| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2336 Registered: 8-2001 |
Only in America would Jose have faked a sneeze for the reason he did. How come?? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 385 Registered: 4-2007 |
Jose=human adult male? Are American politics relevant? American attitudes? Any specific American person relevant? Jose's nationality relevant? His job? Gender? Where he was in America? | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2007 |
Does sneeze literally mean sneeze (exhalation from nose)? Does the time zone matter? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2339 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 385 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 6:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Jose=human adult male? Are American politics relevant? yes American attitudes? yesAny specific American person relevant? no Jose's nationality relevant?No, as long as he is in America he doesn't have to be American, although he probably would be His job? no Gender? noWhere he was in America? yes Deathateaster (Deathateaster) New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 7:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does sneeze literally mean sneeze (exhalation from nose)? yesDoes the time zone matter? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 391 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did he want people to think he was really sneezing? Did he want them to think he was allergic to something? To think he had a cold? Or some other illness? Was he trying to cover something up? Another sound? Could a cough have served the same purpose? Does the area of America Jose is in have any particular religious beliefs relevant to this puzzle? Political beliefs? Any prejudices? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1044 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did he sneeze so he would HAVE to close his eyes? wipe his nose? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 488 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did he sneeze to gain something? to avoid something unpleasant? is his job relevant? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 899 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is there some law involved? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 185 Registered: 4-2007 |
did he sneeze as a reaction to something (i.e. allergies, something tickled his nose, etc)? or did he force himself to sneeze? did he really sneeze or did he want people to think he was sneezing? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 443 Registered: 8-2006 |
Does America stand for: the United States? North America? North and South America? Or is the place more restricted: one state of the US? one city? Are animals or plants living in America relevant? or something geographical/geological? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2343 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 391 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 10:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he want people to think he was really sneezing? possibly Did he want them to think he was allergic to something? no To think he had a cold? no Or some other illness? no Was he trying to cover something up? no Another sound? no Could a cough have served the same purpose? no Does the area of America Jose is in have any particular religious beliefs relevant to this puzzle?yesish Political beliefs? yesish Any prejudices? no Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig) New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1044 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 11:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he sneeze so he would HAVE to close his eyes? no wipe his nose? no Eli (Eli) New member Username: Eli Post Number: 488 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 10:38 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he sneeze to gain something? yes to avoid something unpleasant? no is his job relevant? possibly | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2344 Registered: 8-2001 |
Woodworm (Woodworm) New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 899 Registered: 3-2006 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 11:38 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is there some law involved? Booklover (Booklover) New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 185 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 12:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) did he sneeze as a reaction to something (i.e. allergies, something tickled his nose, etc)? or did he force himself to sneeze? did he really sneeze or did he want people to think he was sneezing? Tobasi (Tobasi) New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 443 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 1:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does America stand for: the United States? yes North America? see previous answer North and South America? see previous answer Or is the place more restricted yes: one state of the US? no one city? no Are animals or plants living in America relevant? no or something geographical/geological? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 425 Registered: 4-2007 |
Could this quite literally not happen anywhere but one particular area of America? Is this area smaller than a state? Smaller than a city? Are any laws relevant? If so, are these laws only in place in certain states? Did Jose gain financially from the sneeze? Gain in status? Was he trying to get people to move away from him? To disgust them? Is it relevant how many people were around him when he faked the sneeze? If so, 1? 2? 3?...? Any people relevant to this puzzle who weren't around? | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2007 |
