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As the sun is going down, Jack walks into a monastery, a woman at his side. The monk guarding the door utters a short greeting but doesn't comment on the woman. Explain.
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Was this a Christian monastery? A Buddhist one? A different one?
Was the woman visible to the monk? Did he see that it was a woman?
Is Jack HMA (Human? Male? Adult?)
How about the woman? Is she Human and Adult? t
And the monk? Human? Male? Adult?
Does the sun going down have any relevance?
Does the topic title have a relevance?
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Was this a Christian monastery? this A Buddhist one? A different one?
Was the woman visible to the monk? not at this point Did he see that it was a woman? yes, he had seen her.
Is Jack HMA (Human? Male? Adult?) yes to all
How about the woman? Is she Human and Adult? yes to both
And the monk? Human? Male? Adult? yes to all
Does the sun going down have any relevance? yope
Does the topic title have a relevance? yope
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Is Jack a monk?
Is the woman related to anyone in the monastery?
Is she visiting someone?
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Is Jack a monk? yes
Is the woman related to anyone in the monastery? no
Is she visiting someone? no
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Is the woman a nun?
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Is the woman a nun? Definitely not.
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Was she someone that was being helped by Jack?
Age relevant? Was she young, old?
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Was she someone that was being helped by Jack? no
Age relevant? yes, somewhat Was she young, old? young
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Is Jack someone important?
Did the monk (not Jack, the other one) know the woman?
Did Jack want to sneak the woman in without her being seen by the monk?
Was this particular woman welcoe in the monastery?
What was the monastery's policy on women? Were they disallowed? Allowed under certain conditions? Allowed freely?
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Is Jack someone important? no
Did the monk (not Jack, the other one) know the woman? no
Did Jack want to sneak the woman in without her being seen by the monk? no
Was this particular woman welcoe in the monastery? no
What was the monastery's policy on women? Were they disallowed? yes Allowed under certain conditions? no Allowed freely? no
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Is the woman dressed as a man? As a monk?
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Is the woman dressed as a man? As a monk? no to both
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Is the womans profession relevant?
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Is the womans profession relevant? yope
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Would the monk have questioned the womans entry to the monastery if she had been on her own?
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Would the monk have questioned the womans entry to the monastery if she had been on her own? FA
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Is the woman seeking refuge?
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Is the woman seeking refuge? no
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Is the woman related to Jack?
Should Jack be with the woman?
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Is the woman related to Jack? no (assuming you mean "related" as in family)
Should Jack be with the woman? no
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I know of this island near italy in which nobody is allowed to be born or to die there,. was the woman pregnant?
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I know of this island near italy in which nobody is allowed to be born or to die there,. was the woman pregnant? no, irrel
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Does the guard monk know Jack?
Has the guard monk seen the woman before?
Has the woman been to the monastery before?
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Does the guard monk know Jack? yes
Has the guard monk seen the woman before? yes
Has the woman been to the monastery before? yope, FA
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Is the FA that the woman actually went to the monastery?
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Is the woman visible to Jack?
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Is the FA that the woman actually went to the monastery? yes (with a tiny -ish) - explore :-)

Is the woman visible to Jack? not at this point
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Is the woman conscious? alive?
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Is the woman conscious? alive? NO!
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Is he a pallbearer?
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Did the woman have sex with Jack when she was alive?
Was she killed? Died of natural causes?
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Was the woman in a coffin?
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Is he a pallbearer? no

Did the woman have sex with Jack yes when she was alive? FA
Was she killed? Died of natural causes? FA

Was the woman in a coffin? no
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Has the woman ever been alive?
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Has the woman ever been alive? no (but also yes... the last few questions were rather difficult to answer, I'm afraid - explore)
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Was the woman a real person? Or a robot? A doll? A mannequin?
Was she a supernatural being?
Was she a vampire?
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By "supernatural being", I meant an angel, or a demon, or a devil...
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Was the woman a representation of a real living woman but not actually real, as in a statue or dummy based on someone who existed?
I wanna say inflatible?
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Was the woman a real person? NO! (and yes again...) Or a robot? A doll? A mannequin? no to rest
Was she a supernatural being? no
Was she a vampire? no
By "supernatural being", I meant an angel, or a demon, or a devil... so, no

Some clarification on a few of the previous questions may be needed. I'm sorry. These are really hard to answer the way they are phrased.

