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Izgany (Izgany)
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Hello. I'm new here, and here's a puzzle which I /hope/ has not been asked before. (I did a couple of searches and went to the site recommanded and didn't find something like this)




A man kneeled by a river and asked the fisherman a question.

"No." The fisherman answered.

The man then commited suicide.
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Was the man trying to find something or someone?
If the fisherman said "Yes", would he still commit suicide?
If the fisherman said "I don't Know", would he still commit suicide?
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Was the man attempting to cross the river?
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Was the man trying to find something or someone? No
If the fisherman said "Yes", would he still commit suicide? No
If the fisherman said "I don't Know", would he still commit suicide? No, but on the right track


Was the man attempting to cross the river? No
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I think I know this...I've emailed!
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Relevant that he kneeled? Did he pray?
Relevant what river? Relevant when this happened?

The fisherman: human? male? adult? alive?
Is the fisherman on a boat?
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Relevant that he kneeled? Yes
Did he pray? Yes
Relevant what river? No
Relevant when this happened? No

The fisherman: human? male? adult? alive? Yes for all
Is the fisherman on a boat? Irrelevant
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If it weren't a fisherman but a man with another job, would he have asked that question? Would he know what to answer? Would it be a yes? A no?
Had they already met? Friends? Enemies?
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If it weren't a fisherman but a man with another job, would he have asked that question? Maybe, but probably not.
Would he know what to answer? Same as above Would it be a yes? A no? Depends
Had they already met? Friends? Enemies? No, irrelevant
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Did he speak to the fisherman while he was praying? before? after?

Is his religion relevant? Christian? Muslim? Jew? Buddhist? Hindu? Other?
Does the fisherman have something to do with Jesus?

Are there other relevant persons in this puzzle?
If yes: 1? 2? 3? more?

Fish relevant? Fishing nets relevant? Fishing rods relevant?
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Did he speak to the fisherman while he was praying? before? after? Irrelevant

Is his religion relevant? Christian? Muslim? Jew? Buddhist? Hindu? Other?
Does the fisherman have something to do with Jesus? Irrelevant

Are there other relevant persons in this puzzle?
If yes: 1? 2? 3? more? Yes, one more

Fish relevant? Fishing nets relevant? Fishing rods relevant? No
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Relevant what the fisherman was praying for?
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Relevant what the fisherman was praying for? Sorry, must clarify if it wasn't clear. The man was praying. And yes.
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Why did the man commit suicide?
Because someone would die?
Because he lost something?
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Why did the man commit suicide?
Because someone would die? No
Because he lost something? No
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When the praying man heard the fisherman speak (he did hear the fisherman speak, correct?), did he know he was hearing a fisherman?
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When the praying man heard the fisherman speak (he did hear the fisherman speak, correct?) Yes, did he know he was hearing a fisherman? Yes.
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When the fisherman spoke, did the praying man realize he (the praying man) had made a mistake? Did he realize that something bad had happened? Did he feel guilty? Did he feel lonely? Did he commit suicide because he knew he would die a horrible death if he didn't?


The praying man: human? adult? male? alive? a fisherman? a samurai?
The third person: human? adult? male? alive? a fisherman?

Did the praying man know the fisherman? Vice versa?
Did the praying man know the third person? Vice versa?
Did the fisherman know the third person? Vice versa?
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When the fisherman spoke, did the praying man realize he (the praying man) had made a mistake? Yes Did he realize that something bad had happened? Yes Did he feel guilty? Yes! Did he feel lonely? Irrelevant Did he commit suicide because he knew he would die a horrible death if he didn't? No


The praying man: human? adult? male? alive? a fisherman? a samurai? Haah. Yes to all, except fisherman and samurai
The third person: human? adult? male? alive? a fisherman? Yes, yes, no, no, no

Did the praying man know the fisherman? Vice versa? Irrelevant
Did the praying man know the third person? Vice versa? Yes, yes
Did the fisherman know the third person? Vice versa? No
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Is romance involved?
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Is romance involved? Yes!
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Was the woman killed by the praying man? Killed by someone else? Did she die in an accident?
Are any boats involved?
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Was the woman killed by the praying man? In a way Killed by someone else? No Did she die in an accident? Yes
Are any boats involved? No
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Was the praying man actually praying to his God? Praying that the woman was alive?
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Was the praying man actually praying to his God? Yes, but irrelevant Praying that the woman was alive? No.
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Was the woman killed by an accident the guy's wife? Girlfriend? Ex-wife/girlfriend?
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Did the guy kill the woman indirectly by inaction? (not helping her when she was in danger?)
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Was the woman killed by an accident the guy's wife? Girlfriend? Ex-wife/girlfriend? Yup. If by ex you mean deceased. Hehh. But he was involved in a relationship with her, until she died.

