| Author | Message | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 110 Registered: 7-2006 |
She kidnapped a man. | ||
| Comforteagle (Comforteagle)
New member Username: Comforteagle Post Number: 89 Registered: 7-2006 |
She= adult? human? female? man= adult? human? male? Was the kidnapping voluntary on his part? On hers? Did she take him using physical force? Threat? Deception? Was the kidnapping for a significant length of time? Is it what one typically would call a kidnapping? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 111 Registered: 7-2006 |
She= adult? human? female? Yes to all. man= adult? human? male? Yes to all. Was the kidnapping voluntary on his part? no On hers? yes Did she take him using physical force? yes Threat? no Deception? yesish Was the kidnapping for a significant length of time? Not long. Is it what one typically would call a kidnapping? Not sure, i'll say yope. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 343 Registered: 8-2006 |
did the man know her before the kidnapping? the woman knew him? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 533 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was this a kidnapping for monetary gain? By the Girl (Sue)? Was this some kind of prank? e.g. Student kidnapping of tutor? When kidnapped, was the man held against his will? Was, at some time in the future, the man (Dirk) returned to his normal life? Was any ransom asked for in return for the man's safety? Was any demand made in return for the man's safety? Did others know the man had been kidnapped? Did the police know while he was kidnapped? Did they find out afterwards? Did the public know this man? Did they know at the time he was kidnapped? Did they know afterwards? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 112 Registered: 7-2006 |
did the man know her before the kidnapping? no the woman knew him? no | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 113 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was this a kidnapping for monetary gain? no By the Girl (Sue)? She's an adult female, but yes, you may call her Sue. Was this some kind of prank? e.g. Student kidnapping of tutor? no When kidnapped, was the man held against his will? no Was, at some time in the future, the man (Dirk) returned to his normal life? Partial F/A, but in one sense, yes. Was any ransom asked for in return for the man's safety? no Was any demand made in return for the man's safety? no Did others know the man had been kidnapped? Possibly Did the police know while he was kidnapped? Possibly Did they find out afterwards? no Did the public know this man? Possibly Did they know at the time he was kidnapped? Possibly Did they know afterwards? no | ||
| Comforteagle (Comforteagle)
New member Username: Comforteagle Post Number: 93 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is the man ever returned within the time frame of the story? Does he choose not to leave? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 546 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is Dirk kidnapped for love? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 114 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is the man ever returned within the time frame of the story? yes Does he choose not to leave? no | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 115 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is Dirk kidnapped for love? no | ||
| Comforteagle (Comforteagle)
New member Username: Comforteagle Post Number: 99 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Dirk taken to a certain location? If so, was it far away? Was he physically moved at all? Relevant where Dirk was taken from? Did Sue use a weapon? Did the kidnapping last less than a day in total? Less than an hour? Was he only taken for a moment? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 116 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Dirk taken to a certain location? yes If so, was it far away? yope Was he physically moved at all? yes Relevant where Dirk was taken from? yes Did Sue use a weapon? no Did the kidnapping last less than a day in total? yes Less than an hour? This one. Was he only taken for a moment? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 480 Registered: 3-2006 |
Could she have accomplished whatever she wanted to accomplish by kidnapping another man, instead of Dirk? Was Dirk taken from: his home? his office? an indoor public place? eg shopping mall, theatre etc. an outdoor place? park? Was he transported by car? some other vehicle? Did they walk? Did she drag him? Carry him? The place where she took him--had he ever been there before? Had she? Were there other people there? Was it her home? some other place that belonged to her? a public place? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 117 Registered: 7-2006 |
Could she have accomplished whatever she wanted to accomplish by kidnapping another man, instead of Dirk? No, but misleading. Was Dirk taken from: his home? his office? an indoor public place? This one. eg shopping mall, theatre etc. an outdoor place? park? No to rest. Was he transported by car? yes some other vehicle? Did they walk? Did she drag him? yesish Carry him? yesish The place where she took him--had he ever been there before? irrelevant Had she? possibly Were there other people there? no Was it her home? some other place that belonged to her? a public place? yes to this one and no to rest. | ||
| Comforteagle (Comforteagle)
