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Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 6:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because Elodie's criminal plan failed, she got a new cat. How come?????
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Was she apprehended? convicted? sentenced?
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was her planned crime fraud? something vehicle related? robbery? was her plan to get money? or goods?
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Is there anything relevant about the cat? it's previous owners?

Anything relevant about Elodie? if so, education? background? medical conditions? job? hobbies? family?
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Was she apprehended?no convicted?no sentenced?no
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was her planned crime fraud? something vehicle related? robbery? was her plan to get money? or goods? none of those
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Is there anything relevant about the cat?no it's previous owners?

Anything relevant about Elodie?noif so, education? background? medical conditions? job? hobbies? family?
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do any crimes take place at all? 1? 2? 3? any vehicles involved? any other people relevant? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? if so are they a?h?m?
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The cat: a real, live, furry feline?
Was there an old cat?

Was Elodie's criminal action a one-time event or a habitual behavior?
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do any crimes take place at all?no 1? 2? 3? any vehicles involved? no any other people relevant? no 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? if so are they a?h?m?
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The cat: a real, live, furry feline?yes
Was there an old cat? irrel

Was Elodie's criminal action a one-time event or a habitual behavior?the former
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Did Elodie plan a crime? commit a crime? plan something that involves a crime? induce somebody to do a crime?
Relevant what crime?
Are more living beings besides Elodie and the cat involved in this story?
Is the prospective victim of the crime somehow involved?
Did she steal the cat? buy it? inherit it? find it? was it given to her? did she win the cat in a lottery? did the cat just come on her own?
Relevant why Elodia's plan failed? (was the plan bad? did the circumstances change? did someone find out about it? did Elodia change her mind and abandoned the plan?)
Were Elodia's criminal plans serious?
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is it a house cat?
was the cat a part of the plan?
did acquiring a cat give Elodie some kind of resolution which was similar to the resolution of the failed plan?
Does getting a cat have anything to do with a mouse/mice? other cat-prey?
does Elodie like cats?
any other relevant pets?
is there a pet store in the puzzle?
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Did Elodie plan a crime? yes commit a crime? possiblyplan something that involves a crime? see previous answer but oneinduce somebody to do a crime? no
Relevant what crime? yes
Are more living beings besides Elodie and the cat involved in this story? yes
Is the prospective victim of the crime somehow involved? yes
Did she steal the cat? no buy it? no inherit it? no find it?no was it given to her? no did she win the cat in a lottery? no did the cat just come on her own? no
Relevant why Elodia's plan failed? yes(was the plan bad? did the circumstances change? yesish did someone find out about it? did Elodia change her mind and abandoned the plan?) no
Were Elodia's criminal plans serious? yes
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is it a house cat? yes
was the cat a part of the plan? yope
did acquiring a cat give Elodie some kind of resolution which was similar to the resolution of the failed plan? no
Does getting a cat have anything to do with a mouse/mice?no other cat-prey? no
does Elodie like cats? yes
any other relevant pets? no
is there a pet store in the puzzle? no
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is the victim possibly allergic to cats? if so, is this person severely allergic?

does the victim live with Elodie? is the victim related to Elodie? friends with Elodie? had the victim wronged Elodie? was Elodie getting the victim back for something?

was Elodie planning on using the cat as part of her crime? inside the house? somewhere else?
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Did Elodie buy the cat?
If the plan had worked, would she have: not had the money to buy a new cat? Not been in a position to look after a cat?
If the plan had worked, would she have made money? harmed anyone?
Is the victim's relationship to Elodie relevant? family? friend? business relationship? stranger? has she ever met the victim?
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is the victim possibly allergic to cats? noif so, is this person severely allergic?

does the victim live with Elodie? no is the victim related to Elodie? no friends with Elodie?no had the victim wronged Elodie? irrelwas Elodie getting the victim back for something? ditto

was Elodie planning on using the cat as part of her crime? noinside the house? somewhere else?
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Did Elodie buy the cat? irrel
If the plan had worked, would she have: not had the money to buy a new cat? noNot been in a position to look after a cat? no
If the plan had worked, would she have made money? no harmed anyone? yes
Is the victim's relationship to Elodie relevant? some relationships are precludedfamily? nofriend? no business relationship? possiblystranger?no has she ever met the victim? yes
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Elodie wanted to harm someone?
one single person?
physically? emotionally? financially?
kill?

