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My first puzzle, so probably too easy for you clever lot. :-)

He clenched his fist. He felt victorious, unaware that he would be dead within minutes.
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Welcome to the forum:-)

He- Human? Adult? Male?

Character in a book? play? film? tv show?

His death from natural causes? murder? accident?

Is the second he the same as the first?
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Welcome to the forum Why thank you! Have spent far too long merely lurking. :-)

He- Human? Yes Adult? Yes Male? Yes

Character in a book? play? film? tv show? No to all

His death from natural causes? No murder? this one accident? No

Is the second he the same as the first? Yes
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Did he feel victorious because of some sort of triumph over someone else? over more people?
Did he feel victorious because he was about to accomplish something that he viewed as a goal? But in fact it lead the murderer to him?
Is the clenching of the fist a gesture of victory? Or is there more to it?
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Did he feel victorious because of some sort of triumph over someone else? Yes over more people? No
Did he feel victorious because he was about to accomplish something that he viewed as a goal? Yes, a minor one But in fact it lead the murderer to him? Yesish
Is the clenching of the fist a gesture of victory? No Or is there more to it? Yes
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He FELT victorious... Was he actually victorious over anything? Was the clenching of the fist that killed him? Did he clench his fist over his NEXT goal? :-)
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He FELT victorious... Was he actually victorious over anything? Yes Was the clenching of the fist that killed him? Yes, indirectly Did he clench his fist over his NEXT goal? No
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Did he clench something in his fist?
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Did he clench something in his fist? No
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Did the murderer see his clenched fist? And this triggered something?
Was the clenched fist a sign for anyone?

Was he in a crowd?
Any other people than him and the murderer involved?
Sports relevant?
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Did the murderer see his clenched fist? No And this triggered something? So no
Was the clenched fist a sign for anyone? Yes

Was he in a crowd? No
Any other people than him and the murderer involved? Yes
Sports relevant? No
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was he a politician who had just won an election and was then assassinated?

Thinking Bobby Kennedy?
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I was thinking along the same lines. But thought of Marthin Luther King??
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was he a politician who had just won an election and was then assassinated? No, afraid not :-)

Thinking Bobby Kennedy? No

Eli
I was thinking along the same lines. But thought of Marthin Luther King?? No
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Was he shot? poisoned? strangled? stabbed? beaten to death?
Is this a true story? is the era relevant?

Did he know his killer?
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Was he shot? poisoned? strangled? stabbed? beaten to death? Irrel, but we'll say beaten
Is this a true story? It happened to an old boyfriend of mine, though fortunately without the death part is the era relevant? Not really but it was a few years ago

Did he know his killer? No
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How many other people involved: one? two? three? more?
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Was his fist clenching misinterpreted? does clenching one's fist mean something else in a different culture?
Did the killer feel insulted by the fist clenching?
Relevant where this occurred?
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Is any type of sport relevant?
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How many other people involved: one? two? three? more? One

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Was his fist clenching misinterpreted? Nodoes clenching one's fist mean something else in a different culture? Not that I know of! To the best of my knowledge, his reason for clenching his fist is something recognised around the world
Did the killer feel insulted by the fist clenching? No, FA
Relevant where this occurred? Yes

Eli
Is any type of sport relevant? No

Please tell me if I'm giving too much away in my responses and ruining the fun, as I said it's my first! :-)
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Please tell me if I'm giving too much away in my responses and ruining the fun, as I said it's my first! Not to me anyway i'm nowhere near a solution:-)

The FA ! Did the killer see him clenching his fist? I asked earlier if the 2nd he was the same as the first, just realised there's a third he, is the 3rd he the same person as 1st & 2nd?
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The FA ! Did the killer see him clenching his fist? No I asked earlier if the 2nd he was the same as the first, just realised there's a third he, is the 3rd he the same person as 1st & 2nd? Yes
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did he clench his fist in order to punch someone? or something? or just to punch it in the air in victory?

did the third person see him clench his fist? did he tell the murderer about it?