Is it to do with bowing to someone, say, in a sarcastic sense to a particular person? Is other people/person involved? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2346 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 425 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 7:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Could this quite literally not happen anywhere but one particular area of America? yesish Is this area smaller than a state? yes but there are many such areas Smaller than a city?ditto Are any laws relevant? yes If so, are these laws only in place in certain states? no Did Jose gain financially from the sneeze? no Gain in status? no Was he trying to get people to move away from him? no To disgust them? no Is it relevant how many people were around him when he faked the sneeze? yes If so, 1? 2? 3?...?Probably at least 100 & possibly thousands Any people relevant to this puzzle who weren't around? yes Deathateaster (Deathateaster) New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 7:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it to do with bowing to someone, say, in a sarcastic sense to a particular person? no Is other people/person involved? yes | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 449 Registered: 8-2006 |
The relationship between Jose and the other people involved: family? friends? colleagues? strangers? Is a handkerchief relevant? a drug? Did this happen inside? outside? At a meeting? at a cultural (political? educational? sports?) event? And I think you missed 'Booklovers' questions. | ||
| Antropofaga (Antropofaga)
New member Username: Antropofaga Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2007 |
Is the specific place a stadium? Another concert/entertainment venue? A public speaking event of some type? Is he in front of an audience? Did everyone around him notice the sneeze? If not, did anyone notice it? Is he doing anything illegal? Could it be considered immoral? Is he uncertain what to do in this situation, so he sneezes instead? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2350 Registered: 8-2001 |
Booklover (Booklover) New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 185 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 12:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) did he sneeze as a reaction to something (i.e. allergies, something tickled his nose, etc)? no or did he force himself to sneeze? no did he really sneeze no or did he want people to think he was sneezing? yesish | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2351 Registered: 8-2001 |
Tobasi (Tobasi) New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 449 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 9:14 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The relationship between Jose and the other people involved: family?possibly some but not all friends? ditto colleagues? maybe some strangers? possibly but not necessarily Is a handkerchief relevant? no a drug? no Did this happen inside? possibly outside? ditto At a meeting? yope at a cultural yope (political? no educational? yes sports? no) event? And I think you missed 'Booklovers' questions. Antropofaga (Antropofaga) Refcified with my humble & heartfelt apologies New member Username: Antropofaga Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 8:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the specific place a stadium? possible but unlikely Another concert\/entertainment venue? possibly A public speaking event of some type? yes Is he in front of an audience? yes Did everyone around him notice the sneeze? possibly If not, did anyone notice it? yes Is he doing anything illegal? no Could it be considered immoral? by some but not all people Is he uncertain what to do in this situation, so he sneezes instead? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 514 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did he want to delay something that he had to say? Was he expressing his disgust at something? Was he giving a speech? Singing a song? Performing something? Was he acting and the character in the play had to sneeze at that point? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2353 Registered: 8-2001 |
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 514 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 6:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he want to delay something that he had to say? no Was he expressing his disgust at something? no Was he giving a speech? yes Singing a song? no Performing something? see previous answer but one Was he acting and the character in the play had to sneeze at that point? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 517 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the sneeze part of his speech? Did it somehow illustrate a point he was making? Would the audience have thought he had actually sneezed? Is he famous? An important person? Is it relevant at what point in his speech he sneezed? Is it relevant what the subject of the speech was? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2354 Registered: 8-2001 |
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 517 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 7:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the sneeze part of his speech? yope or yesish Did it somehow illustrate a point he was making? no Would the audience have thought he had actually sneezed? Some would & some would notIs he famous? possibly but not necessarily An important person? yes or yesish Is it relevant at what point in his speech he sneezed? no Is it relevant what the subject of the speech was? yes | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 218 Registered: 4-2007 |
would the people in the audience who knew that he didn't sneeze on purpose--would they have laughed? shook heads in agreement? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2356 Registered: 8-2001 |
Booklover (Booklover) New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 218 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 10:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) would the people in the audience who knew that he didn't sneeze on purpose--would they have laughed?Remember, he did fake a sneeze on purpose. people in the audience who knew this would not have laughed shook heads in agreement? They would not have done this, either | ||
| E20 (E20)
New member Username: E20 Post Number: 301 Registered: 10-2004 |
Did he write the speech himself? Was the sneeze intended as a signal to some members of his audience? Was the event being broadcast? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2357 Registered: 8-2001 |
E20 (E20) New member Username: E20 Post Number: 301 Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 8:05 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he write the speech himself?{probably but not necessarily} Was the sneeze intended as a signal to some members of his audience? yes Was the event being broadcast? irrel | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 702 Registered: 9-2006 |
