| Author | Message | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 115 Registered: 6-2003 |
I guess, it's time someone composes another song about it. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3158 Registered: 12-2000 |
The song about being 64 - Paul McCartney did not expect to be going through a bitter divorce at that age? Will you still be sending me a Valentine,birthday greetings, bottle of wine? If I'd been out 'till quarter to three,would you lock the door? Will you still need me, will you still feed me, When I'm sixty-four? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 116 Registered: 6-2003 |
no, but nice idea | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 203 Registered: 8-2005 |
Is there a song about it already? Is it about a person? Is it about a time of year? Is it about an event? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 217 Registered: 8-2006 |
So there is an existing song, which is out of date? Is the composer of this song relevant? Is the type of music relevant? classical? rock/pop? jazz/blues? folk? Are the instruments used relevant? Are the lyrics relevant? or rather the melody? Will the lyrics have to be changed? the melody? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1028 Registered: 10-2001 |
Good to see you Dietmar! "it" = something international? something german? an event? a calendar event? a competition? an issue? a protest? a relationship? | ||
| Hipsterzbeware (Hipsterzbeware)
New member Username: Hipsterzbeware Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2006 |
Does the song relate to a specific time that has already passed (like '1999')? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 117 Registered: 6-2003 |
Martinfg (Martinfg) Is there a song about it already? yesish Is it about a person? no Is it about a time of year? no Is it about an event? no Tobasi (Tobasi) So there is an existing song, which is out of date? hmmm, not out of date, no. but there is an existing song Is the composer of this song relevant? no Is the type of music relevant? classical? rock/pop? jazz/blues? folk? not really Are the instruments used relevant? no Are the lyrics relevant? yes or rather the melody? no Will the lyrics have to be changed? yes the melody? no Beroean (Beroean) Good to see you Dietmar! Good to be back, Simon, although I can't promise how long. "it" = something international? something german? german an event? a calendar event? a competition? an issue? a protest? a relationship? no to these Hipsterzbeware (Hipsterzbeware) Does the song relate to a specific time that has already passed (like '1999')? not like this, no. | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2006 |
Is this thought of yours ("I guess, it's time someone composes another song about it") completely serious? Or is it more of a joke? Is this related to something you read? Or something you saw? (My current hyphothesis involves the song "O Tannenbaum" and you reading about some new genetically modified species of christmas tree which grows a lot faster but which only is green during the winter...) | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 220 Registered: 8-2006 |
Does 'it' involve people? animals? objects? A new song has to be composed because of evolution in technology? in society? because of an (historical?) event? Would only one word have to be replaced? expressions? the complete lyrics? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 322 Registered: 9-2006 |
Anything to do with anthem? Berlin Wall? Ideology? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 118 Registered: 6-2003 |
Mani: Is this thought of yours ("I guess, it's time someone composes another song about it") completely serious? Or is it more of a joke? It is serious Is this related to something you read? Or something you saw? both (My current hyphothesis involves the song "O Tannenbaum" and you reading about some new genetically modified species of christmas tree which grows a lot faster but which only is green during the winter...) sigh, another good puzzle lost. no. Tobasi (Tobasi) Does 'it' involve people? yes animals? yes objects? yes A new song has to be composed because of evolution in technology? in society? <-- this one because of an (historical?) event? Would only one word have to be replaced? well, this is hard to define. The exact words are not relevant, it's rather the idea behind it. expressions? the complete lyrics? Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd) Anything to do with anthem? Berlin Wall? Ideology? it has to do with all 3 of them, but that would be misleading | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3160 Registered: 12-2000 |
Anything to do with communism? Keeping the red flag flying? | ||
| Brightkite (Brightkite)
New member Username: Brightkite Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2006 |
pink floyd, the wall? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 119 Registered: 6-2003 |
Lynne (Lynne) Anything to do with communism? Keeping the red flag flying? no Brightkite (Brightkite) pink floyd, the wall? no | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1038 Registered: 10-2001 |