Does or did the prospective victim have a cat? rel. pet?
has the the prospective victim ever had an encounter with Elodies cat?

victim: H A M?

How would Elodie have benefitted from the crime..
gaining something? something in her life would become easier? she would "even the score"?
was she just carrying out orders?
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Elodie wanted to harm someone? yes
one single person? yes
physically? yes emotionally? financially? no
kill? yes

Does or did the prospective victim have a cat? irrelrel. pet? no
has the the prospective victim ever had an encounter with Elodies cat? no

victim: H A M? human? yes. Adult? irrel. male? irrel.

How would Elodie have benefitted from the crime..
gaining something? irrel something in her life would become easier? ditto she would "even the score"? ditto
was she just carrying out orders? no
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Elodie was planning to kill by:
poisoning?
bludgeoning?
strangulation?
drowning?
electrocution?
gassing?
asphyxiation?
an explosion?
causing an accident?
Causing another person? or object? to kill?
an action that would make the victim kill himself?
weaponry?
something painful?
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Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 11:40 pm:

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Elodie was planning to kill by:
poisoning? possibly
bludgeoning? ditto
strangulation? ditto
drowning? no
electrocution? unlikely
gassing? unlikely
asphyxiation? possibly
an explosion?no
causing an accident? no
Causing another person? no or object? opossibly to kill?
an action that would make the victim kill himself? no
weaponry? unlikely
something painful? irrel
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was there a specific method of killing in her plan?
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Is emily's motive for the crime relevant?
Does Emily already have a cat? Any other pets?
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was there a specific method of killing in her plan? Not really, but some methods are precluded
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Is emily's motive for the crime relevant? No, but it's Elodie. I would never use an ordinary name like Emily!!
Does Emily already have a cat? irrel Any other pets? ditto
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I actually know more people called Elodie that people called Emily... but I suppose that's because I lived in France for a year.

Is it true to say that if the plan had succeeded, she would not have got a new cat? Would she have got an old cat? a dog? no pet at all?
Did she get the new cat from the person she planned to kill?
Did she actually try to kill the person and fail? Have to abort the plan for some reason? Because the person died in the meantime? Because she decided she didn't want them dead?
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By Bentarm (Bentarm) on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 2:40 pm: Edit Post
I actually know more people called Elodie that people called Emily... but I suppose that's because I lived in France for a year.

Is it true to say that if the plan had succeeded, she would not have got a new cat?yes Would she have got an old cat?no a dog? no no pet at all?yes
Did she get the new cat from the person she planned to kill? no
Did she actually try to kill the person and fail? see next answer Have to abort the plan for some reason? yesBecause the person died in the meantime? no Because she decided she didn't want them dead? no
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does her "criminal plan" refer only to killing or is there more?
an alibi?
disposal of the body?
would someone aid her in the killing? the aftermath?
other than possession of a cat, would Elodie's life be any different if the victim were not in the world?
other than possession of a cat, would her life be any different if the plan had gone through?
is there anything to do with authorities? police? friends? relatives? colleagues of the victim?
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does her "criminal plan" refer only to killing yesish|or is there more? noish
an alibi? no
disposal of the body? no
would someone aid her in the killing? no the aftermath? no
other than possession of a cat, would Elodie's life be any different if the victim were not in the world? presumably E. thinks so or she would have no motive for the murder!
other than possession of a cat, would her life be any different if the plan had gone through?see above
is there anything to do with authorities? nopolice? no friends? no relatives? no colleagues of the victim? no
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HINT: FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE INTENDED VICTIM.
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the intended victim is a human of irrelevant age and irrelevant gender who has met Elodie before and has a possible business relationship with her.
explore how the i.v. knows Elodie?
is the i.v.'s occupation relevant?

