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Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 6:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She delivered in record time, he died.
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delivery - of a baby? an item? several items? money? a cricket ball?
Was delivering her job?
Did he receive the delivery?
Is she called Alice? Is there a third party we could call Bob? (the delivery-receiver?) And he can be Chris?
Did he commit suicide? was he murdered?
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delivery - of a baby? no
an item? technically, yes
several items? no
money? no
a cricket ball? no

Was delivering her job? you could say that she was 'doing her job', but that wouldn't be very accurate
Did he receive the delivery? no, FA
Is she called Alice? no, but you can call her that if you want
Is there a third party we could call Bob? (the delivery-receiver?) possible FA, but yes
And he can be Chris? again, possible FA, but yes
Did he commit suicide? no was he murdered? yes, in a way! there's a more accurate term, but even then it's a stretch ...
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Was something being delivered from one person to another person?
Are Bob and Chris one and the same (ie was the person being delivered to the one who died)?
Did he die by manslaughter? An accident? Disease? Is the exact way he died relevant?
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Enjay:
Was something being delivered from one person to another person? no
Are Bob and Chris one and the same (ie was the person being delivered to the one who died)? no, but...
Did he die by manslaughter? this is closest of these three, but less accurate than 'murder' above An accident? Disease?
Is the exact way he died relevant? knowing that might help to understand this puzzle
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was SOMEONE being delivered? in a taxi? similar?
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Visconti:
was SOMEONE being delivered? yes! in a way
in a taxi? similar? not even close
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in this context, does deliver = bring something to someone?

was the person she delivered the same person (the "he") that died?

is 'she' a criminal? law enforcement?

is 'he who died's job relevant?
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Visconti:
in this context, does deliver = bring something yes to someone? no

was the person she delivered the same person (the "he") that died? yes!! but FA

is 'she' a criminal? no law enforcement? no

is 'he who died's job relevant? I'm probably going to have to go with FA
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Is he who died human? adult? male?
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does "in record time" speak to the speed she delivered? really fast? really slow?

other than the "he" that died, was she alone?

before her delivery was complete, was he dead?
after her delivery was complete, was was dead?

is she in the health industry? is her job relevant?

is he H?M?A?
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Enjay:
Is he who died human? no
adult? no
male? well, referred to as 'him' at least once...
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he = animal? dog? cat? living being?
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Visconti:

does "in record time" speak to the speed she delivered? really fast? really slow? mostly faster than compared to other previous 'deliveries'.

other than the "he" that died, was she alone? not quite.

before her delivery was complete, was he dead? no, but ...
after her delivery was complete, was he dead? yes.

is she in the health industry? no is her job relevant? probably FA

he = animal? no
dog? no
cat? no
living being? NO
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died = not working (ie a battery died)?
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Visconti:
died = not working (ie a battery died)? no
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Recap:

Alice delivered an item, which died.

The item wasn't a living being.

His (the item's) cause of 'death' has so far been best described as murder, but there is a much more accurate term. (Small hint, this term usually implies a human, or an animal.)

His death isn't comparable to a battery that no longer functions. 'Death' != 'not working'.

Alice wasn't quite alone.
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Was the item sabotaged? Broken? Smashed up?
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Slaughtered? Butchered? Killed by an animal, forgot the term?
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Does the item in some way represent a living being? Is it a computer programme? Can it speak? read? write? move? Would it be normal to refer to such an item as "him"?

