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White Cloud made a joke that wouldn't have been funny had she not been a Native American (or identifiably involved with Native Americans in some way). Under other circumstances the joke wouldn't have been offensive, it just would not have been funny. How come??
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Was the joke about people? including herself?
Are any objects involved in the joke?
Should we find out the joke to solve the puzzle?
Do we have to find out more? about White Cloud? about native Americans? Is it relevant when the joke was told? to whom?
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Was the joke about people?yesish including herself? yesish
Are any objects involved in the joke? yope
Should we find out the joke to solve the puzzle? yes--that is essential
Do we have to find out more? yes about White Cloud? yesish about native Americans? no Is it relevant when the joke was told? possiblyto whom? yope
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Did the joke have the word "Indian" in it? "Cowboy"?
White Cloud --> h? a?
Does it matter who she told the joke to?
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Is this a well known joke or type of joke ? such as a knock knock ? how many ...does it take to change a lightbulb? Why did the chicken cross the road? Would it be considered an oldie? is it likely that most members of the forum would have heard this joke?
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was the joke made as part of a conversation?
as an answer to a question?
as a story?
was there any physical comedy involved? integral? or peripheral?

Was the joke told in the present day?
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Did the joke have the word "Indian" in it? no "Cowboy"? no
White Cloud --> h? yes a? possibly
Does it matter who she told the joke to? yope
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Is this a well known joke or type of joke ? no such as a knock knock ? no how many ...does it take to change a lightbulb? no Why did the chicken cross the road? noWould it be considered an oldie? no is it likely that most members of the forum would have heard this joke? no
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was the joke made as part of a conversation?yes
as an answer to a question? irrel
as a story? irrel
was there any physical comedy involved? no integral? or peripheral?

Was the joke told in the present day? yes
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If she was, say, Australian aborigine, might there have been some slight variation on the joke that would have been funny? If she was French? Jewish?
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Was it something to do with living in a teepee?
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was it a pun?

a pair of teepees - two tents/too tense?
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If she was, say, Australian aborigine, might there have been some slight variation on the joke that would have been funny? no If she was French? no Jewish? no
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Was it something to do with living in a teepee? no
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was it a pun?yesish

a pair of teepees - two tents/too tense? no
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does it involve any of these words -
red?
indian?
native?

does it involve a nations name?
sioux?
mohawk?
comanche?
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Was it something like, wonder why they named me "White Cloud" !
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does it involve any of these words -
red?yope
indian? no
native? yes

does it involve a nations name? no
sioux?
mohawk?
comanche?
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Was it something like, wonder why they named me "White Cloud" ! no
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HINT: A common English idiom is relevant.
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did White Cloud say that she has "gone native"?
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Was the idiom?:

"Every cloud has a silver lining"

Any of these relevant --> Red handed, Red Herring, Redneck
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did White Cloud say that she has "gone native"?
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Was the idiom?:

"Every cloud has a silver lining" no

Any of these relevant --> Red handed, Red Herring, Redneck no
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you didn't actually answer booklovers question...

does the relevant idiom use the word red?
or a word similar to red?
is red involved in a play on words?
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If this were stand-up comedy (with a general audience), would the joke have been funny?
was the joke a story told as a first person narrative? second person? third person? other?

Did the joke contain a rhetorical question? any question?
was the joke more than 1 sentence?

is the idiom not normally associated with Native Americans?

is there any special relevance to the timing of the joke? place in which the joke was told? special joke set-up?

do we need to reveal anything special about the audience? will a general audience do?

You said the joke was part of a conversation, should we explore topics?
is an english expression used?
including the word "native"?
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did White Cloud say that she has "gone native"? no
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you didn't actually answer booklovers question... Done, with my apology. The last person I want to spurn is a booklover!!

does the relevant idiom use the word red? yes
or a word similar to red? see previous answer
is red involved in a play on words? see above
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If this were stand-up comedy (with a general audience), would the joke have been funny? If the comedian were Native American or had some known connection with Native Americans
was the joke a story told as a first person narrative? second person? third person? other? irrel

Did the joke contain a rhetorical question?possibly but not necessarily any question? ditto
was the joke more than 1 sentence? no

is the idiom not normally associated with Native Americans? no

is there any special relevance to the timing of the joke? no place in which the joke was told? no special joke set-up? no

do we need to reveal anything special about the audience? see next answer will a general audience do? as long as they're familiar with the idiom, which is common in America

You said the joke was part of a conversation, should we explore topics? yes
is an english expression used? yes
including the word "native no
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have anything to do with the fact that when people describe native americans color-wise, they are called red?

regarding the idiom, were any of these the idiom--
be in the red?
catch someone red-handed?
see red?
look through rose-colored glasses?

regarding the joke, were these possible ideas/punch lines?--

did white cloud say that someone caught her red handed? that someone else was caught red handed?

did white cloud say she was upset and "saw red", which also meant she saw the other native americans around her?
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Is a play on "read"/"red" involved?
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Quick recap: she said something that contains both the words "native" and "red" (in that spelling), yes?

