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Danielvs (Danielvs)
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Thanks to Fred and a mechanical failure, Laura is still alive. Why?
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Was Fred trying to save Laura? Kill her?

Was the mechanical failure in a piece of equipment he was using?
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Was Fred trying to save Laura? NO Kill her? NO

Was the mechanical failure in a piece of equipment he was using? NO
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Who is Fred? Human? Male? Adult?
And who's Laura? Human? Female? Adult?
How would Laura die if she wasn't saved? By murder? Accident?
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Is it relevant to know Fred's job? Laura's job?
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Who is Fred? Human? Male? Adult? NO to all
And who's Laura? Human? Female? Adult? YES to all
How would Laura die if she wasn't saved? By murder? YES Accident? NO

Is it relevant to know Fred's job? see above
Laura's job? YES
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Is Fred an animal? a plant?

If animal, then is Fred a mammal? a reptile? an insect? an amphibian? a fish?

Where does Laura work? Does it involve mechanisms? frequent contacts with creatures like Fred?

Who was the murderer? Was he human? Male? Adult? Is it relevant why he wanted to kill Laura?
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Is Fred an animal? a plant? No to both

If animal, then is Fred a mammal? a reptile? an insect? an amphibian? a fish?^N/A

Where does Laura work? Does it involve mechanisms? YES frequent contacts with creatures like Fred? Yope

Who was the murderer? Was he human? YES Male? YES Adult? YES Is it relevant why he wanted to kill Laura? Yes ish
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Fred is an inanimate being? A dummy?
The mechanical failure in question: did it happen in a vehicle of some sort?
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Fred is an inanimate being? YES A dummy? NO
The mechanical failure in question: did it happen in a vehicle of some sort? NO
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Fred is a machine?
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Fred is a machine? NO
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Is Fred a representation of an animate being? (e.g. a doll, statue, etc.)
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Is Fred a representation of an animate being? (e.g. a doll, statue, etc.) NO
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Is Fred a picture? of a person?
Did the mechanical failure affect Fred?
Did it affect Laura directly? (Other than saving her life, e.g. did it hit her? Or stop her getting somewhere?)
Are the murderer's motives particularly relevant?
Or just the usual LTPF ex-husband out for revenge/serial killer/hitman? :-)
Are the murderer's methods relevant? Did the mechanical failure mean he wasn't able to carry out the murder?
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Is Fred a picture? of a person? NO to both
Did the mechanical failure affect Fred? NO
Did it affect Laura directly? NO(Other than saving her life, e.g. did it hit her? Or stop her getting somewhere?)
Are the murderer's motives particularly relevant? YESish
Or just the usual LTPF ex-husband out for revenge/serial killer/hitman? NO
Are the murderer's methods relevant? NODid the mechanical failure mean he wasn't able to carry out the murder? NO, not directly
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is FRED an acrostic?
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is FRED an acrostic? NO
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Did Fred cause the mechenical failure?
btw, did you take my colour scheme;)
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Did Fred cause the mechenical failure? NO
Actually, I had seen this scheme in some communities of Orkut, such as "Brain Teasers". I think it's easier to see than only bold characters. :-)
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Well, I don't think so. They don't stand out as well as bold.
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um... money, revenge?
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um... money, revenge?
Sorry, I didn't get it... Are these questions about this puzzle?
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asking about motive:P
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Motives for murder: money, YOPE revenge? NO
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Is Fred an event? like a hurricane?
Is he palpable? If so, does he consist of metal? wood? paper? glass? stone? concrete? tissue? organic material? plastic?

Lauras occupation:
artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?

Is the relation between Laura and the would be murderer relevant? family? ex-friends? colleagues? strangers?