Is the phrase "the Fatherland" relevant? Is it to do with German culture in general? Something from history? Some German values? | ||
| Brightkite (Brightkite)
New member Username: Brightkite Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2006 |
was about to say, 'lucy in the sky with diamonds'by the beatles-referring lsd not anymore around but it does definetly have sth to do with German, you say, right? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2006 |
So is it the song itself that talks about both people, animals and objects? Or is it just that all these three kinds of entities are involved in the puzzle in general? Any specific number of people, animals and objects? If yes, how many of each of these? Any specific species of animal? If so: Domestic or wild? Mammal? Reptile? Amphibious? Bird? Fish? Marsupial? Bacteria? Virus? Non-vertebrate? The social change which has made the song text problematic today: can this change be traced to a specific event? Or some more long-time development and change? If a specific event, when approximately did this event occur? When, approximately, was the song text written? | ||
| Brightkite (Brightkite)
New member Username: Brightkite Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2006 |
PET  shop boys-go west?where the skies are blue and life is peaceful on a promised land... where the air is free...is there anywhere the air is free nowadays?is the west peaceful anymore? if not...related with the western society?values?corruption?when was it composed? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 120 Registered: 6-2003 |
Beroean (Beroean) Is the phrase "the Fatherland" relevant? no Is it to do with German culture in general? not in general, no Something from history? no Some German values? hmmm... not specific German Brightkite (Brightkite) was about to say, 'lucy in the sky with diamonds'by the beatles-referring lsd not anymore around no but it does definetly have sth to do with German, you say, right? this particular song has something to do with something german, yes Mani (Mani) So is it the song itself that talks about both people, animals and objects? no, the song talks about something that also contains people etc. Or is it just that all these three kinds of entities are involved in the puzzle in general? FA, they are not involved in special The social change which has made the song text problematic today: can this change be traced to a specific event? Or some more long-time development and change? If a specific event, when approximately did this event occur? a long-time development over the last 10 to 20 years or so When, approximately, was the song text written? at the end of the 19th century Brightkite (Brightkite) PET shop boys-go west? (...) no if not...related with the western society? values?corruption? it is related to values, yes when was it composed? see above | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3161 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is it a well known song outside of Germany? Was the composer German? Was it written in German? Has it been translated? Do we have an English version of it? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 121 Registered: 6-2003 |
Lynne: Is it a well known song outside of Germany? no. Not even within Germany. I've heard of this song a few days ago for the first time. Was the composer German? yes Was it written in German? yes Has it been translated? I don't think so Do we have an English version of it? no | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 99 Registered: 10-2006 |
Has the song text become "politically incorrect"? Was there some recent discussion of this song in media? Or even controversy? Due to the text having become problematic? Does the song contain potentially problematic references to any the following: race? racism? women's rights? how women are regarded generally? or how men are regarded generally? men's/women's roles? gay people? gender in some other way? The environment? The world? imperialism? colonialism? child rearing? children's rights? love? war? disabled people? conservatism? traditions? customs? taxes? death? economy? history? elderly people? drugs? alcohol? freedom? abortion? religion? atheism? ehm... And you believe that there is despite all a need for some song about the general subject matter of this song? Is the song more known in certain parts of Germany? Former East Germany? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 122 Registered: 6-2003 |