Were those members a particular religious group? political group? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2365 Registered: 8-2001 |
Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd) New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 702 Registered: 9-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 8:51 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Were those members a particular religious group? yes./ GOOOOOOOD QUESTION!! political group? yesish | ||
| E20 (E20)
New member Username: E20 Post Number: 309 Registered: 10-2004 |
This was at an educational event? Was the setting (not sure of the termonology here ... please correct any cultural errors..): Pre-school? Elementary school? High School? College? University? Adult education? The particular religious group: Christian? Jewish? Islamic? Buddhist? Hindu? Sikh? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2370 Registered: 8-2001 |
E20 (E20) New member Username: E20 Post Number: 309 Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 9:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) This was at an educational event? yes Was the setting (not sure of the termonology here ... please correct any cultural errors..): Pre-school? no Elementary school? possibly High School? possibly College? possibly University? possibly Adult education? unlikely The particular religious group: Christian? possibly Jewish? possibly-- it was probably Christians &/or Jews Islamic? unlikely Buddhist? no Hindu? no Sikh?I don't klnow enough about this religion to say | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 723 Registered: 9-2006 |
Monotheism relevant? Jesus Christ relevant? Angels relevant? Demons relevant? Any political issue (abortion, gay rights etc.) relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2372 Registered: 8-2001 |
Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd) New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 723 Registered: 9-2006 Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 10:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Monotheism relevant? yope Jesus Christ relevant? no--it would work as well with Jews--see above Angels relevant? no Demons relevant? no Any political issue (abortion, gay rights etc.) relevant? any political issue? yes. abortion or gay rights? no | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 242 Registered: 4-2007 |
ten commandments? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2376 Registered: 8-2001 |
Booklover (Booklover) New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 242 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 10:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) ten commandments?no. "Thou shalt not sneeze?" | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 243 Registered: 4-2007 |
I was thinking more along the lines of "thou shalt not covet my sneezing abilities" :0) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2377 Registered: 8-2001 |
Booklover (Booklover) New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 243 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 10:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I was thinking more along the lines of "thou shalt not covet my sneezing abilities" :0) Sorry, but noooooooooo | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 463 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is the bible relevant? any citation of the bible? The political issue: is it specific to America? to the western world? to modern times (say the last decade)? Which department of the US-government would the political issue mostly concern: State (foreign ministry)? Treasury? Defense? Justice? Interior? Agriculture? Commerce? Labor? Health and Human Services? Housing and Urban Development? Transportation? Energy? Education? Veterans Affairs? Homeland Security? Could this have happened: 1? 2? 5? 10? 20? 50? 100? 200? 500? 1000? 1000? years ago? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 153 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did he sneeze to avoid saying something? to switch the topics? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2382 Registered: 8-2001 |
Tobasi (Tobasi) New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 463 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 5:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the bible relevant? no any citation of the bible? no The political issue: is it specific to America? yes to the western world? to modern times (say the last decade)? Which department of the US-government would the political issue mostly concern: State (foreign ministry)? Treasury? Defense? Justice? Interior? Agriculture? Commerce? Labor? Health and Human Services? Housing and Urban Development? Transportation? Energy? Education? Veterans Affairs? Homeland Security? justice is closest Could this have happened: 1? 2? 5? 10? 20? 50? 100? 200? 500? 1000? 1000? years ago? It could have hasppened anytime after America became a country Emeraldink (Emeraldink) New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 153 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 1:16 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he sneeze to avoid saying something? no to switch the topics? yesish | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 556 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the sneeze a signal for the religious group to do something? Had Jose arranged with them beforehand that the sneeze meant this? Did the religious group know that Jose would sneeze? If so, did they know exactly when? Or did they just know that he would sneeze but didn't know at what point in the speech? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2384 Registered: 8-2001 |