Is the woman conscious? alive? NO! (and: yes, irrel)

Did the woman have sex with Jack yes! - but be careful with this one. Please rephrase! when she was alive? FA
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Was the woman a representation of a real living woman but not actually real YES!, as in a statue or dummy based on someone who existed? but not this
I wanna say inflatible?No. Don't worry.
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Painting? Photograph? Tattoo?
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Painting? Photograph? Tattoo? THIS!

So, why did monk Jack have a tattoo of a young woman with whom he had had sex in the past (the woman, not the tattoo)?
See why some of the questions were so hard to answer?
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How old is John?
Is he in his 90's? 80's? 70's? 60's? 50's? 40's? 30's? 20's?
When did he get the tattoo? In his 90's? 80's?... etc...
Did he get the tattoo voluntarily? Or did someone request him to do this? Force him to do this?

Did he become a monk to, uh, "apologize" for his past sins?
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How old is John?
Is he in his 90's? 80's? 70's? 60's? 50's? 40's? 30's? 20's? Not so relevant. Let's say early 30's.
When did he get the tattoo? In his 90's? 80's?... etc... In his 20's.
Did he get the tattoo voluntarily? yes Or did someone request him to do this? Force him to do this? no to rest

Did he become a monk to, uh, "apologize" for his past sins? noish, but explore!
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Is he hiding?
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Has the monk ever been in prison?
The woman represented by the tattoo is dead, right? Alive?
Was/is she his wife? His girlfriend? Was/is she a prostitute?
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Is he hiding? no

Has the monk ever been in prison? no
The woman represented by the tattoo is dead, right? Alive? this, but irrel
Was/is she his wife? no His girlfriend? yesish Was/is she a prostitute? no
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Was she a nun? Or is she a nun?
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Was she a nun? Or is she a nun? no to both
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Did he have an affair with this woman?
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Did he have an affair with this woman? yes!
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Did he have an affair with this woman before he became a monk? After?
Did it end badly?
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Did he have an affair with this woman before he became a monk? this After?
Did it end badly? irrel
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Is it not as simple as "because he wanted his girlfriend tattooed on his arm?" then later he became a monk after the affair ended? What are we trying to find out?
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Is it not as simple as "because he wanted his girlfriend tattooed on his arm?" this is one part, yes then later he became a monk after the affair ended? yes What are we trying to find out? Why did he become a monk?
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Someone told him to do that? He wanted to get some profit from being a monk? He wanted to get inside the monastery?
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Someone told him to do that? no He wanted to get some profit from being a monk? no He wanted to get inside the monastery? well, yes, but only because he wanted to become a monk
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Was it for his own safety?
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Was it for his own safety? no, or maybe yope, depending on your view of things...
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Did the man become a monk in order to forget about his past love?
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Did the man become a monk in order to forget about his past love? no
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Did he sworn to become a monk?
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Were his reasons for becoming a monk related to; his old love? losing his old love? what happened after they split up? something that happened while they were together?
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Did he sworn to become a monk? YES - why?

Were his reasons for becoming a monk related to; his old love? yope losing his old love? no what happened after they split up? yope something that happened while they were together? yope
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Could you say that four (or more?) relevant events happened in the past?
(1) an affair with a woman started
(2) the affair ended
(3) he got a tattoo
(4) he swore to become a monk
Is the order of those relevant?
If yes is it 1, 2, 3, 4? 1, 2, 4, 3?...(List of permutating numbers, 1 being before 2)?
Is there still something to be found out about sex or celibacy?
Is the title relevant? Is someone adapting?
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Did he promise the girl he would become a monk?
If she did something (like become a nun)?
Or didn't do something (like sleep with him? Or marry him?)
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Could you say that four (or more?) relevant events happened in the past? yes, more than 4 actually
(1) an affair with a woman started
(2) the affair ended
(3) he got a tattoo
(4) he swore to become a monk
Is the order of those relevant? yesish
If yes is it 1, 2, 3, 4? 1, 2, 4, 3?...(List of permutating numbers, 1 being before 2)? any permutation ending with 4 would work
Is there still something to be found out about sex or celibacy? yes
Is the title relevant? in the usual obscure way of the LTPF Is someone adapting? yesish
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Did he promise the girl he would become a monk? NO
If she did something (like become a nun)? n.a.
Or didn't do something (like sleep with him? Or marry him?)n.a.
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Anyone else involved?
Is he happy about becomoing a monk? or Would he have been happier if he had remained with this woman?
Who ended the affair Him? Her?
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Did Jack and the woman have consensual sex?
When did this happen? Present day? Past 100 years? Past 1000 years? Past 2000 years? Ealier?
Any connection to bible romans?
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Anyone else involved? yes
Is he happy about becomoing a monk? yesish or Would he have been happier if he had remained with this woman? I'd say no
Who ended the affair Him? yes Her? no

