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Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 8:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why did the young lady move so slowly and carefully sideways from the right to the left washbasin and back again?
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I guess from the title it was a public toilet? was anyone else relevant there? was anything broken in there? flooded? untidy?
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I guess from the title it was a public toilet? Correct
was anyone else relevant there? Yes
was anything broken in there? Noish flooded? untidy? No to these
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Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 12:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did she think there was no soap at the first one?
was there something about the way the water came out that she didn't like?
was there something about the mirror at the first washbasin that bothered her?
was someone crowding her at the first washbasin? and maybe she moved, but then the person who was crowding her moved, so she went back?
was something else in her way when she was at the first washbasin?

did she not like the first washbasin (or something about it), moved to the one to the left, and realized someone was at that one (or already close to it), so she moved back to the one on the right?
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Are any movement sensors involved?
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Is it relevant that a young lady is involved? Would an older woman do the same thing? Is the lady thin? Fat? Is there something about her external appearance that is relevant?

Did she move back to the right basin because she changed her mind about something? Is it relevant that she was at the right basin first? Would the puzzle work if she started from the left basin?

Was she with a friend? Relative? Did she know anyone in the toilet? Was she moving sideways because she had very little space to move? Was she trying to avoid brushing against someone/something standing near the basins?
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did she think there was no soap at the first one? Not this
was there something about the way the water came out that she didn't like? No
was there something about the mirror at the first washbasin that bothered her? No
was someone crowding her at the first washbasin? Yesish
and maybe she moved, but then the person who was crowding her moved, so she went back? Not exactly
was something else in her way when she was at the first washbasin? No

did she not like the first washbasin (or something about it), moved to the one to the left, and realized someone was at that one (or already close to it), so she moved back to the one on the right? No

Are any movement sensors involved? No

Is it relevant that a young lady is involved? Yesish
Would an older woman do the same thing? Yes
Is the lady thin? Reasonably Fat? No
Is there something about her external appearance that is relevant? Only peripherally

Did she move back to the right basin because she changed her mind about something? No
Is it relevant that she was at the right basin first? No, so...
Would the puzzle work if she started from the left basin? ...yes

Was she with a friend? No
Relative? Yesish verging on yes (I consider friends and relatives to be disjoint concepts here)
Did she know anyone in the toilet? No
Was she moving sideways because she had very little space to move? No
Was she trying to avoid brushing against someone/something standing near the basins? No
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was she trying to see something in the reflection in the mirror? did she move slowly so as to not slip? to avoid being noticed? to not make a mess? is soap involved? paper towels? other hand drying thing in the bathroom?
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is she wearing glasses? if so, is this relevant?
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looking for a lost earring?
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"the right to the left washbasin" - so were there exactly two washbasins? relevant?
Might she have moved quickly to achieve the same result? Would this have been considered rude? embarrassing?
Are there any mirrors involved in this puzzle?
did both basins work normally? Is the way the taps work relevant? push-activated? turning? Is there a soap-dispenser? a bar of soap? a hand dryer?

Might a man do the same thing?
Did she wash her hands? at the right basin? the first time? second time? at the left basin?
Has she just been to the toilet?
Is any makeup involved in this puzzle?
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was she trying to see something in the reflection in the mirror? FA
did she move slowly so as to not slip? No
to avoid being noticed? No
to not make a mess? No
is soap involved? paper towels? other hand drying thing in the bathroom? All no

is she wearing glasses? if so, is this relevant? Both no

"the right to the left washbasin" - so were there exactly two washbasins? Yes relevant? No
Might she have moved quickly to achieve the same result? Probably not
Would this have been considered rude? No
embarrassing? A bit, perhaps
Are there any mirrors involved in this puzzle? NO
did both basins work normally? Yes
Is the way the taps work relevant? push-activated? turning? All no
Is there a soap-dispenser? a bar of soap? a hand dryer? None of these are relevant

Might a man do the same thing? It would be more awkward
Did she wash her hands? at the right basin? the first time? second time? at the left basin? None of these
Has she just been to the toilet? Irrelevant
Is any makeup involved in this puzzle? Yes
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Was she trying to apply makeup? Or check her makeup? But she didn't have a mirror? Did the movement allow her to apply makeup neatly somehow?
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was she using something else in the washbasin as a reflection to see if she could see how well she had applied her makeup? maybe the tap?
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you missed my question
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you missed my question Sorry. No, she did not look for a lost earring.