8-2001 Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 7:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Tobasi (Tobasi) New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 463 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2007 - 5:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the bible relevant? no any citation of the bible? no The political issue: is it specific to America? yes to the western world? to modern times (say the last decade)? Which department of the US-government would the political issue mostly concern: State (foreign ministry)? Treasury? Defense? Justice? Interior? Agriculture? Commerce? Labor? Health and Human Services? Housing and Urban Development? Transportation? Energy? Education? Veterans Affairs? Homeland Security? justice is closest Could this have happened: 1? 2? 5? 10? 20? 50? 100? 200? 500? 1000? 1000? years ago? It could have hasppened anytime after America became a country Emeraldink (Emeraldink) New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 153 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 1:16 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he sneeze to avoid saying something? no to switch the topics? yesish Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 556 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 8:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the sneeze a signal for the religious group to do something? yes Had Jose arranged with them beforehand that the sneeze meant this? Did the religious group know that Jose would sneeze? yesIf so, did they know exactly when? no Or did they just know that he would sneeze but didn't know at what point in the speech? yes | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 557 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did they walk out? Make a noise? Interrupt his speech? Start applauding? Would what they did have shown support for the speech? Shown disagreement? Was this plan designed to show others that the religious group held particular views? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2385 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 557 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 9:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did they walk out? no Make a noise? yesish Interrupt his speech? yesish Start applauding? no Would what they did have shown support for the speech? no Shown disagreement? no Was this plan designed to show others that the religious group held particular views? yesish | ||
| E20 (E20)
New member Username: E20 Post Number: 311 Registered: 10-2004 |
Did they issue a sneeze in response to Jose's? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2386 Registered: 8-2001 |
E20 (E20) New member Username: E20 Post Number: 311 Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 8:17 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did they issue a sneeze in response to Jose's? no | ||
| E20 (E20)
New member Username: E20 Post Number: 312 Registered: 10-2004 |
Did this sneezing event happen on more than one occasion? Was Jose a teacher? Lecturer? Priest? Politician? How many minutes (in total) did Jose's speech last? Less than 5? 10? 15? 20? 25? 30? 35? ... How many minutes into the speech was he when he sneezed? Less than 5? 10? 15? 20? 25? 30? 35? ... | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2387 Registered: 8-2001 |
E20 (E20) New member Username: E20 Post Number: 312 Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 9:49 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did this sneezing event happen on more than one occasion?There would probably be only one sneeze per occasion but there could be more than one occasion Was Jose a teacher?possibly Lecturer? yesish Priest? possibly Politician? possibly How many minutes (in total) did Jose's speech last? Less than 5? 10? 15? 20? 25? 30? 35? ... It could vary, but probably around 20 How many minutes into the speech was he when he sneezed? Less than 5? 10? 15? 20? 25? 30? 35? irrel | ||
| Antropofaga (Antropofaga)
New member Username: Antropofaga Post Number: 14 Registered: 5-2007 |
Is he speaking entirely to members of this religion? Is he being broadcast in any way? A guess: Is he hoping that they say God Bless You or any derivitave thereof? Is he trying to identify members of that religion in his audience? The action they are supposed to take in response: is it to stand? To boo him? To say something specifically? If the latter, would they all be saying it at the same time? "Amen"? | ||
| Antropofaga (Antropofaga)
New member Username: Antropofaga Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2007 |
Ooh, ooh! As I follow my own winding train of thought to it's sensible conclusion... Is it the case that in America, people are so inattentive in church (possibly during Superbowl Sunday?) that the pastor actually has to sneeze at the end of his sermon to make them look up and say Amen? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 573 Registered: 4-2007 |
Oh! I heard a story that in some American university they said the students couldn't thank God on their graduation speeches in case they offended members of other religions, but one guy sneezed and all his friends cried "God bless you"-following on from Antropofaga's idea, is this it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2389 Registered: 8-2001 |
w member Username: Antropofaga Post Number: 14 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 2:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is he speaking entirely to members of this religion? no Is he being broadcast in any way? irrel A guess: Is he hoping that they say God Bless You or any derivitave thereof? yes!!!!! Is he trying to identify members of that religion in his audience no The action they are supposed to take in response: is it to stand? no To boo him? noTo say something specifically? yes If the latter, would they all be saying it at the same time? yes "Amen"? no. It's "God bless you." See above. Antropofaga (Antropofaga) New member Username: Antropofaga Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 2:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Ooh, ooh! As I follow my own winding train of thought to it's sensible conclusion... Is it the case that in America, people are so inattentive in church (possibly during Superbowl Sunday?) that the pastor actually has to sneeze at the end of his sermon to make them look up and say Amen? irrel Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 573 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 3:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Oh! I heard a story that in some American university they said the students couldn't thank God on their graduation speeches yes in case they offended members of other religions no, but one guy sneezed and all his friends cried "God bless you"-following on from Antropofaga's idea, is this it? You're VERY ORT (on the right track), but you haven't identified what's distinctively American about this situation. After all, there are many countries in which mention of God at a graduation might offend someone. But Jose's particular reason is distinctively American | ||