Did the guy kill the woman indirectly by inaction? (not helping her when she was in danger?) No
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Did the woman die because she wanted to meet the man? To help him? To talk with him?
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Had she done something in that river (or near it?) that he could have prevented?
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Did the woman die because she wanted to meet the man? No To help him? No To talk with him? No

Had she done something in that river (or near it?) that he could have prevented? Yes
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You say the man was praying, and also asking the fisherman a question. Were these two the same act? Or did the man pray, then ask the fisherman a question.
Incidentally, is the fact that the fisherman actually a fisherman relevant? Would a bloke who happened to be in a boat in that position, but had no intention of fishing, have given the same result?
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You say the man was praying, and also asking the fisherman a question. Were these two the same act? Nope Or did the man pray, then ask the fisherman a question. Yup. He performed the two actions seperately, but the order doesn't matter.
Incidentally, is the fact that the fisherman actually a fisherman relevant? Would a bloke who happened to be in a boat in that position, but had no intention of fishing, have given the same result? Hmm... Someone with knowledge of the river and its surrondings will do as well.
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Did she die in the river?
Did she drown?
Did she fall from her boat? Was she practising any sort of sport on the river (eg kayaking?)
Is the question the man asked the fisherman related to a particular characteristic of that river (eg. water currents, temperature etc)?
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Did the woman bathe in the river?
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Did she die in the river? Yes
Did she drown? Yes
Did she fall from her boat? Was she practising any sort of sport on the river (eg kayaking?) Nope
Is the question the man asked the fisherman related to a particular characteristic of that river (eg. water currents, temperature etc)? Yopish. Characteristic, yes, but not what you mentioned

Did the woman bathe in the river? Yes
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Anything related to animal(s) living in the river?
Other things happening in the river at the time she was there (eg military exercises)?
Any characteristic of the water itself?
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She was bathing, but was she trying to cross the river? Is it a wide river? Small one?
Was she in the river for pleasure only (recreational activities)? Or she had another reason to be there?
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Anything related to animal(s) living in the river? Nope, but close
Other things happening in the river at the time she was there (eg military exercises)? Nope
Any characteristic of the water itself? Nope
She was bathing, but was she trying to cross the river? Is it a wide river? Small one? Nope, she wasn't trying to cross. The size is irrelevent, but it's deep enough to drown her.
Was she in the river for pleasure only (recreational activities)? Yup Or she had another reason to be there? Nope
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Any relevant plant life in the river? Or waterfall nearby? Or underwater caves?
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Any relevant plant life in the river? Yup. Plant life Or waterfall nearby? Or underwater caves? Nope, irrelevent
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Did she get "wrapped" or "stuck" by this plant?
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Did she get "wrapped" or "stuck" by this plant? Nope. Arghs. I need to clarify-- misred Plebeian's question. The whole event has to do with plant life, though there isn't plant life in the river.
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Was she a gardener? Did her job involve plants? Sea/river plants? Plants in general?
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Anything related to living creatures (not necessarily animal) in the river?
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Was she a gardener? Did her job involve plants? Sea/river plants? Plants in general? Nope

Anything related to living creatures (not necessarily animal) in the river? Hmm. The event is related to plants, but there are no plants in the river. Any other living creatures are irrelevent.
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Did she get poisoned?
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Did she get poisoned? Nope. She drowned
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So there's something in the river that must be found out, right? Is it a building/construction?
Was she a religious person? Is it relevant?
Does his job involve contact with plants?
Was she affected in some way by the plants? Was she allergic to pollen?
Did he or she have any relevant medical condition?
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Is it relevent that here is in fact no plant life in the river? Or just has to do with some plant life not originationg from a river?/from a river?
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So there's something in the river that must be found out, right? Is it a building/construction? Nope
Was she a religious person? Is it relevant? Nope
Does his job involve contact with plants? Nope
Was she affected in some way by the plants? Was she allergic to pollen? Nope
Did he or she have any relevant medical condition? Hmm. As in, asthma? Nope
Is it relevent that here is in fact no plant life in the river? Yes, very much so Or just has to do with some plant life not originating from a river?/from a river? Nope
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Was there some chemical in the water which killed the plants and animals?
Was the praying man asking the fisherman if he'd caught any fish? Or if there were any fish in the river?
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Was there some chemical in the water which killed the plants and animals? Nope
Was the praying man asking the fisherman if he'd caught any fish? Nope Or if there were any fish in the river? Something close
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Had some disaster occurred which caused the plants and animals to die?
Is this on a normal river in a country on Earth? (albeit in a fictional setting)
Or a mythical river? (e.g Styx?)
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Had some disaster occurred which caused the plants and animals to die? Nope. The river is naturally plantless. Right track about the question which the man asked. Just not fish. Something else.
Is this on a normal river in a country on Earth? (albeit in a fictional setting)
Or a mythical river? (e.g Styx?) Yup, normal
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Did he ask the man if it was safe to swim in the river?
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or did he ask the man something like, "are there any crocodiles in this river"?
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Did he ask the man if it was safe to swim in the river?