was he a friend of the victim? or the murderer?
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did he clench his fist in order to punch someone? No or something? No or just to punch it in the air in victory? No

did the third person see him clench his fist? Yes did he tell the murderer about it? Do you mean did the 3rd person tell the murderer? If so then No, and FA

was he a friend of the victim? Yes, but FA or the murderer? Yope
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You said he didn't clench his fist to punch someone. But did he do it as a threat? Or did he clench his fist for other reasons?
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You said he didn't clench his fist to punch someone. But did he do it as a threat? NoOr did he clench his fist for other reasons? Yes
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Just to clarify this; he does not clench his fist in victory? neither to punch anyone? or as a threat?

The only other things I can think of then is that he clenches his fist to hold something? or as an exercise?
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Just to clarify this; he does not clench his fist in victory? neither to punch anyone? or as a threat? correct, it's none of these

The only other things I can think of then is that he clenches his fist to hold something? no or as an exercise? No
If 'clenched' is misleading, you could simply say he 'made a fist'
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totally lost regarding the clenched fist now, so I better try from a different angle

Was it the clenched fist that actually got him killed? Or some actions leading up to the clenched fist?
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does he clench his fist just to stretch his fingers or something? or crunch them or whatever the correct term is? were there 2 murderers?
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Was it the clenched fist that actually got him killed? It started the chain of events that led to his death, so yes Or some actions leading up to the clenched fist? Noish

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does he clench his fist just to stretch his fingers or something? No or crunch them or whatever the correct term is? No - you could just say 'he made a fist' were there 2 murderers? No
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So, he clenched his fist, then a, b, c,... happened and he was eventually killed? Is it relevant how long time it took from he clenched his fist until he was killed?
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did he make a fist for a reason? do we need to know what that reason is?
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So, he clenched his fist, then a, b, c,... happened and he was eventually killed? Yes Is it relevant how long time it took from he clenched his fist until he was killed? It's given as 'he would be dead within minutes', there's nothing else about the timescale you need to know :-)

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did he make a fist for a reason? YES do we need to know what that reason is? yes it would help
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did he make a fist because of an emotion? for a physical reason? did he look at his fist whilst doing it? had he hurt his hand in any way? was he checking if he could make a fist?
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did he make a fist because of an emotion? Nofor a physical reason? Not sure what you mean, could you rephrase? did he look at his fist whilst doing it? No had he hurt his hand in any way? No was he checking if he could make a fist? No

I could HINT if there are no objections?
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Relevant to know where he was when he clenched his fist?
Was he aware that the murderer and the 3rd person were "watching" him clench his fist? In fact, did he want the murderer / 3rd person to see him clenching his fist?
Relevant to find out his job?
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Relevant to know where he was when he clenched his fist? Yes
Was he aware that the murderer and the 3rd person were "watching" him clench his fist? 3rd person: yes. The murderer didn't see it In fact, did he want the murderer / 3rd person to see him clenching his fist? Murderer: no. 3rd person: yes
Relevant to find out his job? No
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Was he outdoors? Indoors?
Was the 3rd person outdoors? Indoors?
Was the murderer outdoors? Indoors?
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Was he outdoors? Indoors? When he made a fist? Indoors
Was the 3rd person outdoors? Indoors? Indoors
Was the murderer outdoors? Indoors? Outdoors
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Was he in a room? In his house? At a hotel?
In a public building?
In a big indoor place (e.g. hangar, mall)?

Was the murderer just outside the place where he and the 3rd person were?

Is 3rd person related to him (friend, lover, spouse, relative?)
Is the murderer related to him (friend, lover, spouse, relative?)
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Was he physically impaired? In a hospital bed? In a wheelchair?
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Was he in a room? YesIn his house? YesAt a hotel?
In a public building?
In a big indoor place (e.g. hangar, mall)? So no to rest

Was the murderer just outside the place where he and the 3rd person were? well, he wasn't far away

Is 3rd person related to him (friend,<This one lover, spouse, relative?)
Is the murderer related to him (friend, lover, spouse, relative?) No
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Was he physically impaired? In a hospital bed? In a wheelchair? No to all
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Do we need to find out exactly what room he was in?

