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Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, it's been quite a while I've posted anything here...and I can't promise that I'll now be online more often. But still, this one was just too good to pass up...




Title: Paving Paradise

Difficulty: Easy

Type: Based on true story

Story:
Despite taking pre-cautions, it happened again, much to his consternation.

To Solve:
Discover the story behind this scenario.

Specialized Knowledge needed:
None needed.

Good luck!
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 2:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Joni Mitchell relevant? Big yellow taxis? Just big? Yellow? Taxi?
Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 2:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

title relevant?
human? adult? male?
Did he take the precautions?
is what happened..
job related?
on a personal level?
family related?
political?
global?
environmental?
health related?
financial?
recreational?

has it happened once before? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? times? more? too many to count?
is it some kind of failure?
if so is it someone else's success?
is it a loss?
if so is it someone else's gain?
are there other relevant people?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 2:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mosquito

Joni Mitchell relevant? Not really, but she is not entirely irrelevant Big yellow taxis? Just big? Yellow? Taxi? No to the rest, but congratulations on getting the reference.

Sixtyeight

title relevant? As with all my puzzles, the title has some degree of relevancy to the puzzle at hand. The exact degree of relevancy, though, is left as an exercise to the readers.
human? adult? male? If you are referring to the "his" in the puzzle statement, then yes to all three. Not terribly relevant, though.
Did he take the precautions? Again, assuming that you're referring to the "his" in the puzzle statement, no
is what happened..
job related?
on a personal level?
family related?
political?
global?
environmental?
health related?
financial?
recreational? This one

has it happened once before? Yes 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? times? more? too many to count? The important thing here is that "it" happened at least once before.
is it some kind of failure? Yes, for svv of "failure".
if so is it someone else's success? But not this.
is it a loss? No
if so is it someone else's gain? No
are there other relevant people? Yes, and to save you from invoking the LTPF list of positive integers, there is one more directly relevant person, and a small group (say, 10) of peripherally relevant people.
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 4:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the unusual grammatical form of the statement relevant? (In other words, if you had meant despite his/her/their having taken precautions, it happened..., that's what you would have said?)

Does the recreational activity involve sports? Games? Socialising? Reading? Music? Dancing? Drinking? Drugs? Crafts? A hobby? Animals?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 4:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mosquito

Is the unusual grammatical form of the statement relevant? (In other words, if you had meant despite his/her/their having taken precautions, it happened..., that's what you would have said?) No, but having said that, the puzzle statement could have easily read: "Despite his having taken precautions..."

Does the recreational activity involve sports? Games? Definitely a bit of this, for svv of "Games". Socialising? And definitely a bit of this too. Reading? Music? Dancing? Drinking? They could have done this as well, but I don't think they did. Drugs? Crafts? A hobby? Animals? No to the rest.
Booklover (Booklover)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 6:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he in a car? was he driving?
did he run into a road block? detour? maybe because of roads that were being paved?

was something being paved?

was he on his way to somewhere? or was he at his destination?

was he indoors or outdoors? if indoors, was he at a house? apartment? restaurant? other public place?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 11:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Booklover

was he in a car? No, but... was he driving? No
did he run into a road block? No detour? No maybe because of roads that were being paved? No

was something being paved? No

was he on his way to somewhere? Yope or was he at his destination? Yope...I know my answers to your past two questions may be a bit confusing, but that's because there's some crucial information still missing...

was he indoors or outdoors? Outdoors if indoors, was he at a house? apartment? restaurant? other public place? No to the rest.
Alex319 (Alex319)
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 5:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So you said that "he" didn't take the precautions, but "Despite his having taken precautions, it happened again, much to his consternation" would be a valid form of the puzzle statement. Does that mean that in the second sentence, the two "his" refer to different people?

Was he on vacation? Was he a tourist?
Was he the victim of a crime?

Was he in any sort of vehicle? Bike? ATV? Boat? Train? Airplane? Submarine?

