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Antropofaga (Antropofaga)
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Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 2:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A certain company produces two items, although they only advertise for Product A. Product B costs them less than a penny to make each, it isn't really used for anything; in fact, every customer is allowed as many as they want for free. However, their stores of Product B are kept under just as tight security as Product A, and aren't allowed to be passed freely around the office for fear of theft. What are they producing?
Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
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Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 6:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ideas and patents?
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medicine? food item? office supply? something tangible?

Could B be considered a generic version of A?

would you eat/drink/wear--A and B?
Alex319 (Alex319)
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Is intellectual property relevant?
Is any form of secret relevant?

Is product A...

...illegal to own? sell? purchase?
...legally restricted in any way?
...dangerous?


Is product B...

...illegal to own? sell? purchase?
...legally restricted in any way?
...dangerous?
...a security access token of any kind? (ID card? hotel key?)

Do most customers know about the free offer of product B?
Do most customers take advantage of the free offer of product B?

If items of product B were stolen, would the company be harmed be significantly more than the cost of production of product B?

...Could customers be harmed?
...Would the company's reputation be damaged?
Antropofaga (Antropofaga)
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Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 6:37 pm:

Ideas and patents? Nope, interesting though.

Booklover (Booklover)
Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 7:56 pm:

medicine? food item? office supply? No to these. something tangible? Yes.

Could B be considered a generic version of A? Nope.

would you eat/drink/wear--A and B? No to all.

Alex319 (Alex319)
Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 2:27 am:

Is intellectual property relevant? No.
Is any form of secret relevant? Noish.

Is product A...

...illegal to own? sell? purchase?
...legally restricted in any way?
...dangerous? No to all.


Is product B...

...illegal to own? sell? purchase? No.
...legally restricted in any way? Yope.
...dangerous? No.
...a security access token of any kind? (ID card? hotel key?) No.

Do most customers know about the free offer of product B? Probably.
Do most customers take advantage of the free offer of product B? Yes.

If items of product B were stolen, would the company be harmed be significantly more than the cost of production of product B? Possibly, yes.

...Could customers be harmed? No.
...Would the company's reputation be damaged? Noish.

Good questions, all.
Enjay (Enjay)
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Is product B designed to promote the company? Like when companies give out pens wth the company name on?
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Is product B used in conjunction with product A? only with product A?

Is legal restriction on product B enforced by licensing? proof of age? professional affiliation?

Is product A a weapon? vehicle? machinery? tool?

"...Product B is kept under just as tight security as Product A, and is not allowed to be passed freely around the office for fear of theft." Fear of theft of product A? B? something else?
Alex319 (Alex319)
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Are all items of product B identical?

Does the company do something to product B before giving it to the customers?

Is product B a data storage device of any kind? (The term "data storage device" includes paper with information written on it) If so, does the company modify the data on it before giving it to the customer?

Would the company be willing to give out product B to someone who hasn't bought Product A?

If someone had somehow acquired Product B (say by stealing it) without buying Product A, would they no longer need Product A?

Is the company worried that...

...if people steal Product B, then they'll decide not to buy Product A?
...if people steal Product B, there won't be enough left over to give to the customers?
...competitors will get ahold of Product B?
...stealing Product B will help people steal Product A?
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Enjay (Enjay)
Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 4:30 pm:

Is product B designed to promote the company? Somewhat. Like when companies give out pens wth the company name on? Not this, though.

Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 12:45 am:

Is product B used in conjunction with product A? Yes. only with product A? Ideally, yes.

Is legal restriction on product B enforced by licensing? proof of age? professional affiliation? None, and I can see how that was
misleading. All I meant was, every effort is made to make sure they aren't stolen.

Is product A a weapon? vehicle? machinery? Yesish. tool? Depends on your definition of tool.

"...Product B is kept under just as tight security as Product A, and is not allowed to be passed freely around the office for fear of theft." Fear of theft of product A? B? This. something else?

Alex319 (Alex319)
Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 9:05 am:

Are all items of product B identical? Yes.

Does the company do something to product B before giving it to the customers? No.

Is product B a data storage device of any kind? (The term "data storage device" includes paper with information written on it) In that case, yes. If so, does the company modify the data on it before giving it to the customer? No.

Would the company be willing to give out product B to someone who hasn't bought Product A? No.

If someone had somehow acquired Product B (say by stealing it) without buying Product A, would they no longer need Product A? Yesish, good thought.

Is the company worried that...

...if people steal Product B, then they'll decide not to buy Product A? YES.
...if people steal Product B, there won't be enough left over to give to the customers? No.
...competitors will get ahold of Product B? No.
...stealing Product B will help people steal Product A? No, interesting thought though.
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Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 11:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not sure if this has been asked, but are B and A, liquids? solids? gases?
Alex319 (Alex319)
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Is the main reason people buy product A so that they can get access to product B?

