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| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 60 Registered: 7-2006 |
Carl takes his mother and his wife to the theater to watch a play. When they arrive, Carl and his mother enter first, then Carl goes back outside and enters the theater together with his wife. Why don't all three of them enter together? | ||
| Suido (Suido)
New member Username: Suido Post Number: 264 Registered: 8-2007 |
Is Carl involved with the play in any way, and is not using the main entrance? Are all three able-bodied? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 62 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is Carl involved with the play in any way, and is not using the main entrance? Incorrect Are all three able-bodied? No | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1184 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is Carl able bodied? Is his mother? His wife? Is anyone in a wheelchair? Blind? Are they entering in the dark, and Carl is blind and therefore leading his mother and wife to their seats as he has no problem finding his way around in the dark? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2159 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hi Torgeir - I'd add a question but John has such excellent ones I'll just bide a wee... | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 63 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is Carl able bodied? Yes Is his mother? No His wife? Yes Is anyone in a wheelchair? Yes Blind? No Are they entering in the dark, and Carl is blind and therefore leading his mother and wife to their seats as he has no problem finding his way around in the dark? Not this Hi, Tim and John. I'd all but forgotten how sharp the people on this forum are, but it's coming back quickly | ||
| Suido (Suido)
New member Username: Suido Post Number: 269 Registered: 8-2007 |
So Carl wheels his mother in, and to her spot, and then returns outside in order to accompany his wife inside. Correct? Will all three be seated in the same area? Is there something that prevented his wife entering with them? Or did she elect to wait outside? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1187 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is the door not wide enough? Is it relevant where their seats are? Anything about the design of the theatre relevant? Might Carl have to do this at a cinema? at a football match? at a rock concert? "they" = Carl and his mother and his wife? Is it just that his wife wasn't there yet when he and his mother arrived? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1188 Registered: 6-2001 |
would it be possible for Carl's wife to enter with his mother first, and then go back to enter with Carl? Would it be possible for Carl to enter with his wife first and then go back for his mother? | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 60 Registered: 5-2007 |
Is it like that river crossing puzzle? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 64 Registered: 7-2006 |
Suido: So Carl wheels his mother in, and to her spot, and then returns outside in order to accompany his wife inside. Correct? Yes Will all three be seated in the same area? Irrelevant Is there something that prevented his wife entering with them? Yes Or did she elect to wait outside? Yesish John: Is the door not wide enough? Door widths are not an issue Is it relevant where their seats are? No Anything about the design of the theatre relevant? No Might Carl have to do this at a cinema? at a football match? at a rock concert? The principle would work with all of these "they" = Carl and his mother and his wife? Yes Is it just that his wife wasn't there yet when he and his mother arrived? No, they arrived together would it be possible for Carl's wife to enter with his mother first, and then go back to enter with Carl? No Would it be possible for Carl to enter with his wife first and then go back for his mother? No Deathateaster: Is it like that river crossing puzzle? If it's the same type of river crossing puzzle that I know about, then no. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3398 Registered: 12-2000 |
Does the wife buy the popcorn in the assurance that a good seat is available for her regardless of how long she has to wait in the queue? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1195 Registered: 6-2001 |
Does Carl push his mother's wheelchair? Relevant? Is there anything unusual about the wheelchair? Anything unusual about Carl? Would it be possible for me to go along to the theatre with Carl's wife and mother, and then enter first with his mother and go back for his wife? Is Carl's job relevant? Does he work at the theatre? Just to be sure - it is his mother that's in the wheelchair, right? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 390 Registered: 5-2007 |