Was it a technical failure of a machine?
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Is Fred an event? like a hurricane? YES!!! A HURRICANE!!! :-)
Is he palpable? If so, does he consist of metal? wood? paper? glass? stone? concrete? tissue? organic material? plastic? see above

Lauras occupation:
artistic/musical/writer? NO
Banking/financial/real estate? NO
Clerical/Administrative? NO
Computer related / Hardware ? Yope
Construction / Craftsman ? NO
Education / Academic Research ? NO
Entertainment / Media ? NO
Executive / Management ? NO
Hospitality / Travel ? Yes ish
Legal Services ? NO
Manufacturing / Distributions ? NO
Medical / Health Services ? NO
Politics / Government / Military ? NO
Sales / Marketing ? NO
Technical / Science / Engineering ? Yes ish
Teaching / Child care? NO
Transportation ? YES
Food Service ? NO
Sports? NO
Entertainment? NO
Jailbird / Criminal? NO
Religion? NO

Is the relation between Laura and the would be murderer relevant? NOfamily? NO ex-friends? NO colleagues? NO strangers? YES

Was it a technical failure of a machine? Yesish, but although it is a machine, this is not the word that best defines it.
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failure of a

mechanism?
component?
operating system?
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failure of a

mechanism? Yes, the best option among these three
component?
operating system?
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RECAP
Laura was going to be killed by a stranger, but thanks to hurricane Fred and a mechanical failure, she is still alive.
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Did the hurricane hurt her assailant?
Is it relevant what came first: Fred or mechanical failure? If yes, then what came first?
Was Laura's job connected to hurricanes? Was she a meteorologist? Did she get close to hurricanes?
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Did the hurricane hurt her assailant? NO
Is it relevant what came first: Fred or mechanical failure? Fred was "active" when the mechanical failure happened If yes, then what came first?
Was Laura's job connected to hurricanes? NO Was she a meteorologist? NO Did she get close to hurricanes? Noish
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Was the mechanical failure visible? audible?
Are computers envolved? vehicles?
Did Fred destroy any relevant object? threaten anybody (Laura? the assailant?)?
Are there more people envolved?
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Was the mechanical failure visible? Yesish audible? NO
Are computers envolved? NO vehicles? NO
Did Fred destroy any relevant object? NO threaten anybody (Laura? the assailant?)? NO
Are there more people envolved? YES
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How many more people: 1? 2? 3? ...
Male? Female? Adults? Children?
Was Fred blowing in proximity of Laura? the assailant? the other people? of the place of the mechanical failure?
Was the mechanical failure related to Lauras work?
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How many more people: 1? 2? 3? ... 1 more person
Male? YES Female? Adults?YES Children?
Was Fred blowing in proximity of Laura? the assailant? the other people? of the place of the mechanical failure? Fred wasn't blowing close enough to cause any damage to any of the people/things in this story
Was the mechanical failure related to Lauras work?^NO
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Did Fred distract someone? Scare someone?
The other people involved, Were they trying to help Laura? Her assailant?
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Did Fred distract someone? NO Scare someone? NO
The other people involved, Were they trying to help Laura? There's just one more person involved who was NOT trying to help her Her assailant? Yope
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For the sake of clarity, let's call the stranger who would kill her "Larry" and the other person involved "John".
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Judgedeadd, if you asked if her assailant was trying to help Laura, then the answer is NO
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So "1 more person" was her assailant? I misunderstood, sorry.
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So the three persons heard of Fred only in the news? if yes is the media relevant: TV? radio? newspaper? other?
Is the relation between Laura and John relevant? family? friends? colleagues? strangers?
Is the relation between Larry and John relevant? family? friends? colleagues? strangers?
Are the occupations of Larry or John relevant?
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So "1 more person" was her assailant? I misunderstood, sorry. NO, see recap below

So the three persons heard of Fred only in the news? NOish if yes is the media relevant: TV? radio? newspaper? other? NO
Is the relation between Laura and John relevant? NO family? NO friends? NO colleagues?NO strangers? YES
Is the relation between Larry and John relevant? YES family?NO friends?YESish colleagues?YES strangers?NO
Are the occupations of Larry or John relevant? YES
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RECAP
Laura was going to be killed by Larry. John is another person involved in this story. John and Larry are colleagues and their occupations are relevant. Hurricane Fred was blowing not close enough to cause any harm to the three people of this story, but it was thanks to Fred and a mechanical failure that Laura survived.
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Was John aware that Larry was going to kill Laura?
Was Laura aware of Fred? Was Larry? John?
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There may be some variations on this, but I think I have the basic idea.

