| Author | Message | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 839 Registered: 3-2006 |
Inspired by one of Nimue's, but this is a completely different puzzle, don't worry! Nick announced, very happily, that he was a plagiarist. Why? | ||
| Zephyr14 (Zephyr14)
New member Username: Zephyr14 Post Number: 117 Registered: 1-2007 |
He announced generally / to everyone? Is there a relevant person (or people) who he tells this? Is he a plagiarist? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 840 Registered: 3-2006 |
He announced generally / to everyone? To everyone present, yes. Is there a relevant person (or people) who he tells this? Yesish Is he a plagiarist? Yes | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2007 |
Would there have been negative consequences if he had not been a plagiarist? Is the person or persons he has plagiarized present? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 842 Registered: 3-2006 |
Would there have been negative consequences if he had not been a plagiarist? Noish Is the person or persons he has plagiarized present? No | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 12 Registered: 2-2007 |
Would the thing that has been plagiarized indicate that the original creator had engaged in an immoral or illegal act? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 843 Registered: 3-2006 |
Would the thing that has been plagiarized indicate that the original creator had engaged in an immoral or illegal act? No | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2007 |
Did the thing he plagiarized contain an error? | ||
| Alizon (Alizon)
New member Username: Alizon Post Number: 486 Registered: 1-2005 |
The plagiarized thing: a painting? A text? | ||
| Zephyr14 (Zephyr14)
New member Username: Zephyr14 Post Number: 118 Registered: 1-2007 |
Images? Music? Software? Patents? Ideas? | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 15 Registered: 2-2007 |
Would he have been even happier to announce that he was NOT a plagiarist (i.e. that he was the creator of the thing)? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 844 Registered: 3-2006 |
Tom: Did the thing he plagiarized contain an error? No Alizon: The plagiarized thing: a painting? No A text? Yes Vlad: Images? Music? Software? Patents? Ideas? Yopeish to this, no to rest Tom: Would he have been even happier to announce that he was NOT a plagiarist (i.e. that he was the creator of the thing)? No | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 21 Registered: 2-2007 |
Did his plagiarism indicate a degree of skill on his part? Was his plagiarism illegal? Will he make money because of his plagiarism? ;) (I think I might have figured this one out) | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 845 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did his plagiarism indicate a degree of skill on his part? Noish to yope Was his plagiarism illegal? Not exactly.. Will he make money because of his plagiarism? ;) No (I think I might have figured this one out) I think not  | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 23 Registered: 2-2007 |
Ah, d*mn - I thought he might be a counterfeiter...  Okay, did his plagiarism require more skill than the original creation? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 847 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ah, d*mn - I thought he might be a counterfeiter... Hehe, that's a good idea actually. But he would hardly want to announce it, would he? Okay, did his plagiarism require more skill than the original creation? No | ||
| Emptyhead (Emptyhead)
New member Username: Emptyhead Post Number: 38 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did Nick actually copied somebody? Or is he lying? Did Nick gain something out of his plagiarism? Text that he copied - a book? a speech? an office document? Relevant what kind of trade (job) he is involved in? The audience to whom he addressed - his coworkers? general audience? his relatives? his friends? Relevant if we find this out? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 848 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did Nick actually copied somebody? Yes Or is he lying? No Did Nick gain something out of his plagiarism? Yesish Text that he copied - a book? a speech? an office document? No to all Relevant what kind of trade (job) he is involved in? Yes The audience to whom he addressed - his coworkers? No general audience? Yesish his relatives? No his friends? Yes Relevant if we find this out? Yes | ||
| Emptyhead (Emptyhead)
New member Username: Emptyhead Post Number: 40 Registered: 6-2006 |
Gain out of plagiarism - General Popularity? Saved from doing something bad or criminal? Monetary gains? Made an impression on somebody? His job - Politics? Writer? Painter? Musician? Office worker? Law enforcer eg. police et al? Bank? Scientist? Teacher? Student? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 851 Registered: 3-2006 |
Gain out of plagiarism - General Popularity? Noish to yope Saved from doing something bad or criminal? No Monetary gains? No Made an impression on somebody? Yesish His job - Politics? Writer? Painter? Musician? Office worker? Law enforcer eg. police et al? Bank? Scientist? Teacher? Student? This | ||
| Emptyhead (Emptyhead)
New member Username: Emptyhead Post Number: 41 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did he copy in exam and was boasting to his friends? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 853 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he copy in exam and was boasting to his friends? No | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 27 Registered: 2-2007 |
Was he happy because he now had a copy of the original? (e.g. a DVD - although I'm not implying it was a DVD) Or because he'd demonstrated his ability to copy something (e.g. the Mona Lisa - as above) | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 855 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was he happy because he now had a copy of the original? No (e.g. a DVD - although I'm not implying it was a DVD) Or because he'd demonstrated his ability to copy something (e.g. the Mona Lisa - as above) No | ||
| Snoozer (Snoozer)
New member Username: Snoozer Post Number: 376 Registered: 1-2007 |
