| Author | Message | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 918 Registered: 4-2007 |
If they had both been careful, she would have died. And if they had both been careless, she would have died. As it was, she lived. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 776 Registered: 11-2003 |
Both they and both are the same two persons? All 3 she the same person? Is she part of 'they'? She=h?a? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 920 Registered: 4-2007 |
Both they and both are the same two persons? Both "they"s are the same All 3 she the same person? Yes Is she part of 'they'? Yes She=h?a? Yes to both | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 921 Registered: 4-2007 |
Oops, I kind of misread your first question...the "they"s are the same, and the "both"s are the same | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1930 Registered: 6-2006 |
The other one of "they": H? A? M? As it was: "She" was careful and the other careless? "She" was careless and the other careful? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 922 Registered: 4-2007 |
The other one of "they": H? A? M? Yes/yes/yes but irrel As it was: "She" was careful and the other careless? "She" was careless and the other careful? This one | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 778 Registered: 11-2003 |
Would she have survived if she had been the careful one? Is the relationship between them relevant? Do they know each other? Are they being careful/careless at the same time? If not, relevant how long it is in between? | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 68 Registered: 11-2007 |
Did he die? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 923 Registered: 4-2007 |
Would she have survived if she had been the careful one? So long as he had been careless, yes Is the relationship between them relevant? Yes Do they know each other? No but not really relevant Are they being careful/careless at the same time? No If not, relevant how long it is in between? Not really, but it would have to be under a certain period of time...let's say between 10 minutes and 30 minutes | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 924 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did he die? No | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 780 Registered: 11-2003 |
I guess we should try to determine what they were doing when they were careful/careless? Are they doing the same thing? Any jobs relevant? Had they ever met? Did they meet during? or after this? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 926 Registered: 4-2007 |
I guess we should try to determine what they were doing when they were careful/careless? Yes Are they doing the same thing? No Any jobs relevant? Yesish Had they ever met? Did they meet during? or after this? They met afterwards, or during depending on you definition of "this", and they might have met before, the puzzle would work either way. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 927 Registered: 4-2007 |
I made a small blooper at 11:00pm: If not, relevant how long it is in between? Not really, but it would have to be under a certain period of time...let's say between 10 minutes and 30 minutes My answer should have been: Not really, but they happened during the same day | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1129 Registered: 6-2005 |
Car accident relevant? Another kind of accident? Ice relevant? Careful = pumping brakes? Careless = slamming on breaks? Because each did one or the other, but not both the same - the way they collided wasn't as nasty? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1019 Registered: 6-2007 |
was one of them careful and the other careless? if yes, was he careful? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 928 Registered: 4-2007 |
Car accident relevant? No Another kind of accident? Yes Ice relevant? No Careful = pumping brakes? Careless = slamming on breaks? Because each did one or the other, but not both the same - the way they collided wasn't as nasty? No, but good thought | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 929 Registered: 4-2007 |
was one of them careful and the other careless? Yes if yes, was he careful? Yes | ||
| Lshooter3k (Lshooter3k)
New member Username: Lshooter3k Post Number: 79 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did her carelessness come first? or did his carefulness come first? Is this relevant? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 930 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did her carelessness come first? This or did his carefulness come first? Is this relevant? Yes | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1120 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is she a knife-thrower's assistant? One of those women who gets sawn in half in a circus? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 931 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is she a knife-thrower's assistant? One of those women who gets sawn in half in a circus? No to both | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1139 Registered: 6-2005 |
Are any of these professions relevant? Were the two people involved any of the following: Artistic/musical/writer? Banking/financial/real estate? Clerical/Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Law enforcement? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation ? Food Service ? Sports? Jailbird / Criminal? Religion? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 932 Registered: 4-2007 |
Are any of these professions relevant? Were the two people involved any of the following: Artistic/musical/writer? Banking/financial/real estate? Clerical/Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Law enforcement? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation ? Food Service ? Sports? Jailbird / Criminal? This for him, her profession is not relevant Religion? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1163 Registered: 6-2005 |
Was the guy going to kill her? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1164 Registered: 6-2005 |
