| Author | Message | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 812 Registered: 4-2007 |
When I was very young, I watched a film which was intended for my age group and which could not be said to have any age-inappropriate content at all. Despite this, it has had a lasting effect on me that has continued to this day and is unlikely ever to go away entirely. This effect is so deeply ingrained on me that until recently I didn't realise it was the film that had caused it. What did the film do to me?? | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 94 Registered: 3-2004 |
Bambi? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 816 Registered: 4-2007 |
Bambi? No, though that warped me too... | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 96 Registered: 3-2004 |
Fantasia? What decade was the movie made in? 60's? 70's? 80's? When did you see the film? When a toddler? 4? 6? 8? 10? 12? early teens? late teens? older? Was it a Disney movie? Was it an animated movie? | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 98 Registered: 3-2004 |
Was the effect something that made you believe something was true, or true for all practical purposes? Was the effect something that caused you to be cautious, or even afraid, of something you normally wouldn't? Was the effect something that altered your behavior slightly? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1101 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did it trigger some sort of ocular defect? A hearing problem? Did you watch it in a cinema? Was the effect caused by that particular viewing at that particular time, or would it have happened on any viewing of the film at any time? Did the film contain any associations with your personal or family life at the time? In the light of what happened, would you say that the film is dangerous for other children? Would there be a case for re-classifying the film because of this effect? Is the music of the film relevant? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 863 Registered: 6-2007 |
did you watch the film in a theater? in a home? in school? on the tv? did it have any parts where you would cover your eyes? ears? are there actors? is there real footage? any animation? are you content with the effect of the movie? would you rather be living without the effects? is any aspect of your lifestyle relevant? career? pastime? hobby? interests? are other movies relevant? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 817 Registered: 4-2007 |
Tweek Fantasia? No What decade was the movie made in? 60's? 70's? 80's? 80's When did you see the film? When a toddler? 4? 6? 8? 10? 12? early teens? late teens? older? Must have been some time before the age of 5, can't remember exactly how old I was when I first saw it Was it a Disney movie? Was it an animated movie? Yes to both Was the effect something that made you believe something was true, or true for all practical purposes? No Was the effect something that caused you to be cautious kinda, or even afraid I wouldn't go this far, of something you normally wouldn't? Was the effect something that altered your behavior slightly? Perhaps very slightly Woodworm Did it trigger some sort of ocular defect? A hearing problem? Neither Did you watch it in a cinema? In actual fact I watched it on video, but that's irrelevant Was the effect caused by that particular viewing at that particular time, or would it have happened on any viewing of the film at any time? I doubt the effect would have occurred if I hadn't been so young, but other than that, it could have happened any time Did the film contain any associations with your personal or family life at the time? No In the light of what happened, would you say that the film is dangerous for other children? No Would there be a case for re-classifying the film because of this effect? No Is the music of the film relevant? No Sixtyeight did you watch the film in a theater? in a home? in school? on the tv? On video, but irrelevant - the effect would have occurred wherever I watched it did it have any parts where you would cover your eyes? ears? There were some parts that were scary to me as a young child are there actors? voice actors, see next question is there real footage? no any animation? entirely animation are you content with the effect of the movie? I'm OK with it would you rather be living without the effects? I suppose it would be slightly better to not have the effects, but it doesn't really bother me is any aspect of your lifestyle relevant? no career? pastime? hobby? interests? none are other movies relevant? no, though my viewing of other movies may be affected by this effect | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 864 Registered: 6-2007 |
ok Disney.. easy..(lol).. any of these rel? loss of a parent? loss of a child? Danger? wild animals? | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 99 Registered: 3-2004 |
Fox and the Hound? A lot of early Disney movies build up suspense right before flashing some 'bad guy' on screen. The effect usually works, sometimes too well on kids. Anything similar? Or was 'the effect' more related to the plot? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 818 Registered: 4-2007 |
Sixtyeight ok Disney.. easy..(lol).. any of these rel? loss of a parent? No loss of a child? No Danger? Yes, indirectly wild animals? Again, indirectly Tweek Fox and the Hound? No A lot of early Disney movies build up suspense right before flashing some 'bad guy' on screen. The effect usually works, sometimes too well on kids. Anything similar? Not really Or was 'the effect' more related to the plot? Yope | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 100 Registered: 3-2004 |