Mani: Has the song text become "politically incorrect"? no Was there some recent discussion of this song in media? not recent, no Or even controversy? not recently Due to the text having become problematic? yes Does the song contain potentially problematic references to any the following: race? racism? women's rights? how women are regarded generally? or how men are regarded generally? men's/women's roles? gay people? gender in some other way? The environment? The world? imperialism? colonialism? child rearing? children's rights? love? war? disabled people? conservatism? traditions? customs? taxes? death? economy? history? elderly people? drugs? alcohol? freedom? abortion? religion? atheism? ehm... great list, thank you. Amongst others, it is about: men, women, maybe gay people, traditions, customs, drugs, alcohol and freedom. Or in short: This song has to do with all people's amusements one could think of. At that time, it was mainly sung about "dance" and "kissing". But this is not "it" in the puzzle title. And you believe that there is despite all a need for some song about the general subject matter of this song? yes Is the song more known in certain parts of Germany? YES Former East Germany? partly (!) | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3163 Registered: 12-2000 |
You've already said that it's partly to do with the Berlin wall (which we are visiting in a couple of weeks time) so is the song more known on the old border? Checkpoint Charlie? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 100 Registered: 10-2006 |
Perhaps it's mostly known in Berlin? I.e. both East and West Berlin? If so, could the song be said to be about Berlin? Perhaps Berlin is even "it"? Here are some more questions based on that hypothesis: Does the song text's becoming problematic have something to do with the reunification of Germany? (That could be called a specific event, though, something which you said wasn't involved here) Something about the (cultural) differences between (people in) East and West Germany... Oh wait, it was written in the 19th century... forget about that thought... Perhaps it has to do with some other geographical area than Berlin, which was also previously divided between East and West Germany? 'At that time, it was mainly sung about "dance" and "kissing".' Does "at that time" refer to the 19th century? Or to the time just before the last 10-20 years? Or to all the time since the creation of the song text except the 10-20 year period? Does the song have a lot of verses, all according to a similar pattern? Can more verses easily be improvised? Does such reinvention of text occur often? and pretty spontanely? Is it a drinking song? Or at least mostly sung while "partying"? Some voice in my back-head keeps repeating the title "Berlin, the town of my dreams" (i.e. something like "Berlin, Stadt meine Träume"). But actually I think my backhead is confused; that one's about Wien, right? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 123 Registered: 6-2003 |
Lynne: You've already said that it's partly to do with the Berlin wall (which we are visiting in a couple of weeks time) so is the song more known on the old border? Checkpoint Charlie? Maybe my answer was misleading. But Mani has it... Mani (Mani) Perhaps it's mostly known in Berlin? I.e. both East and West Berlin? YES, that's it. But nothing to do with the wall, sorry, Lynne. If so, could the song be said to be about Berlin? yope Perhaps Berlin is even "it"? yope to yesish Here are some more questions based on that hypothesis: Does the song text's becoming problematic have something to do with the reunification of Germany? no Something about the (cultural) differences between (people in) East and West Germany... Oh wait, it was written in the 19th century... forget about that thought... already forgotten Perhaps it has to do with some other geographical area than Berlin, which was also previously divided between East and West Germany? no 'At that time, it was mainly sung about "dance" and "kissing".' Does "at that time" refer to the 19th century? yes Or to the time just before the last 10-20 years? Or to all the time since the creation of the song text except the 10-20 year period? what I meant was: "kissing" and "dancing" were at that time the most obscene topics one could sing freely about. Today the text would probably be more rude. Does the song have a lot of verses, all according to a similar pattern? yes Can more verses easily be improvised? yes Does such reinvention of text occur often? Irrelevant and pretty spontanely? irrelevant Is it a drinking song? Or at least mostly sung while "partying"? yes, but not in the first place Some voice in my back-head keeps repeating the title "Berlin, the town of my dreams" (i.e. something like "Berlin, Stadt meine Träume"). But actually I think my backhead is confused; that one's about Wien, right? "Wien, Du Stadt meiner Träume"... nothing to do with this song | ||
| Brightkite (Brightkite)
New member Username: Brightkite Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2006 |
related to the fast growth in German population? being united, one nation under one flag? being unique? the most beautiful city? Berlin being the richest city in Germany or Europe? the most crowded area?the greenest city? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 124 Registered: 6-2003 |
Brightkite: related to the fast growth in German population? being united, one nation under one flag? being unique? the most beautiful city? Berlin being the richest city in Germany or Europe? the most crowded area?the greenest city? none of these, sorry | ||