New member Username: Comforteagle Post Number: 108 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was what she doing technically illegal? Was he doing/ had he done something illegal? Was Sue hoping for some material gain? Was she trying to keep from losing something? Was she angry at him? Did she wish to do him physical harm? Hurt him in some other way? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 489 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was he unconscious at any point? Did she drug him/knock him out? Does he know why he is being kidnapped? When they were at this place, did she talk to him? get information from him? demand him to do something? Did he cooperate? If he had not, would she have kept him for a longer time? Did she mistake Dirk for someone else? Perhaps some other guy wanted her to kidnap him, and agreed to be waiting at location xxx, but Dirk unfortunately turned up there, and she kidnapped him instead? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 118 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was what she doing technically illegal? yes Was he doing/ had he done something illegal? no Was Sue hoping for some material gain? no Was she trying to keep from losing something? yes Was she angry at him? no Did she wish to do him physical harm? no Hurt him in some other way? no | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 119 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was he unconscious at any point? yesish Did she drug him/knock him out? no Does he know why he is being kidnapped? no When they were at this place, did she talk to him? no get information from him? yesish demand him to do something? Did he cooperate? If he had not, would she have kept him for a longer time? No to rest. Did she mistake Dirk for someone else? yes Perhaps some other guy wanted her to kidnap him, and agreed to be waiting at location xxx, but Dirk unfortunately turned up there, and she kidnapped him instead? No to all. | ||
| Comforteagle (Comforteagle)
New member Username: Comforteagle Post Number: 113 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did she take something from him? Look at something he had then return it? Just look at him and then return him? Could she fufill what she wished to do with Dirk as well as with the man she thought he was? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 120 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did she take something from him? no Look at something he had then return it? Just look at him and then return him? This one. Could she fufill what she wished to do with Dirk as well as with the man she thought he was? F/A and no. | ||
| Comforteagle (Comforteagle)
New member Username: Comforteagle Post Number: 117 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was she attempting to send a message to someone? Was she looking to kidnap a particular man? Or did she only wish not to kidnap Dirk? Is his profession relevant? Hers? Did she notice something about him that meant he wouldn't work? If so, something about him physically? His clothing? Something he carried/ did not carry? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 121 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was she attempting to send a message to someone? no Was she looking to kidnap a particular man? yes Or did she only wish not to kidnap Dirk? no Is his profession relevant? If you mean Dirk, no. Hers? yes Did she notice something about him that meant he wouldn't work? yes, but misleading. If so, something about him physically? yesish, but misleading. His clothing? Something he carried/ did not carry? No to rest. | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 501 Registered: 3-2006 |
So she wanted to kidnap another man then? Let's call him Luke. Luke's occupation is relevant? Do Luke and Sue have the same occupation? Are they from the same company? Rival companies? Do they know each other? Relevant why Sue mistook Dirk for Luke? Do they look alike? Are they twins? brothers? related in any way? If Sue had kidnapped Luke, would she have hurt him? gained something material from him? warned him off something? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 122 Registered: 7-2006 |
So she wanted to kidnap another man then? yes Let's call him Luke. Luke's occupation is relevant? yes Do Luke and Sue have the same occupation? no Are they from the same company? This one. Rival companies? Do they know each other? yes Relevant why Sue mistook Dirk for Luke? yes Do they look alike? no Are they twins? no brothers? no related in any way? no If Sue had kidnapped Luke, would she have hurt him? no gained something material from him? no warned him off something? no | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 574 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Dirk doing something which Luke was expected to be doing? Or in a place where Luke was expected to be? Was Luke Sue's boss? Was Sue Luke's boss? Was Dirk working for the same company? | ||
| Comforteagle (Comforteagle)
New member Username: Comforteagle Post Number: 121 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Dirk wearing the same outfit as Luke? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 123 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Dirk doing something which Luke was expected to be doing? yesish Or in a place where Luke was expected to be? yes Was Luke Sue's boss? yes Was Sue Luke's boss? no Was Dirk working for the same company? no | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 124 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Dirk wearing the same outfit as Luke? yesish | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 125 Registered: 7-2006 |