Did he tell them he got away with it? Was he telling the truth? Is he trying to miscredit a teacher? the school? the education system? Is he trying to gain confidence by saying this? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 857 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he tell them he got away with it? Not exactly Was he telling the truth? Yes Is he trying to miscredit a teacher? Yes the school? the education system? No to rest Is he trying to gain confidence by saying this? Noish | ||
| Zephyr14 (Zephyr14)
New member Username: Zephyr14 Post Number: 122 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is his work homework? A project? An essay? Did he plagiarize a well-known work? One of the teacher's works? Was the teacher suppose to know the work very well? But was proven different? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 858 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is his work homework? Yes A project? Not really An essay? No Did he plagiarize a well-known work? Not very One of the teacher's works? No Was the teacher suppose to know the work very well? Noish But was proven different? | ||
| Snoozer (Snoozer)
New member Username: Snoozer Post Number: 380 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the teacher in on it? Is the teacher neglectful? Does he have special privileges with that teacher? Have they got a special relation? Is he offering to help the other students plagiarize? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 859 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the teacher in on it? No Is the teacher neglectful? Neglectful in what way? Does he have special privileges with that teacher? No Have they got a special relation? Noish Is he offering to help the other students plagiarize? No | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 35 Registered: 2-2007 |
Should the teacher have recognised the work as plagiarism but failed to do so? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 864 Registered: 3-2006 |
Should the teacher have recognised the work as plagiarism but failed to do so? Not exactly. Noish | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 45 Registered: 2-2007 |
Was plagiarism a valid way to complete the assignment? | ||
| Zephyr14 (Zephyr14)
New member Username: Zephyr14 Post Number: 127 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the homework research work? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 869 Registered: 3-2006 |
Tom: Was plagiarism a valid way to complete the assignment? No Vlad: Is the homework research work? No | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 152 Registered: 9-2003 |
was he given an assignment at all? did the teacher give him a low mark for it? and then he stood up and said well I copied this from so-and-so and I should have therefore got top marks? did the teacher not like him? | ||
| Emptyhead (Emptyhead)
New member Username: Emptyhead Post Number: 42 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was copying needed to finish his homework? Or could he have finished it anyway? Source of copying - A fellow student's notes or homework? A book? A teacher's notes? A website? Will it help if we could find this? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 872 Registered: 3-2006 |
Damia: was he given an assignment at all? Yes did the teacher give him a low mark for it? Yope and then he stood up and said well I copied this from so-and-so and I should have therefore got top marks? Something like that... did the teacher not like him? Correct Almost there now! Emptyhead: Was copying needed to finish his homework? No Or could he have finished it anyway? Yes he could Source of copying - A fellow student's notes or homework? A book? Thisish A teacher's notes? A website? Will it help if we could find this? Yes | ||
| Emptyhead (Emptyhead)
New member Username: Emptyhead Post Number: 47 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did teacher rejected any of answer/theory/hypothesis that he gave in his homework? Nick claimed this can't be because he copied it from a famous scientist/author and claimed more marks? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 874 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did teacher rejected any of answer/theory/hypothesis that he gave in his homework? No Nick claimed this can't be because he copied it from a famous scientist/author and claimed more marks? Noish | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 55 Registered: 2-2007 |
Did the teacher reject a essay on something as an inaccurate analysis (e.g. an essay about a poem), even though the essay was written by the original creator? (e.g. the poet) <anecdote>I used to be a drama-student, and turned up at college one day and was asked to read my prepared poem. I'd missed the assignment, so I just read a poem I'd written a few years before... the teacher told me that I'd failed to understand what the poet was trying to say..</anecdote> | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 876 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the teacher reject a essay on something as an inaccurate analysis (e.g. an essay about a poem), even though the essay was written by the original creator? (e.g. the poet)No. But you've got quite close in a way! <anecdote>I used to be a drama-student, and turned up at college one day and was asked to read my prepared poem. I'd missed the assignment, so I just read a poem I'd written a few years before... the teacher told me that I'd failed to understand what the poet was trying to say..</anecdote> Hahaha! Reminds me of an incident that happened a few years ago-- my teacher said that she liked the way I used my story to flesh out the tendency of all humans to deceive themselves, or something along those lines, and I was thinking, "...I did??" | ||
| Zephyr14 (Zephyr14)
New member Username: Zephyr14 Post Number: 132 Registered: 1-2007 |
Sometimes we all have that subconscious spark of genius Pity I never get it when playing lateral puzzles Yope for low mark... did he get a mark? Or was it only a pass/fail type of homework (like an exam), and he failed? Did he plagiarise someone in his class? The teacher? Some authority on an issue? Someone completely different? Someone well-known? Bookish: a student's book? Or a work of art? Such as a novel? novella? short story? drama? comedy? movie script? | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 59 Registered: 2-2007 |
Is the original creator present, or known personally by anyone present? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 878 Registered: 3-2006 |