Was the murderer also in the house in a different room? Just outside the house? In the house next door?
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Was he lying on a bed? on the floor?
Was he sitting?
Was he standing?
Had he ever seen the murderer?
Was he and his friend (3rd person) arguing? Talking about business? Celebrating something?
Did the 3rd person and the murderer know each other? If so, friends? relatives? spouse? lover?
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Do we need to find out exactly what room he was in? Not really

Was the murderer also in the house in a different room? Just outside the house? In the house next door? No to all

I'm taking all these this to mean 'at the time he clenched his fist', please clarify if you meant otherwise
:-)

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Was he lying on a bed? on the floor?
Was he sitting? all irrel
Was he standing? but most likely this one
Had he ever seen the murderer? No
Was he and his friend (3rd person) arguing? Good Q, Noish but explore! Talking about business? No Celebrating something? No
Did the 3rd person and the murderer know each other? YES! If so, friends? No relatives? No spouse? No lover? Noish, explore
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Was he and his friend discussing something?

Did the murderer and the 3rd person have a platonic relationship? Had they just started dating?
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Was he and his friend discussing something? Yes

Did the murderer and the 3rd person have a platonic relationship? No Had they just started dating? No
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Was he telling his friend something that happened to him? That he had won something?
So they were not discussing business. Were they discussing family issues? Talking about the murderer?
Did the murderer know that he had clenched his fist because 3rd person signaled him? Told him?
Murderer = adult? male? female?
Friend = adult? male? female?
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Was he telling his friend something that happened to him? No That he had won something? No
So they were not discussing business. Were they discussing family issues? NoTalking about the murderer? No
Did the murderer know that he had clenched his fist because 3rd person signaled him? No Told him? No, the murderer didn't know at all
Murderer = adult? Yes male? Yes female?
Friend = adult? Yes male? female? Yes
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Relationship between murderer and 3rd person: business? enemies? Did they see each other often?
Is any of the three people physically disabled? Mentally disabled?
So... He clenched his fist -> friend did something -> murderer noticed it -> murderer decided to kill him?
Was the murderer a complete stranger to him? Was he a complete stranger to the murderer?
Relevant to find out 3rd person's and/or the murderer's job?
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Relationship between murderer and 3rd person: business? No enemies? NoDid they see each other often? Not any more...
Is any of the three people physically disabled? No Mentally disabled? Not disabled, though I guess you could call the murderer a little unbalanced!
So... He clenched his fist -> Yes friend did something -> Yes murderer noticed it -> No murderer decided to kill him? Yes
Was the murderer a complete stranger to him? Yes Was he a complete stranger to the murderer? Yes
Relevant to find out 3rd person's and/or the murderer's job? No
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Had the murderer and 3rd person been friends before? lovers? husband and wife?
So the murderer never knew that he had clenched his fist, and killed him because of some action from 3rd person, right?
Was the murderer's intention to kill him or he actually intended to kill 3rd person?
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Had the murderer and 3rd person been friends before? lovers? Yes husband and wife?
So the murderer never knew that he had clenched his fist, Yes and killed him because of some action from 3rd person, right? Yes
Was the murderer's intention to kill him Yesor he actually intended to kill 3rd person? No
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Did he expect 3rd person to react that way after seeing him clenching his fist?
Is this story set nowadays? Some years ago? Last century? Long ago?
Did the murderer decide to kill him only after seeing the action of 3rd person? Or he already wanted to kill him and this event was the "trigger" of the murder?
Was the clenching of the fist a symbol of victory over the murderer?
The reaction of 3rd person: shout? run away? cry?
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did the murderer think that the man and his woman friend were now lovers? did he murder him because of jealousy?