| Antropofaga (Antropofaga)
New member Username: Antropofaga Post Number: 22 Registered: 5-2007 |
Hrm...because the diversity of America ensures that not everyone in his audience believes in a single benevolent God? Is his own religion relevant? Any specific law involved? US history? Pop culture? Athiesm/agnosticism relevant in any way? If so, is he athiest? Is his audience? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2393 Registered: 8-2001 |
Antropofaga (Antropofaga) New member Username: Antropofaga Post Number: 22 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 10:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Hrm...because the diversity of America ensures that not everyone in his audience believes in a single benevolent God? Thsat's not it--many bother societies are diverse in this way, but Jose's specific reason wouldn't apply to them Is his own religion relevant? As I mentioned, he's probably a Christian or a Jew (More likely a CCHristian--that's a HINT Any specific law involved? US history? yes Pop culture? no Athiesm/agnosticism relevant in any way? noish If so, is he athiest? no Is his audience? not all but maybe some | ||
| Antropofaga (Antropofaga)
New member Username: Antropofaga Post Number: 28 Registered: 5-2007 |
Is there a historical precedent that decides that the word "God" shouldn't be said in speeches? Only in this specific type of speech? Only at this school? If so, did something bad happen as a result of God being mentioned in the past? Is he quoting or paraphrasing a past speech? Any famous American relevant? If so, colonial? Civil war? 20th century? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2404 Registered: 8-2001 |
Antropofaga (Antropofaga) New member Username: Antropofaga Post Number: 28 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 2:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is there a historical precedent that decides that the word "God" shouldn't be said in speeches?see next answer Only in this specific type of speech? yesish Only at this school? no If so, did something bad happen as a result of God being mentioned in the past? no Is he quoting or paraphrasing a past speech? no Any famous American relevant? noish If so, colonial? noish Civil war? no 20th century? no | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 192 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is separation of Church and State relevant? | ||
| Woubit (Woubit)
Moderator Username: Woubit Post Number: 19 Registered: 5-2007 |
I seem to recall vaguely that in some (if not all) parts of the United States, graduation speeches are actually vetted to make sure that they do not contain any references to God that are considered to be "proselytizing". Indeed, if memory serves, officials actually switched off the microphone during one graduation speech before the student could utter the word "Christ". Is the idea that Joe faked his sneeze in order not to utter the name of his God and incur the wrath of his school authorities (and possibly the American Civil Liberties Union)? If that is the case, then God help America, although it is not immediately clear to me why He would bother. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2409 Registered: 8-2001 |
Post Number: 192 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 6:36 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is separation of Church and State relevant? YES!!! Woubit (Woubit) Moderator Username: Woubit Post Number: 19 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 9:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I seem to recall vaguely that in some (if not all) parts of the United States, graduation speeches are actually vetted to make sure that they do not contain any references to God that are considered to be "proselytizing". Indeed, if memory serves, officials actually switched off the microphone during one graduation speech before the student could utter the word "Christ". Is the idea that Joe faked his sneeze in order not to utter the name of his God and incur the wrath of his school authorities (and possibly the American Civil Liberties Union)? It's not just the ACLU (of which I am a card-carrying member, although not much of an activist. (Like Oscar Wilde, I prefer to keep my evenings free.) America's separation of church & stare precludes prayer in public schools If that is the case, then God help America, although it is not immediately clear to me why He would bother. I disagree--I'm all for separating church & state & keeping proselytizing out of the public schools {***SPOILER******* America's separation of church & state means you can't invoke God at a graduatioin speech in the public schools. So Jose, the speaker, & some confederates in the audience planned that he would fake a sneeze & they would yell,"God Bless You." N.B. The only public school I attended was high school. I appreciated being guaranteed no religious indoctrination. | ||
| Woubit (Woubit)
Moderator Username: Woubit Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2007 |
Oh, the separation of church and state is a splendid notion, and I wish we had it in England to some extent. But there is such a thing as going too far. It seems to me bizarre that a graduate, on an important occasion for him personally, should be able publicly to thank his teachers, his parents, his cocaine dealer and so forth - but not his God. I don't say that he should be allowed to preach a sermon, but a simple acknowledgement is surely perfectly in order. Still, this is [part of] the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech[...] and even today, more than two hundred years after Jefferson first used the term "wall of separation" between church and state, no one has a clue what the First Amendment means. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 2413 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sorry, I'm all for telling the speaker to thank his God on his own time & not inflict his religion on the audience. And lots of people have much more than a clue about what the First Amendment means, although it is true that America does not apply the "wall of separation" consistently, even in the public schools. The Pledge of Allegience includes the words "under God" & it is legal to have an optional recitation of the pledge in the public schools, although it is illegal to require any student to recite the pledge. |