Fred was going to take Laura to the airport to catch a plane, but his car had a mechanical failure, which caused her to miss her flight. The plane then crashed and "thanks to Fred and a mechanical failure" she is still alive because she missed that flight and took another (which obviously DIDN'T crash).

A variation on this might be that the plane she was SUPPOSED to get on had a mechanical failure and so it had to be worked on. A guy named Fred offers to let her take HIS seat on another plane that is leaving right then and he takes her spot, waiting for the plane to get fixed.

Between the car problems and the plane problems I think/hope I have the gist of this. Good one!

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After re-reading the "clarification" above I see that the hurricane has something to do with it, but was it because she missed the flight that crashed? (thanks to the mechanical failure)

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Was John aware that Larry was going to kill Laura? YES
Was Laura aware of Fred? YES Was Larry? YES John? YES

Fred was going to take Laura to the airport to catch a plane, but his car had a mechanical failure, which caused her to miss her flight. The plane then crashed and "thanks to Fred and a mechanical failure" she is still alive because she missed that flight and took another (which obviously DIDN'T crash). Sorry, it's completely wrong... :-)

A variation on this might be that the plane she was SUPPOSED to get on had a mechanical failure and so it had to be worked on. A guy named Fred offers to let her take HIS seat on another plane that is leaving right then and he takes her spot, waiting for the plane to get fixed. Wrong, too :-)

After re-reading the "clarification" above I see that the hurricane has something to do with it, but was it because she missed the flight that crashed? (thanks to the mechanical failure) FA
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DOH! Someone wipe "newbie" off my forehead! I was in a hurry to answer and see just how little it would even WORK with your puzzle. Sorry. Also, what does "FA" mean, at the end, there (or do I want to know?" :-)

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FA means "false assumption". :-)
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Larry's and John's occupations:
artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?

Is the mechanical failure related to the work of Laura? Larry? John?
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Larry's and John's occupations:
artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Criminal? YES
Religion?