Correction: On the question Was Dirk wearing the same outfit as Luke? The response should be 'noish'. | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 588 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Sue's intention to kidnap her boss an attempt to gain simply money? Or some work advantage? Did Sue attempt to kidnap Luke at his work? At his home? Does Luke wear a uniform for his work? Or a costume? Was Dirk wearing something immediately before kidnap, that meant he could be confused with Luke? Was he wearing something which covered his face? Warning - Long Shot Alert. OR considering these puzzles, maybe not... Was Luke a clown? Or children's entertainer? Or playing a character such as Ronald MacDonald? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 126 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Sue's intention to kidnap her boss an attempt to gain simply money? no Or some work advantage? no Did Sue attempt to kidnap Luke at his work? At his home? No to both. Does Luke wear a uniform for his work? Or a costume? No to both. Was Dirk wearing something immediately before kidnap, that meant he could be confused with Luke? yesish Was he wearing something which covered his face? yesish Warning - Long Shot Alert. OR considering these puzzles, maybe not... Was Luke a clown? Or children's entertainer? Or playing a character such as Ronald MacDonald? No to all. | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 508 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was Dirk wearing protective clothing? a mask? A helmet? Did Sue like her boss? Did she think kidnapping him would benefit her? him? both of them? someone else? If she had been successful in kidnapping Luke, would he have felt that she had done something wrong? Would he have approved of her actions? Do Luke and Sue have any other relations other than boss-worker? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 127 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Dirk wearing protective clothing? yesish a mask? A helmet? No to both. Did Sue like her boss? irrelevant Did she think kidnapping him would benefit her? yes him? both of them? someone else? No to rest. If she had been successful in kidnapping Luke, would he have felt that she had done something wrong? no Would he have approved of her actions? no Do Luke and Sue have any other relations other than boss-worker? no | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 593 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was the kidnapping an attempt to keep her boss from some other harm? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 128 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was the kidnapping an attempt to keep her boss from some other harm? no | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 598 Registered: 7-2006 |
sorry, you just covered my last post with the previous one The kidnapping was for her benefit, correct? But other than monetary benefit, true? Was the kidnapping an attempt to prevent her boss from going somewhere? Or doing something specific? (like going to the police about some other matter?) Was what Dirk was wearing significant, other than simply looking similar to Luke? Or just, for instance, wearing a suit which made hom look like her boss? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 599 Registered: 7-2006 |
*him* look like... | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 129 Registered: 7-2006 |
The kidnapping was for her benefit, correct? yes But other than monetary benefit, true? yes Was the kidnapping an attempt to prevent her boss from going somewhere? yesish, but misleading. Or doing something specific? no (like going to the police about some other matter?) no Was what Dirk was wearing significant, other than simply looking similar to Luke? Or just, for instance, wearing a suit which made hom look like her boss? It is relevant what Dirk was wearing-ish* and why it caused Sue to mistake him for Luke. | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 511 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was she trying to hide something from Luke? Dirk was wearing yesish protective clothing, so.. labcoat? some overall-like clothing? Was it something on his head? On his upper body? legs? On his feet? Luke's occupation: Something in the civil service? armed forces? in production? performing arts? non-performing arts? education? advertising? Office job? Accountant? Architect? Banker? Lawyer/judge? Postman? Fireman? Prison warden? Doctor? Surgeon? Engineer? Chemist? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 130 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was she trying to hide something from Luke? no Dirk was wearing yesish protective clothing, so.. labcoat? no some overall-like clothing? yesish Was it something on his head? yes On his upper body? yes legs? yes On his feet? no Luke's occupation: Something in the civil service? armed forces? in production? performing arts? non-performing arts? education? advertising? Office job? This one. Accountant? Architect? Banker? Lawyer/judge? Postman? Fireman? Prison warden? Doctor? Surgeon? Engineer? Chemist? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 131 Registered: 7-2006 |
Clarification: On the question 'some overall-like clothing?' the response could also be 'noish' depending on exactly what you meant by it, or you could rephrase. | ||
| Comforteagle (Comforteagle)
New member Username: Comforteagle Post Number: 141 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is he wearing denim farmer-type over-alls? A protecive jumpsuit? Is it something an average office worker might wear in the course of his job? Did Luke ever actually wear this clothing? Or did Sue just think he might? Was Dirk going about his job when he was kidnapped? Relevant exactly what his job is? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 132 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is he wearing denim farmer-type over-alls? No, and to clarify, Dirk wasn't wearing anything traditionally called an overall. A protecive jumpsuit? no Is it something an average office worker might wear in the course of his job? no Did Luke ever actually wear this clothing? no Or did Sue just think he might? This one. Was Dirk going about his job when he was kidnapped? no Relevant exactly what his job is? no | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 133 Registered: 7-2006 |
