are in different fields?

Does the "P" in MP stand for "play*" (where * represents a wildcard)?
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Do we have to find out a specific kind of sport? Yes Would this puzzle work with different kinds of sport? No Sport as in physical exercise? No or sport as in brain exercise (e.g. chess etc.)? No Computer or console gaming relevant? irrel

Sports equipment of the time relevant? Yope Game rules relevant? Yes

Olympic games relevant? No (If yes: winter games? No summer games?No ) Soccer worldcup relevant? No Other worldcup relevant? Yope

Some wild guesswork:

"Do they work in the same field?" got the answer "Yes and No". Does this mean if I take the figurative meaning of "field" it's a yes? and if I take "field" to mean "a patch of land" it's a no? ... maybe because the players of opposing teams are in different fields? If mean "Yes" those working in the same field would know about it AND No you dont have to work in the same field to know about it

Does the "P" in MP stand for "play*" (where * represents a wildcard)? No

You are definately closing in on this one
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World record attempts relevant?
Drug-related disqualifications?
Is the relevant sport one which would make a person physically tired?
Or a sport which is sedate, e.g. Darts?
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World record attempts relevant? No
Drug-related disqualifications? No
Is the relevant sport one which would make a person physically tired? Yes
Or a sport which is sedate, e.g. Darts? No
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Is this a team sport?
An individual sport?
Does MP refer to a term (? or piece of equipment?) which players of the sport would use?
Would general people watching the sport recognise what MP was? Or just keen fans with a detailed knowlege of the sport?
Does MP in the title refer to a person?
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Is this a team sport? Yope
An individual sport? Yope
Does MP refer to a term (? or piece of equipment?) which players of the sport would use? Yope
Would general people watching the sport recognise what MP was? No Or just keen fans with a detailed knowlege of the sport? Yes
Does MP in the title refer to a person? No

I am guess at least one of us should be working
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Does the sport involve a ball? bats? rackets? clubs? a net? goals? protective clothing? vehicles? water?

Is this sport usually practised outside? in a gym? at home? at a fitness center? at a pub? at some special location designed for this sport? Can you play it all year?

Can you play it both as a team or as an individual? Are there teams but only one person gets all the attention and honours (e.g., Formula 1 or Tour de France)? Do you have varying team mates? Are there two competing fractions at a game? Are there more competing fractions? Is there only one fraction?

Did the rules of the game change? If yes: before "it" happened? after "it" happened?

Is the term MP mostly used by the players? trainers? referees? managers? press people? reporters? equipment manufacturers? fans? merchandizers?
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Does the sport involve a ball? No bats? Norackets? No clubs? No a net? No goals?No protective clothing? Yes vehicles? Yes water? No - unless it is raining

Is this sport usually practised outside? Yes in a gym? No at home? No at a fitness center? No at a pub? No at some special location designed for this sport? Yes Can you play it all year? Yope

Can you play it both as a team or as an individual? No Are there teams but only one person gets all the attention and honours (e.g., Formula 1 or Tour de France)? Yes Do you have varying team mates? Yes Are there two competing fractions at a game? No Are there more competing fractions? Yes Is there only one fraction? No

Did the rules of the game change? YES If yes: before "it" happened? No after "it" happened? Yes

Is the term MP mostly used by the players? Notrainers? No referees? No managers? Yope press people? Yope reporters? Noequipment manufacturers? Yope fans? Yopemerchandizers? No

MP is not a term used a lot but those that are yope would most likely use it.
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Was the sport motor racing? Or motor cycle racing? Hovercraft racing? Aeroplane-based competition?
Was the thing that happened the actual change to the rules?
Did this change to the rules improve safety? Or have a detrimental effect on safety?
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Was the sport motor racing? Yes Or motor cycle racing? No Hovercraft racing? No Aeroplane-based competition? No
Was the thing that happened the actual change to the rules? No
Did this change to the rules improve safety? No Or have a detrimental effect on safety? No
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Could it not happen today because the rules changed? Could a future rule change mean it could happen again?
Is it physically impossible for it to happen now? Or is it possible for it to happen, just against the rules?
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Could it not happen today because the rules changed? Yes Could a future rule change mean it could happen again? Yes
Is it physically impossible for it to happen now? No Or is it possible for it to happen, just against the rules? Yes