did clenching his fist, make the woman hug him? touch his arm? did the murderer see what the woman did? was he watching the woman? stalking her?
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Did he expect 3rd person to react that way after seeing him clenching his fist? Yes
Is this story set nowadays? Yes Some years ago? Last century? Long ago?
Did the murderer decide to kill him only after seeing the action of 3rd person? No Or he already wanted to kill him and this event was the "trigger" of the murder? No
Was the clenching of the fist a symbol of victory over the murderer? No
The reaction of 3rd person: shout? run away? <This is closest cry?

damia
did the murderer think that the man and his woman friend were now lovers? Yes did he murder him because of jealousy? Yes

did clenching his fist, make the woman hug him? No touch his arm? No did the murderer see what the woman did? NO! was he watching the woman? sort of stalking her? sort of
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Is this happening in real life or in a computer game?
Is he holding on to something when he is clenching his fist?
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Is this happening in real life or in a computer game? RL
Is he holding on to something when he is clenching his fist? No
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Did the murderer think the guy had done something to her because of her reaction?
Did she run searching for help?
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did the murderer think the man and woman were lovers because of the amount of time they spent together? did she stay with him overnight?

did the victim threaten the girl in any way? force her to stay with him for a length of time?
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is the game rock paper scissors relevant?
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Did the murderer think the guy had done something to her because of her reaction? No
Did she run searching for help? No

damia
did the murderer think the man and woman were lovers because of the amount of time they spent together? Yesish did she stay with him overnight? Yesish, explore

did the victim threaten the girl in any way? No force her to stay with him for a length of time? No

is the game rock paper scissors relevant? YES!
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The purpose of the game was to determine who would do something none of them wanted to do? If so, is this "something" related to the killer?
Did he win the game?
Did she win the game?
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did she stay with him until late in the night? does it matter what time she left?
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The purpose of the game was to determine who would do something none of them wanted to do? Yes If so, is this "something" related to the killer? No
Did he win the game? Yes
Did she win the game?

damia
did she stay with him until late in the night? Yesish, FA might be creeping in does it matter what time she left? Yes, on this occasion
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do they live together anyway?

as he won I guess she had to do the thing? did it take her a long time? was the thing neither of them wanted to do a house chore? did it involve cleaning?

did she leave/finish before midnight?
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If he had lost the game and therefore done the thing neither of them wanted to do, would he still have been killed? Or would his woman friend (who won the game) have been killed instead?
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do they live together anyway? Yes

as he won I guess she had to do the thing? Yes did it take her a long time? less than an hour was the thing neither of them wanted to do a house chore? No did it involve cleaning? No

did she leave/finish before midnight? irrel

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If he had lost the game and therefore done the thing neither of them wanted to do, would he still have been killed? No Or would his woman friend (who won the game) have been killed instead? No
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If he had done the thing with the woman would he have been killed? Was he killed because he wasn't doing it? Or because the murderer saw the woman doing it? Did whatever the woman was doing make it look like she and the man were lovers?
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If he had done the thing with the woman would he have been killed? No Was he killed because he wasn't doing it? Yes Or because the murderer saw the woman doing it? No Did whatever the woman was doing make it look like she and the man were lovers? No
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Hmmm... running out of ideas here somewhat...
So did the fact that he wasn't doing the thing somehow convince the murderer that they were lovers? Was the murderer angry because he should have been doing the thing? Or because he made the woman do it?
Is the thing a common thing to do? is it dangerous?
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Hmmm... running out of ideas here somewhat... I'll recap in a minute, but we're getting near :-)

So did the fact that he wasn't doing the thing somehow convince the murderer that they were lovers? Noish Was the murderer angry because he should have been doing the thing? No Or because he made the woman do it? No
Is the thing a common thing to do? Yes is it dangerous? No
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*RECAP*
The victim lives with a female friend. By winning a game of rock paper scissors, at home, he gets out of doing something – something common and not dangerous - that she then has to do. Shortly afterwards he is killed out of jealousy by his friend’s ex who believes she and the victim are lovers. This would not have happened had the victim ‘lost’ and had to do it himself, or done it with his friend. However this would not have caused his friend to be killed instead. The murderer does not see her doing ‘it’. The murderer and the victim have never met.