or did he ask the man something like, "are there any crocodiles in this river"? Nope, nope. It's mentioned already, just that the connection has not been made
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Did the man ask if she was in the river?
Or did he ask if she had been in the river?
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Did the man ask if she was in the river?
Or did he ask if she had been in the river? Nope, nope. Straying further!
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Did he ask the fisherman if he had seen his wife?
Or did he ask the fisherman if he had seen anybody in the river?
Is the relevant plant life some sort of tree?
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Is the reason he killed himself because he blames himself for his wifes death?
Did he know his wife was dead before he asked the fisherman the question?
Did the answer he received inform him his wife was dead? Directly? indirectly?
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Did he ask the fisherman "Are there any plants in this river" or something like that?
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Did he ask the fisherman if he had seen his wife? Nope
Or did he ask the fisherman if he had seen anybody in the river? Nope
Is the relevant plant life some sort of tree? Nope
Is the reason he killed himself because he blames himself for his wifes death? Yes!
Did he know his wife was dead before he asked the fisherman the question? Yes.
Did the answer he received inform him his wife was dead? Directly? indirectly? Directly

Did he ask the fisherman "Are there any plants in this river" or something like that? Yes! And the fisherman said no, so... something must have made him thought that...
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Was he hoping that plants in the river would give his wife something to cling on to, helping prevent her drowning?
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Was he hoping that plants in the river would give his wife something to cling on to, helping prevent her drowning? Hmm... Nope.
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Sorry slight confusion,:
Did he know his wife was dead before he asked the fisherman the question? Yes
Did the answer he received inform him his wife was dead? Directly? indirectly? Directly
Does this mean he did or didn't know she was dead before asking the question?
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But he didn't ask the fisherman about his wife, correct?
He asked if there were any plants in the river, correct?
And he inferred from that that the wife must be dead?
Oxygenation of water by plants relevant?
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Sorry slight confusion,:
Did he know his wife was dead before he asked the fisherman the question? Yes
Did the answer he received inform him his wife was dead? Directly? indirectly? Directly
Does this mean he did or didn't know she was dead before asking the question? He knew she was dead.

But he didn't ask the fisherman about his wife, correct? Yup. Didn't ask about the wife.
He asked if there were any plants in the river, correct? Yup
And he inferred from that that the wife must be dead? Nope. He knew that his wife was dead already. He was at her death.
Oxygenation of water by plants relevant? Irrelevent
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Is the reason why he prayed important? Or it's just because he was mourning her death?
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Did he tell her to go to that river? To bathe in that river?
Her job has nothing to do with plants, right?
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Is the reason why he prayed important? Or it's just because he was mourning her death? Just mourning her
Did he tell her to go to that river? To bathe in that river? Irrelevent.
Her job has nothing to do with plants, right? Nothing
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Was he looking for plants/flowers for his wife's grave?
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is the river salt water? Does it matter why there are no plants, or is it just important that there are no plants?
while his wife was alive, did this guy think there were plants in the river?
did he at some point see something he assumed to be a plant in the river?
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Lets try this line,
He knew his wife was dead, before he spoke to the fisherman, because he was there when she died, correct?
Did the question he asked the fisherman make him realise it was his fault?
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If she knew that there were no plants in that river, would she have bathed in it?
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Was he looking for plants/flowers for his wife's grave? Nope
is the river salt water? Nope Does it matter why there are no plants, or is it just important that there are no plants? It's just important that there's no plants
while his wife was alive, did this guy think there were plants in the river? Yup. He thought that there were plants until he heard the fisherman answer his question.
did he at some point see something he assumed to be a plant in the river? Not see. Some other sense
He knew his wife was dead, before he spoke to the fisherman, because he was there when she died, correct? Yup
Did the question he asked the fisherman make him realise it was his fault? Yes!
If she knew that there were no plants in that river, would she have bathed in it? Yes
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Did his wife drown because: She could not swim? She had an accident? She got pulled under by a current? She got cramp? She got stuck on something underwater?
Was she conscious when she entered the water?
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Had his wife previously asked her husband about the river, in terms of plant life?
If so, did he suggest there would (or wouldn't?) be plants in the river?
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Did the guy think that the woman was killed by plants?
Was he told by someone that there were plants in the river?
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Did his wife drown because: She could not swim? She had an accident? She got pulled under by a current? She got cramp? She got stuck on something underwater? Irrelevent
Was she conscious when she entered the water? Conscious, then unconscious