Did she mention native wit? Ready wit? Native oysters? Return of the Native? Red skin? Red-faced?
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have anything to do with the fact that when people describe native americans color-wise, they are called red? yes

regarding the idiom, were any of these the idiom--
be in the red?
catch someone red-handed?
see red?
look through rose-colored glasses? no to all

regarding the joke, were these possible ideas/punch lines?--

did white cloud say that someone caught her red handed? no that someone else was caught red handed? no

did white cloud say she was upset and "saw red", which also meant she saw the other native americans around her? no
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Is a play on "read"/"red" involved? no
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Quick recap: she said something that contains both the words "native" and "red" (in that spelling), yes? no. It contained neither. The relevant idion uses the word'red' but her joke didn't

Did she mention native wit? Ready wit? Native oysters? Return of the Native? Red skin? Red-faced? no to all
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be in/put on red alert?
go beet red?
paint the town red?
take the red eye?
a red herring?
red tape?
red-carpet treatment?
red hot?
red blooded?
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be in/put on red alert?
go beet red?
paint the town red?
take the red eye?
a red herring?
red tape?
red-carpet treatment?
red hot?
red blooded? none pf these!! keep trying...
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ok, here goes--I've almost run out of ideas!

be shown the red card?
see the red light?
redneck?
one red cent?
red flag?
red faced?
red letter day?
my ears are turning red?
like waving a red flag in front of a bull?
I'm red in the face?
that's all I've got!
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is there a specific noun which is colored red according to the idiom?
if so, is it of or relating to a human?
does red occur in the beginning? middle? end? of the expression?
is it a two-word expression?

in the red?
roses are red?
red line?
red hot?
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red head?
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ok, here goes--I've almost run out of ideas!

be shown the red card? no
see the red light? no
redneck? no
one red cent? no
red flag? no
red faced? no
red letter day? no
my ears are turning red? no
like waving a red flag in front of a bull? no
I'm red in the face? no
that's all I've got!
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is there a specific noun which is colored red according to the idiom? yes
if so, is it of or relating to a human? noish
does red occur in the beginning? middle? end? of the expression? beginning
is it a two-word expression? yes

in the red? no
roses are red? no
red line? no
red hot? no
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red head? no
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red mist?
red rag (to a bull)?
red meat?
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red mist? no
red rag (to a bull)? no
red meat? no

KEEP TRYING!!
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HINT: People often use the idiom when talking about dealings with large organizations.
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Red tape!!
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Red tape!! YES!!! PLEASE SOLVE IT__NOW IT SHOULD BE EASY!!
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hey, I put red tape on one of my idiom guesses (sept 19th)... oh, well...

so (according to one of your statements 9/18) while the joke refers to the idiom "red tape", it doesn't necessarily have this term in the joke, correct?

does the joke have to do with the idea of "red tape" but uses another word? if so, is the other word bureaucracy? rules? regulations?

ok, onto my guesses (yes, I know these are terrible)...
how did the native american hold up his pants?
with a bunch of bureaucracy? (red tape)

how did the native american hang pictures on the wall? with a bunch of bureaucracy (red tape)
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Would the joke involve red teepee?
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hey, I put red tape on one of my idiom guesses (sept 19th)... oh, well... OOOOOH!!! MY BLOOOOOPERRRRRRRRR!! I DESERVE A STAY IN TARQUIN'S DUNGEON!!

so (according to one of your statements 9/18) while the joke refers to the idiom "red tape", it doesn't necessarily have this term in the joke, correct? correct

does the joke have to do with the idea of "red tape" but uses another word? yes if so, is the other word bureaucracy? rules? regulations? no to all

ok, onto my guesses (yes, I know these are terrible)...
how did the native american hold up his pants? no
with a bunch of bureaucracy? no (red tape)