Note: Comforteagle's last line of questions reminded me what the term 'overall' usually means as far as clothing goes, I don't know why I missed that, lol, I was reading it in terms of what the words 'overall' literally meant, which by chance, is a good description of what Dirk was actually wearing, just not in the traditional sense of the words. | ||
| Comforteagle (Comforteagle)
New member Username: Comforteagle Post Number: 155 Registered: 7-2006 |
I thought as much, I was just at a loss to think of other types of clothing. Is it something that covers him from head to toe? Skintight? Would it be called a uniform? A costume? Relevant exactly where he was kidnapped from other than an indoor public place? Was it critical that Luke be kidnapped? Would something bad happen to Sue if she didn't kidnap him? Would she lose money? Her job? Reputation? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 692 Registered: 7-2006 |
Dirk had an office job, correct? But he was wearing something other than a usual business suit, true? Was there some circumstance which caused Dirk to wear something other than a suit? Such as fire-protection gear? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 134 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is it something that covers him from head to toe? Not quite, but close. Skintight? no Would it be called a uniform? A costume? No to both. Relevant exactly where he was kidnapped from other than an indoor public place? Yes Was it critical that Luke be kidnapped? Would something bad happen to Sue if she didn't kidnap him? Would she lose money? Her job? Reputation? No to rest, but misleading. | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 135 Registered: 7-2006 |
Dirk had an office job, correct? False assumption and Dirk's occupation is irrelevant. But he was wearing something other than a usual business suit, true? Correct Was there some circumstance which caused Dirk to wear something other than a suit? yes Such as fire-protection gear? no | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 712 Registered: 7-2006 |
Sorry, I mean Luke had an office job. And some circumstance caused a need for clothing other than the usual suit. Did Sue cause the circumstances which required a change of clothing from suit to something else? (I'm thinking about maybe a chemical spill which needed people to don protective clothing). This maybe old ground but - was the clothing that the kidnappee was wearing some form of protective clothing? At the time of the kidnap, were Dirk and Luke wearing the same thing? Or was Dirk wearing something which Luke should have been (in Sue's eyes) wearing? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 136 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did Sue cause the circumstances which required a change of clothing from suit to something else? F/A, maybe rephrase. (I'm thinking about maybe a chemical spill which needed people to don protective clothing). no This maybe old ground but - was the clothing that the kidnappee was wearing some form of protective clothing? yes At the time of the kidnap, were Dirk and Luke wearing the same thing? no Or was Dirk wearing something which Luke should have been (in Sue's eyes) wearing? Yes, exactly. | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 746 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did this take place outside of the normal office environment? Was Dirk wearing a diving suit? Or a flight suit? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 137 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did this take place outside of the normal office environment? yes Was Dirk wearing a diving suit? Or a flight suit? No to both. | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 770 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was the outfit that Dirk was wearing, single-piece clothing (disregarding shoes)? This was protective clothing - at the time of the kidnap, was there a need for protection which required this clothing? Was Luke in the vicinity when the kidnap happened? Was he wearing similar protection? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 138 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was the outfit that Dirk was wearing, single-piece clothing (disregarding shoes)? yes This was protective clothing - at the time of the kidnap, was there a need for protection which required this clothing? yes Was Luke in the vicinity when the kidnap happened? no Was he wearing similar protection? no | ||
| Comforteagle (Comforteagle)
New member Username: Comforteagle Post Number: 171 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was anyone else wearing this sort of clothing? Were most people in the area wearing it? Was Sue? Was there a threat to Dirk that required protective clothing? An imagined threat? Is it more of a precaution? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 139 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was anyone else wearing this sort of clothing? yesish Were most people in the area wearing it? noish Was Sue? no Was there a threat to Dirk that required protective clothing? no An imagined threat? No, but misleading in the way you probably mean. Is it more of a precaution? no | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2006 |