Was she trying to apply makeup? Yesish
Or check her makeup? More of the former
But she didn't have a mirror? Correct. but before this goes off on a wildly wrong tangent, I should add that the makeup-application is only of secondary importance.
Did the movement allow her to apply makeup neatly somehow? No

was she using something else in the washbasin as a reflection to see if she could see how well she had applied her makeup? maybe the tap? Both no
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She's mostly asking someone else in the room if she looked alright, since she didn't have a mirror of any type. Correct?
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She moved slowly and carefully - was she balancing something? Not wanting to drop something? Doing her hair?
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Was she trying to dry something? Was she moving sideways to see if something stayed on? Like false eyelashes, for instance?
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She's mostly asking someone else in the room if she looked alright, since she didn't have a mirror of any type. Correct? No

She moved slowly and carefully - was she balancing something? Not wanting to drop something? Doing her hair? None of these

Was she trying to dry something? Was she moving sideways to see if something stayed on? Like false eyelashes, for instance? And none of these either
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was the other person using the toilet? also trying to wash their hands? did the other person ask her to move? did she ask the other person something about the make up? did the other person say something about her make up?
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Dang, I believe I have just encountered the source of this puzzle, and so will have to recuse myself. Funny stuff, though.
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was the other person using the toilet? No, and I sense a FA
also trying to wash their hands? FA, please specify
did the other person ask her to move? Yes, FA
did she ask the other person something about the make up? No, FA
did the other person say something about her make up? Irrelevant
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Was there another relevant person in the bathroom with her? Someone she knew?
Was she on the phone?
Was she applying lipstick? eyeliner? mascara? blusher? powdering her nose?
Did she run the tap at either basin?
She wouldn't have moved quickly because: it would have been more difficult to achieve the desired result if she'd moved quickly? it wouldn't have been possible for her to move quickly?
Was she actually looking at her reflection in something other than a mirror?
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could she have turned and walked to the other basin? or taken large sidesteps?
was she looking for the coriolis effect?
did she need to face the basin?
was another person at the basin? near the basin? using the basin?
is the location of the whole public toilet relevant? would any public toilet do?
are any of the following relevant to the puzzle...
anything outside the public toilet?
the toilet itself?
any stall?
the door?
the floor? wall?
a paytoilet?
water? soap?
a purse? hair?
wastebasket?
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Was there another relevant person in the bathroom with her? Yes
Someone she knew? No
Was she on the phone? No
Was she applying lipstick? eyeliner? Mostly this, if memory serves. mascara? blusher? powdering her nose?
Did she run the tap at either basin? No
She wouldn't have moved quickly because: it would have been more difficult to achieve the desired result if she'd moved quickly? This it wouldn't have been possible for her to move quickly?
Was she actually looking at her reflection in something other than a mirror? Ohhh... good one. No.

could she have turned and walked to the other basin? or taken large sidesteps? Both would work
was she looking for the coriolis effect? No
did she need to face the basin? Yes
was another person at the basin? near the basin? Yes
using the basin? Yes
is the location of the whole public toilet relevant? No, not the location as such would any public toilet do? NO
are any of the following relevant to the puzzle...
anything outside the public toilet? Yesish - definition dependent
the toilet itself? Yes
any stall? No
the door? No
the floor? No
wall? Yes
a paytoilet?
water? soap? a purse? hair?
wastebasket? All no
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Did she move so that she could apply the eyeliner? I mean, did she place the liner at one tip of her eye, and then move slowly so that it traces the outline of her eye, and then move back to give it a second coat?

Did the application of her makeup become easier because of moving? Did the other relevant person have anything to do with her putting on makeup? Did the other person serve as an obstruction? Or an aid in some way? Is it relevant what the other person was doing?