Do they purchase three tickets? (The first thing I thought when I read the puzzle statement is that they only purchase two tickets. Carl and his mother enter the theater, then Carl leaves with both ticket stubs, giving one to his wife, then they go back in with both ticket stubs, pretending they both bought tickets.) | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2006 |
Lynne: Does the wife buy the popcorn in the assurance that a good seat is available for her regardless of how long she has to wait in the queue? No John: Does Carl push his mother's wheelchair? Yes Relevant? Not particularly Is there anything unusual about the wheelchair? No Anything unusual about Carl? Well, he is fluent in 8 languages, but apart from that, no. Would it be possible for me to go along to the theatre with Carl's wife and mother, and then enter first with his mother and go back for his wife? Yes Is Carl's job relevant? No Does he work at the theatre? No Just to be sure - it is his mother that's in the wheelchair, right? Yes | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 66 Registered: 7-2006 |
Do they purchase three tickets? Yes (The first thing I thought when I read the puzzle statement is that they only purchase two tickets. Carl and his mother enter the theater, then Carl leaves with both ticket stubs, giving one to his wife, then they go back in with both ticket stubs, pretending they both bought tickets.) Good thinking, but no :-) | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 650 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did his wife have to park their car after getting his mother out just outside the theatre? Did Carl have all the tickets in his pocket and have to return to give his wife hers? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1204 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is anything about the location of the seats relevant? Are there any steps? a lift? If Carl's mother had an electric wheelchair, would the puzzle work? Would it be possible for Carl's mother to push herself to her seat alone, and then wait a while for Carl and his wife to enter? Would it be possible for all three of them to enter together if they just waited until the time when Carl and his wife enter? If Carl told the theatre manager about his two trips, would they be annoyed? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 67 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did his wife have to park their car after getting his mother out just outside the theatre? No Did Carl have all the tickets in his pocket and have to return to give his wife hers? No Is anything about the location of the seats relevant? Are there any steps? a lift? All no If Carl's mother had an electric wheelchair, would the puzzle work? Yes Would it be possible for Carl's mother to push herself to her seat alone, and then wait a while for Carl and his wife to enter? No, or only with more difficulty than necessary. Would it be possible for all three of them to enter together if they just waited until the time when Carl and his wife enter? No If Carl told the theatre manager about his two trips, would they be annoyed? No | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 710 Registered: 4-2007 |
does it have to do with the time it would take to get his mother into the seat? I am thinking that Carl would bring his mother in, get her into the seat, and then have to take the wheelchair somewhere to stow... are Carl's mother and his wife at odds with each other? do they need Carl as a buffer? If so, would they be angry about being left alone with each other while Carl takes care of the wheelchair? At the end of the performance, does Carl take his mother first, get her situated in the car, and then come back for his wife? or do all three leave together? on another route: is the aisle to small to allow Carl, his mother and the wheelchair, and his wife at the same time? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 651 Registered: 6-2007 |
just to make sure it is not a distraction, is the wheelchair relevant? is there any more to reveal in the properies of the 3 characters? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 68 Registered: 7-2006 |
does it have to do with the time it would take to get his mother into the seat? I am thinking that Carl would bring his mother in, get her into the seat, and then have to take the wheelchair somewhere to stow... Not this are Carl's mother and his wife at odds with each other? do they need Carl as a buffer? If so, would they be angry about being left alone with each other while Carl takes care of the wheelchair? No to these At the end of the performance, does Carl take his mother first, get her situated in the car, and then come back for his wife? This is a probable scenario or do all three leave together? Noish on another route: is the aisle to small to allow Carl, his mother and the wheelchair, and his wife at the same time? No, the aisle is more than wide enough just to make sure it is not a distraction, is the wheelchair relevant? It is relevant, yes is there any more to reveal in the properties of the 3 characters? I'd say yes, though with possible reservations as to exactly what you would call consider to be "properties of a character" | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 653 Registered: 6-2007 |