Did Dirk wear a big black plastic bag on his head? Some other bag? Or bag-like thing? Raincoat? Ghost costume? Other kind of masquerade-like costume? Was the "clothing" that Luke was supposed to be "wearing" intended as a disguise? Was Sue trying to save Luke from some kind of situation? More specifically, was she trying to get him out of some kind of situation which (she was supposing that) he was in at the moment when she actually kidnapped Dirk? Was Sue seeking promotion? Was she trying to influence some decisions? Some company decisions? If she had gotten hold of Luke instead of Dirk, would it have been correct to call it a kidnapping then? Could it be described as a coincidence that she got Dirk instead of Luke? Or rather could it described as pretty predestined, seen in the backlight, that she got Dirk instead of Luke? Is Luke alive at the end of the puzzle? Is Duke alive at the end of the puzzle? Was Dirk alive when Sue released him? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2006 |
Oh, is Sue alive at the end of the puzzle? Did Sue actually release Dick? Is Halloween involved? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 140 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did Dirk wear a big black plastic bag on his head? no Some other bag? no Or bag-like thing? yesish Raincoat? no Ghost costume? no Other kind of masquerade-like costume? no Was the "clothing" that Luke was supposed to be "wearing" intended as a disguise? noish Was Sue trying to save Luke from some kind of situation? Yesish in one sense, but misleading in the way you might mean. More specifically, was she trying to get him out of some kind of situation which (she was supposing that) he was in at the moment when she actually kidnapped Dirk? yesish Was Sue seeking promotion? no Was she trying to influence some decisions? yesish Some company decisions? no If she had gotten hold of Luke instead of Dirk, would it have been correct to call it a kidnapping then? yesish Could it be described as a coincidence that she got Dirk instead of Luke? Possibly, in one sense perhaps. Or rather could it described as pretty predestined, seen in the backlight, that she got Dirk instead of Luke? Not sure I understand this question, rephrase maybe. Is Luke alive at the end of the puzzle? yes Is Duke alive at the end of the puzzle? no Was Dirk alive when Sue released him? no | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 141 Registered: 7-2006 |
Oh, is Sue alive at the end of the puzzle? yes Did Sue actually release Dick? yes Is Halloween involved? no | ||
| Lzeiters (Lzeiters)
New member Username: Lzeiters Post Number: 846 Registered: 6-2005 |
is a body bag relevant to the story? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 24 Registered: 10-2006 |
Did Sue kill Dick? Was Dick alive when she kidnapped him? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 795 Registered: 7-2006 |
Sorry if this covers old ground Was Sue attempting to kidnap Luke for, as she saw it, his own good? Was Sue attempting to kidnap Luke for, as she saw it, her good? Was the covering Dirk was wearing protection from the elements, i.e. bad weather? Or from a dangerous situation (whether real or imagined)? Or from an unpleasant situation? From heat? From cold? From gas? From liquid? From recognition? Was Luke a famous person? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 142 Registered: 7-2006 |
is a body bag relevant to the story? No, but something similar, in one sense. | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 143 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did Sue kill Dick? You mean 'Dirk', and no. Was Dick alive when she kidnapped him? no | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 144 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Sue attempting to kidnap Luke for, as she saw it, his own good? no Was Sue attempting to kidnap Luke for, as she saw it, her good? yes Was the covering Dirk was wearing protection from the elements, i.e. bad weather? no Or from a dangerous situation (whether real or imagined)? no Or from an unpleasant situation? yesish From heat? From cold? From gas? From liquid? From recognition? No to all. Was Luke a famous person? Irrelevant | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 54 Registered: 10-2006 |
Did Sue expect Luke to be alive at the moment when she was to kidnap him (but actually came to kidnap a dead Dirk instead)? Is is relevant how Dirk died? Did she want to influence Luke's decision about something? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 159 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did Sue expect Luke to be alive at the moment when she was to kidnap him (but actually came to kidnap a dead Dirk instead)? No, she did not expect Luke to be alive. Is is relevant how Dirk died? no Did she want to influence Luke's decision about something? no | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 800 Registered: 7-2006 |
ahh.. Was Dirk in a body bag? Was Luke actually dead when she kidnapped Dirk? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 160 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Dirk in a body bag? no Was Luke actually dead when she kidnapped Dirk? no | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 801 Registered: 7-2006 |
When kidnapped, was Dirk in a coffin? Or his ashes in an urn? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 161 Registered: 7-2006 |
When kidnapped, was Dirk in a coffin? no Or his ashes in an urn? False assumption and no. | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 424 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did Dirk just die? inside a graveyaard? Place: resteraunt, shopping mall, carnival house things, campus/school buildings... | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 162 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did Dirk just die? yes inside a graveyaard? Place: resteraunt, shopping mall, carnival house things, campus/school buildings... No to rest. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2003 |