The Little Mermaid? Were you able to understand entirely what was going on in the movie? Were you to watch the movie today, would you find inconsistencies between your interpretation at 5 and your interpretation today, that are relevant to this puzzle? Are you cautious of things? animals? that are represented in this movie, that are portrayed with human characteristics (can talk, sing, etc.)? Are you cautious of situations depicted in this movie? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 819 Registered: 4-2007 |
The Little Mermaid? Yes! Were you able to understand entirely what was going on in the movie? Yes Were you to watch the movie today, would you find inconsistencies between your interpretation at 5 and your interpretation today, that are relevant to this puzzle? No, this is not the issue here Are you cautious of things? no animals? yesish that are represented in this movie, that are portrayed with human characteristics (can talk, sing, etc.)? but not this Cautious is probably too strong a word, I'm old enough now to not let this affect my life. There's a better word for it. Are you cautious of situations depicted in this movie? No, though I'd think twice before making deals with evil sea witches :-) | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 101 Registered: 3-2004 |
Subliminal messages relevant? Animals: fish? mermaid? human? octopus? something that can swim? They aren't in the movie as a character? but they make an appearance? or are referred to? Is it more nostalgic? Are you reminded of being afraid, or cautious, or whatever, of this thing every time you see it? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 820 Registered: 4-2007 |
Subliminal messages relevant? No Animals: fish? mermaid? human? octopus? something that can swim? The things I am cautious of? Humans They aren't in the movie as a character? but they make an appearance? or are referred to? yesish Is it more nostalgic? Are you reminded of being afraid This, or cautious, or whatever, of this thing every time you see it? Yes, though it's more subconscious than simply being reminded | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 102 Registered: 3-2004 |
From what little I remember of that movie, everyone is afraid of humans above the water for whatever reason, and there are probably a couple of scenes that develop that. Is that relevant? Specific type of human I'd guess? Sailors? Fishermen? Priests? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3424 Registered: 12-2000 |
I never watched the Little Mermaid, although I do know it was one of my daughter's favourite movie at one point, but I took both children to see the Lion King which was a U, and was horrified at how many children were crying at the scary parts. I felt a real sense of menace in it and felt that it should have been a PG. But I did love the songs :-) | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 821 Registered: 4-2007 |
Tweek From what little I remember of that movie, everyone is afraid of humans above the water for whatever reason, and there are probably a couple of scenes that develop that. Is that relevant? No Specific type of human I'd guess? Yes(ish) Sailors? Fishermen? Priests? No to all Lynne...I see what you mean, the Little Mermaid did actually scare me quite a lot when I was young. As did the Lion King. | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 867 Registered: 6-2007 |
If the Disney version was read to you from a book without pictures would it have had the same effect? or did you need the animation for the effect? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 825 Registered: 4-2007 |
If the Disney version was read to you from a book without pictures would it have had the same effect? Perhaps or did you need the animation for the effect? I'm not really sure. It is relevant that the film was frightening to me as a child, and probably it would have been less frightening if just read as a book, but in theory a book could have had the same effect | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1656 Registered: 8-2006 |
I'm not sure if I can help seeing as I've never seen, or have want to see, the little Mermaid. I'll stick with Star Trek ;) Specific type meaning people having a specific job? Were you constantly scared of bankers or people like that? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 826 Registered: 4-2007 |
I'm not sure if I can help seeing as I've never seen, or have want to see, the little Mermaid. I'll stick with Star Trek ;) Really? You're missing out! ;-) However, an indepth knowledge of the film is not really required except to get the last few details, so you should be fine. Specific type meaning people having a specific job? Not this Were you constantly scared of bankers or people like that? No | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 107 Registered: 3-2004 |
Humans. As in, non-mythological, average humans? Or as in, mythological humanoids, like mermen or sea octopus witch things? Were they actually on the screen at one point? few seconds? few minutes? did the plot revolve around them? refer to them? If there was a scene or small bit of the film that included them, was it intentionally set up to scare the audience a bit? grab their attention? I remember reading something about Disney kids movies. They aren't always at Barney-ish levels of inanity - there's always some type of conflict, and they're often set up specifically to scare kids at some point, but not too much. Maybe that's why they're so successful? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 836 Registered: 4-2007 |