The word that describes how it 'died' - does it imply a killer? a human killer? assassinated? executed?
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Does Alice have a job? Is she human? adult? Does she go to school?
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Enjay:
Was the item sabotaged? Broken? Smashed up? none of these

Crazypalpig:
Slaughtered? Butchered? Killed by an animal, forgot the term? none of these

Bentarm:
Does the item in some way represent a living being? not really
Is it a computer programme? no
Can it speak? NO
read? no
write? no
move? no
Would it be normal to refer to such an item as "him"? no

The word that describes how it 'died' - does it imply a killer? yes
a human killer? yes
assassinated? executed? this is closest, but there's still a better term, something that makes it sound justifiable

Does Alice have a job? not really
Is she human? yes
adult? yes
Does she go to school? if she ever did, she doesn't anymore
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Atone? Behead? OK, is "it" a masculine term? Physical? Poisonous? A food ingredient?
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Did someone do an action to the item which made it die?
was it terminated?
is the item a device? machine? mehcanism?
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Crazypalpig:
Atone? no, but getting warmer.
Behead? no
OK, is "it" a masculine term? The type of item that 'he' is, is not something anyone would normally consider as a 'he'.

If you're asking 'is 'it' grammatically masculine in some language' then the answer is 'irrelevant'.

Physical? yes
Poisonous? no
A food ingredient? no

Sixtyeight:
Did someone do an action to the item which made it die? yes
was it terminated? no
is the item a device? machine? mehcanism? none of these.
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Is Alice a criminal? Is it legal to deliver whatever it is she delivered?
Is there some reason for you referring to the item as "he" in this context? or just a whim? (or to better mimic my puzzle statement :-))

eliminate? liquidate? terminate? eradicate? slay?

Are people killed in this way by governments? Might a revenge-killing in a blood feud be described using this word?

Is the word a word that would normally be used to describe something being done to this type of object?
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Bentarm:
Is Alice a criminal? irrel.
Is it legal to deliver whatever it is she delivered? irrel.
Is there some reason for you referring to the item as "he" in this context? or just a whim? (or to better mimic my puzzle statement :-)) There's a very good reason! Also, how do you kill that which has no life?

eliminate? liquidate? this is closest. there's still a better term. terminate? eradicate? slay?

Are people killed in this way by governments? yes, in certain governments.
Might a revenge-killing in a blood feud be described using this word? not at all

Is the word a word that would normally be used to describe something being done to this type of object? You wouldn't use this word to describe anything being done to an object of this type.
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is the point of time alice was not alone relvant?
was she with some kind of company during the delivery?
when she wasn't alone was she with one? more than one? human? adult? male? relevant non-human? animal?

the term...expunge? annihilate? put to death? put to sleep?

is the item for work? play? entertainment? daily use? utility?
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Sixtyeight:
is the point of time alice was not alone relvant? not really.
was she with some kind of company during the delivery? in a way.
when she wasn't alone was she with one? she wasn't really 'with' anyone but 'him', but...
more than one? just one
male? no
relevant non-human? this (as well as 'him')

the term...expunge? annihilate? put to death? put to sleep? this is closest...

is the item for work? play? entertainment? daily use? utility? this.
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Ah. So I just the item is a computer or some sort of machine that you can put to sleep. Did the computer/whatever have a name like John?
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Crazypalpig:

Ah. So I just the item is a computer no
or some sort of machine no
that you can put to sleep. there's a better word for 'put to sleep'. also, this type of object cannot be 'put to sleep', or even 'killed', since it isn't alive to begin with.

Did the computer/whatever have a name like John? oddly enough, he *did* have a name.
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Put to sleep...as in a mercy killing? Euthanise? Put down?
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Enjay:

Put to sleep...as in a mercy killing? Euthanise? YES Put down?
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Is this a true story?
Was "he" suffering in any sense before he was "killed"?
just to be sure - the "he" taht died is the same thing as the "it" that she delivered in record time right?
Is it relevant why she managed to deliver it in record time? how?
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Bentarm:
Is this a true story? no, but...
Was "he" suffering in any sense before he was "killed"? no
just to be sure - the "he" taht died is the same thing as the "it" that she delivered in record time right? correct
Is it relevant why she managed to deliver it in record time? how? not really.
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Did Alice euthanize Chris? Did Bob? Did someone else?