Is the mechanical failure related to the work of Laura? NO Larry? NOish John? NO
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Apart from attempted murder, which criminal acts are relevant in this puzzle:
pickpocketing? stealing?
burglary? black market?
murder? assault?
accidental killing?
smuggling?
traitor? deserter?
kidnapping? arson?
destroying property?
poacher? disrupting the peace?
Other?
Were Larry and John doing these crimes regularly? relevant?
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Apart from attempted murder, which criminal acts are relevant in this puzzle:
pickpocketing? stealing?
burglary? black market?
murder? assault?
accidental killing?
smuggling?
traitor? deserter?
kidnapping? YES! arson?
destroying property?
poacher? disrupting the peace?
Other?
Were Larry and John doing these crimes regularly? Irrelevant relevant? NO
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Did Larry and John kidnap for money?
Did Larry and John try to kidnap Laura? did they succeed? did Larry want to kill her because they didn't get any money?
Or did they try to kidnap someone else and Laura interfered?
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Did Larry and John kidnap for money? YES
Did Larry and John try to kidnap Laura? YES did they succeed? YES!did Larry want to kill her because they didn't get any money? FA
Or did they try to kidnap someone else and Laura interfered? NO
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Did Larry and John press money? did they get it?
if so, did Larry want to kill Laura after they got the money?
Was Laura imprisoned? relevant?
Did the mechanical failure happen in proximity of Laura? Larry? John?
Was there a conflict between Larry and John?
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Did Larry and John press money? YES did they get it? NO
if so, did Larry want to kill Laura after they got the money? NO
Was Laura imprisoned? NO, but she was a hostage relevant? Not really
Did the mechanical failure happen in proximity of Laura? YES Larry? YES John? NO
Was there a conflict between Larry and John? NO
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So Larry and John did not get any money, correct?
Was John aware that Larry wanted to kill Laura?
Was Larry forced to kill Laura to avoid beeing catched?
Was Larry guarding Laura?
Is the place where Laura was kept relevant?
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So Larry and John did not get any money, correct? Correct
Was John aware that Larry wanted to kill Laura? YES
Was Larry forced to kill Laura to avoid beeing catched? NO
Was Larry guarding Laura? YES
Is the place where Laura was kept relevant? YES
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Was Laura kept outside? in a building? if yes in a residence building? public? commerce?
Did Larry want to kill Laura after realising that they did not get the money?
Was the mechanical failure in an object used for the kidnapping?
When the failure happened was Larry with Laura? was John absent?
Laura was kidnapped against her will, right?
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Was Laura kept outside? YES in a building? NO if yes in a residence building? public? commerce?
Did Larry want to kill Laura after realising that they did not get the money? YESish
Was the mechanical failure in an object YES used for the kidnapping?NOish
When the failure happened was Larry with Laura? YES! was John absent?YES!
Laura was kidnapped against her will, right? YES
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Was Laura kept: far from civilisation? on an island? in a forest? in the mountains? in a cave?
Is the pressed person relevant? is it John?
Was the object which failed mechanically made of: metal? wood? paper? glass? stone? concrete? tissue? organic material? plastic?
Did it belong to Laura? Larry? John?
Is the place where John was relevant?
Did Larry and John carefully chose Laura as a hostage? or was it rather by hazard? relevant?
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Was Laura kept: far from civilisation? YES on an island? NO in a forest? Could be in the mountains? NO in a cave? NO
Is the pressed person relevant? NO is it John? NO
Was the object which failed mechanically made of: metal? YES wood? paper? glass?YES stone? concrete? tissue? organic material? plastic? No to the rest
Did it belong to Laura? NO Larry?YES John? NO
Is the place where John was relevant? NO
Did Larry and John carefully chose Laura as a hostage? NO or was it rather by hazard? relevant? Irrelevant
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Did Laura manage to escape?
Was the object which failed mechanically used to keep Laura?
Has this object windows?
Is it longer than 1 cm? 10 cm? 1 m? 10 m? 100 m?
Is it heavier than 10 g? 100 g? 1 kg? 10 kg? 100 kg? 1000 kg?
Is the country where this happened relevant?
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Did Laura manage to escape? NO
Was the object which failed mechanically used to keep Laura? NO
Has this object windows? NO
Is it longer than 1 cm? 10 cm? 1 m? 10 m? 100 m? about 10 cm I guess
Is it heavier than 10 g? 100 g? 1 kg? 10 kg? 100 kg? 1000 kg? less than 250g, more than 10g
Is the country where this happened relevant? NO, but it couldn't be just "anywhere".
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Did someone free Laura? or was Larry unable to keep her any longer?
The object:
something optical? glasses? binoculars? a magnifying glass?
would you find this object in a usual household?
Did the object break? the glass of it?
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Did someone free Laura?YES or was Larry unable to keep her any longer?NO
The object:
something optical? glasses? binoculars? a magnifying glass? NO to all, but ORT
would you find this object in a usual household? You would find at any home, but it's not part of the house such as a decorative item
Did the object break? If you mean "break" like a glass breaking into pieces, then NO the glass of it? NO
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Did Larry free Laura? John? someone else (if yes is he relevant)?
The object: a light bulb? a jam jar or similar? a bottle? a dish?
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Did Larry free Laura? NO John? NOsomeone else (if yes is he relevant)? Yes, but not really relevant
The object: a light bulb? NO a jam jar or similar? NO a bottle? NO a dish? NO
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Is the approximate prize of this object: 1€? 10€? 100€? 1000€?
Is it made of steel? aluminium? a different metal?
Is it made of normal glass? expensive glass?
Would you find it typically in a kitchen? a living room? a bedroom? a garage?
Is it related to work? science? health? food? entertainment? arts? religion? sports? everyday life?
Was there a direct link between the hurricane and the object? did the hurricane break the object?
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Is the approximate prize of this object: 1€? 10€? 100€? 1000€? Well, it can vary from 5 to more than 1000 euros :-)
Is it made of steel? I think most of them yes aluminium? a different metal?
Is it made of normal glass? YES expensive glass?
Would you find it typically in a kitchen? Hint: there are two types of this object: one is bigger and you can find in most houses; the other one is smaller and basically everyone uses in everyday life a living room? a bedroom? a garage?
Is it related to work? science? health? food? entertainment? arts? religion? sports? everyday life? This one
Was there a direct link between the hurricane and the object? NO did the hurricane break the object? NO