That is the most yes's I have had to type!!!
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Did the change of rules affect:-
The winner of a race?
The winner of a championship?
The number of cars in a race?
The type of car in a race?
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Did the change of rules affect:-
The winner of a race? No
The winner of a championship? Yes
The number of cars in a race? No
The type of car in a race? No
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Does MP refer to a part of the race car? Something that goes into the car (e.g. fuel)? Some accessory added to the car? A type of tire?
Does MP refer in any way to a person? A driver? Mechanic? Owner?
Does MP refer to an action? Or to an object? A type of racing?
Was MP illegal at the time of use? Or after?
Is the motor sport NASCAR? Formula 1? Off-road? Road rally? American? European? International?
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Does MP refer to a part of the race car? NoSomething that goes into the car (e.g. fuel)? No Some accessory added to the car? No A type of tire? No
Does MP refer in any way to a person? No A driver? No Mechanic? No Owner? Yes
Does MP refer to an action? No Or to an object? Yes A type of racing? No
Was MP illegal at the time of use? No Or after? No
Is the motor sport NASCAR? No Formula 1? Yes Off-road? No Road rally? No American? No European? No International? See F1
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Any reference to Max Mosley?
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Any reference to Max Mosley? No
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Does the change of rules involve starting places on the grid?
Or the way drivers get into their cars? (I seem to recall they used to start from the side and run to their cars)
Or some pit-lane activity?
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Does the change of rules involve starting places on the grid? No
Or the way drivers get into their cars? (I seem to recall they used to start from the side and run to their cars) No - anyway that was LeMans
Or some pit-lane activity? No
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Does the change of rules involve how the sport is scored? What is needed to win a championship?
Does the rule change concern something the owners are allowed to do? Something the owners can have?
Does the rule change concern something the drivers can do? Or have?
Did the rule change actually change the results of a championship race (e.g. disqualification)?
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Does the change of rules involve how the sport is scored? No What is needed to win a championship? Yes
Does the rule change concern something the owners are allowed to do? No Something the owners can have? No
Does the rule change concern something the drivers can do? No Or have? No
Did the rule change actually change the results of a championship race (e.g. disqualification)? No

So close someone should be able to get this in the next post!!!
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I wish I wasn't a NASCAR fan from the USA so I might know more about F1 racing. I've bee searching the internet for an answer and I see there were rule changes in the '80s, but darn if I can find the solution to this puzzle!
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I wish I wasn't a NASCAR fan from the USA so I might know more about F1 racing. I've bee searching the internet for an answer and I see there were rule changes in the '80s, but darn if I can find the solution to this puzzle!

Google is actually very bad at bringing back the result - dont worry I had to manual search to confirm the date of when the rule was changed!!!! And I am a fan, and know what MP means - even prior to this puzzle - and could tell you what it stands for and when it was first used!!
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M = Motor? Manual? Male? Multi?
P = Petrol?
Are MP a person's initials?
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M = Motor? Manual? Male? Multi? No to all
P = Petrol? No
Are MP a person's initials? M is P isnt
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A quick refresher to get this started so I can tie it up.

1) The rule (which has since been changed) changed the outcome of the championship
2) MP is an abbreviation - part name, part something else - and is related to the problem
3) The sport is Formula 1
4) It happened in the 80s.
5) Personally I like the rule!!!
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Was the rule introduced part way through a season?
Was the rule changed from A to B in the 80s, and is now back to A? Or changed permanently from A to B? Or further amended to something else?
(you said it has since been changed, but not clear exactly how).
Does the rule change affect:-
The make-up of the car? (Gears? Brakes? airfoils? computer aids? tyres? Number of engines? Number of cars?)
The layout of the track?(Bends? Straights?)
Pitlane activity?
Points penalties for some infringement?
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Was the rule introduced part way through a season? No
Was the rule changed from A to B in the 80s, and is now back to A? YES Or changed permanently from A to B? No Or further amended to something else? No
(you said it has since been changed, but not clear exactly how).
Does the rule change affect:-
The make-up of the car? No (Gears? Brakes? airfoils? computer aids? tyres? Number of engines? Number of cars?)
The layout of the track?(Bends? Straights?)
Pitlane activity?
Points penalties for some infringement? No to all the above

You are so close - focus on it changing the outcome of the championship. Almost close enough for the S word
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I seem to recall reading somewhere about the race changing from a single-lap system to a three part elimination type system. Is this the rule change in question?
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I seem to recall reading somewhere about the race changing from a single-lap system to a three part elimination type system. Is this the rule change in question? No

That is how qualifiying works this year as opposed to plenty of other methods they have used over the years.