Humans. As in, non-mythological, average humans? This, but may be misleading...it's not exactly humans themselves... Or as in, mythological humanoids, like mermen or sea octopus witch things? No Were they actually on the screen at one point? No few seconds? few minutes? did the plot revolve around them? refer to them? Yesish If there was a scene or small bit of the film that included them, was it intentionally set up to scare the audience a bit? grab their attention? N/A I remember reading something about Disney kids movies. They aren't always at Barney-ish levels of inanity - there's always some type of conflict, and they're often set up specifically to scare kids at some point, but not too much. Maybe that's why they're so successful? Well, I find a lot of Disney movies still hold up to viewing at this age...so you may well have a point there | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 108 Registered: 3-2004 |
Were the mermaids / mermen / whatever the hell else, along with the token romantic interest of third-party marketable main character, referring to some object that some humans use? | ||
| Sparkplug1 (Sparkplug1)
New member Username: Sparkplug1 Post Number: 120 Registered: 6-2007 |
are you a vegetarian? don't eat fish? similar? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 837 Registered: 4-2007 |
Were the mermaids / mermen / whatever the hell else, along with the token romantic interest of third-party marketable main character, referring to some object that some humans use? No are you a vegetarian? don't eat fish? similar? No to all, though this is a very good thought | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 113 Registered: 3-2004 |
It's not humans in particular? But a particular kind of human activity? Such as pollution, offshore oil drilling, etc.? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 838 Registered: 4-2007 |
It's not humans in particular? It's a particulay "type" (for want of a better word) of human But a particular kind of human activity? Such as pollution, offshore oil drilling, etc.? No | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 116 Registered: 3-2004 |
A certain subclass of humans? With some immediate visually distinguishing feature? Merely affecting appearance? More functional, such as prosthetic limbs? Or more to do with a particular behavior of humans? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 839 Registered: 4-2007 |
A certain subclass of humans? Yes, though it's not so much the humans as the characteristic they share With some immediate visually distinguishing feature? No Merely affecting appearance? More functional, such as prosthetic limbs? Neither Or more to do with a particular behavior of humans? Not this either | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 871 Registered: 6-2007 |
Men? Women??? | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 120 Registered: 3-2004 |
Does it relate to something they do? something they're likely to do? Are these humans able to control this characteristic? Would you be able to ask someone to stop doing whatever it is that makes you nervous, kind of? (I'm expecting FA) Is it an inherited trait? What's your apprehension (as a kid), were you slightly expecting something positive? something negative? | ||
| Alanlin (Alanlin)
New member Username: Alanlin Post Number: 35 Registered: 6-2007 |
Were you afraid that you or other people would lose your voice? Or that people you knew might inexplicably transform into merpeople without warning? | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 126 Registered: 3-2004 |
Oh, yeah, I remember that movie now, you thought that deaf people could somehow regain their voice. | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 127 Registered: 3-2004 |
Err, mute. Disregard above, though deaf kinda works too. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 844 Registered: 4-2007 |
Sixtyeight Men? Women??? This, but not all women Tweek Does it relate to something they do? something they're likely to do? Neither Are these humans able to control this characteristic? They could, in theory, but they're not going to do it just because of a film I watched as a kid Would you be able to ask someone to stop doing whatever it is that makes you nervous, kind of? (I'm expecting FA)erm, yes, FA and also see answer to previous question Is it an inherited trait? No What's your apprehension (as a kid), were you slightly expecting something positive? something negative? The association with the characteristic in my mind was negative, if that's what you mean Alanlin Were you afraid that you or other people would lose your voice? No Or that people you knew might inexplicably transform into merpeople without warning? No Tweek Oh, yeah, I remember that movie now, you thought that deaf people could somehow regain their voice. Err, mute. Disregard above, though deaf kinda works too. This is not it | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 148 Registered: 3-2004 |
I was almost positive that the deaf thing would work. Women that in some way mimic characteristics of Ariel, a mermaid? Something they're wearing? doing? saying? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 847 Registered: 4-2007 |