Did Sue think she killed Luke? I think about a situation similar to that: Dirk dies. Sue finds him, thinks he is Luke. She also thinks that his death is her fault. So she wants to hide the corpse. Something like that? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 134 Registered: 10-2006 |
Recap? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 163 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did Sue think she killed Luke? yes I think about a situation similar to that: Dirk dies. yes Sue finds him, thinks he is Luke. yes She also thinks that his death is her fault. Which 'he' are you referring to? So she wants to hide the corpse. Whose alleged corpse do you mean? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 164 Registered: 7-2006 |
Recap? Sure. An adult female named Sue kidnapped an adult male named Dirk, Dirk was dead at the time. Sue mistakenly thought Dirk was another person, that other person was an adult male named Luke, Sue mistook Dirk for Luke because of something Dirk was wearing. Sue did not know Dirk. Sue did know Luke, Luke was Sue's boss. Sue's reason for wanting to kidnap Luke was not for monetary gain but for another reason that would benefit her. Sue thought Luke was dead. Luke is in fact not dead. | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 165 Registered: 7-2006 |
*Sorry, I forgot one recent new discovery for the recap. Sue thought she killed Luke. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2003 |
Did Sue kill Dirk? Was it her target to kill Luke? Or was what she did by accident? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 166 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did Sue kill Dirk? no Was it her target to kill Luke? no Or was what she did by accident? Could you specify which action by Sue you are referring to please. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sue thought she killed a man. She thought it was Luke. But it was Dirk. So she did not intend to kill anyone but did something of which he thought killed that man? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 167 Registered: 7-2006 |
Sue thought she killed a man. She thought it was Luke. Yes to both. But it was Dirk. False assumption. So she did not intend to kill anyone but did something of which he thought killed that man? Sorry, I don't understand this question, rephrase perhaps? | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 23 Registered: 10-2003 |
OK: My assumption is that Sue kidnapped Dirk because she thought he is dead and that it is her fault. Correct? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 168 Registered: 7-2006 |
OK: My assumption is that Sue kidnapped Dirk because she thought he is dead and that it is her fault. Correct? No, Sue didn't know that she had actually kidnapped Dirk, she thought it was Luke, and no, Sue didn't think that Dirk's death was her fault. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2003 |
When she thought that Luke was dead: Did she think it was her fault? Did she want to hide her guilt? Or was there another reason why Luke shouldn't be found dead in her opinion? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 757 Registered: 6-2006 |
OK...here's my understanding so far. Something happened to make Sue think that Luke was dead, and that Luke's death was her fault. Correct? Then Sue sees Dirk, dead, and thinks that Dirk is Luke because of something that Dirk is wearing. Right? Or, is it when she sees Dirk's body (believing that she is seeing Luke's body) that she first thinks that she killed Luke? Either way, Sue then kidnaps Dirk's body (believing that she is taking Luke's body)perhaps to cover for what she mistakenly thought she had done to Luke. Correct? Then, Sue realizes that the body is Dirk, not Luke, and returns him. Right? And so now I imagine that we need to find out why Sue thought she had killed Luke, why she felt the need to kidnap the body, and what Dirk was wearing that led Sue to believe that Dirk was Luke. Anything else important left? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 169 Registered: 7-2006 |
When she thought that Luke was dead: Did she think it was her fault? yes Did she want to hide her guilt? yes Or was there another reason why Luke shouldn't be found dead in her opinion? There's a false assumption in the premise of this question. | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 170 Registered: 7-2006 |
OK...here's my understanding so far. Something happened to make Sue think that Luke was dead, and that Luke's death was her fault. Correct? Yes to both. Then Sue sees Dirk, dead, and thinks that Dirk is Luke because of something that Dirk is wearing. Right? yes Or, is it when she sees Dirk's body (believing that she is seeing Luke's body) that she first thinks that she killed Luke? yesish Either way, Sue then kidnaps Dirk's body (believing that she is taking Luke's body)perhaps to cover for what she mistakenly thought she had done to Luke. Correct? Yes, exactly. Then, Sue realizes that the body is Dirk, not Luke, and returns him. Right? yes And so now I imagine that we need to find out why Sue thought she had killed Luke, yes why she felt the need to kidnap the body, Which has just been established. and what Dirk was wearing that led Sue to believe that Dirk was Luke. yes Anything else important left? In general no, just those two main pieces of the puzzle need to be discovered, and maybe an additional fact or two directly related to each of those may be necessary when we get to them. | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 761 Registered: 6-2006 |