Was Chris euthanized because he no longer served his 'purpose' or 'utility'? If the delivery was late, would Chris still have been euthanized? If it was even faster? Would the euthanasia have not been justified in any of those cases?

Would you find Chris or one of his cousins in your house? If so, you living room? kitchen? washroom? bedroom? workplace? some other public place? some other place in particular? or you wouldn't really find him commonly?

Is Chris larger than a golf ball? cricket ball? football? basketball? michael jordan? the chicago bulls? a basketball court? (LoL getting carried away here :-D)

Does Chris need something to work? fuel? power? help? Bob?
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Noobdogg:
Did Alice euthanize Chris? yes
Did Bob? in a way
Did someone else? no, but...

Was Chris euthanized because he no longer served his 'purpose' or 'utility'? well, kinda, but not quite
If the delivery was late, would Chris still have been euthanized? yes
If it was even faster? no
Would the euthanasia have not been justified in any of those cases? that's a tricky question, but I'd say 'no, the euthanasia wasn't justified', and I think most people would agree

Would you find Chris or one of his cousins in your house? they're pretty common ... it depends
If so, you living room? kitchen? washroom? bedroom? workplace? some other public place? some other place in particular? closest or you wouldn't really find him commonly?

Is Chris larger than a golf ball?
cricket ball?
football?
basketball? a fair bit larger than this
michael jordan? shorter than this, and not the same shape
the chicago bulls? a basketball court? (LoL getting carried away here :-D)

Does Chris need something to work? possible FA
fuel?
power?
help?
Bob? definitely not
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Was Chris a statue / figuirine of something / someone? Maybe a Santa Claus that came arrived after Christmas? OTRT?
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Was Chris a statue / figuirine of something / someone? no
Maybe a Santa Claus that came arrived after Christmas? no
OTRT? not even close. the type of thing 'he' was isn't anything anyone would even sorta consider to have human characteristics.
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No matter what time frame, if she EVER delivered, Chris would've died. I guess meaning that the reciever recieved an upgrade of Chris? Was Bob the upgrade?
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Crazypalpig:
No matter what time frame, if she EVER delivered, Chris would've died. yes
I guess meaning that the reciever recieved an upgrade of Chris? no
Was Bob the upgrade? no, Bob is the receiver
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Does Chris serve any useful function? Is he purely decorative? Can you buy him in a shop? Does he have a plug? does he have any moving parts?
If you had a Chris, and you were going on a beach holiday, might you take it with you?
Was Chris destroyed in order to be euthanised? burned? cut up into pieces? thrown in the bin?
Could you climb inside Chris? Is Chris' colour relevant? black? white? silver? green? red? blue? orange? purple?

Did people have things of Chris' type at the turn of the 21st century? in the 1990s? 1980s? 70s? 60s? 50s? 40s? 30s? 20s? 10s? late 19th Century? early 19th century? Did the pioneers take any with them when then went to America? Did Henry VIII have one? Did a peasant who was around at the same time as Henry VIII? The Romans? Greeks?
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Bentarm:
Does Chris serve any useful function? yeah
Is he purely decorative? no
Can you buy him in a shop? well, not Chris himself, but maybe something like him
Does he have a plug? no
does he have any moving parts? no

If you had a Chris, and you were going on a beach holiday, might you take it with you? if it helps, there are people that are printing out miniature versions of Chris and putting him on their desks and such; I think a beach holiday would be overdoing it, but it's conceivable.

As for 'a type of Chris', you might take one or two of these with on a beach holiday, depends.


Was Chris destroyed in order to be euthanised? Chris was destroyed
burned? yes!
cut up into pieces? no
thrown in the bin? well, not a bin, but...

Could you climb inside Chris? I'm not entirely sure, because he doesn't seem to open. You could climb into something a bit like Chris though.

Is Chris' colour relevant? not really
black? white? silver? closest green? red? blue? orange? purple?