objects? possessions? descriptions? conditions? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 71 Registered: 7-2006 |
objects? Yes possessions? Yes descriptions? conditions? Both no | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 655 Registered: 6-2007 |
of... Carl's? the mother's? the wife's? something carried by hand? something attached to a body? alive? visible? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 72 Registered: 7-2006 |
of... Carl's? the mother's? the wife's? This something carried by hand? something attached to a body? This alive? No visible? Yes | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1238 Registered: 6-2001 |
The relevant possessions: Jewelry? clothing? tatoo? false teeth? wig? attached to the head? neck? arms? legs? torso? piercings? Does Carl ever push his mother's wheelchair while his wife is present? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 660 Registered: 6-2007 |
does carl do anything relevant with his hands when walking with his wife? anything relevant at all? does she do anything relevant when they walk? is her proximity to him while walking relevant? can she flank him? walk behind? in front of him? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 73 Registered: 7-2006 |
John: The relevant possessions: Jewelry? clothing? This tatoo? false teeth? wig? attached to the head? neck? arms? legs? This torso? piercings? Does Carl ever push his mother's wheelchair while his wife is present? Yes 68: does carl do anything relevant with his hands when walking with his wife? Yes anything relevant at all? So yes does she do anything relevant when they walk? No is her proximity to him while walking relevant? No can she flank him? Yes walk behind? Yes in front of him? Yes 68's questions are answered truthfully, but they contain a serious FA, which I have exploited to the fullest. | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 664 Registered: 6-2007 |
Does Carl carry his wife? is door height an issue? could Carl's wife walk into the theater alone? could she walk into the average restaurant alone? Does Carl's mother have legs? relevant? is there any significant relationship between Carl's mother's condition and Carl's wife's "legwear"? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1545 Registered: 8-2006 |
Clothing for who? Carl? his wife? His mother? Article of clothing:Pants, shorts,blouse, skirt, underwear, dress?Other? Is the material it is made of relevant? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 75 Registered: 7-2006 |
Does Carl carry his wife? Noish is door height an issue? No could Carl's wife walk into the theater alone? It would be difficult for her could she walk into the average restaurant alone? Yes Does Carl's mother have legs? relevant? Irrelevant is there any significant relationship between Carl's mother's condition and Carl's wife's "legwear"? Not sure exactly what you mean. I'd say no. "Legwear" is imprecise. Maybe I should have answered no to that earlier question. | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 673 Registered: 6-2007 |
when Carl's wife enters the theater, are there shoes on her feet? do her feet tread upon the ground? does she take steps? do her legs advance her feet? does she have a problem balancing? can carl's wife jog? jump? breakdance? cartwheel? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 76 Registered: 7-2006 |
when Carl's wife enters the theater, are there shoes on her feet? Yes do her feet tread upon the ground? No does she take steps? No do her legs advance her feet? No does she have a problem balancing? No can carl's wife jog? jump? breakdance? cartwheel? These are irrelevant | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1256 Registered: 6-2001 |
Are Carl's wife's shoes relevant? Is the relevant item of clothing something that most women own? Does Carl aid his wife in some way in her entry into the theatre? Is he in contact with her? With her shoulders? torso? legs? Is Carl's wife's weight relevant? Is Carl's wife able-bodied? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 676 Registered: 6-2007 |
do her shoes touch the ground? (assuming that ground will suffice as the surface they walk on while entering the theater) Does Carl's wife use any prosthetics? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1548 Registered: 8-2006 |
You missed my question above *Sulks slightly* If his wife was wearing something else, would they have gone in together? Does his Mom have to be sitting in a different location | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 726 Registered: 4-2007 |
is carl's wife wearing something that makes it difficult for her to walk? is her dress very tight (maybe one of those dresses where the bottom is very snug and she has trouble walking in it)? i am assuming that since she is "able-bodied" then she can walk, correct? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 79 Registered: 7-2006 |