how did the native american hang pictures on the wall? with a bunch of bureaucracy (red tape) no
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Would the joke involve red teepee?no
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Native-American-tape? Does the joke reference the etymology of the phrase?
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Native-American-tape? no Does the joke reference the etymology of the phrase? no
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Was she describing a instance of red tape? Something that only affected the Native Americans?
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Was she describing a instance of red tape? yes Something that only affected the Native Americans? irrel
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Did she comment how tape owned by the Native Americans would be red tape? Is the word tape in any other sense than as part of the word red tape relevant here?
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Did she comment how tape owned by the Native Americans would be red tape? no. She doesn't actually use the phrase'red tape', remember?? Is the word tape in any other sense than as part of the word red tape relevant here? no
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Did she refere to "native American tape"? Or something similar? (that wouldn't actually work, so let's try and word a question that gets across what I'm thinking....) did she imply the phrase "red tape", rather than use some other phrase which means the same thing? And did this in some way link up with the word "red" in the phrase "red indian"?
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Did she refere to "native American tape"? no Or something similar? What counts as similar? (that wouldn't actually work, so let's try and word a question that gets across what I'm thinking....) did she imply the phrase "red tape", rather than use some other phrase which means the same thing? yope And did this in some way link up with the word "red" in the phrase "red indian"? yope
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could the word in the joke which means "red tape" be: paperwork? procedures? official? proper channel? organization? ritual? code? guidelines? authority? ceremony? protocol?
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Is the word?/phrase? in question a pun on red tape?
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without actually using the expression was her joke about cutting through the red tape?
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could the word in the joke which means "red tape" be: paperwork? procedures? official? proper channel? organization? ritual? code? guidelines? authority? ceremony? protocol? none of the above!!
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Is the word?/phrase? in question a pun on red tape? no & it's a phrase
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without actually using the expression was her joke about cutting through the red tape?no
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HINT: THE FOLLOWING FACTS ARE IMPORTANT. W.C., A NATIVE AMERICAN IS MAKING A JOKE ABOUT BUREAUCRACY THAT RELIES ON BUT DOES NOT USE THE EXPRESSION'RED TAPE.' THE FACT THAT SHE IS NATIVE AMERICAN OR KNOWN TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH NATIVE AMERICANS IS NECESSARY FOR THE JOKE TO HAVE ANY POINT AT ALL.
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What aspect of native americans does the joke refer to?

-the fact that they are also called red indians?
-the oppression they faced early on
-something about their culture
-the way their names have meanings

Did the joke contain the word 'tape'?
Is her name relevant to the joke?
Was the joke about an arduosly bureaucratic situation she had been in? or observed?
If so, some sort of a government procedure? school? hospital? court? corporation? armed force? form filling? corruption? tax collection?
Is the term "middle-man" relevant?
Was it she cribbing about the dull routine and monotony that comes with a bureaucratic system? Requisitions for everything?
Catch-22 relevant? Group thinking / lack of common sense?

Was there discrimination of any kind involved here? hostile? harmless? unintentional?

Is some native american cliche relevant?

Is there any other idiom with the word 'red' involved?
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What aspect of native americans does the joke refer to?

-the fact that they are also called red indians? yes
-the oppression they faced early on no
-something about their culture no
-the way their names have meanings no

Did the joke contain the word 'tape'? yes
Is her name relevant to the joke? no
Was the joke about an arduosly bureaucratic situation she had been in? possibly or observed? ditto
If so, some sort of a government procedure? school? hospital? court? corporation? armed force? form filling? corruption? tax collection? irrel what sort of situstion
Is the term "middle-man" relevant? no
Was it she cribbing about the dull routine and monotony that comes with a bureaucratic system? irrel Requisitions for everything?possibly but irrel
Catch-22 relevant? Group thinking / lack of common sense? just bureaucracy in general--the specifics are irrel

Was there discrimination of any kind involved here? no hostile? harmless? unintentional?

Is some native american cliche relevant?

Is there any other idiom with the word 'red' involved? just the fact that Native Americans are often described as red
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HINT: You've already estasblished that the relevant idiom is 'red tape' but that she didn't say 'red tape'. What might a clever Native American say instead when complaining about bureaucracy?
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Was her joke anything to do with not being supposed to call Native Americans "Red Indians" any more? Due to political correctness?
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Was her joke anything to do with not being supposed to call Native Americans "Red Indians" any more? no Due to political correctness? no
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Could she say something like, "I wanted to do x,y, or z, but I couldn't cut through all the native american tape"?
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sorry, never mind my last post! I just realized that Bentarm and Bodo had already asked the same thing about "native american tape" and you said "no" to both of them. I'll think some more...
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"white tape"?
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Did she say something like, "We didn't invent all this bureaucracy-it should have been called "white tap"?
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Could she say something like, "I wanted to do x,y, or z, but I couldn't cut through all the native american tape"?
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sorry, never mind my last post! I just realized that Bentarm and Bodo had already asked the same thing about "native american tape" and you said "no" to both of them. I'll think some more...
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"white tape"?YES!!!!!!!!!
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Did she say something like, "We didn't invent all this bureaucracy-it should have been called "white tap"?\b {see above!!}

**********SPOILER**************
White Cloud, a Native American undergraduate apologized for being late to an appointment with her advisor. "I got stuck in all the white tape," she expained. This is based on an anecdote I read. Thanks for solving it, Enjay, & all you clever lateral puzzlers are urgued to check out my new puzzle at the bottom of the page
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Great puzzle...I can't take any credit though, I was only basing my guess on Sixtyeight's!
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Great puzzle...I can't take any credit though, I was only basing my guess on Sixtyeight's! In these times of rampant self-esteem, your modesty is impressive. But so are your clever questions. How about some on my remaining puzzles (including the brand-new one I just posted)?

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