Did people have things of Chris' type at the turn of the 21st century? yes
in the 1990s? 1980s? 70s? 60s? 50s? 40s? 30s? 20s? 10s? late 19th Century? early 19th century? all
Did the pioneers take any with them when then went to America? I'm pretty sure they took several
Did Henry VIII have one? most likely
Did a peasant who was around at the same time as Henry VIII? maybe if they needed a few for something, but probably not. its function is more important
The Romans? Greeks? hard to say. From what little I know about it, I think they mostly used something else in its place.
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OK, time for standard 20 questions

Is Chris bigger than a spoon? Loaf of bread? Go cart? Mini car? Van? bigger?

Made out of...
Wood? Metal? Plastic? Rubber? Fur? Cotton? Polyester?
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Crazypalpig:
OK, time for standard 20 questions There's quite a few standard questions that haven't been even touched yet...

Is Chris bigger than a spoon?
Loaf of bread? bigger than this
Go cart? smaller, but taller, than this
Mini car? Van? bigger?

Made out of...
Wood?
Metal? this, but not all that important
Plastic?
Rubber?
Fur?
Cotton?
Polyester?
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Is something being personified?

quote:

Was SOMEONE being delivered? yes! in a way!


Does this mean that the item being delivered was similar or named after a person?
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Crazypalpig:

Is something being personified? kind of.

Does [the above] mean that the item being delivered was similar or named after a person? He's not named after a person.

Recap:

She delivered him, euthanizing him more quickly than anyone else on record.

'He' isn't a person, an animal, a robot, a machine, or anything anyone would normally consider as anything but an inanimate object.

He cannot speak.

He was burned.

He had a name.
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Does he have any writing on him?
He was burned, but he's made of metal... sound a little odd, is it worth exploring?
Is "he" a unique thing? (the necklace that Kate Winslett wore in Titanic) or a general type of thing? (shoes which hurt your feet)
Is he identified by association with any real person?
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Bentarm:
Does he have any writing on him? no writing, but there's a symbol on all sides
He was burned, but he's made of metal... sound a little odd, is it worth exploring? seemed a little odd to me too, ... but there's a much more accurate word for 'burned'
Is "he" a unique thing? I'm pretty sure he's unique, though I may be wrong (the necklace that Kate Winslett wore in Titanic)
or a general type of thing? (shoes which hurt your feet) in the sense that the necklace that Kate Winslett wore also qualifies as a 'necklace', yeah
Is he identified by association with any real person? no
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Is the same symbol on each side? Does he have four sides? 6? 8? 10? some odd number? Is he cuboid? any sort of prism? pyramid? truncated pyramid?
Was he burned deliberately? burned during the delivery? burned on entering the earth's atmosphere? (for some reason I'm getting Smallville plotlines in my head)
Other things of the same type as him, have they been delivered? if they have, have they "died"?
Is he identified by association with any fictional person?
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Bentarm:
Is the same symbol on each side? yes
Does he have four sides? 6? yes 8? 10? some odd number?
Is he cuboid? YES
any sort of prism? pyramid? truncated pyramid?

Was he burned deliberately? yes
burned during the delivery? yes
burned on entering the earth's atmosphere? (for some reason I'm getting Smallville plotlines in my head) no, there's a better word for 'burned'

Other things of the same type as him, have they been delivered? yes. exactly the same as him.

and now that you mention it, he isn't unique, as stated directly above. sorry for the confusion

if they have, have they "died"? yes
Is he identified by association with any fictional person? no
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Is he a cube? Is the length of his longest edge 20cm? 30? 40? 50? 60? 70? 80? 90? 100? 110? 120? 130? 140? 150? 160? 170? 180? 190? 2m?
Is the length of his second longest edge 20cm? 30? 40? 50? 60? 70? 80? 90? 100? 110? 120? 130? 140? 150? 160? 170? 180? 190? 2m?
Is the length of his shortest edge 20cm? 30? 40? 50? 60? 70? 80? 90? 100? 110? 120? 130? 140? 150? 160? 170? 180? 190? 2m?