I was almost positive that the deaf thing would work. Sorry...it was a good try, but surely I would know by now that it's not true? Women that in some way mimic characteristics of Ariel, a mermaid? No Something they're wearing? doing? saying? None | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 150 Registered: 3-2004 |
There are no women on screen at all in the film with this characteristic? Is it accurate to call it a 'characteristic'? But the film is the direct reason for your kinda apprehension that isn't really there anymore? Did any of the musical numbers trigger it? the main plot, and none of the extra effects, which from Wikipedia seems to be about a mermaid that comes to the surface to find True Love(tm)? any of the small details? any 'boss fight' sequences? any of the third-party marketable minor characters added for comedic relief, like that damn flounder fish that my sister still probably has a plush doll of somewhere? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 848 Registered: 4-2007 |
There are no women on screen at all in the film with this characteristic? Hmm, this is very difficult to answer, but I'd say yope Is it accurate to call it a 'characteristic'? Yes, though there's a much more accurate term for it But the film is the direct reason for your kinda apprehension that isn't really there anymore? Yes Did any of the musical numbers trigger it? the main plot, and none of the extra effects, which from Wikipedia seems to be about a mermaid that comes to the surface to find True Love(tm)? any of the small details? any 'boss fight' sequences? any of the third-party marketable minor characters added for comedic relief, like that damn flounder fish that my sister still probably has a plush doll of somewhere? Not these, but otherwise the plot and film in general and one detail in particular | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 153 Registered: 3-2004 |
Do you not know whether there are women ever on the screen? Did you think there were as a kid, but realize that there weren't, but think that there might still be at least one later? If you told me what it was, right now, and I were to sit through all 90 minutes of it, and by some miracle not claw my eyes out with a fork halfway in, would I be able to very clearly tell whether there were or weren't? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 849 Registered: 4-2007 |
Do you not know whether there are women ever on the screen? It's not that I don't know... Did you think there were as a kid, but realize that there weren't, but think that there might still be at least one later? No If you told me what it was, right now, and I were to sit through all 90 minutes of it, and by some miracle not claw my eyes out with a fork halfway in, would I be able to very clearly tell whether there were or weren't? You'd have the same problem I do...OK, hint time: Although the people I am kinda apprehensive of are women, the thing in the film that triggered this apprehension is not exactly a woman... | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 837 Registered: 4-2007 |
ok, couple of ideas (though i haven't seen the film in a number of years--and I was an adult or young adult when I saw the film, so no lasting effects on me--that I know of!) anything to do with the fact that you didn't see women on the film? maybe saw ariel's father and were confused about the lack of females or mothers? anything to do with ursula (I think she is an octopus, but very womanly)--anything that she said or did? anything about what you have to do (or thought you had to do) to snag a man? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 851 Registered: 4-2007 |
ok, couple of ideas (though i haven't seen the film in a number of years--and I was an adult or young adult when I saw the film, so no lasting effects on me--that I know of!) anything to do with the fact that you didn't see women on the film? maybe saw ariel's father and were confused about the lack of females or mothers? Not this anything to do with ursula YES!! (for those who haven't seen the film,Ursula is the "baddy") (I think she is an octopus, but very womanly)--anything that she said or did? Nothing specific that she said or did anything about what you have to do (or thought you had to do) to snag a man? No | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 156 Registered: 3-2004 |
Do you think of an octopus whenever you see someone in drag...? Anything to do with a voice-stealing necklace? Do specific names trigger this effect, like those referred to in the movie? Is there some detail in the film that we need to point to? or is knowing that Ursula is the villain enough to solve this? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 855 Registered: 4-2007 |
Do you think of an octopus whenever you see someone in drag...? No... Anything to do with a voice-stealing necklace? No Do specific names trigger this effect, like those referred to in the movie? YES! Well on the way now. Is there some detail in the film that we need to point to? or is knowing that Ursula is the villain enough to solve this? That's enough | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 158 Registered: 3-2004 |
Flotsam? Jetsam? Ursula? Vanessa? (I'm reading straight from Wikipedia) | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 858 Registered: 4-2007 |
Flotsam? Jetsam? Ursula? Vanessa? (I'm reading straight from Wikipedia) :-)...it's Ursula | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 159 Registered: 3-2004 |