Did Jack and the woman have consensual sex? yes
When did this happen? Present day? Past 100 years? Past 1000 years? Past 2000 years? Ealier? 19th century; late 18th or early 20th would work fine, too
Any connection to bible romans? no
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Did the woman do something which disillusioned the man (like have an affair? Or something involving a child of theirs?), whereupon the man decided to give up on women & become a monk?
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Did the woman do something which disillusioned the man (like have an affair? Or something involving a child of theirs?), whereupon the man decided to give up on women & become a monk? no to all
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He had an affair with a woman?
And had a tattoo of her on his arm?
*Something* Happened?
He finished with her?
He became a monk?
Is this the correct sequence, with the *something* being the thing that needs to be discovered?
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He had an affair with a woman? yes...
And had a tattoo of her on his arm? yes
*Something* Happened? yes
He finished with her? yes, but this happened before the *something*
He became a monk? yes
Is this the correct sequence no, see above, with the *something* being the thing that needs to be discovered? yes, actually you need to discover one *something* and something more about his life before *something* happened.
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How long after finishing with her did this thing happen?
immediatly? a few days? weeks? months? years?
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How long after finishing with her did this thing happen?
immediatly? a few days? weeks? months? years? months or years

HINT: some standard questions might come in handy
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Don't know what we'd ask - we know he's HMA and she's HFA, and we have a timescale...
Is the monestary a real one? I.e. other monks live here?
Is there something significant to be discovered about the woman?
Was she at one time married to the Monk?
Was she married to someone else at the time of the affair?
Was the monk previously (or subsequently?) married to someone else?
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Does the sun going down have any relevance?
Is the monastary in Europe, Asia, North America, South America, Australia, Antartica?
Is monastary location relevant?
Is monastarty orthodox, catholic, other christian? Does monastary type matter?
Is monk ex-military?
Does monk feel gulity about woman for some reason?
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Don't know what we'd ask - we know he's HMA and she's HFA, and we have a timescale... yes, but you need to make one more lateral step...

Is the monestary a real one? I.e. other monks live here? yes
Is there something significant to be discovered about the woman? no
Was she at one time married to the Monk? no
Was she married to someone else at the time of the affair? irrel
Was the monk previously (or subsequently?) married to someone else? no, but...
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Does the sun going down have any relevance? none other than setting this puzzle at the end of a day of hard work in the fields... i.e. no
Is the monastary in Europe this, Asia, North America, South America, Australia, Antartica?
Is monastary location relevant? yope tending to yesish
Is monastarty orthodox, catholic, other christian? catholic, but irrel
Does monastary type matter? no
Is monk ex-military? no, but explore
Does monk feel gulity about woman for some reason? YOPE

There were some good questions in the last two posts!
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Has the monk had sexuality issues in the past?
Any significant relationships with other women prior to the one with The Woman?
Any subsequent relationships with other women (presumably prior to becoming a monk...?)?
Any relations with other men?
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Has the monk had sexuality issues in the past? see below
Any significant relationships with other women prior to the one with The Woman? YES!
Any subsequent relationships with other women (presumably prior to becoming a monk...? (YES))? YES!
Any relations with other men? no
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So Woman was just one of many, but a special one?
Was he professional, i.e. gigolo?
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So Woman was just one of many yes, but a special one? NO
Was he professional, i.e. gigolo? no
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Do the women have something in common (apart from knowing him)? Do they know each other?
Does the tatoo represent one particular woman? one of his?
Is a sexually transmissible disease relevant?
Is the country where this happened relevant? If yes: central? east? west? north? south europe?
Did he decide to have no more sex?
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Any connection to "Jack the Lad"?
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Do the women have something in common (apart from knowing him)? no Do they know each other? NO
Does the tatoo represent one particular woman? one of his? yes
Is a sexually transmissible disease relevant? no
Is the country where this happened relevant? define "this" If yes: central? east? west? north? south europe?
Did he decide to have no more sex? yes
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Any connection to "Jack the Lad"? not intentionally
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From your last reply, presumably the country with the monastery is a different country to where he met his women, true? Relvant? Was he forced to flee the country? Is he actually a monk? Or just pretending?
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From your last reply, presumably the country with the monastery is a different country to where he met his women, true? yes Relvant? yes Was he forced to flee the country? no Is he actually a monk? yes, he is Or just pretending? no
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Well I suppose we should ask...
Is the monastery in Rome?
Is it in the Vatican?
Was the monk in Rome when he had his women?
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Well I suppose we should ask...
Is the monastery in Rome? not necessarily, its exact location is irrel
Is it in the Vatican? see above
Was the monk in Rome when he had his women? see above, and slight FA