Did he...
...get physically injured?
...lose money?
...lose a competition?
...become inconvenienced?
...get lost?
...end up in a dangerous situation?
...get in a confrontation with others?
Rabrab (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 6:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

SVV of "Games", hmmm?
Games as in gambling?
as in amusements?
as in sporting events?
as in "Ignore it, he's playing mind games with you."?
as in "Don't you play word games with me, young woman!"
Bentarm (Bentarm)
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 11:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there any parking lots relevant?
Was he in a parking lot? Did somebody build a parking lot?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 6:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Alex319

So you said that "he" didn't take the precautions, but "Despite his having taken precautions, it happened again, much to his consternation" would be a valid form of the puzzle statement. Does that mean that in the second sentence, the two "his" refer to different people? Yes

Was he on vacation? Was he a tourist?
Was he the victim of a crime? No to all

Was he in any sort of vehicle? Bike? ATV? Boat? Train? Airplane? Submarine? No to all

Did he...
...get physically injured?
...lose money?
...lose a competition?
...become inconvenienced? This is the closest
...get lost?
...end up in a dangerous situation?
...get in a confrontation with others?

Rabrab

Greetings, Barbara. Long time no see -- er -- read!

SVV of "Games", hmmm? Yes
Games as in gambling?
as in amusements? This is closest
as in sporting events?
as in "Ignore it, he's playing mind games with you."?
as in "Don't you play word games with me, young woman!"

Bentarm

And greetings to you too, young Bentarm. Long time no read!

Are there any parking lots relevant? YES -- and a bonus point for you for fully realizing the significance of the title. :D
Was he in a parking lot? YES Did somebody build a parking lot? No
Booklover (Booklover)
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 7:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he lose his car? forget where he parked his car?
is a car involved in this puzzle?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 9:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Booklover

did he lose his car? In a manner of speaking, because... forget where he parked his car? ...of this. Yes, the poor guy forgot where he parked his car.
is a car involved in this puzzle? So yes to this as well.
Rabrab (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 10:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the size of the parking lot relevant? if so, was it
a tiny one (less than one city block in area)?
a small one (about one to three city blocks)?
a medium-sized one (about three to ten city blocks)?
a big one (like at a mall -- ten to 100 city blocks)?
a huge one (like at a sports stadium -- 100 to 400 city blocks)?
a great enormous one (like at an international airport -- over 400 city blocks)?

Was it a parking tower or multi-level parking ramp?

The precautions that He(1) didn't take: writing down the coordinates of the parking space? ("Lot B, Row G, ten cars down from the shuttle shelter"?

Was it He(1)'s car? He(2)'s?
Was it He(1) who was unable to find the car? He(2)?
Was the consternation simply that He(2) couldn't find the car? or was it about something that happened because the car couldn't be found (a missed appointment, a delay, an added expense?)
Rabrab (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, yeah, is Las Vegas relevant?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 12:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rabrab

Is the size of the parking lot relevant? if so, was it
a tiny one (less than one city block in area)?
a small one (about one to three city blocks)?
a medium-sized one (about three to ten city blocks)?
a big one (like at a mall -- ten to 100 city blocks)?
a huge one (like at a sports stadium -- 100 to 400 city blocks)?
a great enormous one (like at an international airport -- over 400 city blocks)? Let's put it this way: it took them collectively HALF AN HOUR to locate their car in the parking lot! So, yeah...it's big. :D

Was it a parking tower or multi-level parking ramp? Neither

The precautions that He(1) didn't take: writing down the coordinates of the parking space? ("Lot B, Row G, ten cars down from the shuttle shelter"? FA...re-read the puzzle statement again. He(1) DID take precautions. But despite taking precautions, it happened again.

Was it He(1)'s car? He(2)'s? This one
Was it He(1) who was unable to find the car? He(2)? Both!
Was the consternation simply that He(2) couldn't find the car? This one or was it about something that happened because the car couldn't be found (a missed appointment, a delay, an added expense?)

Rabrab, again

Oh, yeah, is Las Vegas relevant? No...the real life events on which this puzzle is based occurred in the Greater Toronto Area in Canada.
Booklover (Booklover)
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 1:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he try to take the precaution by trying to remember a number/lot/row/etc and simply forget what it was?

did anyone move the car as a joke?
Bentarm (Bentarm)
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were there other cars similar to his in the area?
Did he stick a big red flag on his car, so he couldn't miss it, but everyone else had the same idea?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 2:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Booklover

did he try to take the precaution by trying to remember a number/lot/row/etc and simply forget what it was? Yes, but there's much more to the story than that.

did anyone move the car as a joke? No, but good thinking.