You're almost there, Tobasi!
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a mirror?
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a mirror? NO
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does the object require any source of energy to work? runs on gas? batteries? hand powered? electrical outlet?
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does the object require any source of energy to work? YES runs on gas?NO batteries? YES hand powered? NO electrical outlet? NO
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a watch?
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a watch? YES!!!!!!:-)
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RECAP
Larry and John kidnap Laura. She is kept with Larry in a remote place. Larry was going to kill her, but thanks to hurricane Fred and to a broken watch Laura is still alive.
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so... she was supposed to have been killed at a specific time, but since the killer's watch malfunctioned (damaged by the storm?), the designated time "didn't arrive"?
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so... she was supposed to have been killed at a specific time,YES but since the killer's watch malfunctioned YES(damaged by the storm? NO, irr), the designated time "didn't arrive"? Correct, but...

Larry couldn't kill her before nor after that time (let's say 10 p.m.). So, he had to find a solution... The puzzle continues!
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any particular reason why he couldn't kill before or after?Lets see... the hurricane had a warning, and the murderer had to get somewhere safe before the storm, nor after, because of the rescue team or something?
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any particular reason why he couldn't kill before or after? YES Lets see... the hurricane had a warning, and the murderer had to get somewhere safe before the storm, nor after, because of the rescue team or something? NO, but good idea :-)
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curfews relevant?
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curfews relevant? NO
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To find out the right time the murderer wanted to get the time from the radio but it didn't work because of the hurrikane?
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Daylight savings relevant?
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To find out the right time the murderer wanted to get the time from the radio but it didn't work because of the hurrikane? NO, and FA

Daylight savings relevant? NO
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HINT
Relevant issues:

Laura's job/profession
How Larry managed to know when it would be 10 p.m.
Hurricane Fred's "role" in Laura's survival
What about John? What is he doing while Larry is with Laura?
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Finally found the list!

artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?
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artistic/musical/writer? NO
Banking/financial/real estate? NO
Clerical/Administrative? NO
Computer related / Hardware ? Yope
Construction / Craftsman ? NO
Education / Academic Research ? NO
Entertainment / Media ? NO
Executive / Management ? NO
Hospitality / Travel ? Yes ish
Legal Services ? NO
Manufacturing / Distributions ? NO
Medical / Health Services ? NO
Politics / Government / Military ? NO
Sales / Marketing ? NO
Technical / Science / Engineering ? Yes ish
Teaching / Child care? NO
Transportation ? YES
Food Service ? NO
Sports? <b>NO<b>
Entertainment? NO
Jailbird / Criminal? NO
Religion? NO
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Train/bus times relevant?

Did se have to run a train?
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Train/bus times relevant? NO, but ORT
Did she have to run a train? NO, but ORT
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The way they were to kill her relevant? make a train run over her or something?
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The way they were to kill her relevant? NO make a train run over her or something?
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Is she a mechenic for trains/buses?
She had to fix a track or something?
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Is she a mechenic for trains/buses? NO, but ORT
She had to fix a track or something? NO
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Um... Trains relevant?
Exactly who is Laura? A conductor, a brakeengineer? an engineer? something else?
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Um... Trains relevant? Not trains
Exactly who is Laura? A conductor,You could say that a brakeengineer?NO an engineer?NO something else? Hint: change the way of transport and the word "conductor" and you'll discover her job
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bus-driver?
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bus-driver? NO, but ORT
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Street car? um... airplane boarder?
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Street car? NO
um... airplane boarder? What does "boarder" mean?
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It is someone who gets people onto the airplane