Did he melt when he was burned?
Is any sort of show business/entertainment relevant?
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Is he a cube? YES

Is the length of his longest edge 20cm? 30? 40? 50? 60? 70? 80? 90? 100? 110? 120? 130? 140? 150? 160? 170? 180? 190? 2m? My best estimate is about three to four feet.
Is the length of his second longest edge 20cm? 30? 40? 50? 60? 70? 80? 90? 100? 110? 120? 130? 140? 150? 160? 170? 180? 190? 2m? It's a cube.

Did he melt when he was burned? no clue, probably
Is any sort of show business/entertainment relevant? entertainment, kinda, but not in the way you'd think
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does the phrase "huge success" apply here?
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Visconti:
does the phrase "huge success" apply here?
why yes it does

Keep going, or spoil after I get back from class?
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After he was burned, could you still read the symbols on the side of him, were the symbols number? relevant what number?
After he was: baked? branded? broiled? charred? conflagarated? cooked? cremated? incinerated? roasted? scorched? toasted? was he still useful in any way?
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I can't believe I asked so many questions early on, all the while singing the title song in my head each time I came back to check for updates.

I'll let you spoil it when you feel necessary, as my jump to the solution had more to do with knowing what its like to euthanise a cube *sad* and less to do with getting there via a lateral solution.

I'll lob this out to the rest of the guessers, tho: the entire time I pictured this happening at night with a dark alley / shady going-ons type of feel, when in reality its a much more pristine/clean/monitored environment.

Tweek: Where's my cake?
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Bentarm:
After he was burned, could you still read the symbols on the side of him, were the symbols number? relevant what number? There likely wasn't anything left of him, symbols included.
After he was: baked? branded? broiled? charred? conflagarated? cooked? cremated?
incinerated? YES
roasted? scorched? toasted?
was he still useful in any way? no

Visconti:
I can't believe I asked so many questions early on, all the while singing the title song in my head each time I came back to check for updates. O_o
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Were the symbols numbers? pictures? pictures of people? animals?
So we have a 3-4ft cube that you can't open, and which has no wires, but which serves some practical purpose, right?
Does he have any electrical parts at all? any moving parts?
So when she "delivered" him, did she deliver him to the incinerator? was he incinerated in a home? prior to incinerating him, did she own him?
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is this based on fiction? movie? book? anime? something else?
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Bentarm:
Were the symbols numbers? pictures? closest pictures of people? animals?
So we have a 3-4ft cube that you can't open, and which has no wires, but which serves some practical purpose, right? correct.
Does he have any electrical parts at all? any moving parts? zero.
So when she "delivered" him, did she deliver him to the incinerator? yes
was he incinerated in a home? 'in a home'? in a house? no.
prior to incinerating him, did she own him? no

Sixtyeight:
is this based on fiction? yes
movie? book? anime? something else? something else

Visconti:
I'll let you spoil it when you feel necessary, as my jump to the solution had more to do with knowing what its like to euthanise a cube *sad*

;_;

and less to do with getting there via a lateral solution.

Looking back, to be honest, the puzzle statement only really makes sense when considered in that context.

The puzzle's also massively unfair. An inanimate cube that is euthanized in an incinerator, that cannot talk - looking at that statement, you'd think I was on acid or something.

I was recapping the puzzle continually and clarifying more than usual in hopes that someone would eventually go 'gee, this looks familiar', since I mostly did this puzzle on the assumption that at the very least a few people on a puzzle forum would know what I was talking about. For a while I didn't think anyone would. I did put in a small hint in case that no one knew anything about it though...


I'll lob this out to the rest of the guessers, tho: the entire time I pictured this happening at night with a dark alley / shady going-ons type of feel, when in reality its a much more pristine/clean/monitored environment. This is mostly true, although you could say there are a few shady goings-on.