The rule change effected the outcome of the championship
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Was this change mid-way through the season?
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Was this change mid-way through the season? No. The change happened, the event happened a couple of years later. A couple of years later the rules were changed back again. IIRC it was to make the champtionship more thrilling.
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The MP - was this announced kind of as 'a change in the rules has been made, this change is MP'?
Does the change prevent something? Or allow something?
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The MP - was this announced kind of as 'a change in the rules has been made, this change is MP'? No. The MP is very cryptic. Once you find the IT that happened, and therefore who IT happened to you should be able to figure out what the MP means (remember M is a person and P isnt)
Does the change prevent something? Or allow something? Yes and No. The rules were changed to allow it to happen. A few years later it happened. It didnt happen again, and a few years later they changed the rules so it couldnt happen.

I doubt they will ever allow it again.
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Who it happened to?
Did the change only affect one person?
Or is the one person the person who won the championship? Thanks to the change in the rules? (if the change affected who won the championship, it's likely to have affected the ones who didn't win as well..?)
Was anyone hurt (or killed?) as a result of the rule change?
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Who it happened to? No
Did the change only affect one person? No
Or is the one person the person who won the championship? YES YES YES YES - this is in the 1980s - so at this point I should suggest Wikipedia Thanks to the change in the rules? YES YES (if the change affected who won the championship, it's likely to have affected the ones who didn't win as well..?)
Was anyone hurt (or killed?) as a result of the rule change? No

Do you want to continue or should I s-word it?
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M = Mansell?
Changes to aerodynamics involved? Or the use of turbo chargers?
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M = Mansell? no
Changes to aerodynamics involved? No. Major aerodynamic rules were made early 80s Or the use of turbo chargers? No - but it was the last Turbo year
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We'll keep on plugging...
Is M the name of: -
A racing driver? (If so, first name? Or last?)
A manufacturer / racing team?
An owner of a racing team?
A venue?
A country?
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We'll keep on plugging...
Is M the name of: -
A racing driver? Yes (If so, first name? Or last?) Last Name
A manufacturer / racing team? Yes - same person
An owner of a racing team? Yes = same person
A venue? No
A country? No
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Moss? (I'd have thought the 80s were too late for him)
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McLaren? MP=McLaren Project?
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Moss? (I'd have thought the 80s were too late for him) No

McLaren? MP=McLaren Project? Yes - Ron Dennis who bought McLaren using his Project 4 company. Their cars are coded MP4/x. Not sure where they are up to now. Williams use FW the others I am not so sure on. Now you just need to get the rule change and this puzzle is done
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Narrow track rule to lessen mechanical grip (thanks wikipedia)?
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Narrow track rule to lessen mechanical grip (thanks wikipedia)? No

If you are checking out Wikipedia why not research the results of the championships in the l980s and see what stands out.
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To do with Ayrton Senna's win where he won the championship over Alian Prost, because he had mor 1st places, even though he had fewer points?
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To do with Ayrton Senna's win where he won the championship over Alian Prost, because he had mor 1st places, even though he had fewer points? YES

***********SPOILER**********
Spot on Olly. From the mid 80s until the early 90s F1 ran a rule that meant the champtionship was won by considering your best 11 results. Typically in those days if you finished 11 Grand Prixs you were doing very well indeed. The rule didnt make too much difference, but it was talked about quite a bit in commentary. In 1988 Aryton Senna took the title because although he scored less points than teammate Alain Prost his 11 best results yielded more points.

As mentioned earlier the rule was ditched in 1990. Personally I think that is a shame. The rule encouraged more agressive car designs and driving - if a car went pop, or a driver spun off it didnt necessarily end his championship hopes.

Thanks to all those who took part, especially Beccaann and Plebian for getting so close, and Olly for clearing the matter up.

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