Speaking of that, is the transportation an airplane?
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It is someone who gets people onto the airplane No, but you're close

Speaking of that, is the transportation an airplane? YES!!!
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Pilot then? Attendent? those are the only people I can think of
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Pilot then? YES!!! :-) Attendent? those are the only people I can think of
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Was there a plane nearby?
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Was there a plane nearby? YES!!!
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RECAP
Laura was an airplane pilot. She was kidnapped by Larry and John and kept in a remote place. One day, Laura stayed alone with Larry. At 10 p.m., he would kill her. However, his watch stopped working. Thanks to this and hurricane Fred, Laura escaped her terrible fate. An airplane was nearby.

Relevant issues:
How Larry would know when it would be 10 p.m.
Hurricane Fred's "role" in Laura's survival
What about John? What is he doing while Larry is with Laura?
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Was there a need for them to fly away? Um... Larry would know because of his watch, but unknown to him it broke? Is John getting to a safer place?
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Was there a need for them to fly away? NO Um... Larry would know because of his watch, but unknown to him it broke? NO, he knew it broke Is John getting to a safer place? NO
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Did Larry use his watch to know when it would be 10 pm? Did the watch indicate the wrong time because it was broken? Did the watch just stop running? Is the way it broke relevant?
Had the hurricane an impact on the plane? Could it not take off or land because of the hurricane? Was Laura flying the plane before beeing kidnapped? Is hi-jacking of an aircraft relevant?
Were Laura and Larry near an airport? was John? relevant? Was anyone of them in a plane?
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Did Larry use his watch to know when it would be 10 pm? NO Did the watch indicate the wrong time because it was broken? YES Did the watch just stop running? YES Is the way it broke relevant? NO
Had the hurricane an impact on the plane? NO Could it not take off or land because of the hurricane? NO, it could Was Laura flying the plane before beeing kidnapped? Irrelevant Is hi-jacking of an aircraft relevant? NO
Were Laura and Larry near an airport? Yesish was John? Irrelevant relevant? Was anyone of them in a plane? NO
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Did Larry use the watch for something else?
Were they going to use the plane, but first had to have Laura fly it for them?
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Did Larry use the watch for something else? NO
Were they going to use the plane, NO but first had to have Laura fly it for them? NO
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Did anyone look at the watch, Larry? Laura? John? someone else?
If yes did this one notice that the watch was broken? or was he or she tricked about the acual time?
Did Larry use another object to know when it would be 10 pm? Did he ask someone for the time? If yes Laura? John? Was the precision of his method supposed to be about: 10 min? 1 min? 10 s? 1 s?
What is relevant about the plane: the type? did it fly? had it been flying? anyone in the plane? anything in the plane?
Could Larry see the plane? could Laura? Has more to be found out about their place?
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Did anyone look at the watch, Larry? YES Laura? NO John? NO someone else? NO
If yes did this one notice that the watch was broken? YES or was he or she tricked about the acual time? Yes, when he realized it had broken, he couldn't tell for sure the exact time
Did Larry use another object to know when it would be 10 pm? Not an object Did he ask someone for the time? NO, but... If yes Laura? John? Was the precision of his method supposed to be about: 10 min? YES 1 min? 10 s? 1 s?
What is relevant about the plane: the type? It was a big one did it fly? YES had it been flying? Irrelevant anyone in the plane? Irrelevant anything in the plane? Irrelevant