Bentarm

Were there other cars similar to his in the area? Irrelevant
Did he stick a big red flag on his car, so he couldn't miss it, but everyone else had the same idea? No
Bentarm (Bentarm)
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 4:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the numbering of the spaces unusual?
Was his space marked with a number? a letter? a combination of the two?
Did he remember the correct number/letter/combination?
Did anyone alter the numbering/lettering on the spaces?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 7:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bentarm

Was the numbering of the spaces unusual?
Was his space marked with a number? a letter? a combination of the two?
Did he remember the correct number/letter/combination?
Did anyone alter the numbering/lettering on the spaces? No to all of these.

I should pause to add here that there's a rather large part of this story that's been missed so far, primarily because some of the standard questions that are usually asked haven't been asked, or haven't been followed up upon. This is the lateral thinking puzzles forum after all, so there will be nothing as prosaic as someone simply forgetting about where he parked his car. =)
Rabrab (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 8:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

<sigh> back to the SBQ's then...

the relevant people:

The guy mentioned in the puzzle statement: He's the one that I've been calling He(2); the car belongs to him, but he's not the one who took precautions. He is the one who was consternated. He(2), I now christen thee Corrigan.

The other guy who was with Corrigan, and who tried to take precautions to avoid losing the car. He's the one I have been calling He(1); he is not mentioned in the puzzle statement as it was written. He's jealous because Corrigan got a name instead of a number, and he wants a name too, so I'll name him ...Gordon.

The 8-10 peripherally relevant people:
all humans, I presume?
all adults as well? relevant?
Other people who had parked their cars in the same lot?
People who Corrigan and Gordon were meeting for some reason?
was it a single group of 8-10 other people, or several smaller groups, totalling 8-10?
Do all of these people know each other? are they related? co-workers? friends? classmates? business associates?

Do we need to determine what the parking lot belonged to? If so,
a mall?
a sports complex?
an amusement park?
a school (university? college?)
a concert venue?
a movie theatre complex?

Was a part of the problem they had finding their car that they came out a different door than they went in?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

<sigh> back to the SBQ's then... Now, now...surely, it's not that bad, is it? ;)

the relevant people:

The guy mentioned in the puzzle statement: He's the one that I've been calling He(2); the car belongs to him, but he's not the one who took precautions. He is the one who was consternated. He(2), I now christen thee Corrigan.

The other guy who was with Corrigan, and who tried to take precautions to avoid losing the car. He's the one I have been calling He(1); he is not mentioned in the puzzle statement as it was written. He's jealous because Corrigan got a name instead of a number, and he wants a name too, so I'll name him ...Gordon.

Very well, Corrigan and Gordon it is!

The 8-10 peripherally relevant people:
all humans, I presume? Yes
all adults as well? Yes relevant? Not really...this puzzle would work as long as no one involved is a little kid.
Other people who had parked their cars in the same lot? No
People who Corrigan and Gordon were meeting for some reason? Yes
was it a single group of 8-10 other people, or several smaller groups, totalling 8-10? In the course of the "meeting", this group of 8-10 people did in reality split into smaller groups, and then form back to the big group again. This fact is not terribly relevant, though: even if they had remained one large group for the duration, this puzzle would work.
Do all of these people know each other? Yes are they related? co-workers? friends? This one classmates? business associates?

Do we need to determine what the parking lot belonged to? No, but... If so,
a mall?
a sports complex?
an amusement park? It was this one. Google up Canada's Wonderland if you want more details on the amusement park itself.
a school (university? college?)
a concert venue?
a movie theatre complex?

Was a part of the problem they had finding their car that they came out a different door than they went in? No
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 4:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


quote:

The guy mentioned in the puzzle statement: He's the one that I've been calling He(2); the car belongs to him, but he's not the one who took precautions. He is the one who was consternated. He(2), I now christen thee Corrigan.