Are Carl's wife's shoes relevant? Yes Is the relevant item of clothing something that most women own? Yes - shoes Does Carl aid his wife in some way in her entry into the theatre? Yes Is he in contact with her? No With her shoulders? torso? legs? All no Is Carl's wife's weight relevant? No Is Carl's wife able-bodied? Yes do her shoes touch the ground?(assuming that ground will suffice as the surface they walk on while entering the theater) No Does Carl's wife use any prosthetics? No You missed my question above *Sulks slightly* I apologise. Those questions should be amply answered by now, however. If his wife was wearing something else, would they have gone in together? They might Does his Mom have to be sitting in a different location Than what? is carl's wife wearing something that makes it difficult for her to walk? Yope is her dress very tight (maybe one of those dresses where the bottom is very snug and she has trouble walking in it)? Not this i am assuming that since she is "able-bodied" then she can walk, correct? Correct | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1261 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is Carl's wife wearing high heels? Is it relevant what her shoes are made out of? Does Carl walk in front of his wife? behind? at her side? relevant? Does Carl say anything relevant whilst entering the theatre with his wife? Does his wife propel herself to her seat in any way? Does Carl propel her? Does he push her in his mother's wheelchair? Are her heels so painful she doesn't *want* to walk in them? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 81 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is Carl's wife wearing high heels? Yes Is it relevant what her shoes are made out of? No Does Carl walk in front of his wife? behind? This at her side? relevant? Two scenarios are possible. In one of them, it is relevant. Does Carl say anything relevant whilst entering the theatre with his wife? No Does his wife propel herself to her seat in any way? Yesish Does Carl propel her? "yope" or "no" according to which scenario we choose. Henceforth, let's go for "yope". Does he push her in his mother's wheelchair? Yes(ish) Are her heels so painful she doesn't *want* to walk in them? Not this | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 682 Registered: 6-2007 |
Can what is on Carl's wife's feet be purchased at a common ladies shoe store? is there something tangible between wife's shoes and the ground? is carl between wife's shoes and the ground? Is Carl's wife verticle? horizontal? sitting?squatting? doubled over? upside down? entering the theater? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1267 Registered: 6-2001 |
Does Carl's wife sit in his mother's wheelchair at some point in the course of this puzzle? On the way to her seat? Does she push it herself? Does Carl push it? Are Carl's wife's high heels uncomfortable? is she used to walking in high heels? Does she wear them on her way to the seat? Whilst sat in the seat? Is the scenario in which Carl yopeishly propels his wife to her seat the same as the one in which it's relevant that he walks behind her? Is there a discrepancy here: Does Carl propel her? "yope" or "no" Does he push her in his mother's wheelchair? "Yes(ish)" Is the "ish" because he doesn't push her? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2201 Registered: 2-2001 |
Did a heel break off one of her shoes? Did anything relevant happen on the way to the theater? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1558 Registered: 8-2006 |
Meh. Look at my October 1st post | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 82 Registered: 7-2006 |
Can what is on Carl's wife's feet be purchased at a common ladies shoe store? Absolutely is there something tangible between wife's shoes and the ground? At one time, yes is carl between wife's shoes and the ground? No. You have a vivid imagination :-) Is Carl's wife verticle? Vertical? At one time, yes horizontal? sitting? At one time, yes squatting? doubled over? upside down? entering the theater? At one time, yes. No to the others. Does Carl's wife sit in his mother's wheelchair at some point in the course of this puzzle? Yes On the way to her seat? This needs further specification. Yope. Does she push it herself? Does Carl push it? These are the two scenarios that I mentioned. Both are possible. Let's say Carl pushes it. Are Carl's wife's high heels uncomfortable? Not particularly is she used to walking in high heels? Yes Does she wear them on her way to the seat? Yes Whilst sat in the seat? Yes Is the scenario in which Carl yopeishly propels his wife to her seat the same as the one in which it's relevant that he walks behind her? Yes Is there a discrepancy here: Does Carl propel her? "yope" or "no" Does he push her in his mother's wheelchair? "Yes(ish)" You be the judge. This should be cleared up by now. Is the "ish" because he doesn't push her? Correct Did a heel break off one of her shoes? No Did anything relevant happen on the way to the theater? No Meh. Look at my October 1st post Um. Well. Again, this is now cleared up - we're talking about the wife's shoes. | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1286 Registered: 6-2001 |