If her plan had succeeded is it relevant what pet she would have gotten?

did Elodie carry out any part of her plan whatsoever?

did she have to abort her plans to kill because something changed which would lead to her arrest?
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Was the intended victim a pet store owner?
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the intended victim is a human of irrelevant age and irrelevant gender who has met Elodie before and has a possible business relationship with her.
explore how the i.v. knows Elodie? no
is the i.v.'s occupation relevant? no

If her plan had succeeded is it relevant what pet she would have gotten? yope

did Elodie carry out any part of her plan whatsoever? no

did she have to abort her plans to kill because something changed which would lead to her arrest? no
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Was the intended victim a pet store owner? irrel
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Is the intended victim afraid of mice?
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Is the intended victim afraid of mice?irrel
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if her plan had succeeded would the cat be dead? lost? given away? sold? injured? put down?
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if her plan had succeeded would the cat be dead? lost? given away? sold? injured? put down? all are irrel
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Did Elosie save the cat from harm?

Is the 'new cat' in the question the only cat involved in the story?

Did a cat cause the plan to be aborted?

Was Elosie wanting to kill this specific individual (the intended victim)?
Or would anyone in the same place at the same time have done just as well?

Was the death of the intended victim the only crime Eloise attempted to commit?


Also, please clarify for me:
Post #8: You said
do any crimes take place at all? no
Post #11: You said
Did Elodie commit a crime? possibly

They seem contradictory to me, but are these answers both correct?
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:48 pm:

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Did Elosie save the cat from harm? irrel

Is the 'new cat' in the question the only cat involved in the story? yes

Did a cat cause the plan to be aborted?no

Was Elosie wanting to kill this specific individual (the intended victim)? yes
Or would anyone in the same place at the same time have done just as well? no

Was the death of the intended victim the only crime Eloise attempted to commit? yes


Also, please clarify for me:
Post #8: You said
do any crimes take place at all? no
Post #11: You said
Did Elodie commit a crime? possibly

They seem contradictory to me, but are these answers both correct? No. The latter is a BLOOOOOOOOOOPERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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other than the fact that Elodie bought a cat after her plan failed, is the cat relevant? if so, is it relevant because of Elodie's past or because of something she wanted to do in the future?

did she want a cat because they are mostly standoffish? because they are relatively easy to take care of? I know that cat's have a terrible smell to their urine--one that you can't usually get rid of--did she possibly want this smell to cover up the smell of something else? a future murder, perhaps?

was she planning on committing another crime?
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other than the fact that Elodie bought a cat after her plan failed, is the cat relevant? yes if so, is it relevant because of Elodie's past or because of something she wanted to do in the future? neither, really--it's relevant specifically to her murder plan

did she want a cat because they are mostly standoffish? no & THEY AREN'T !!!!because they are relatively easy to take care of? noI know that cat's have a terrible smell to their urine--one that you can't usually get rid of--did she possibly want this smell to cover up the smell of something else? noa future murder, perhaps? no

was she planning on committing another crime? no
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Did ownership of the cat improve Elosie's situation in some way? ...
In a way that made it easier for Elosie to deal with her non-dead intended victim?

( Eg The intended victim kept coming to visit Elosie and bore her with stories of his children's schoolwork, so Elosie tried to kill him... but, during the murder attempt, she discovered that her victim hated cats, so later solved her problem by getting a cat to prevent him wanting to come round in future... :-D )


Did Elosie still want to kill the intended victim after she had failed the first time and acquired the cat?
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Did ownership of the cat improve Elosie's situation in some way? ...yesish
In a way that made it easier for Elosie to deal with her non-dead intended victim? yesish

( Eg The intended victim kept coming to visit Elosie and bore her with stories of his children's schoolwork, so Elosie tried to kill him... but, during the murder attempt, she discovered that her victim hated cats, so later solved her problem by getting a cat to prevent him wanting to come round in future... :-D ) nooooooo


Did Elosie still want to kill the intended victim after she had failed the first time and acquired the cat?possibly
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Elosie acquired the cat on purpose?

