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Bodo (Bodo)
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Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maya the pit bull not only saved her owner from an attack but was instrumental in getting the suspect arrested, even though he got away at the time and was unknown to the victim. How'd she do that?

If you've seen/heard this please donut $poil, thanks ever so.
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Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 11:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ok, lets do a few of these unless someone beats me to it..

her owner = Maya's owner?
he = "the suspect"?
she = Maya?
the victim = the owner?
Maya = C? A? F?
Owner H? A? M? F?
suspect.. H? A? M?
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Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 12:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Maya present during the attack? Did she bite the suspect?
Did she ever see the suspect again after the attack?
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Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 1:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sixtyeight Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 11:54 pm:

ok, lets do a few of these unless someone beats me to it..

her owner = Maya's owner? Yup.
he = "the suspect"? Yeppers.
she = Maya? Yes.
the victim = the owner? Yes.
Maya = C? A? F? Yes to all.
Owner H? A? M? F? HAF
suspect.. H? A? M? Yes to all.

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Bentarm Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 12:45 am:

Was Maya present during the attack? Yes. Did she bite the suspect? Yes.
Did she ever see the suspect again after the attack? No.
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Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 1:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Maya do anything to "ID" the suspect after the incident?
is barking relevant?
did the suspect enter the victim's home? and encounter Maya? was the victim in the home?
did the victim ever see the suspect?
relevant motive for attack?
was the suspect treated for his wounds?
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Did the suspect catch anything from Maya's bite? Did he have to go to hospital?
Was he identified by something related to the fact Maya bit him? Did he leave some DNA behind in her mouth? Did she leave some behind on his body? Are dogbites like fingerprints, so they knew it was Maya that had bitten him?
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Sixtyeight Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 1:28 am:

Did Maya do anything to "ID" the suspect after the incident? Yope.
is barking relevant? No.
did the suspect enter the victim's home? No. and encounter Maya? Yes/yope. was the victim in the home? Not quite.
did the victim ever see the suspect? Yes.
relevant motive for attack? No.

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Bentarm Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 1:36 pm:

Did the suspect catch anything from Maya's bite? No. Did he have to go to hospital? Don't know.
Was he identified by something related to the fact Maya bit him? Yes. Did he leave some DNA behind Yes. in her mouth? No. Did she leave some behind on his body? No. Are dogbites like fingerprints, so they knew it was Maya that had bitten him? No.
was the suspect treated for his wounds? Don't know.
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Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 3:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the suspect step in doo-doo? discard his shoes?
did the suspect bite Maya? bite anything/anyone? attempt to restrain Maya?

did he have a relevant plan to deal with Maya? that failed?

was there suspect DNA on Maya's claws?
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Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 6:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sixtyeight Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 3:01 pm:

Did the suspect step in doo-doo? Strangely, this is not disclosed in the article. discard his shoes? Nor this.
did the suspect bite Maya? No. bite anything/anyone? No. attempt to restrain Maya? Yes.

did he have a relevant plan to deal with Maya? No. that failed? So, no.

was there suspect DNA on Maya's claws? No.
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Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 7:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is any weapon relevant?
did he attempt to restrain Maya with a weapon?
is another item relevant which is not a dedicated weapon? rope? chain? squeezie-toy?
Did Maya meet the suspect outside the victim's house?
Did Maya remain attached to the suspect?
Did Maya have any relevant training?
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Sixtyeight Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 7:33 pm:

is any weapon relevant? No.
did he attempt to restrain Maya with a weapon? No.
is another item relevant which is not a dedicated weapon? rope? chain? squeezie-toy? No to all.
Did Maya meet the suspect outside the victim's house? Yes. I might need to clear something up - when I answered "yes" to an attempt to restrain Maya I was thinking about what he was doing when she came at him, if that makes sense (i. e. restraining her from tearing his throat out type stuff).
Did Maya remain attached to the suspect? No.
Did Maya have any relevant training? No.
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Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 12:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he leave anything other than DNA behind? like a hand?
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Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 12:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bentarm Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 12:11 am:

Did he leave anything other than DNA behind? like a hand? No (although that does sound like an appropriate thing for the forum...)
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Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 12:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So was he found because he left DNA behind?
He didn't leave any relevant fingerprints?
If he hadn't been bitten, would Maya still have been able to help the police find him?
Is it relevant where this took place?
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Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 12:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

thinking of things that might (I think) be able to identify dna: did the suspect leave hair behind? saliva? a nail? some skin?
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Bentarm Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 12:42 am:

So was he found because he left DNA behind? That's the gist of it.
He didn't leave any relevant fingerprints? Nope.
If he hadn't been bitten, would Maya still have been able to help the police find him? No.
Is it relevant where this took place? It was local (to me).