Had there been no basins in the toilet, would she still have moved? If there were mirrors in the toilet, would she have moved?
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Did she move so that she could apply the eyeliner? I mean, did she place the liner at one tip of her eye, and then move slowly so that it traces the outline of her eye, and then move back to give it a second coat? Nothing like this

Did the application of her makeup become easier because of moving? Did the other relevant person have anything to do with her putting on makeup? Yope, FA Did the other person serve as an obstruction? No, FA Or an aid in some way? Yope, FA Is it relevant what the other person was doing? Yes, FA

Had there been no basins in the toilet, would she still have moved? That would go a long way to make the puzzle invalid
If there were mirrors in the toilet, would she have moved? No
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Was there more than one other relevant person in the bathroom with her? Was the other relevant person female? were they all? were you in the bathroom with her?
Did anyone speak to her at any point in this puzzle?
If she hadn't been applying makeup, might she still have made the same movement? If she had been applying lipgloss? blusher? powdering her nose?
Did she use the bathroom?
Just to check - there are no mirrors involved in this puzzle, but were there any mirrors on the wall of the bathroom?
Did the movement in some way facilitate the application of her makeup?
I'm no expert, but isn't it quite difficult to apply eyeliner without a mirror?
Is anything to do with how the stall doors open relevant? how many stalls there are? is anything relevant in the room other than than the basins?
If she was just in a room with two basins in it and nothing else, might she have made the same movement? as long as the same people were in there with her?
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Was there more than one other relevant person in the bathroom with her? Yope Note that we've already touched on the other relevant person earlier in the puzzle
Was the other relevant person female? Yes were they all? Yes
were you in the bathroom with her? No
Did anyone speak to her at any point in this puzzle? Yes
If she hadn't been applying makeup, might she still have made the same movement? Yes
If she had been applying lipgloss? blusher? powdering her nose? Any or none of these
Did she use the bathroom? For bodily functions? No
Just to check - there are no mirrors involved in this puzzle, but were there any mirrors on the wall of the bathroom? NO
Did the movement in some way facilitate the application of her makeup? No
I'm no expert, but isn't it quite difficult to apply eyeliner without a mirror? I'm no expert either, but I'd agree
Is anything to do with how the stall doors open relevant? how many stalls there are? Both no is anything relevant in the room other than than the basins? Yes
If she was just in a room with two basins in it and nothing else, might she have made the same movement? No
as long as the same people were in there with her? So no
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were there any other reflective surfaces in the room? is the other relevant thing something fixed in the room? something on the floor? by the basin? on the wall? were there windows? was there lighting?
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were there any other reflective surfaces in the room? Noish
is the other relevant thing something fixed in the room? This something on the floor? by the basin? Yes on the wall? Yesish were there windows? YESish was there lighting? Yes but irrelevant
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Any paintings relevant? Stained glass? Window blinds? Curtains?
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Were there no windows, but a wide opening that would qualify as a window if there were glass?

And is wind relevant in this puzzle?
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Is there a reflective surface outside?
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Any paintings relevant? Stained glass? Window blinds? Curtains?

Were there no windows, but a wide opening that would qualify as a window if there were glass? NO. Perhaps the "ish" in the previous question about windows was more misleading than helpful.

And is wind relevant in this puzzle? Not at all

Is there a reflective surface outside? Nice try, but no.
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No openings of any type anywhere in this room besides the doorway? vents? any openings in the ceiling?

Does this take place in a somewhat old bathroom in a building in a city? or does it take place in a park restroom with little or no trace of civilization?

Is ventilation relevant? I'm trying to think of why you would put 'NO' in caps for windows ... no windows, no mirrors, what exactly is there in this bathroom? sinks? stalls? toilets? more than one? a doorway? two doorways? more than two? a door? one that locks? a trashcan of some sort? any dispensers? Apologies if the above has been answered elsewhere.
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Misread that. There are sorta windows then? Glass windows? Plastic? Something that you can see through without being able to go through?

In a wall? the floor? the ceiling? If you said 'ish' then they aren't what people would normally consider windows, or there's some restriction that prevents them from behaving exactly like windows we'd expect, right? Can these window-ish things open? Does that matter? Would this puzzle be different if there were shades or otherwise that completely blocked out the window areas?

Is lighting relevant? Are there lights in the bathroom? skylights? are they off? on? open? closed?
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No openings of any type anywhere in this room besides the doorway? vents? any openings in the ceiling? Just the doorway

Does this take place in a somewhat old bathroom in a building in a city? This or does it take place in a park restroom with little or no trace of civilization?