Actually, I just noticed this statement is not strictly speaking, true. Since it's a very minor part of the puzzle, I'll clarify this point.

Gary was the one who came up with the idea of the precaution. Gordan, however, was the one who actually put the idea to action.
Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 4:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haha, did they park in the same row? have similar cars? I remember a true story about 2 men, same name, same car, AND THE KEYS WORKED IN EITHER CAR!!! Their last name was also the same, and it was April fool's day at the time. Talk about coincidences!
Rabrab (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 4:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No, it's not really that bad, but when I'm doing the SBQ's I always seem to forget one, and it's usually the most important one, to boot. <good-natured>

Who's Gary? one of the 8-10 other friends? Or did you mean Corrigan, there?

I just looked at the Google maps Hybrid map of Canada's Wonderland. Moses in a mousetrap, that parking lot is muckin' yoooge!

Just to check, did Gordon and Coorigan both go to the amusement park in Corrigan's car? or did they each have their own cars there?

The precautions that Gordon took against losing the car:
did he write down the location in the lot on something? if yes, on his body? on a piece of paper? on an article of clothing?
did he attempt to mark the car in some way? Hang or place something in a window? on the roof? on the radio antenna?
did he attempt to memorize the location by visual means? (We're on a line with -that- building for the row, and -that other - building for the aisle?

Would a reasonable person expect Gordon's precaution to work, given the size of the lot?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 7:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Crazypalpig

Haha, did they park in the same row? have similar cars? I remember a true story about 2 men, same name, same car, AND THE KEYS WORKED IN EITHER CAR!!! Their last name was also the same, and it was April fool's day at the time. Talk about coincidences! Sorry, but nothing like this.

Rabrab

No, it's not really that bad, but when I'm doing the SBQ's I always seem to forget one, and it's usually the most important one, to boot. <good-natured> Funny, I seem to have the same problem! Must be contagious somehow. :D

Who's Gary? one of the 8-10 other friends? Or did you mean Corrigan, there? Oops...yes, I meant Corrigan. Gary, as you may have surmised from my mistake, is Corrigan's real name. :/

I just looked at the Google maps Hybrid map of Canada's Wonderland. Moses in a mousetrap, that parking lot is muckin' yoooge! That it is. Corrigan considered himself very lucky to have only taken half hour to locate his car.

Just to check, did Gordon and Coorigan both go to the amusement park in Corrigan's car? YES -- good question! or did they each have their own cars there? There is another car involved, but that is irrelevant. The people in the other car had no trouble locating it when the time came.

The precautions that Gordon took against losing the car:
did he write down the location in the lot on something? if yes, on his body? on a piece of paper? on an article of clothing?
did he attempt to mark the car in some way? Hang or place something in a window? on the roof? on the radio antenna?
did he attempt to memorize the location by visual means? (We're on a line with -that- building for the row, and -that other - building for the aisle? None of these, though "visual means" is the closest -- and it's not really that close at all.

Would a reasonable person expect Gordon's precaution to work, given the size of the lot? Yes. And it would have worked too, except...but that'd be giving away the puzzle. :P
Alex319 (Alex319)
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 1:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The precautions he tried to take...

...did he use an electronic device? GPS? A cell phone? A remote car door opener? A device specifically designed for the purpose of locating parked cars?

...did he use sound to locate his car? like having something that generates sound in the car, and trying to listen for the source of the sound? a car alarm?

...was the plan to locate the car through a visual image? like closed-circuit TV? a security camera? a news report? did he take a picture of the parking spot?

...did it rely on another person? was that person not available when the time came? did the other person just not want to cooperate?

Were the other 8-10 people just people that they were going to the amusement park with? Were they part of the plan to locate the car? Were they the cause of the plan's failure?

Was the car moved at any time between when they parked it and when they tried to look for it? Was it stolen?
Rabrab (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 1:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ooooookay. It's an amusement park, so it's a reasonable assumption that most people who go there plan to spend most of the day. Did he attempt to memorize the route from their car to the entrance by what cars were in the corner spots? ("We're going to walk to the main lane, turn left at the red Prius, then go until we're even with the main entrance and turn left at the white Ford minivan with the UT and BlueJays bumper stickers.")
Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 6:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Where there any area / row / aisle markers on the parking lot? numbers? colors? characters? "locales"? Is this a multi-level parking lot?