Seems like kind of a weird name ... but, whenever you see or hear the name 'Ursula', you think back to that movie, and of the octopus villain? which makes your first impression of that person, character or whatever a negative one? Wikipedia also shows Ursula as the first Bond girl and some character in a sitcom. Relevant? Is this somewhat related to how Disney seems to pull character names from pretty much anything? e.g., Iago (the parrot) in Aladdin | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 859 Registered: 4-2007 |
Seems like kind of a weird name ... but, whenever you see or hear the name 'Ursula', you think back to that movie, and of the octopus villain? which makes your first impression of that person, character or whatever a negative one? Kinda, but I don't exactly form a negative impression of the person...it's more simple than that. Wikipedia also shows Ursula as the first Bond girl and some character in a sitcom. Relevant? No, except I think probably the sitcom character is where I first encountered he name Ursula (after the Little Mermaid) Is this somewhat related to how Disney seems to pull character names from pretty much anything? e.g., Iago (the parrot) in Aladdin No, where Disney got the name from is not relevant | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 161 Registered: 3-2004 |
You watched the sitcom, you heard the name 'Ursula', and were half-expecting some drag queen octopus thing to walk into the room? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 838 Registered: 4-2007 |
so, when you hear the name Ursuala, you sort of shudder and think, "ugh!" (thinking back on the character)? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 860 Registered: 4-2007 |
You watched the sitcom, you heard the name 'Ursula', and were half-expecting some drag queen octopus thing to walk into the room? No, nothing this extreme... so, when you hear the name Ursuala, you sort of shudder and think, "ugh!" (thinking back on the character)? Kinda, but again not that extreme...I'm not really sure whether to $poil or not, since the answer is so simple and you probably already know it but are just over complicating the issue...I'll $poil later today if nobody hits the nail on the head | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 840 Registered: 4-2007 |
ok, last try before I have to leave this morning--whenever you hear the name Ursula, you think of the character on Little Mermaid--no ugh or anything, just thinking about the character? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 865 Registered: 4-2007 |
ok, last try before I have to leave this morning--whenever you hear the name Ursula, you think of the character on Little Mermaid--no ugh or anything, just thinking about the character? Yes,and the result of this is...? (remember I said the result is never likely to go away. I'm old enough now that I wouldn't treat people differently just because they're called Ursula, so what is the lingering effect?) | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1528 Registered: 6-2001 |
Are there any relevant songs in the film? hearing the name makes you start singing a song with the name "ursula" in it? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 872 Registered: 4-2007 |
Are there any relevant songs in the film? hearing the name makes you start singing a song with the name "ursula" in it? No... I'm going to spoil now, since I'm not going to be able to answer questions for the next few days and it's silly to drag it out since everyone has come so close. ***** SPOILER ***** When I was young and impressionable, I watched The Little Mermaid. Although it was suitable for my age group, I found some parts quite frightening, especially the character of the sea witch Ursula. The lasting effect has been, quite simply, that I dislike Ursula as a name. Since it's a pretty uncommon name, I never really thought about this until I was watching the sitcom Friends, in which a character has an evil twin called Ursula. It occurred to me that Ursula was a suitable name for that character, since to me it is an "ugly" name (no offence to any Ursulas here!). It wasn't until later that I really thought about why this was, but I realised that it was because of the villain in the film that I hadn't watched in about 10 years. Althoug it doesn't affect my life negatively, I probably will never get over my dislike of the name (fortunately I have never met any real life Ursulas, but I hope if I did I wouldn't treat them differently because they happened to have the same name as the character!!) | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 841 Registered: 4-2007 |
Good one! Did you know that Lisa Kudrow, who played both Phoebe and Ursula Buffay on Friends, also played Ursula on the sitcom Mad About You? She was a ditzy waitress and had a recurring role in the show. (If you watched Mad About You, you would have found out your dislike for the name a couple of years earlier!) | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 873 Registered: 4-2007 |
Really? I've never really watched Mad About You...just the odd episode. And Ursula is a waitress in Friends too, so... Thanks for playing! | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 883 Registered: 6-2007 |
For the same reason I decided not to name my daughter Cruella de Vil!! Nice puzzle.. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 876 Registered: 4-2007 |
:D Thanks! |