Was the guy going to kill her? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 936 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the guy going to kill her? Yes How did you manage to double post at the same time? If I do that it comes up with a message saying "You probably hit the button twice" ad only posts the message once. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 787 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did her carelessness mean that she wasn't at a certain spot at a certain time? Was she injured because of her carelessness? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 938 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did her carelessness mean that she wasn't at a certain spot at a certain time? Hmm, yes, but indirectly Was she injured because of her carelessness? No | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 792 Registered: 11-2003 |
If she hadn't been careless, would she then have been at point A? And he would also have been there and then killed her? But she was careless, and indirectly because of that she was not at point A, so he couldn't kill her? Did her carelessness trigger at set of events that caused her not to be at point A? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 939 Registered: 4-2007 |
If she hadn't been careless, would she then have been at point A? And he would also have been there and then killed her? But she was careless, and indirectly because of that she was not at point A, so he couldn't kill her? Yes, this is correct Did her carelessness trigger at set of events that caused her not to be at point A? Yes, but other factors came into it as well | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 793 Registered: 11-2003 |
Let's give these people names, lol.. Sheila and John, perhaps? You said that they don't know each other. But John was going to kill Sheila? Was he planning to kill her specifically? or just anyone? Was someone else killed instead? If he intended to kill Sheila and noone else, is it relevant why? (seeing as they don't know each other) Was John going to kill Sheila in her home? workplace? in someone else's home? in a public building? somewhere else indoors? outdoors? Is it relevant how he was going to kill her? Was she careless with some sort of tool? did she slip? spill something? was someone else hurt? if so, did she take that person to hospital or doctor? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 940 Registered: 4-2007 |
Let's give these people names, lol.. Sheila and John, perhaps? Sure, why not? You said that they don't know each other.Correct But John was going to kill Sheila? "Going to" may actually be a bit misleading...it would be more accurate to say "if she had died, it would have been John who killed her" Was he planning to kill her specifically? or just anyone? Neither Was someone else killed instead? No If he intended to kill Sheila and noone else,This is not entirely accurate is it relevant why? (seeing as they don't know each other)but the reason is relevant Was John going to kill Sheila in her home? Yes workplace? in someone else's home? in a public building? somewhere else indoors? outdoors? No to rest Is it relevant how he was going to kill her? No Was she careless with some sort of tool? did she slip? spill something? was someone else hurt? if so, did she take that person to hospital or doctor? No to all | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 800 Registered: 11-2003 |
Would the killing be more of an accident than planned murder? Was John a burglar? if so, did he break in to Sheila's house? and would have killed her if she had been at home? Is it relevant where Sheila was? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 941 Registered: 4-2007 |
Would the killing be more of an accident than planned murder? See next answers Was John a burglar? Yes if so, did he break in to Sheila's house? Yes and would have killed her if she had been at home? Correct Is it relevant where Sheila was? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 942 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is it relevant where Sheila was? Yes | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 108 Registered: 11-2007 |
Was Shelia not at her home when he intended to kill her as a result of his being careful? Did she have an accident as a result of her carelessness? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 801 Registered: 11-2003 |
So Sheila avoided being killed by the burglar John, because she had been careless and was not at home when he broke in to her house. Right? Still confused about the second part though, sigh. Because of her carelessness was Sheila right outside her house? In a car? In someone else house? in a public place? Had she forgotten something somewhere else and had to go back for it? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 944 Registered: 4-2007 |
Sorry Lporter229 and Eli...I could have sworn I answered these yesterday! Was Shelia not at her home when he intended to kill her as a result of his being careful? Did she have an accident as a result of her carelessness? Yes, although he was never "intending" to kill her... see answers above So Sheila avoided being killed by the burglar John, because she had been careless and was not at home when he broke in to her house. Right? Almost...she was not there when he broke in, bu that was nothing to do with her carelessness. The carelessness helped her in a slightly different way. Still confused about the second part though, sigh. :-) Because of her carelessness was Sheila right outside her house? In a car? In someone else house? in a public place? Could you clarify...at what point in the events of the puzzle are you talking about here? Had she forgotten something somewhere else and had to go back for it? No | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1180 Registered: 6-2005 |
Had Sheila carelessly left her door unlocked? And thus the burglar, being thorough/careful, managed to get in, get out, and be gone before she got back? Thus avoiding a rather nasty confrontation? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 946 Registered: 4-2007 |
Had Sheila carelessly left her door unlocked? And thus the burglar, being thorough/careful, managed to get in, get out, and be gone before she got back? Thus avoiding a rather nasty confrontation? No...good thinking though | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 806 Registered: 11-2003 |
I guess it will help to determine in what way Sheila was careless, so let me try. Did she break something? spill something? drop something? forget something? forget someone? did she leave something where it shouldn't have been? did she misplace something? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 947 Registered: 4-2007 |