So what Dirk was wearing was a bag-like protective item, that covered all of his body except his feet? Is this item associated with a particular profession? Activity? Person? Event? Did Sue perform a certain action which she thought led to Luke's death? Is this an action that one would normally think could kill a person? Or only under certain circumstances? Rare circumstances? Did Sue think Luke had died from: Poison? Asphyxiation/smothering? Blunt force trauma? gunshot? drowning? strangulation? heart attack? other? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 171 Registered: 7-2006 |
So what Dirk was wearing was a bag-like protective item, that covered all of his body except his feet? Yesish, it was only bag-like in a very slight sense. Is this item associated with a particular profession? yes Activity? noish Person? noish Event? yes Did Sue perform a certain action which she thought led to Luke's death? yes Is this an action that one would normally think could kill a person? yes Or only under certain circumstances? no Rare circumstances? no Did Sue think Luke had died from: Poison? This one. Asphyxiation/smothering? Blunt force trauma? gunshot? drowning? strangulation? heart attack? other? | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2003 |
Did Sue think Luke had died from something he drank? Ate? Inhaled? That thing Dirk wears: Does it protect from dirt? Heat? Cold? Fire? Viruses? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 172 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did Sue think Luke had died from something he drank? This one. Ate? Inhaled? That thing Dirk wears: Does it protect from dirt? Heat? Cold? Fire? Viruses? No to all. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 74 Registered: 10-2003 |
Did Sue think she poisoned Lukes coffee? Shall the baglike protective item protect from paint? Water? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 173 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did Sue think she poisoned Lukes coffee? yes Shall the baglike protective item protect from paint? Water? No to both. | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 196 Registered: 10-2006 |
Would the body-baggish suit protect from the same kind of poison with which she thought she had poisoned the coffee? Was the coffee which she was thinking of actually poisoned? If so, did Luke get poisoned? Did he get ill? but not enough ill to die? Had Sue put the poison in the coffee? If so, by mistake? or intentionally? Was Luke in anyway responsible for Sue's mistaking of Dirk as Luke? I.e. did Luke put Dirk's carcass somewhere where Sue was meant to find it (thinking it was Luke)? Radioactivity involved? Did this happen in Luke and Sue's workplace? Had Dirk worked there too? Is it a moratorium? (that would explain why Dirk's body was there) (sorry if I asked some questions which have already been asked, or assumed things which have already been clarified to be otherwise -- I've read through all the questions previously but did not do so today) | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 174 Registered: 7-2006 |
Would the body-baggish suit protect from the same kind of poison with which she thought she had poisoned the coffee? no Was the coffee which she was thinking of actually poisoned? yes If so, did Luke get poisoned? no Did he get ill? Yesish, but misleading in the way you mean. but not enough ill to die? Yesish, but misleading like above. Had Sue put the poison in the coffee? yes If so, by mistake? Yes, this one. or intentionally? Was Luke in anyway responsible for Sue's mistaking of Dirk as Luke? Yesish, in one way. I.e. did Luke put Dirk's carcass somewhere where Sue was meant to find it (thinking it was Luke)? No to example. Radioactivity involved? no Did this happen in Luke and Sue's workplace? If you mean the poison coffee incident, yes. Had Dirk worked there too? no Is it a moratorium? (that would explain why Dirk's body was there) I looked up the definition of moratorium but i'm still not 100% sure what you mean by it, could you elaborate or rephrase perhaps? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 199 Registered: 10-2006 |
Eh, the word I was looking for was mortuary (see questions below). I discover that my active command of English is much worse than I believe it to be. (Just look at my "... weltanschauung" puzzle -- neither the terms "cross over" or "pass over" are really what I was trying to say, but I can't exchange it for another term again or it would be too easy.) Attempt at another recap, and some more questions: Sue thought she had, in her workplace, incidentally poisoned Luke's coffee, and that Luke had died from that. Luke was Sue's boss. It follows that Luke was an office worker. But was Sue an office worker too? Was she his secretary? Was she a cook? Was it her task to prepare the coffee for him that day? Or did she just make the coffee for him for some reason? Or maybe she didn't prepare the coffee itself? But only accidentally happened to put some poison in it? But in fact, Luke wasn't dead, although he had actually gotten "ill" (although this said to be misleading in the way I mean it...) for some reason, but not from the poison. And the coffee was actually poisoned? Did Luke in fact drink the coffee? Did he become "ill" for some other reason? Did Luke tell Sue that he felt ill? Did Luke go home? Did she come to believe that he was going to visit a doctor? Did an ambulance come and get Luke in the workplace? Did Sue's job involve using the poison in some way? Was the poison an artificial chemical? or some more or less natural substance? Sue saw Dirk's dead body in some indoor public place, and she