Product B is a paper with information on it, correct? Is it...

...a contract?
...redeemable for something?
...used as proof that the holder bought Product A?
...electronically read? by Product A?

Would it be possible for a customer who bought product A and got the free product B's to resell the product B's to people who hadn't already bought product A?
...Would it be legal?
...Is it commonly done?
...If it happened, would the company potentially be harmed in the same way that they might be harmed if product B's were stolen?

Does product A cost...
...less than $1?
...$1-$5?
...$5-$20?
...$20-$100?
...$100-$500?
...$500-$2500?
...$2500-$10000?
...more than $10000?
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Is product B a licence to use product A?
Is there some sort of software involved?
Could product A easily be copied with the help of product B?
Antropofaga (Antropofaga)
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Booklover (Booklover)
Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 11:03 pm:

Not sure if this has been asked, It hasn't, oddly enough. but are B and A, liquids? solids? This. gases?

Alex319 (Alex319)
Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 5:30 am:

Is the main reason people buy product A so that they can get access to product B? Not usually.

Product B is a paper with information on it, correct? Is it... Not exactly.

...a contract?
...redeemable for something?
...used as proof that the holder bought Product A?
...electronically read? by Product A? None of these.

Would it be possible for a customer who bought product A and got the free product B's to resell the product B's to people who hadn't already bought product A? Yes.
...Would it be legal? Not sure.
...Is it commonly done? No.
...If it happened, would the company potentially be harmed in the same way that they might be harmed if product B's were stolen? Yes.

Does product A cost...
...less than $1?
...$1-$5?
...$5-$20?
...$20-$100? Google search says it's $99.
...$100-$500?
...$500-$2500?
...$2500-$10000?
...more than $10000?

Bentarm (Bentarm)
Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 12:37 pm:

Is product B a licence to use product A? No.
Is there some sort of software involved? Yes.
Could product A easily be copied with the help of product B? No.
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Is B something sticky? Does B contain a bar code? A combination of numbers? Is B normally attached to A when A is in use?
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Is product A a form of software? Is product B?

Is product A used to make product B?

Is the type of software relevant? If so, is the type of software...

...an operating system?
...a game?
...a word processor?
...a spreadsheet?
...a browser?

Is product A...
...something that helps you connect to the Internet?
...used primarily by businesses?
...used primarily by home users?
...used primarily for entertainment?
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Woodworm (Woodworm)
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Is B something sticky? Yes indeed. Does B contain a bar code? A combination of numbers? Is B normally attached to A when A is in use? No to rest.

Alex319 (Alex319)
Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 1:28 am:

Is product A a form of software? Yes, computerized machinery at least. Is product B? No.

Is product A used to make product B? Nope.

Is the type of software relevant? If so, is the type of software...

...an operating system?
...a game?
...a word processor?
...a spreadsheet?
...a browser? None of these.

Is product A...
...something that helps you connect to the Internet? No.
...used primarily by businesses? They often have a variety of it.
...used primarily by home users? Yes.
...used primarily for entertainment? No.
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so, A is software. is B, the registration code/ product code for the software? Those who need the software at work get a copy of the software (A) and the registration code/ product code (B) so they can use it at work. They are afraid that if they pass A along with B freely, these people could use them at home without buying the software. They are also afraid that people who do not work at the office might use the software at their homes without paying for the software (since they would have the registration codes/ product codes for the software)? Is this along the correct line?
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Is A an anti-virus software? Is B perhaps some sort of dated authentication sticker?
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Is the "computerized machinery" used for...

...security?
...food/drink preparation or storage?
...personal grooming?
...health and health care?

Does the use of product B affect the operation of product A?

Is the company worried that if people steal product B, then they'll be able to use a competitor's version of product A rather than their own?
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Is product B a sticky label that reads something like "Made with tools by ..." followed by the name of the company that produces A and B?
Is product A used to make something? modify something? apply another object or substance to something? validate ( QC ) something?
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Is there some kind of high-status thing associated with Product A? And does Product B advertise that someone is using Product A? So that if people could just get Product B, they would get the high status without having to actually buy Product A at all?

Another similar thought-do they make security systems? So if the customers could just get a sticker saying "This house is protected by X-Brand Security Systems", the burglar would be scared off and they wouldn't need to actually buy the system?
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Another similar thought-do they make security systems? So if the customers could just get a sticker saying "This house is protected by X-Brand Security Systems", the burglar would be scared off and they wouldn't need to actually buy the system? Yes. Awesome job.

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