Had his wife previously asked her husband about the river, in terms of plant life? Nope
If so, did he suggest there would (or wouldn't?) be plants in the river? Nope

Did the guy think that the woman was killed by plants? Nope, irrelevent. But it's important that he thought that there were plants in the river.
Was he told by someone that there were plants in the river? Nope. He "experienced" it first-hand
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Did eh touch something and he thought it's a plant?
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Did there used to be plants in the river, but not now?
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Is this a different river to the one he was expecting it to be?
Is his wifes body present at the time he asks the question?
Did she die recently?
After entering the water could his wife not get out?
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Did eh touch something and he thought it's a plant? Yes!

Did there used to be plants in the river, but not now? Nope.

Is this a different river to the one he was expecting it to be? Same one
Is his wifes body present at the time he asks the question? Nope.
Did she die recently? Anything from yesterday to half a centuary. Doesn't matter, but just not immediately
After entering the water could his wife not get out? Yes. She drowned
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Did something physically stop her leaving the water? Was something missing that would have helped her leave the water?
Was the answer to his question something like "there used to be plants until *blank* happened, and the man resalised he was responsible for *blank*"?
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Was the thing he touched something belonging to his wife? Or part of his wife?
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Did she bathe in that river because she thought there were no plants in it?
Did the man bathe in that same river after her death?
Has her body ever been recovered from the waters?
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Did something physically stop her leaving the water? Yup Was something missing that would have helped her leave the water? Nope
Was the answer to his question something like "there used to be plants until *blank* happened, and the man resalised he was responsible for *blank*"? Yopish. First part wrong, but the man was indeed responsible for something.
Was the thing he touched something belonging to his wife? Or part of his wife? Yes! Part of her.
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Did he touch the thing at the time of her death?or, at the time of this puzzle?
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Presumably her hair? Or clothes?
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Did he touch the thing at the time of her death?or, at the time of this puzzle? Death

Presumably her hair? Yes! And they felt like...?Or clothes?
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Ah, so he felt in the water at the time of her death (or while she was drowning), and thought he was feeling underwater plants, but speaking to the fisherman later he found out there were no plants, so realised he could have maybe saved his wife?
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Hi, Izgany, how about my questions? (12:14pm) :-)

So... Please correct the wrong part(s):
The man's wife had disappeared and he was trying to find her himself. He knew she had disappeared in that river, so he started looking for her in the water. He was looking for her when he felt something in his legs (her hair), but he couldn't see what it was because visibility in the water was poor. He assumed it was a plant. Later, still puzzled, he asked the fisherman if he knew whether there were plants in that river. Knowing there were no plants in the river, he discovered the truth and killed himself (I just don't know why...).
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May be they were bathing together in the river when she suddenly disappeared. And then, it's how Plebeian said.
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Ah, so he felt in the water at the time of her death (or while she was drowning), and thought he was feeling underwater plants, but speaking to the fisherman later he found out there were no plants, so realised he could have maybe saved his wife? Yupyup. Got it!




Spoiler! Spoiler! Spoiler! Spoiler!

The whole story is, the woman was drowning for some reason. The man saw her drown, and jumped into the river. He couldn't find her, so he pushed himself against what he *thought* was the bottom of river, being covered in floaty plant-thingums, up to the surface. In fact, he actually... well. "Contributed" in a manner to her death.

Days/weeks/months/years later, he realised that the thing he felt wasn't plants, but his wife's head.
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Sorry, Danielvs! Missed your questions. But you've both got the answer!

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