You have already found out the important part about the countries: The affairs and becoming a monk happened in different countries.
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Is the woman famous?
Is the woman influential?
Has the woman written some publication about the monk?
Was the monk a doctor?
Did the monk seduce all the woman?
Was the monk in a position of trust when he had sex with the woman? and by implication the other women?
Was the monk famous?
Was the monk influential?
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Is the woman famous? no
Is the woman influential? no
Has the woman written some publication about the monk? no
Was the monk a doctor? no
Did the monk seduce all the woman? yesish
Was the monk in a position of trust when he had sex with the woman? and by implication the other women? er... could you please rephrase these?
Was the monk famous? no
Was the monk influential? no
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By position of trust I mean something like a personal tutor, music teacher.
What I am trying to find out is whether the monk's access to the women allowed him to seduce (or be seduced). Is that relevant?
Is he in love with the woman?
Did he become a monk because she got married?
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By position of trust I mean something like a personal tutor, music teacher. so, the answer is no
What I am trying to find out is whether the monk's access to the women allowed him to seduce (or be seduced). Is that relevant? yope
Is he in love with the woman? which one and when?
Did he become a monk because she got married? no
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Is he in love with the woman he has a tatoo of?
Was he in love with her when he separated from the woman he has a tatoo of?
Did something happen at a later date to make him fall in love with the woman he has a tatoo of?
If so, did he have sex after that or did he get himself unto a monastory?
Was he a priest before he became a monk?
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Is he in love with the woman he has a tatoo of? no
Was he in love with her when he separated from the woman he has a tatoo of? maybe
Did something happen at a later date to make him fall in love with the woman he has a tatoo of? no
If so, did he have sex after that or did he get himself unto a monastory? n.a.
Was he a priest before he became a monk? NO
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OK, 100 posts on this thread - time for a

*****RECAP*****

In his past, Jack has had affairs with many women. He has got a tattoo on his arm which shows one of these women. This woman was one of many, not a special one. Jack has now become a catholic monk. The affairs and becoming a monk happened in different countries. This is set in the 19th century. Jack is neither ex-military, nor has he been a gigolo, nor a doctor, nor a patron of the arts (or similar) nor a priest. He did not commit any crimes a court would have punished. He is not on the run.

To find out: Why did Jack decide to become a monk?
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Was there one specific event that caused him to become a Monk?
A series of events?
A general change in his attitude to his life?
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Was there one specific event that caused him to become a Monk? YES
A series of events? noish
A general change in his attitude to his life? YES
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Would this work if the Tattoo was one of the many other women?
Would the event have occured if he had not got the tattoo?
Is the tattoo of any relevance at all?
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Would this work if the Tattoo was one of the many other women? yes
Would the event have occured if he had not got the tattoo? yes
Is the tattoo of any relevance at all? yope. It hints at something. Initially I had thought after finding out about the tattoo the rest of the puzzle would go down rather fast...
HINT: I'm still missing one of the standard questions...
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Was he in the Navy at one stage?
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Was he in the Navy at one stage? not necessarily the navy, but YES!!!, he was a sailor!
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Did he become shipwrecked?
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Thank you! The question about Jack's previous occupation was the standard question I had been waiting for.
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Did he become shipwrecked? YES!
almost there... wanna kill it?
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Did he become a monk because in surviving the shipwreck he found God? and realised there was more meaning to life than sailing the world with a woman in every port?
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Did he become a monk because in surviving the shipwreck he found God? and realised there was more meaning to life than sailing the world with a woman in every port?

Time for a

***** SPOILER *****

19th century. Jack, the sailor has always led a sinful life. At every port they visited, he had new women and never refused a glass of alcohol. One drunken night he decided to get a tattoo of his momentary flame. A few years later his ship gets into a fierce storm near the coast of italy. The ship gets wrecked and Jack is desperately clenching his arms around a piece of wood. In his desperation he promises to God "If you let me survive this, I'll give up my sinful life and pledge my life to you." Well, he survives, and, keeping his vow, he gives up on the women and the drink and becomes a monk.

Thanks to all who played and special thanks to Martinfg who did most of the lateral work!!!
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Great puzzle, I must admit once the tattoo was found, I guess a sailor should have been the next thing we found.

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