Is ventilation relevant? I'm trying to think of why you would put 'NO' in caps for windows ... I didn't put NO in caps for windows. I put NO in caps for "no windows but a wid opening that would qualify as a window if there were glass. We have established that there is a window
no windows There is a window, but..., no mirrors Correct, what exactly is there in this bathroom? sinks? stalls? toilets? more than one? a doorway? All of these two doorways? more than two? a door? One entry door to the restroom as a whole. Most certainly ordinary stall doors on the stalls one that locks? a trashcan of some sort? any dispensers? Probably all of these Apologies if the above has been answered elsewhere. No problem :-)

Misread that. There are sorta windows then? Yes. Glass windows? Plastic? Something that you can see through without being able to go through? Yes. Glass.

In a wall? Yes the floor? the ceiling? No to these If you said 'ish' then they aren't what people would normally consider windows, or there's some restriction that prevents them from behaving exactly like windows we'd expect, right? Correct. But as I said, I'm really not sure about the 'ish'. One might call it a window without further qualifications. Can these window-ish things open? No Does that matter? Only as a small hint as to what is special about it
Would this puzzle be different if there were shades or otherwise that completely blocked out the window areas? If that were the case, this puzzle would not exist.

Is lighting relevant? Are there lights in the bathroom? skylights? are they off? on? open? closed? The lighting in the room is ordinary and irrelevant.
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is there something special about the glass? about the size of the window? its position? the light that comes through the window? a shadow? is the window over the basin? is there anything relevant outside the window? did anyone else in there have a mirror? or something which could show a reflection?
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is there something special about the glass? about the size of the window?
its position? this is the closest
the light that comes through the window? a shadow?
is the window over the basin? Yes
is there anything relevant outside the window? Um... yes, FA
did anyone else in there have a mirror? or something which could show a reflection? No to the others
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If you look through the window, can you see outside the bathroom? Is it relevant what you can see? Is the window up against a brick wall or something?
Was the woman looking out of the window at any point in this puzzle? Was anyone else looking in through the window?
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anything to do with the sun or clouds, maybe? I am trying to picture the bathroom in my mind, and I am thinking that if I am putting on makeup in a bathroom, and a window is above the basin, maybe I would move if the sun hit in a certain way--maybe too bright for my eyes...I would move over a bit to see if the brightness was different at the other basin. If I realized I was moving into someone at the other basin, then maybe I would move back? but that's what I would do! Any of this on the right track?
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If you look through the window, can you see outside the bathroom? You need to specify exactly what that mesns. Tentative answer: Yes
Is it relevant what you can see? Yes
Is the window up against a brick wall or something? Brick wall, no. Something - well, yope.
Was the woman looking out of the window at any point in this puzzle? Awkward way of putting it, but yes.
Was anyone else looking in through the window? Yes

anything to do with the sun or clouds, maybe? No
I am trying to picture the bathroom in my mind, and I am thinking that if I am putting on makeup in a bathroom, and a window is above the basin, maybe I would move if the sun hit in a certain way--maybe too bright for my eyes...I would move over a bit to see if the brightness was different at the other basin. If I realized I was moving into someone at the other basin, then maybe I would move back? but that's what I would do! Any of this on the right track? No. You suffer from the same FA as Bentarm.
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Can you see well through this door-window? Is light being bent or distorted through it in any way that is relevant to this? is light being reflected through the window, and into her eyes, which is irritating?

How the hell is there a FA on 'is there anything relevant outside the window'... can the door open? and if I were to open it, and step through, and close it, I would be standing on the other side? and maybe there's something there, in the other side, that is relevant to this puzzle?
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if I stood in front of the window and pointed my eyes at it, would I be able to see through the glass? would I be able to see what was on the other side of the glass? Would this thing be outside? Would it be 1cm away from the other side of the window? 10cm away? 100? 1000? 100,000? 1,000,000? 10^10? (I think that's about the distance to the moon....)
Did the woman think that the person looking in through the window was her reflection?
Did the woman look at the window at any point? look through it?
Was there someone outside the bathroom looking in through the window?
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ok, trying to go in a different direction here and probably way off: was there someone outside that the woman was trying to avoid? maybe stalking her? and she moved to get out of his line of vision? and when he moved, she moved back to where she had been? is she a fugitive, possibly?
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Can you see well through this door-window? Door-window? You can see well through the window, yes.
Is light being bent or distorted through it in any way that is relevant to this? No is light being reflected through the window, and into her eyes, which is irritating? No