The intended victim had obviously wronged Elosie in some way...
Did the intended victim intend to wrong Elosie?
Did the intended victim know that they had wronged Elosie?
Did the intended victim do anything illegal towards Elosie?
Did the intended victim know that Elosie had later got a cat?
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did the intended victim like cats?

did Elodie think that having the cat would help her and the intended victim get along better? have something to talk about?
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Elosie acquired the cat on purpose? yes

The intended victim had obviously wronged Elosie in some way... No
Did the intended victim intend to wrong Elosie?no
Did the intended victim know that they had wronged Elosie? no
Did the intended victim do anything illegal towards Elosie? no
Did the intended victim know that Elosie had later got a cat? no
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did the intended victim like cats? yes

did Elodie think that having the cat would help her and the intended victim get along better? yesish have something to talk about? yesish
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Did she plan to acquire a cat? before she started planning the murder? before the plan had failed? after it failed?
Did she acquire a cat before she started planning the murder? before the plan had failed? after it failed?
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Did she plan to acquire a cat? see next answers before she started planning the murder? yope before the plan had failed? yope after it failed? yes
Did she acquire a cat before she started planning the murder? nobefore the plan had failed? no after it failed? no
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BLOOOOPERRRALERTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!Did she plan to acquire a cat? see next answers before she started planning the murder? yope before the plan had failed? yope after it failed? yes
Did she acquire a cat before she started planning the murder? nobefore the plan had failed? no after it failed? no The answer to the last question should be yes
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It sounds like she was thinking about getting a cat before she started to plan a murder, but finally decided and got one only after the attempt failed. Right?
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Does the intended victim realise that Elodie wanted to kill them?

If so, is the intended victim threatening some sort of legal action against Elodie?
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Is Elodie Human at all in the first place?
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It sounds like she was thinking about getting a cat before she started to plan a murder yope, but finally decided and got one only after the attempt failed. yesRight?
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Does the intended victim realise that Elodie wanted to kill them? no

If so, is the intended victim threatening some sort of legal action against Elodie?
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Is Elodie Human at all in the first place? yes
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the intended victim (Pun perhaps? its a gender neutral name in Thailand) and Elodie know each other -
A little?
A lot?
are they neighbours?
do they live in the same building?
work in the same building?
Is there some issue do to close proximity between the two of them that the cat will negate?

Pun was at all times unaware of a murder plan?
does Pun know why Elodie got the cat?
Was Pun ever aware of Elodie's motive, whatever it might be?
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the intended victim (Pun perhaps? its a gender neutral name in Thailand) and Elodie know each other -
A little? possibly
A lot? possibly
are they neighbours? possibly
do they live in the same building? possibly
work in the same building? possibly
Is there some issue do to close proximity between the two of them that the cat will negate? no

Pun was at all times unaware of a murder plan? yes
does Pun know why Elodie got the cat? no
Was Pun ever aware of Elodie's motive, whatever it might be? irrel, as long as he didn't know it was a motive for murder--e.g., if the motive was envy, he could have been aware that she envied him but not that she wanted to kill him
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HINT: You still haven't found out the crucial thing about Pun
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is the crucial thing
a physical characteristic?
a psychological characteristic?
something Pun does?
something Pun has?
something Pun owns?
something Pun is?
something Elodie wants?
something Elodie hates?
something Elodie is upset by?
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is the crucial thing
a physical characteristic? no
a psychological characteristic? yes
something Pun does? yesish
something Pun has? yesish
something Pun owns? no
something Pun is? yesish
something Elodie wants? no
something Elodie hates? no
something Elodie is upset by? no
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does Pun have some sort of mental health issue?
a psychological condition?
an irrational phobia?
a learning disability?
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does Pun have some sort of mental health issue? no
a psychological condition? well, a psychological chasractersitic, but not even the mostr narrow-minded psychiatrist would call it pathological
an irrational phobia? no
a learning disability? no
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is it evident in his behavior?
obvious when casually speaking to him?
noticable to the average person?
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is it evident in his behavior? sometimes
obvious when casually speaking to him? Depends on what the conversation is about
noticable to the average person? sometimes yes, sometimes no
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could you easily sum up Pun's psychological charactersistic by walking around his residence? looking at things he owns?
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Haha, is Pun superstitious about cats at all? (I doubt it, but...)
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does Pun have a cat/pet allergy/phobia...would exposing Pun to the cat kill him off?
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could you easily sum up Pun's psychological charactersistic by walking around his residence? possibly but not necessarily looking at things he owns? ditto
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Haha, is Pun superstitious about cats at all? no (I doubt it, but...)
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does Pun have a cat/pet allergy/phobia...would exposing Pun to the cat kill him off? no
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is this psychological trait -
relevant to Elodie's motive?
the root for Elodie's motive?
the entirety of Elodie's motive?