All that’s left is, what the consequence was to her from losing the game, and another detail that made the murderer so angry and jealous.
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Would it help to find the reason why neither of them wanted to do it? I s the task:
Boring?
Time-consuming?
Messy?
Difficult?
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woops ignore "time-consuming"- i just saw a previous post that says it took less than an hour
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Would it help to find the reason why neither of them wanted to do it? Not really, more likely that they're both just lazy I s the task:
Boring? Not really
Time-consuming? Ignored! :-)
Messy? No
Difficult? No
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The 'thing' is done everyday? by most people in the world? Is it usually done by men? by women?
Does she leave the house in order to do it? If so, does she leave driving a car? on foot? Does she go far away?
You said it takes less than an hour to do it, but does it take more than 30 min? 15-30 min? less than 15 min?
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The 'thing' is done everyday? It could be by most people in the world? could be Is it usually done by men? by women? either
Does she leave the house in order to do it? Yes! If so, does she leave driving a car? No! on foot? Yes!Does she go far away? Not what I'd call far. You've actually got the relevant info you need now about this part, but there is a clue somewhere if you want to get all the specifics
You said it takes less than an hour to do it, but does it take more than 30 min? Likely this 15-30 min? Unlikely less than 15 min? No
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So if he had gone outside with his friend to do the "thing", he wouldn't have been killed. Is that just because the murderer came to the house, and if he had gone he wouldn't have been there to kill? Or is there more?
Did the killer know that the woman had left the house? Or did he find out some other way? Did he ever know she had left the house? Could he see that the man was still in the house?
Did the woman have anything with her when she went out to do the "thing"? Is this relevant?
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Did she go out to walk HIS dog?
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Did she go out to walk HIS dog?
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So if he had gone outside with his friend to do the "thing", he wouldn't have been killed. Correct Is that just because the murderer came to the house, and if he had gone he wouldn't have been there to kill? Yes Or is there more? No, though there's more to why the murderer jumped to the conclusion that he did
Did the killer know that the woman had left the house? NO Or did he find out some other way? Did he ever know she had left the house? Eventually Could he see that the man was still in the house? No
Did the woman have anything with her when she went out to do the "thing"? Is this relevant? No

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Did she go out to walk HIS dog? No
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Did the murderer only find out that the woman had left the house after he killed the man? If he had seen her leave the house would he still have killed the man?
Did the murderer know that the man and woman lived together?
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Did the murderer only find out that the woman had left the house after he killed the man? Yes If he had seen her leave the house would he still have killed the man? No
Did the murderer know that the man and woman lived together? NO! but almost a Noish, explore!
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did he know that a man and woman lived there?
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Was the man alone when he was killed
Did the murderer think that he and the woman were alone in the house together, and jump to the conclusion that they were now lovers?
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did the man do something when he was alone in the house?

did she go out to get food for them? go shopping? get drinks?
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did he know that a man and woman lived there? NO! keep exploring...

Enjay
Was the man alone when he was killed Yes - apart from the murderer being there :-)
Did the murderer think that he and the woman were alone in the house together, and jump to the conclusion that they were now lovers? Yes, but also...

