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Rufus (Rufus)
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Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 4:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some people were angry at him. When they found out more about him, they regretted being angry.
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'Some people' same as 'they/they'? and both 'him' the same person? All human adults?

Any of these relevant;
his job?
his education?
his background?
his hobbies/interests?
his family?
era?
location?

Where they angry at him for something he had done? not done? Something they thought he had done? not done? Did they know him before this (before being angry at him)? Is there anything relevant about 'them'?
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'Some people' same as 'they/they'?yes and both 'him' the same person? yes All human adults? yes

Any of these relevant;
his job?
his education?
his background?
his hobbies/interests?
his family? this
era?
location?

Where they angry at him for something he had done? no not done? this, but could lead to FA Something they thought he had done? no not done? no Did they know him before this (before being angry at him)no? Is there anything relevant about 'them'?no
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Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 3:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Should he have done something? Is this something also important to determine?

His family is relevant. So is it;
his parent?
sibling(s)?
wife?
children?
other family members?
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Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Should he have done something? normally, yes probably Is this something also important to determine? it would help in justifying people's initial reaction

His family is relevant. So is it;
his parent?
sibling(s)?
wife? this
children? and this
other family members?
Eli (Eli)
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Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 3:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That thing he should have done, does it have something to do with his wife and children? Does it matter how many children he has?
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That thing he should have done, does it have something to do with his wife no and children? yes Does it matter how many children he has? exact number not relevant, let's say...three
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Does this thing involve his children upbringing? education? their food? clothes? hobbies?
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Does this thing involve his children upbringing? education? their food? clothes? hobbies?no to all
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Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 7:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did something bad happen, and 'some people' thought it was due to an inaction on his part?
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Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 2:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did something bad happenyes, but..., and 'some people' thought it was due to an inaction on his part?no

The "something bad" is separate from what "he should have done"
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are the some people who are mad at him his colleagues? friends? family? people at his childrens school? teachers? other parents?
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So let's get this straight. There is something he should have done, but didn't do. Correct? And something bad happened, but this was not related to the thing he should have done. Right?
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are the some people who are mad at him his colleagues? friends? family? people at his childrens school? teachers? other parents?none of the above

So let's get this straight. There is something he should have done, but didn't do. Correct? yes, and people are not happy for this reasonAnd something bad happened, but this was not related to the thing he should have done. Right?yes
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Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 10:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are we looking for one very specific thing he should have done , instead of the general ones I listed earlier? Is it something he should have done for the children? about them? with the them?
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hmm ok so the people who are angry at him are strangers? are they angry at him specifically? do any of them know him at all? or are they angry at whoever didn't do it?
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Are we looking for one very specific thing he should have done yes, instead of the general ones I listed earlier? Is it something he should have done for the children? about them? this one is closest with the them?

hmm ok so the people who are angry at him are strangers? yup are they angry at him specifically? can you rephrase this? do any of them know him at all? no or are they angry at whoever didn't do it? more like this one
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I just wondered if they were angry at him as an individual i.e. angry at HIM speicifically, or if they didn't know him and therefore were just angry that no one had done it, but I think you answered that in the last question

was he on strike? did he provide a public service? is he a garbage man? street cleaner? postman?
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Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 1:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just wondered if they were angry at him as an individual i.e. angry at HIM speicifically, or if they didn't know him and therefore were just angry that no one had done it, but I think you answered that in the last question Ok, I see. Yes, I think it was answered already.

was he on strike? nodid he provide a public service? nois he a garbage man?no street cleaner?no postman?no
Actually, his profession is not relevant.
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Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 10:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So there was something he should have done about his children. Was this something that affected other people when it was not done?
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So there was something he should have done about his children. Was this something that affected other people when it was not done?yes
Eli (Eli)
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Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 2:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This thing he should have done, had it something to do with his children's behavior?
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This thing he should have done, had it something to do with his children's behavior?yes
Eli (Eli)
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Did they think the children were misbehaved? Did they think he should have done something about it?
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Did they think the children were misbehaved? yes Did they think he should have done something about it?yes
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Did they only think that the children misbehaved? Or is it something generally regarded as misbehaviour?
Did they say anything? anything impolite?
Did they do anything? not do anything?
The bad thing that happened: Did anyone die? Was anyone hurt? Was anything destroyed?
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Did the children misbehave because they were never told off when they mishave? Becuase of something else?
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Did they only think that the children misbehaved? Or is it something generally regarded as misbehaviour? Can you rephrase these two questions?
Did they say anything? anything impolite? assuming "they" refers to the children...they were being rambunctious and unruly, but was not doing or saying anything in particular...I think the reason for people's anger is clear enough now for the sake of this puzzle...need to work on why they regretted being angry...
Did they do anything? not do anything?
The bad thing that happened: Did anyone die? yes Was anyone hurt? no Was anything destroyed?no

Did the children misbehave because they were never told off when they mishave? no Becuase of something else?yesish
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Are the children suffering from a disease? medical disorder?
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Did one person die? several?
Was the person(s) who died: the mother of the children? one of the children? the man? a stranger?
Is the way the person died relevant? by illness? accident? murder?
Did they regret being angry when they knew that someone had died?
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Are the children suffering from a disease? medical disorder?no to both

Did one person die? this several?
Was the person(s) who died: the mother of the children? this one of the children? the man? a stranger?
Is the way the person died relevant? not really by illness? but let's say it's this one accident? murder?
Did they regret being angry when they knew that someone had died?yes
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Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 11:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think it's close enough now...

*************** SPOILER ****************
A man walked into a subway car with his children. His children were loud and unruly, and were annoying the other passengers in the car. A fellow, equally irritated as others, asked the man if there was something he could do about his children. The man came out of his daze, and agreed...adding that he and his children just came out of the hospital where his wife died recently, and his children were probably at a loss over how to react to this fact as much as he was. The anger in the subway car changed to sympathy for the man and his children, and the fellow passengers regretted passing judgement prematurely.
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Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 11:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

re-post

I think it's close enough now...

*************** SPOILER ****************
A man walked into a subway car with his children. His children were loud and unruly, and were annoying the other passengers in the car. A fellow, equally irritated as others, asked the man if there was something he could do about his children. The man came out of his daze, and agreed...adding that he and his children just came out of the hospital where his wife died recently, and his children were probably at a loss over how to react to this fact as much as he was. The anger in the subway car changed to sympathy for the man and his children, and the fellow passengers regretted passing judgement prematurely.
Eli (Eli)
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Posted on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for a good puzzles, Rufus.. Reminds me of an episode of Eastenders (if you know that soap). We do seem to pass judgement too easily.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for playing, Eli. I actually got this story from a session that touched on paradigm shifts. I guess that's what lateral thinking is all about. Cheers!

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