Could Larry see the plane? NO, but...could Laura? NO, but... Has more to be found out about their place? No
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Could John see the plane? Was the object he used instead also broken? By the hurricane? Were there rescuers inside the plane?
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oh oops, forget about answering my last question
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Did Larry refer to the sunset to know the time? or to the stars?
Could Larry or Laura hear the plane?
Was John aware that Larry would kill Laura at 10 pm?
Did he do anything that he was supposed to do after Lauras death?
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Could John see the plane? NO Was the object he used instead also broken? FA By the hurricane?
Did Larry refer to the sunset to know the time? NO or to the stars? NO
Could Larry or Laura hear the plane? NO
Was John aware that Larry would kill Laura at 10 pm? YES
Did he do anything that he was supposed to do after Lauras death? NO
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Did the hurricane damage the thing that Larry used instead of his watch?
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Did the hurricane damage the thing that Larry used instead of his watch? FA: Larry didn't use any "thing"
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Did Larry use the position of the sun to estimate the time?
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Did Larry use the position of the sun to estimate the time? NO, because the time he had to estimate was 10 p.m.
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So he used the moon?
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Did Larrys method to know the time envolve: technology? astronomy? nature? another person? or did he just estimate the time?
So John did something relevant, was it before? at? after? 10 pm? Was it something illegal? Had it something to do with the money they wanted to press?
Is the distance between Larry/Laura and the plane relevant? More than 1 m? 10 m? 100 m? 1 km? 10 km?
Was the hurricane blowing before? at? after? 10 pm?
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So he used the moon? NO
Did Larrys method to know the time envolve: technology? Yesish astronomy? NO nature? NO another person? Yesish or did he just estimate the time? NO
So John did something relevant, Yesish was it before? Yes at? Yes after? 10 pm? Was it something illegal? Yes Had it something to do with the money they wanted to press? YES
Is the distance between Larry/Laura and the plane relevant? Yesish More than 1 m? 10 m? 100 m? 1 km? 10 km? about 5 km
Was the hurricane blowing before? at? after? 10 pm? Yes to all
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Was Johns job to tell Larry when? To find an airplane? ;)
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Did Larry call the speaking clock to find out the time?
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Was it planned that John would get the money at about 10 pm? Was there a handing over?
Has there more to be found out about the place of Larry and Laura?
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Was Johns job to tell Larry when? Yes To find an airplane? ;) NO
Did Larry call the speaking clock to find out the time?NO, they were in a remote area without telephones
Was it planned that John would get the money at about 10 pm? YES!!!! Was there a handing over? NO
Has there more to be found out about the place of Larry and Laura? NO
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Did John and Larry work together before? Did John give Larry the wrong time on purpose, so he could collect the money earlier?
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Did John and Larry work together before? Irrelevant Did John give Larry the wrong time on purpose, so he could collect the money earlier? NO
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RECAP:
Laura was an airplane pilot. She was kidnapped by Larry and John and kept in a remote place. After some days in captivity, Laura stayed alone with Larry, while John left to get the ransom. The money would be picked up at 10 p.m. While John was out, Larry's watch stopped working and he realized that he wouldn't know when it would be 10 p.m. However, after some time a solution for this problem was found. Thanks to this and hurricane Fred, Laura escaped her terrible fate.