Vlad: Sometimes we all have that subconscious spark of genius Pity I never get it when playing lateral puzzles I seldom get it either Yope for low mark... did he get a mark? No Or was it only a pass/fail type of homework (like an exam) No , and he failed? Noish Did he plagiarise someone in his class? No The teacher? No Some authority on an issue? Noish Someone completely different? Someone well-known? This Bookish: a student's book? Or a work of art? Such as a novel? novella? short story? drama? comedy? movie script? No to all. You missed out something! Tom: Is the original creator present, or known personally by anyone present? No | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 62 Registered: 2-2007 |
Poem, limerick, song? How relevant is the exact form? Could this problem apply to other forms? (e.g. "it's a poem in this instance, but it could have been a short-story") | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 155 Registered: 9-2003 |
did the teacher simply say that whatever it was was terrible? | ||
| Zephyr14 (Zephyr14)
New member Username: Zephyr14 Post Number: 138 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the homework rated by the class? | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 63 Registered: 2-2007 |
Would, in this context, another word for plagarism be "quotation"? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 883 Registered: 3-2006 |
Tom: Poem Yes limerick, song? How relevant is the exact form? Slightly relevant Could this problem apply to other forms? (e.g. "it's a poem in this instance, but it could have been a short-story") Yes, it could, but a poem is most fitting. Damia: did the teacher simply say that whatever it was was terrible? Yes Vlad: Was the homework rated by the class? No Tom: Would, in this context, another word for plagarism be "quotation"? No Almost good enough for a spiol now, just tell me why Nick decided to plagiarise in the first place and we can have a $poiler! | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 64 Registered: 2-2007 |
Was the assignment to write a poem in the style of X, and Nick just plagiarised an obscure poem by X? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 887 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the assignment to write a poem in the style of X, and Nick just plagiarised an obscure poem by X? No | ||
| Emptyhead (Emptyhead)
New member Username: Emptyhead Post Number: 52 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was homework to write a poem? Write about a poet? Find out what poet is trying to say through his poem? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 157 Registered: 9-2003 |
did he do it to prove the teacher didn't like him? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 890 Registered: 3-2006 |
Emptyhead: Was homework to write a poem? Yes Write about a poet? Find out what poet is trying to say through his poem? No to rest Damia: did he do it to prove the teacher didn't like him? Yes, and also.. | ||
| Snoozer (Snoozer)
New member Username: Snoozer Post Number: 387 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the original written by a well-renowned poet? Did he want to prove that the teacher was biased when grading? Or that the teacher failed him without even reading the poem? | ||
| Tomandlu (Tomandlu)
New member Username: Tomandlu Post Number: 69 Registered: 2-2007 |
He copied a poem to prove the teacher didn't like him (since the poem was by a good poet, but the teacher said it was rubbish) and also to prove the teacher didn't know as much about the poet as he should (since he should have recognised the poem)? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 891 Registered: 3-2006 |
Mattias: Was the original written by a well-renowned poet? Yes Did he want to prove that the teacher was biased when grading? Yesish Or that the teacher failed him (He didn't fail him!) without even reading the poem? No Tom: He copied a poem to prove the teacher didn't like him Ay (since the poem was by a good poet, but the teacher said it was rubbish) Yes and also to prove the teacher didn't know as much Yes about the poet as he should (since he should have recognised the poem)? But not this! | ||
| Snoozer (Snoozer)
New member Username: Snoozer Post Number: 389 Registered: 1-2007 |
Did he want to prove that the teacher was unable to distinguish a skilled writer from a poor one? or that it is just not possible to grade poetry in a fair way? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 892 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he want to prove that the teacher was unable to distinguish a skilled writer from a poor one? Yes! or that it is just not possible to grade poetry in a fair way? And now it's time for the... | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 893 Registered: 3-2006 |
***********************SPOILER******************* Nick and his teacher (let's call him Prof Smith) didn't get along. Prof Smith hated Nick's writing style, found it pretentious, and never missed an opportunity to insult Nick's poems. Nick, however, was convinced that Prof Smith was incompetent, and was unable to appreciate the genius behind his poetry. One day, Nick decided to dig up a very obscure poem which ressembled his own style, written by a famous poet, and submitted it as an assignment. Prof Smith played right into Nick's hands; when returning the assignments, he once again dismissed Nick's poem as utter rubbish, even mocking some of the grandiose-sounding phrases in it. Nick, delighted, proceeded to announce that the poem was written, not by him, but by famous poet so-and-so, much to Prof Smith's horror and embarrassment. Thanks for playing, my fellow lateral puzzlers! | ||
| Snoozer (Snoozer)
New member Username: Snoozer Post Number: 392 Registered: 1-2007 |
Thank you, Jackie! | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 895 Registered: 3-2006 |
You're welcome! | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2166 Registered: 8-2001 |
Prof. Smith's embarrassment proves his incompetence. A competent professor (or a competent judge of anything) recognizes that bigshots may do crappy work. As a competent philosophy professor (I hope. . .), I am happy to tell you that the much-trumpeted philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein is a ludicrously overrated windbag. |