During the period when Carl pushes his mother's wheelchair to the seat (with his mother in it), is his wife seated? in the car? standing? When Carl gets back, does he have his mother's wheelchair? Does his wife sit in it immediately? Does she do anything relevant whilst Carl is pushing his mother to her seat? When he gets back? Does she use the chair to get from wherever she waited for Carl to her seat? Does his wife suffer any pain at any point in this puzzle? Are her high heels a normal pair of high heels? Would these work? If they had a spare wheelchair, might all three have entered together? Has Carl's wife ever walked anywhere in the heels she's wearing this night? Might she walk somewhere in the future? Does she walk anywhere during the time that they're in the theatre? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1560 Registered: 8-2006 |
Oh oops, sorry about that. Are they hard to walk in? Would his wife like walking in them? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 83 Registered: 7-2006 |
During the period when Carl pushes his mother's wheelchair to the seat (with his mother in it), is his wife seated? in the car? standing? This When Carl gets back, does he have his mother's wheelchair? Yes Does his wife sit in it immediately? Yes Does she do anything relevant whilst Carl is pushing his mother to her seat? No When he gets back? Apart from sit in the chair? No Does she use the chair to get from wherever she waited for Carl to her seat? Yope Does his wife suffer any pain at any point in this puzzle? No Are her high heels a normal pair of high heels? Yes Would these work? So yes If they had a spare wheelchair, might all three have entered together? Yes Has Carl's wife ever walked anywhere in the heels she's wearing this night? Irrelevant. She could have, yes, apart from the fact that most women hate to be seen in the same clothing twice. Might she walk somewhere in the future? Yes. Apart from the fact that... etc. Does she walk anywhere during the time that they're in the theatre? Yes Are they hard to walk in? The shoes? Noish Would his wife like walking in them? Yes | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 737 Registered: 4-2007 |
does she have trouble walking in the theater because of stairs? does the floor slope down at such an angle that she would have trouble in her heels? important what type/size the heels are? if so, are the heels thick, thin, pencil thin? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 695 Registered: 6-2007 |
If Carl's wife were wearing sneakers would the puzzle work? is it because of the wife's shoes that the wife sits in the wheelchair? just to clarify, when I asked "is carls wife horizontal while entering the theater?" was the answer "at one time, yes"? was there some horizontal moment in wife's trip from the car to the theater? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 85 Registered: 7-2006 |
does she have trouble walking in the theater because of stairs? does the floor slope down at such an angle that she would have trouble in her heels? None of these... important what type/size the heels are? if so, are the heels thick, thin, pencil thin? Probably somewhere between thin and pencil thin If Carl's wife were wearing sneakers would the puzzle work? No is it because of the wife's shoes that the wife sits in the wheelchair? Yes just to clarify, when I asked "is carls wife horizontal while entering the theater?" was the answer "at one time, yes"? No, sorry if I answered confusingly was there some horizontal moment in wife's trip from the car to the theater? No | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1296 Registered: 6-2001 |
Are there any lifts involved in this puzzle? any stairs? escalators? ramps? Is there a specific part of the route from wherever she starts to her seat that Carl's wife does not want to traverse in high heels? A cattle grid? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 88 Registered: 7-2006 |
Are there any lifts involved in this puzzle? any stairs? escalators? ramps? None of these Is there a specific part of the route from wherever she starts to her seat that Carl's wife does not want to traverse in high heels? Yes A cattle grid? Not exactly, but close enough ***************** SPOILER ******************** To get from the car park to the theater, our heros had to cross a pedestrian bridge. The floor of the bridge consisted of steel grid modules, and Carl's wife did not want to cross in her high heels, which would stick in the grid openings. As the grid had a coarse surface to improve traction for people's shoes, taking off the shoes and expose her delicate nylon stockings to the grid was not an option either. So they agreed that Carl would get his mother seated first, then subsequently come back with the wheelchair and carry his wife across. |