Consider:
1)They were near an airport where there was an airplane.
2) Laura was a pilot.
3) Hurricane Fred.

Relevant issues:
How Larry would know when it would be 10 p.m.
Hurricane Fred's "role" in Laura's survival
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How Larry would know when it would be 10 p.m.: Was the plane involved in this? John? Laura?
Would the puzzle work if Laura was not a pilot? If not: Would Larry and John have chosen another victim? Would she have been killed?
Was John aware that the watch was broken? Has there more to be found out about John and the ransom?
Was the plane flying during the time frame of the story? at 10 pm?
Was the impact of the hurricane primarily on Laura? Larry? John?
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Did Fred never know when to go there, so therefore they couldn't pick up the money?
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How Larry would know when it would be 10 p.m.: Was the plane involved in this? YES John? NO Laura? YESish
Would the puzzle work if Laura was not a pilot? NO If not: Would Larry and John have chosen another victim? NO, because they didn't know this situation would take place Would she have been killed? Probably yes
Was John aware that the watch was broken? NO Has there more to be found out about John and the ransom? NO
Was the plane flying during the time frame of the story? NO at 10 pm? YES!!!
Was the impact of the hurricane primarily on Laura? NO Larry? NO John? NO

Did Fred never know when to go there, so therefore they couldn't pick up the money? Fred is a hurricane:-)
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So the time frame of the puzzle doesn't include 10 pm? Did the puzzle happen before 10 pm? after? Or to put it in another way, did Larry think it was later than it actually was? earlier?
So the plane was supposed to indicate Larry the time in a way? Was it the take off? landing? when the plane passed by? its sonic boom?
Was the indication the plane gave visible? audible? tangible?
Did Laura 'help' Larry? Did she knew the time schedule of the plane? Did she lie to Larry?
Did anything go wrong with this plane method? Was the schedule changed in any way? If yes, was it due to the hurricane?
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I mean John, sorry!
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So the time frame of the puzzle doesn't include 10 pm? Yes, it does include Did the puzzle happen before 10 pm? YES after? A short time after 10 p.m. Or to put it in another way, did Larry think it was later than it actually was? NO earlier? YES
So the plane was supposed to indicate Larry the time in a way? YES!!!Was it the take off? YES!!!landing? NO when the plane passed by? YES!!! its sonic boom? Irr
Was the indication the plane gave visible? FA audible? tangible?
Did Laura 'help' Larry? YES Did she knew the time schedule of the plane? YES Did she lie to Larry? YES, but may lead to FA
Did anything go wrong with this plane method? YES Was the schedule changed in any way? NO, not the schedule, but ORT If yes, was it due to the hurricane? YES, the thing/situation that was changed was due to the hurricane!!!

I mean John, sorry! NO
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Did Larry and Laura see something that was triggered by (the liftoff of) the plane? If yes, was it an object? something in the air?
Was the heading (or the itinerary?) of the plane changed due to the hurricane?
Were Larry and Laura aware that there was a hurricane?
Did Laura give Larry information about: the take-off time? the itinerary? the type of the plane? more? Was Laura's information wrong due to the hurricane?
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Did Larry and Laura see something that was triggered by (the liftoff of) the plane? NO If yes, was it an object? something in the air?
Was the heading (or the itinerary?) of the plane changed due to the hurricane? YES!!!
Were Larry and Laura aware that there was a hurricane? YES
Did Laura give Larry information about: the take-off time? YES the itinerary? YES the type of the plane? YES more? Irr Was Laura's information wrong due to the hurricane? YES!!!

Congratulations! :-) Now you have all the info necessary to solve this puzzle!
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***********SPOILER***************

Laura was a pilot of a cargo air company. Every single day, at 10 p.m., an airplane of that company took off from that small town. It was the only airplane that took off at night.
One day, she was kidnapped by Larry and John. She was kept in a remote place about 5 km (3 mi) from the airport, exactly under the track of the airplanes when they took off from that airport. The airplanes almost always took off towards that place because the winds only blew from one direction in that region.
After some days in captivity, she heard her kidnappers discussing how they would get the money. She heard John telling Larry that he would pick the money at 9:45 p.m., and that he would be back at 10 p.m. to release her. In case he wasn't back at 10 p.m., Larry should kill her and run away.
Some time after John departed, Larry glanced at his watch and realized it had broken (stopped). He cursed and was desperate because he didn't know what to do, since he wouldn't know when it would be 10 p.m. Laura had an idea to save her life.
She knew that the winds had shifted that day. Because of the hurricane, they were blowing from the opposite direction from the one they used to blow. And they were strong enough to make the airplane take-off in the opposite direction, but not enough to prevent it from taking-off.
She then told him about the airplane which took off every night at 10 p.m., and passed exactly over that place. Since it was a cargo plane, there were usually no delays. She never mentioned, of course, that it wouldn't be passing over them that night because it would depart in the opposite direction. Being from that small town, Larry knew that all the things she was telling him was true, and trusted her.
When it was 10 p.m., no airplane overflew them and Larry thought it wasn't 10 p.m. Which he didn't know was that the police had already arrested John and had made him tell where Laura was being held captive. The police then rushed towards Larry and Laura. At 10:15, the police arrived, Larry was arrested and Laura was freed.

CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND PERSISTENCE IN THIS PUZZLE!!! :-)
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WHEW this was a hard one!

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