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Booklover Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 12:51 am:

thinking of things that might (I think) be able to identify dna: did the suspect leave hair behind? saliva? a nail? some skin? None of these.
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Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I meant more, is it relevant where this took place as in: someone's house? someone's garden? someone's place of work? a butcher? a baker? a candlestick maker?
Were the police able to track him because they already had a sample of his DNA? and they found some of his DNA somewhere at the scene of the crime thanks to Maya? Was the DNA found on Maya? in Maya? on anything she was wearing? at the place where the attack took place?
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Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 6:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it the suspect's DNA?
is the DNA mingled with another object? like clothing?
When Maya bit Suspect did Suspect lose anything?
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Bentarm Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 5:07 pm:

I meant more, is it relevant where this took place as in: someone's house? someone's garden? someone's place of work? a butcher? a baker? a candlestick maker? Ah. Not really - it was at the entrance to the victim's home.
Were the police able to track him because they already had a sample of his DNA? Yes. and they found some of his DNA somewhere at the scene of the crime thanks to Maya? Yes. Was the DNA found on Maya? Yes. in Maya? on anything she was wearing? No to the rest. at the place where the attack took place? Correct.

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Sixtyeight Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 6:25 pm:

is it the suspect's DNA? Yes.
is the DNA mingled with another object? like clothing? No to these (see above).
When Maya bit Suspect did Suspect lose anything? Yes(ish - possibly misleading).
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it's blood?
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Sixtyeight Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 8:05 pm:

it's blood? Yes, yes it is.
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*Whew* That's good.... I'm glad we didn't have to break out the list of stuff that has DNA.. it's just not pretty!

So Maya bit Suspect, Suspect bled on Maya, then Suspect ran away?
then Ms. Owner reported the case to the police?
Did they immediately collect DNA samples?

so sometime after this incident Mr. Suspect was arrested for another crime?
at any point was he wanted for another crime?
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Sixtyeight Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 10:42 pm:

So Maya bit Suspect, Suspect bled on Maya, then Suspect ran away? Exactly.
then Ms. Owner reported the case to the police? She called right away to report the assault.
Did they immediately collect DNA samples? Imagine trying to swab down an angry pit bull...yes, that's what they did (and it was indeed a challenge).

so sometime after this incident Mr. Suspect was arrested for another crime? No.
at any point was he wanted for another crime? Yes. I think it's close enough to spoyl, unless you want to drag out the last few details. Whatcha think?
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So soon after the crime, the suspect was arrested for another crime...and then treated by the police surgeon for an existing dog bite ..which proved to match to Maya's so...
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I'm thinking more, he was arrested for another crime, they took a sample of the DNA, and the clever labaratory man (or possibly the computer) said "oh, this is the same DNA we found in that dog's mouth the other week, unless the fella has an identical twin, something very fishy is going on"
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Tsoram1970 Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 1:16 am:

So soon after the crime, the suspect was arrested for another crime...and then treated by the police surgeon for an existing dog bite ..which proved to match to Maya's so... No, but...

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Bentarm Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 1:23 am:

I'm thinking more, he was arrested for another crime, they took a sample of the DNA, and the clever labaratory man (or possibly the computer) said "oh, this is the same DNA we found in that dog's mouth the other week, unless the fella has an identical twin, something very fishy is going on" This is closer - I think it's time to write the

***** Spoiler *****
Indeed, as the victim (remaining anonymous) was about to enter her home she was attacked, and she fought back but was not strong enough and he started choking her. She had, however, managed to get the door open and Maya came streaking out to dissuade the suspect (Anthony Easley), who was attempting to fend her off while still holding the victim by the throat. At this point the victim took, ah, "matters" into her own hand, so to speak, which caused him to let go and flee (she restrained Maya at this point). When the police arrived, the victim had to hold Maya behind a door while an officer reached around to swab a spot just above her teeth (she was still a bit frenzied). The state of Cafilnoria (and likely other places) routinely takes DNA samples from anyone convicted of a felony or arrested for/charged with a homicide or sex offense, and Mr. Easley had two previous sexual felonies. Since he was otherwise unknown to the victim and didn't leave any other evidence, there was pretty much no other way he would've gotten caught.

Maya, by the way, got a two-pound steak after the attack. This is from the San Jose Mercury News on Friday, Oct. 26: Bully!

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