you could notice the trait if conversing with Pun, depending on the topic of conversation...
are relevant topics worth exploring in order to help identify the trait?

if so, are any of these topics significant?
animals?
nature?
politics?
finance/business?
gossip?
sports?
national security?
terrorism?
superstitions?
Religion/beliefs?
culture/cultural differences?
science?
other?

not sure if it's been asked or not, but is there anything at all relevant in the accoutrements that might (or compulsarily) accompany the purchase of a cat? eg catflaps in doors, kitty litter, bell on the cats collar?
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does Pun's characteristic involve other people?
objects?
use of his body?
voice?
does it affect his decision making?
would you call it a personality trait?
habit? addiction?
is he a something-phile?
something-phobe?
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is this psychological trait -
relevant to Elodie's motive? no
the root for Elodie's motive? no
the entirety of Elodie's motive? no

you could notice the trait if conversing with Pun, depending on the topic of conversation...
are relevant topics worth exploring in order to help identify the trait? yes!!!

if so, are any of these topics significant?
animals? yes
nature? no
politics? no
finance/business? no
gossip? no
sports? no
national security? no
terrorism? no
superstitions? no
Religion/beliefs? no
culture/cultural differences? no
science? no
other? no

not sure if it's been asked or not, but is there anything at all relevant in the accoutrements that might (or compulsarily) accompany the purchase of a cat? eg catflaps in doors, kitty litter, bell on the cats collar? no
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does Pun's characteristic involve other people? no
objects? well, animals--see above
use of his body? yope
voice? no
does it affect his decision making? sometimes
would you call it a personality trait? yes

habit? yesish or yope addiction? I don't call anything an addiction unless physiological withdralw symptoms could resllt. But even people who believe in "psychological addictions" would not call this one
is he a something-phile? yes
something-phobe? no
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was pun a cat phile (if this is the correct term)? was he obsessed with cats? did he have a lot of cats? did he have an inordinate amount of cat "memorabilia"--artwork, books, trinkets--that sort of thing?

did it bother Elodie how much Pun liked cats? did Pun talk to Elodie too much about cats?
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is he a feliphile? does he get cats and felafels mixed up? sorry, its late, : p

does the trait only involve cats?
only domestic cats?
other felines?
other mammals?
other animals?
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was pun a cat phile (if this is the correct term)?yes--loke all reasonable people was he obsessed with cats?an obsession is a strong interest someone disapproves of--that's from one of my short stories did he have a lot of cats? possibly did he have an inordinate amount of cat "memorabilia"--artwork, books, trinkets--that sort of thing? maybe he had a lot--how could any amount be "inordinate"?

did it bother Elodie how much Pun liked cats? no did Pun talk to Elodie too much about cats? no
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is he a feliphile?yes does he get cats and felafels mixed up? eeek--I don't have to answer THAT, do I???sorry, its late, : p

does the trait only involve cats? yes
only domestic cats? yes
other felines? no
other mammals? no
other animals?no
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Did Elodie plan to use a cat to bait the victim?
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Did Elodie plan to use a cat to bait the victim? yes. This is close enough for me to declare a
**SPOILER***********
Elodie wanted to kill Pun & was planning to do it at her own house. (Perhaps, like someone in an earlier puzzle of mine, she was a potter who haf a kiln for handy disposal of the body! So she told the cat-loving Pun that she had just gotten a cat & invited him to come & see it. When he declined, she had to get a cat as cover. Thanks for sticking with it, everyone, & please check out my new puzzle at the bottom of the page

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