believed Dirk to be Luke. This indoor public place was not the same place as Sue's and Luke's workplace, though, and neither was it a shopping mall or a theatre. Dirk didn't work in the same place as Sue and Luke, and the reason for his death as well as his occupation are irrelevant. In one way, Luke was yesishly responsible for Sue's mistaking Dirk as Luke. Yesishly speaking, Sue didn't come to believe for certain that Luke had died before she saw Dirk's body. But perhaps she was wondering or worrying about it before (due to the whole coffee thing)? Perhaps she went to the place where she found Dirk because she thought Luke would be there? Perhaps to see how he was doing? To visit him? Or perhaps simply in order to see whether Luke was dead? The reason that she thought Dirk was Luke at the time was that Dirk was wearing-ish* some single-piece protective "clothing" which was covering all his body except his feet. This kind of "clothing" is not normally worn by office workers. But it's associated with a certain profession, and with some event. Luke in fact never wore this kind of "clothing", but Sue thought he might. In one sense the clothing is similar to a body bag, and it was yesishly (meant to) protect him from an "unpleasant situation" (but not recognition). It was neither meant to protect him from the elements, nor from some threat, nor from the poison. And it was not a coffin. Is the "protective clothing" a sheet? Was it laid unto him as to cover his nakedness? Was some surgency going to take place? Was this in a hospital? A mortuary? A police station? Was an autopsy going to take place? Had an autopsy already taken place? Did Sue kidnap the body in order to keep it from forensic investigation?. So that his cause of death wouldn't be found out to be poisoning? So, she dragged Dirk's carcass into her car, believing him to be Luke, and drove away with his body to some other public place, where she had possibly been before. She did this in order to hide what she thought had happened, and thus escaping responsibility for poisoning Luke. But when she discovered that Dirk wasn't Luke, she returned him to where he had been before. | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 200 Registered: 10-2006 |
Is Luke mentally ill? Did Luke fool Sue into believing something bad had happened to him? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 201 Registered: 10-2006 |
Did Luke know that Sue had poisoned the coffee? Did he want to punish her because of that? By fooling her in some way? | ||
| Crashknight (Crashknight)
New member Username: Crashknight Post Number: 175 Registered: 7-2006 |
Good work, you unraveled and connected the main two points of this puzzle that were still unknown, the last couple of minor points left are the issue of why Luke got ill and how did Sue mistakenly put poison in his coffee but since these are just background tidbits and could be answered with a number of different scenarios i'll go ahead and post the ************spoiler*************** This puzzle was actually based on an exact story line from the 1980 film 9 to 5, I thought it would make for a good lateral puzzle. Luke worked in an office, he had a secretary named Sue, who among other things regularly made his coffee for him. One day while she was preparing his coffee she reached in the cabinet to get the sugar for his coffee but mistakenly grabbed a packet of rat poison instead, apparently there because the office was having a rat problem, so she mistakenly poured the rat poison in his coffee and delivered it to him, then left to do more errands. Right before Luke was about to drink the cup of coffee his chair, which had a recent history of having a wheel loose, gave way and he fell and knocked his head on the back wall of his office, knocking him unconscious and spilling the coffee completely on the floor, a fellow office worker saw what happened and called paramedics who rushed him to the hospital. Immediately afterward Sue came back and went back to the kitchen area for some random reason and then discovered the box of rat poison still setting out and realized what she had done, then she found out by another worker that her boss had been rushed to the emergency room unconscious. She was terrified and overcome with guilt and she immediately went down to the hospital to check on his condition, she did not know at the time that while at the hospital her boss regained consciousness and told the doctors what had happened and that he was ok then they gave him quick examination and he was discharged right before Sue arrived. When Sue made it to the hospital she immediately went to the room he was supposed to be in but instead of finding Luke there the hospital staff had just brought by a mobile bed with a man who had just died and placed him near the entrance of Luke's previous room as a temporary location before they moved him elsewhere, when Sue came to the room and saw that Luke wasn't there, and saw the body of the man who had just died with a sheet covering his face and body, she thought it was Luke who had just died, in a panic, she thought when the doctors performed an autopsy and found that he was poisoned that they would link her to the incident, so fearing the chance of going to jail she wheeled the man's body near the doors, then opened them up and dragged him to her car where she placed him in her trunk then she took off to find a place to bury the body, but on the way she had a car accident, when she went to check on the body the sheet covering him had been knocked off and she discovered it wasn't her boss at all, then she brought him back to the hospital, dropped his body off and left without anyone seeing her. Well that's it, and thanks to everyone who participated on this puzzle! |