| Shiftyape (Shiftyape)
New member Username: Shiftyape Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2006 |
Surly not "Springtime for Hitler" from, "The Producers"? ;-) | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 125 Registered: 6-2003 |
no Recap: I guess, it's time someone composes another song about it. There was a song at the end of the 19th century in Germany. The song is fairly unknown, even to germans. It is about something that is yesish-to-yope-ly Berlin. The text contained all kinds of vice. I think, it should be sung again, maybe with a minor change of the text. It has nothing to do with german politics, any World War or The Wall. Theoretically, this could have happened in any other country. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2003 |
Hi Dietmar! How did you hear about the song the first time? Television? Radio? Friends? Read about it in a book? Did you hear the song or did you first hear about it? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 126 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hey Lizzie, still here? :-) I have never heard this song, just read about it in the internet. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2003 |
I am back after a long break. Just too much work to do... But I was happy to see that you are still there Would it help to find out on what kind of site you read about the song? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 127 Registered: 6-2003 |
Cookie: Would it help to find out on what kind of site you read about the song? yes, because there is the whole story listed. So, I won't tell you anything about that site. This has been the first time here again since a few months for me. I am only a rare guest nowadays. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2003 |
So I was lucky to meet you here! I didn't intend to ask you about the site. I just wanted to know if it is worth exploring in that direction. Is it a history-related site? Music-related? Related to a specific person? A specific group of people? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 128 Registered: 6-2003 |
Cookie: Is it a history-related site? Music-related? Related to a specific person? A specific group of people? It is history related. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 77 Registered: 10-2003 |
But the site is not part of wikipedia? If it is an own history related site: Does it provide general information about the time when the song was composed? Was the song well-known in that time? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 129 Registered: 6-2003 |
Cookie: But the site is not part of wikipedia? it can be found in Wikipedia, too. What can't? If it is an own history related site: Does it provide general information about the time when the song was composed? no Was the song well-known in that time? yope. It was known in some region | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 100 Registered: 10-2003 |
Above you say that on the site "the whole story" is listed. So there is a story behind the song? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 131 Registered: 6-2003 |
Yes. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 103 Registered: 10-2003 |
Did something happen in real life and a composer made a song out of it? Is the composer well-known? Is the story well-known? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 132 Registered: 6-2003 |
Cookie: Did something happen in real life and a composer made a song out of it? Is the composer well-known? Is the story well-known? no to all, sorry | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 131 Registered: 10-2003 |
Would it help to find out the story behind the song? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 133 Registered: 6-2003 |
Would it help to find out the story behind the song? ahem, yes. That's what this puzzle is about. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 137 Registered: 10-2003 |
The region where the song was well-known: Prussia? The song was about all kinds of vice. Did the lyrics concern them as something good? something evil? or just tell about it? Are specific persons named in the lyrics? Like "old frederic likes to kiss and tell" and people could know that the emperor was meant? | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 160 Registered: 10-2003 |
Is the word "Berlin" in the title of the song? Is the song something like a couplet? Or from an opera/ operetta/ musical comedy? Does the song tell a story or is the story about why it was composed? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 134 Registered: 6-2003 |
Cookie: The region where the song was well-known: Prussia? yes, a part of... The song was about all kinds of vice. Did the lyrics concern them as something good? yesish something evil? no or just tell about it? yes Are specific persons named in the lyrics? no Is the word "Berlin" in the title of the song? no, but you are close Is the song something like a couplet? yes. good!Or from an opera/ operetta/ musical comedy? no Does the song tell a story or is the story about why it was composed? hmmm, hard to answer. The song rather tells a story. Hint:You still don't have the exact location. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 165 Registered: 10-2003 |