damia
did the man do something when he was alone in the house? Nothing relevant

did she go out to get food for them? No go shopping? Yope get drinks? No
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Did the murderer know that the man lived there, but didn't know the woman lived there too? Or did he know she lived there but didn't realise the man lived there?
Not sure if this has been answered, but if the woman had stayed in with the man, would he still have been killed?
When the murderer came to the house, was he expecting his victim to be there? Because you said he couldn't see whether the man was still in the house. Was he expecting his ex-girlfriend to be there?
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Did the murderer know that the man lived there, but didn't know the woman lived there too? NoOr did he know she lived there but didn't realise the man lived there? Correct... though again with a tiny 'ish'
Not sure if this has been answered, but if the woman had stayed in with the man, would he still have been killed? Tricky one. I'll have to say 'it depends'
When the murderer came to the house, was he expecting his victim to be there? No Because you said he couldn't see whether the man was still in the house. Was he expecting his ex-girlfriend to be there? Yes
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Do we actually need to know what she went out to do? Or is it enough that she went out?
Did the murderer come to the house to see the woman?
Did he think that his ex-girlfriend lived there, but with somebody else? Another woman? Or a different man?
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Do we actually need to know what she went out to do? Or is it enough that she went out? Yep its enough
Did the murderer come to the house to see the woman? Yes
Did he think that his ex-girlfriend lived there, but with somebody else? Yope to yesish Another woman? Yes! but why? Or a different man? No
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Had she told him that she never wanted to see another man again or something? Did he think she lived with a female friend? Ummm...she had become a lesbian?
You said it depended whether he would have been killed if the woman had stayed home. Does that depend on who answered the door to the murderer? If the killer had come to the house and seen them both there, would he have killed the man?
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Had she told him that she never wanted to see another man again or something? No Did he think she lived with a female friend? YesUmmm...she had become a lesbian? No
You said it depended whether he would have been killed if the woman had stayed home. Does that depend on who answered the door to the murderer? Yes If the killer had come to the house and seen them both there, would he have killed the man? Possibly, depending on what the woman did
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Is man's name such that it can be given to either male or female? ( may be spelled differently, but sounds the same )
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Is man's name such that it can be given to either male or female? ( may be spelled differently, but sounds the same )YES!!!! You can explore this a little further otherwise I'm happy to post a $poiler
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So the woman had said something like "I'm living with Charlie now" and the murderer assumed she was living with Charlotte but she was actually living with Charles? And the murderer came to visit her but she was out doing the task, so Charles answered the door, and the murderer jumped to the conclusion that they were now lovers so killed Charles out of jealousy? Since the woman wasn't there, she couldn't set him straight. Right?
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So the woman had said something like "I'm living with Charlie now" and the murderer assumed she was living with Charlotte but she was actually living with Charles? And the murderer came to visit her but she was out doing the task, so Charles answered the door, and the murderer jumped to the conclusion that they were now lovers so killed Charles out of jealousy? Since the woman wasn't there, she couldn't set him straight. Right? Yep more or less! That's pretty much a bullseye so......

*********************SPOILER**********************
Alex (male!) and Bonnie are old friends - platonic - who share a flat. Colin is a chap Bonnie dated briefly. While dating she had occasionally mentioned that she lived with her friend Alex. On realising Colin had taken this to be a female friend, she had chosen not to correct him. After a few weeks she split up with him due to his rather obsessive nature and jealous temper.
The following Sunday evening, there is nothing on the telly so she and Alex decide to rent a movie and play rock-paper-scissors to see who has to go and get it. Alex's rock (fist!) beats Bonnie's scissors so off she goes. It's a nice evening so she decides to walk it.
A few minutes later Colin is passing and seeing her car outside, assumes Bonnie must be home. He decides to attempt to rekindle things and knocks on the door. Imagine his surprise when Alex appears, looking very much at home and very much male. Realising Bonnie had lied to him, he assumes it was to cover up the fact she had been cheating on him with Alex, cue a murder of the most angry and jealous kind.

This happened to my old boyfriend Alex (who fortunately didn't get deaded, just a black eye) and I understand the conversation went along the lines of:

"Who are you then, Alex's boyfriend or something"
"Er, what? No I'm Alex"

Well done and thanks everyone for playing, epecially Enjay, Danielvs, Emeraldink for getting the name thing (which I thought would go FIRST, given everyone's love of naming people on here!!) and kudos to damia for getting what the fist was all about!!

Time for me to stop waffling and think up another puzzle
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Great puzzle, it didn't give too much away and was really fun to solve! Thanks especially to Emeraldink for getting the name thing-I would never have got that!
Enjay (Enjay)
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 11:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And hey...I just got how the title is relevant! Good one!
Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 7:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah see, if only 24 or something had been on, he'd have lived to tell the tale:-)
~damia~ (~damia~)
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Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 8:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

lol great puzzle

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