How the hell is there a FA on 'is there anything relevant outside the window'... can the door open? That is not a yes/no question :-)
and if I were to open it, and step through, and close it, I would be standing on the other side? and maybe there's something there, in the other side, that is relevant to this puzzle? Note your change of wording. "Other side" is not necessarily synonymous with "outside"

if I stood in front of the window and pointed my eyes at it, would I be able to see through the glass? Yes
would I be able to see what was on the other side of the glass? Yes
Would this thing be outside? Depends on what you mean by 'outside'. I'd say "no", but that's my definition.
Would it be 1cm away from the other side of the window? 10cm away? 100? 1000? 100,000? 1,000,000? 10^10? (I think that's about the distance to the moon....) I reckon some 3-4 m, but you choose a dangerous (misleadingwise) wording.
Did the woman think that the person looking in through the window was her reflection? NO
Did the woman look at the window at any point? Yes, in order to... look through it? Yes
Was there someone outside the bathroom looking in through the window? YES
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Sorry for misreading your question. Yes, the door to the restroom can open.
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Did she want the person on the other side (for the record, I thought 'outside' in that context basically meant 'other side') to see her? to see her face? to see the makeup she was applying?

Or did she want to look through to the other side to see if it was dark enough on the other side to see her own reflection? and when she realized that it wouldn't work, and someone else was looking in at her half-done makeup, she went back?
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I think you may have missed Booklover's questions, just before your last post...
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ok, trying to go in a different direction here and probably way off: was there someone outside that the woman was trying to avoid? maybe stalking her? and she moved to get out of his line of vision? and when he moved, she moved back to where she had been? is she a fugitive, possibly? Nothing like this

Did she want the person on the other side (for the record, I thought 'outside' in that context basically meant 'other side') OK. Then yes, the other person was outside the window.
to see her? Yes
to see her face? Yes
to see the makeup she was applying? Yesish

Or did she want to look through to the other side to see if it was dark enough on the other side to see her own reflection? and when she realized that it wouldn't work, and someone else was looking in at her half-done makeup, she went back? Not this scenario
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Does she want the other woman on the other side of the glass to examine her makeup?

Does the other woman acknowledge her presence at all? hand signals? verbally? does she signify anything besides 'I see you'? maybe 'yes, it's on correctly' or 'no, redo it'?
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Does she want the other woman on the other side of the glass to examine her makeup? Not exactly

Does the other woman acknowledge her presence at all? Yes
hand signals? Not exactly
verbally? No
does she signify anything besides 'I see you'? Yesish
maybe 'yes, it's on correctly' or 'no, redo it'? No
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Facial gestures? Body movement of some sort? Sign language? Did she bow? wink? glare for a bit?

Do the two women know each other?

Is some meaningful information conveyed to the woman inside the bathroom? Does that information have anything whatsoever to do with her makeup?

Was her makeup on to her tastes when she looked out the window?

Did the woman outside have makeup on? Was she mimicking her style?
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Facial gestures? Body movement of some sort? Sign language? Not this Did she bow? wink? glare for a bit? I think all of the others.

Do the two women know each other? YES

Is some meaningful information conveyed to the woman inside the bathroom? No Does that information have anything whatsoever to do with her makeup? ...so no

Was her makeup on to her tastes when she looked out the window? Probably

Did the woman outside have makeup on? Yes
Was she mimicking her style? Yes, but this could easily lead down the wrong alley
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'I think all of the others'?

So, she made facial gestures, used body movement of some sort, bowed, winked, and glared for a bit? ...

Is the woman outside a bit annoyed at the woman inside for wearing basically the same makeup? Is the woman inside a bit embarrassed to have completely imitated the woman outside?

Is the idea of mirrors, etc. relevant anymore? Have we figured out enough to forget about that entirely? Or is she looking back at someone that looks almost identical to her, so for a second she thinks that she is looking in a mirror?