The puzzle would not work with a little kid because of something a child would be able to remember? to see? to do?
Was there a kid in the other car?

"It happened again": had it happen before with the same two people? same car? on the same parking lot? had they ( or one of them ) taken the same precautions?
Zenith (Zenith)
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 12:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Electronic locks/alarms relevent? (was the car's indicator lights up high, so all they had to do was press the button on their keys and look for the lights? And at the cosmic jokers mercy, more than one car at this parking lock had the same code?)

If they had a kid with them, could they have been at the amusement park?
Would a child have required more responsibility among their fellows?

Or if they had a child along with them, Gordan's idea would have worked?
If so:
They'd've needed a bigger/different car?
The kid would've remembered the icecream kiosk within sight of the car and demanded one on the way back?
They would've exited from a different direction?

Did Gordan's idea failing to work still made locating thier car easier (albeit slightly), no more difficult than before, or in fact a more complicated procedure?

Was their times of arrival/departure relevant?
(eg. at night, they parked next to the light post with the flickering light, and then there is a blackout.)

Is one of those cars that look to be different colours from different angles relevent?

Are there shuttle facilities at this carpark? Is a shuttle bus' route relevent?

Or the fact that it did end up taking them half an hour to find their vehicle relevent?
Were they detained in any way?
Was the procedure actually necessary?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 4:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Alex319

The precautions he tried to take...

...did he use an electronic device? YES -- good question! GPS? A cell phone? YES A remote car door opener? A device specifically designed for the purpose of locating parked cars? No to the rest.

...did he use sound to locate his car? like having something that generates sound in the car, and trying to listen for the source of the sound? a car alarm? No to all

...was the plan to locate the car through a visual image? Yes like closed-circuit TV? No a security camera? No a news report? No did he take a picture of the parking spot? Yes

...did it rely on another person? Well, Corrigan was the one who came up with the idea, but he told Gordon to do it. So in that sense, he relied on Gordon to actually implement his precaution. was that person not available when the time came? Yes did the other person just not want to cooperate? Gordon did co-operate and did genuinely want to help out.

Were the other 8-10 people just people that they were going to the amusement park with? Yes Were they part of the plan to locate the car? No Were they the cause of the plan's failure? No...though once it failed, they of course tried to help Corrigan to locate his car!

Was the car moved at any time between when they parked it and when they tried to look for it? No Was it stolen? No

Rabrab

Ooooookay. It's an amusement park, so it's a reasonable assumption that most people who go there plan to spend most of the day. Did he attempt to memorize the route from their car to the entrance by what cars were in the corner spots? ("We're going to walk to the main lane, turn left at the red Prius, then go until we're even with the main entrance and turn left at the white Ford minivan with the UT and BlueJays bumper stickers.") No, nothing like this. But see my answers to Alex.

Emeraldink

Where there any area / row / aisle markers on the parking lot? numbers? colors? characters? "locales"? Yes, there is some sort of marker to help differentiate areas of the parking lot. I can't remember if it is numbers, colours, characters, or a combination thereof. But the exact form of the markers is irrelevant, so it's not an important detail. Is this a multi-level parking lot? No

The puzzle would not work with a little kid because of something a child would be able to remember? to see? to do? A combination of all three.
Was there a kid in the other car? Irrelevant, but as it turns out, all participants in this puzzle were young adults from mid-twenties to early thirties.

"It happened again": had it happen before with the same two people? YES -- good question! same car? Yes -- Corrigan's unfortunate car was involved both times. on the same parking lot? YES -- getting the picture now? :D had they ( or one of them ) taken the same precautions? No...the precaution was new.

Zenith

Electronic locks/alarms relevent? (was the car's indicator lights up high, so all they had to do was press the button on their keys and look for the lights? And at the cosmic jokers mercy, more than one car at this parking lock had the same code?) No, nothing like this. See my answers to Alex above.