Is the location a part of Berlin? Kreuzberg? Near Berlin? Potsdam? Prussia was so large... Does the song tell a story about a couple? About people in that location in general? Did something in that location change that the song should be changed? Or did the change happen in a larger area? That East and West-Germany are reunited was not relevant, right? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 135 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is the location a part of Berlin? YES! Kreuzberg? Near Berlin? Potsdam? none of these, sorry Prussia was so large... Does the song tell a story about a couple? no About people in that location in general? YES! now you're getting somewhere Did something in that location change that the song should be changed? no, but... better make 2 questions out of this one Or did the change happen in a larger area? no That East and West-Germany are reunited was not relevant, right? right | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 136 Registered: 6-2003 |
LOL, I just read my last but one post. It's no use writing a hint in white in the new forum. | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 297 Registered: 8-2006 |
So which part of Berlin: Mitte? Prenzlauer Berg? Friedrichshain? Treptow? Wedding? Weissensee? Mahrzahn? Lichtenberg? Köpenick? Pankow? Neukölln? Tiergarten? Charlottenburg? Spandau? Wilmersdorf? Steglitz? Reinickendorf? Mariendorf? Zehlendorf? Schöneberg? If none of those is it north? west? south? east? of Mitte? Does the song concern one of these parts of Berlin? or still more specifically one street? one building? monument? park? etc. in this area? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 138 Registered: 6-2003 |
Tobasi: So which part of Berlin: (...)? it's Neukölln Does the song concern one of these parts of Berlin? or still more specifically one street? one building? monument? park? etc. in this area? it is about the district of Neukölln | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 169 Registered: 10-2003 |
Is the word Neukölln in the title? Or should it be in the title? Did Neukölln change so much that the song does not fit to that area any more? Do differenz people live there? Are there different buildings? Or did a park disappear that the song refers to? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 388 Registered: 6-2003 |
So, when the song was composed, Neukölln was not yet part of Berlin. Is this relevant? Is the fact relevant that the name Neukölln was created to mitigate the somewhat bad reputation of the town's previous name? (.. the name "Rieke" springs to mind ..) Is the idea that today Neukölln again has gained a difficult reputation (unjustified) and someone should write another song about it, to get it renamed once again? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 139 Registered: 6-2003 |
Cookie: Is the word Neukölln in the title? no Or should it be in the title? of which one? Did Neukölln change so much that the song does not fit to that area any more? hmmm, yope, rephrase Do differenz people live there? yes, but irr Are there different buildings? yes, but irr Or did a park disappear that the song refers to? no Sundowner: Hey, Jens, nice to see you again! So, when the song was composed, Neukölln was not yet part of Berlin. yes Is this relevant? no Is the fact relevant that the name Neukölln was created to mitigate the somewhat bad reputation of the town's previous name? YES (.. the name "Rieke" springs to mind ..) exactly Is the idea that today Neukölln again has gained a difficult reputation (unjustified) and someone should write another song about it, to get it renamed once again? that's a ***SPOILER*** Rixdorf, today named Neukölln, is a district of Berlin. In the late 19th century, it was a quarter of pure amusement, similar to the "Reeperbahn" in Hamburg. Since 1880, a popular song spread amongst the Berlin people, which mocked about Rixdorf being a district where you just go to have ... well... fun. This came along with the fact that the name itself was felt as wrong. It was too big for a "dorf" (village) meanwhile, and the first syllable "Rix" reminded already in the 19th century to a dirty word of... well... doing it for yourself. So it was decided to rename the district to Neukölln. And really, the bad reputation vanished. After a few years, the song was not heard anymore and the gossip found other victims. Today, Neukölln again has a very bad reputation. If unjustified, as Sundowner states, or not, is argueable. It is at least a multinational district with a high criminal rate and all kinds of social problems. It made the headlines especially this year with many cases of juvenile delinquency. Maybe it's time someone composes another song about it. It has helped once... Thanks for solving this. |