Tweek: Where's my cake?
the cake is a lie
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a play? a song? piece of artwork? tv movie? special? series? poem? literature? video game? cartoon strip? stand-up comedy? folklore?
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Sixtyeight:
a play? a song? piece of artwork? tv movie? special? series? poem? literature? video game? this cartoon strip? stand-up comedy? folklore?
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RPG?
MMORPG?
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Sixtyeight:
RPG?
MMORPG? neither
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is the end of the game relevant?
saving the game?
power loss?
a problem in playing the game?
a problem encountered within game play?
do the events in the statement depict normal game play?
does the cube give any hint to the name of the game?
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Sixtyeight:
is the end of the game relevant? no
saving the game? no
power loss? no
a problem in playing the game? no
a problem encountered within game play? no
do the events in the statement depict normal game play? yes
does the cube give any hint to the name of the game? if you have played it, and you've gotten this far in the puzzle, you'll know what the cube is.

if you haven't, the puzzle details probably won't help, but there's a hint from the beginning of this puzzle, a very basic thing, that you could use to figure out what game it is.
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Rather than let this one drag on until someone googles the title, I'll just spoil it now:

SPOILER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIbgG6g2Xjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqQISNKWZSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOeYJ0mzpZU


'she', 'Alice' = the protagonist; you.
'he', 'Chris' = the Weighted Companion Cube.
'deliver to Bob' = to the incinerator.


Basically, it's just a cube that you carry with you throughout the level with a heart-shaped symbol on it. Throughout the level the player is continually reminded by the that the cube isn't alive, mostly to make the player hold onto it:

Symptoms most commonly produced by Enrichment Center testing are superstition, perceiving inanimate objects as alive, and hallucinations. The Enrichment Center reminds you that the Weighted Companion Cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak.


Since carrying a cube around with you the rest of the game would be kind of boring, at the end of the level you dispose of it. For dramatic effect, you're told to euthanize it instead. If you hesitate you hear stuff like:

Although the euthanizing process is remarkably painful, 8 out of 10 Aperture Science engineers believe that the Companion Cube is most likely incapable of feeling much pain.

If it could talk - and the Enrichment Center takes this opportunity to remind you that it cannot - it would tell you to go on without it because it would rather die in a fire than become a burden to you.

The Companion Cube cannot remain through the testing. State and local statutory regulations prohibit it from simply remaining here, alone and companionless. You must euthanize it.

Ironic that the most memorable (and most popular) character from the Orange Box is ... a cube.


Most people that have played this game have seen their character through a portal, and know that she is female. Towards the end of the game it is suggested that the Weighted Companion Cube was male:

I'd just like to point out that you were given every opportunity to succeed. There was even going to be a party for you. A big party, one that all your friends were invited to. I invited your best friend, the companion cube, but of course, he couldn't come because you murdered him. All of your other friends couldn't come either because you don't have any other friends, because of how unlikable you are.
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Questions that were kinda tough to answer:

'is it an item or a living being' - it's a cube, but at least one entity (along with a lot of the previous 'test subjects') definitely considers him to be a lot more than that.

'was she alone' - technically, she was, but she was acting under orders that were being barked out from ... somewhere.

'was her job relevant' - she might have signed on as a test subject, not knowing what she was getting into, or she might have been forced into it somehow, either way it's kind of tough to call it her 'job'.

'Chris's function' - he's just there mostly to take the player through the level. He can store things, but mostly he's useful for his weight, or as a stepping stone, or to block those energy ball things, or...

'was the euthanasia justified' :-(
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That all said, I think Tweek would agree with me, that the game is very fun and recommended - and since it makes use of Portals, it takes half the game just to get comfortable shooting portals to walkthrough and determine how you're come out the other side. By the end, tho, you're flying thru the levels, just to find the damn cake that is promised to you the entire time.

Altho, in the end, as was scribbled on the wall by a former test subject, 'the cake is a lie'.

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