If they had a kid with them, could they have been at the amusement park? I'm not sure I understand this question. They *were* at an amusement park, and they had no kids with them.
Would a child have required more responsibility among their fellows? Irrelevant

Or if they had a child along with them, Gordan's idea would have worked? No -- the only reason why I excluded little kids is because I don't think they would have been able to either use the cell phone properly, or remember the markers properly.
If so:
They'd've needed a bigger/different car?
The kid would've remembered the icecream kiosk within sight of the car and demanded one on the way back?
They would've exited from a different direction? The rest of this set of questions is therefore irrelevant.

Did Gordan's idea failing to work still made locating thier car easier (albeit slightly), no more difficult than before This one, or in fact a more complicated procedure?

Was their times of arrival/departure relevant? Only a very little bit. They arrived mid-morning, and left at the evening, but not at closing time. Unfortunately for them, this meant that there were still enough cars around to make locating their car like a proverbial needle in the haystack.
(eg. at night, they parked next to the light post with the flickering light, and then there is a blackout.)

Is one of those cars that look to be different colours from different angles relevent? No

Are there shuttle facilities at this carpark? I don't think there is Is a shuttle bus' route relevent? N/A

Or the fact that it did end up taking them half an hour to find their vehicle relevent? No...this merely meant that they were lucky, and gives and indicator of how big the parking lot in Canda's Wonderland is. Or to put it in Barbara's immortal words: Moses in a mousetrap, that parking lot is muckin' yoooge! :D
Were they detained in any way? No
Was the procedure actually necessary? Which procedure were you talking about? The precaution taken? If you were referring to the precaution, then the answer is Yes'ish: the reason they wanted to take pre-cautions is because Corrigan and his friends are...well, not on the A-list when it comes to their memories. If their memories were sharp, then they could have just simply memorized the marker and be done with it.
Rabrab (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 5:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, the used the camera on Gordon's cellphone to take a picture that was supposed to help them remember where they were parked. Was the picture of
the car itself?
the immediate surroundings of the car?
the distant surroundings as seen from the car?
some combination of these?

Did they still have the photo in the cell phone/camera's memory when they came out at the end of the day?
Had it been deleted accidentally? overwritten for lack of memory?
too small to be useful?
too blurry to be useful?
Could they find the photo on the cellphone?
Was the cellphone damaged or lost during the day at the park? (fell in the water? otherwise got wet? got dropped? got lost? got pickpocketed?
Rabrab (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By the way, if it helps, here's an aerial photo of the parking lot we're dealing with.

Is the little patch of trees and grass in the lot at all relevant?
Woodworm (Woodworm)
Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 12:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they perhaps take a series of pictures of cars between the parking space and the entrance of the theme park? To make a sort of trail?

Or pictures of other landmarks? How many relevant pictures were taken? 1? 2-5? More than 5? Is the phone's software relevant? Is the ordering of the pictures in the phone's memory relevant? Did any relevant cars change their positions between arriving and leaving the fun park? Any taller vehicles (eg trucks) obscuring anyone's vision at any point?

Would the puzzle work just as well with a digital camera instead of a mobile phone?
Alex319 (Alex319)
Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 4:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the plan just to use the cell phone to take pictures, or did it involve using it to call someone? Did Corrigan plan to use it to call Gordon? Did Gordon plan to use it to call Corrigan? Did they actually make the call they planned to? Did the call go through?

Did the cell phone malfunction? if so was it...
...damaged?
...not able to get a signal?
...out of battery power?
...software error? maybe a computer virus? (Some of the newer cell phones are actually vulnerable to viruses...)
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 4:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rabrab

So, the used the camera on Gordon's cellphone to take a picture that was supposed to help them remember where they were parked. Was the picture of
the car itself? This one -- well done!
the immediate surroundings of the car? Well, yes, but...
the distant surroundings as seen from the car? Not this
some combination of these? See my answers above

Did they still have the photo in the cell phone/camera's memory when they came out at the end of the day? Yes
Had it been deleted accidentally? overwritten for lack of memory?
too small to be useful?
too blurry to be useful?
Could they find the photo on the cellphone?
Was the cellphone damaged or lost during the day at the park? (fell in the water? otherwise got wet? got dropped? got lost? got pickpocketed? None of these. The cell phone image was apparently clear enough, but...