Is this an ordinary scene in an ordinary bathroom? or is this some sort of stage show? sitcom?

What is their relationship: are they good friends? kinda good friends? not so good friends, but still friends? coworkers? coworkers that are generally amicable to each other? generally hostile? are they related?

Did the woman outside expect to see the woman inside; was she looking into the door waiting for her to show her face? Vice versa?
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So, she made facial gestures, used body movement of some sort, bowed, winked, and glared for a bit? Correct

Is the woman outside a bit annoyed at the woman inside for wearing basically the same makeup? <b>No</>
Is the woman inside a bit embarrassed to have completely imitated the woman outside? No, and FA

Is the idea of mirrors, etc. relevant anymore? The idea of mirrors is very relevant, yes.
Have we figured out enough to forget about that entirely? No
Or is she looking back at someone that looks almost identical to her YES!
so for a second she thinks that she is looking in a mirror? No

Is this an ordinary scene in an ordinary bathroom? No
or is this some sort of stage show? Yes
sitcom? No, but a bit related. There is another good name for it

What is their relationship: are they good friends? Probably kinda good friends? not so good friends, but still friends? coworkers? coworkers that are generally amicable to each other? generally hostile? No to these
are they related? YES

Did the woman outside expect to see the woman inside; Yes
was she looking into the door waiting for her to show her face? No
Vice versa? Both were expecting to see each other, yes
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They are identical twins?

Is the door connecting two identical bathrooms?

They made absolutely the same gestures at each other, in the same order, at the same time? They both moved slowly and carefully to the other basin and back again at the same time, synchronized?

Is this a play? Some sort of live production? Is there an audience? Is the audience watching two identical women looking at each other through a glass door? Or is the audience looking through a camera from inside one of the bathrooms, with the door window looking like a mirror?

They are actors?
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identical twins? does she think its her reflection? does her twin move, so she thinks her reflection is moving, and so moves to keep up with it?
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They are identical twins? Yes

Is the door connecting two identical bathrooms? No and irrelevant

They made absolutely the same gestures at each other, in the same order, at the same time? They both moved slowly and carefully to the other basin and back again at the same time, synchronized? All yes

Is this a play? Noish
Some sort of live production? Um...not sure if that would be the correct term
Is there an audience? Sort of
Is the audience watching two identical women looking at each other through a glass door? Not a door. A window.
Or is the audience looking through a camera from inside one of the bathrooms, with the door window looking like a mirror? There is NO door window. We have established that the window is over the sinks. The door is some other place in the room, and totally irrelevant.

They are actors? Probably. That is their role in this setup anyway

identical twins? Yes does she think its her reflection? No
does her twin move, so she thinks her reflection is moving, and so moves to keep up with it? No, but not too far from the truth
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Is this some sort of practical joke?

Someone else is in one of the bathrooms, besides the twins. The twin in the other bathroom mirrors her twin's actions exactly, then the twin in the bathroom with the victim moves back a bit, leaving the other twin exposed and without a match. The victim freaks out.

But since it obviously isn't Trigger Happy, it is by law not funny whatsoever.
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Is this some sort of practical joke? YES, it's a "candid camera" gag

Someone else is in one of the bathrooms, besides the twins. The twin in the other bathroom mirrors her twin's actions exactly, then the twin in the bathroom with the victim moves back a bit, leaving the other twin exposed and without a match. The victim freaks out. It wasn't executed exactly that way, but close enough.

But since it obviously isn't Trigger Happy, it is by law not funny whatsoever. I'm not familiar with the reference, alas ):

*************** SPOILER *****************

Two adjacent, symmetrical public toilets have a rectangular hole cut in their separating wall, and a window pane is installed. A young girl stands in front of the window, pretending to fix her makeup. On the other side of the window is her twin sister, mimicking the heroine's every movement. Other people wanting to use the "mirror" are flabbergasted when it "doesn't work" for them, only for the young lady.


http://www.webtvhub.com/twins-having-fun-vid-toilet-mirror-prank/
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Thanks for playing, everyone. I think I've never run a puzzle which was so hard to give sensible answers to.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5921244627589859819

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