Rabrab again

By the way, if it helps, here's an aerial photo of the parking lot we're dealing with.

Is the little patch of trees and grass in the lot at all relevant? No

Woodworm

Did they perhaps take a series of pictures of cars between the parking space and the entrance of the theme park? To make a sort of trail? No, they only took one pic.

Or pictures of other landmarks? No How many relevant pictures were taken? 1? This one 2-5? More than 5? Is the phone's software relevant? No Is the ordering of the pictures in the phone's memory relevant? No Did any relevant cars change their positions between arriving and leaving the fun park? No Any taller vehicles (eg trucks) obscuring anyone's vision at any point? Irrelevant

Would the puzzle work just as well with a digital camera instead of a mobile phone? Yes

Alex319

Was the plan just to use the cell phone to take pictures, or did it involve using it to call someone? Yes, because yes OR no equals yes...oh all right -- they only planned to use the cell phone to take a pic, and nothing else. Did Corrigan plan to use it to call Gordon? No Did Gordon plan to use it to call Corrigan? No Did they actually make the call they planned to? Did the call go through? So these last two questions are N/A.

Did the cell phone malfunction? No if so was it...
...damaged?
...not able to get a signal?
...out of battery power?
...software error? maybe a computer virus? (Some of the newer cell phones are actually vulnerable to viruses...) So the rest of these questions are N/A. A comment about that last point about the newer cell phones, though: the real-life event on which this puzzle is based took place a while ago. Cell phone cameras were just being introduced into the Canadian market at that point in time, so I don't think viruses would be a concern then.

You guys basically have all the information you need to solve this puzzle. Anyone care to put it altogether and give a $poiler?
Rabrab (Rabrab)
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Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 10:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'll give it a shot...

Corrigan and Gordon were going to meet friends for a day at the amusement park, which has a huge parking lot. Because they had lost the car there (or in a similar lot) before, Corrigan told Gordon to use his cell phone to take a picture of where they were parked, for reference at the end of the day.

Unfortunately, Gordon did exactly that; he took a picture of the parked car, but without sufficient other things in the photo to identify the location, they found that it didn't help when they left.

How's that?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 4:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rabrab

I'll give it a shot...

Corrigan and Gordon were going to meet friends for a day at the amusement park, which has a huge parking lot. Because they had lost the car there (or in a similar lot) before, Corrigan told Gordon to use his cell phone to take a picture of where they were parked, for reference at the end of the day.

Unfortunately, Gordon did exactly that; he took a picture of the parked car, but without sufficient other things in the photo to identify the location, they found that it didn't help when they left.

How's that? That's very good. In fact, it's good enough for me to declare a...

**************** SPOILER *****************

Gary (Corrigan's RL name) is one of my co-workers, and he is known in the office for his frequent trips to many different places.

A while back, in 1995, he visited Canada's Wonderland with 4 other friends, including Gordon. He spent almost the entire day there, and much to his dismay, he found that neither he nor his companions could locate his car. On retrospect, it was fortunate that it only took him a half hour to locate it, given the size of the search area.

Fast forward to year 2000. Gary and Gordan, this time with additional friends, decided to visit Canada's Wonderland again -- it's been 5 years, after all. Recalling what happened in the past, Gary jokingly said to Gordon that he'd better take a picture of the car with his cell phone "just in case".

For whatever reason, the reference to the unfortunate events 5 years ago entirely escaped Gordon's mind. Gordon later admitted to be totally puzzled about the request, but decided to humour his friend, and snap a picture of the car.

So when it came time for the friends to go home, imagine Gary's consternation to discover that Gordon's picture was entirely unhelpful, and once again they had to search the entire parking lot!

Thanks to everyone for playing, and to Rabrab for finally putting this puzzle out of its misery. May you never get lost in big parking lots! :D

(Note: Actually, in real life, Gary managed to recall where he parked his car without the aid of the picture, so all was well. But I figured this puzzle would be more interesting if I made Gary forget his parking spot the second time around.)

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