I guess it will help to determine in what way Sheila was careless, so let me try. Did she break something? No spill something? No drop something? This one is closest but not entirely accurate forget something? No forget someone? No did she leave something where it shouldn't have been? Yesish did she misplace something? No | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 808 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did she lose something? Was something broken? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 949 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did she lose something? Was something broken? Neither | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 812 Registered: 11-2003 |
When she was careless, was she at home? at work? at someone else's house? outdoors? Is the carelessness one single act? or an ongoing thing? Is it something she's doing? or something she forgets to do? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 954 Registered: 4-2007 |
When she was careless, was she at home? This one at work? at someone else's house? outdoors? Is the carelessness one single act? or an ongoing thing? Two closely-related acts Is it something she's doing? This or something she forgets to do? Thanks for starting this one off again! | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 813 Registered: 11-2003 |
You're welcome, just on holidays with very limited access to internet that's why I've been silent for a while Did she do something we all do on a regular basis? If so, did she do some housework? Take a bath? or shower? wash her hair? did she dress herself? exercise? read? watch tv? watch a film? talk on the phone? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 955 Registered: 4-2007 |
You're welcome, just on holidays with very limited access to internet that's why I've been silent for a while That's fine! Did she do something we all do on a regular basis? Nothing relevant If so, did she do some housework? Take a bath? or shower? wash her hair? did she dress herself? exercise? read? watch tv? watch a film? talk on the phone? Irrel to all | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 816 Registered: 11-2003 |
So what she did is not relevant? Does that mean that her carelessness is not directly connected to her actions at the time? is there an item? or items? involved in the careless part of the puzzle? Something she kind-off dropped? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 956 Registered: 4-2007 |
So what she did is not relevant? Does that mean that her carelessness is not directly connected to her actions at the time? She did something careless. The careless thing was not any of the things you listed above,and it is not relevant whether she did any of those things during the course of the puzzle. is there an item? Yes or items? involved in the careless part of the puzzle? Something she kind-off dropped? Yes | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 817 Registered: 11-2003 |
Back at work, ready to get this puzzle started again. I think I will print the whole thing and take with me home tonight so that I can sit back and come up with many "intelligent" questions to ask (and probably some not so intelligent, lol). If they both had been careless, would she have died for the same reason? In this scenario, would it matter in what way they both would have been careless? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 957 Registered: 4-2007 |
Back at work, ready to get this puzzle started again. I think I will print the whole thing and take with me home tonight so that I can sit back and come up with many "intelligent" questions to ask (and probably some not so intelligent, lol). Thanks a lot for your interest! If they both had been careless, would she have died for the same reason? Yes In this scenario, would it matter in what way they both would have been careless? Yes | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 819 Registered: 11-2003 |
If they both had been carelass, would she then have died in the same place, her house? In your reply on 3rd December you said that the relationship between them is relevant. Is there anything else we need to know about this relationship, beyond the fact they are burglar/victim? Regarding my posting on the 10th and your reply on the 12th (Because of her carelessness was Sheila right outside her house? In a car? In someone else house? in a public place? Could you clarify...at what point in the events of the puzzle are you talking about here?). I initially meant where she was when John arrived. Were she any of those places? But in hindsight, I can't find any questions about where Sheila was when she was careless. So where was she; inside her house? right outside her house? in someone else's house? in a shop? public place? at work? outdoors? Also just realized that one basic question hasn't been asked (at least I can't find it), are there any other relevant persons in this puzzle? Did Sheila have to do something as a result of her carelessness? Is the careless action related to her private life? work? someone else? Did her carelessness cause her? or someone else? great annoyance? The relevant item, is it; small enough to hold in the palm of your hand? up to the size of a book? chair? table? car? bigger than any of these? is it made of wood? stone? fabrics? metal? glass? plastic? gas? liquid? is it manmade? natural? any kind of technology relevant? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 958 Registered: 4-2007 |
If they both had been carelass, would she then have died in the same place, her house? Yes In your reply on 3rd December you said that the relationship between them is relevant. Is there anything else we need to know about this relationship, beyond the fact they are burglar/victim? No, this is all you need Regarding my posting on the 10th and your reply on the 12th (Because of her carelessness was Sheila right outside her house? In a car? In someone else house? in a public place? Could you clarify...at what point in the events of the puzzle are you talking about here?). I initially meant where she was when John arrived. Were she any of those places? She was not home when John arrived at her house, it doesn't really matter where she was. This however was not to do with her carelessness...she would have been in the same place even if she had been careful But in hindsight, I can't find any questions about where Sheila was when she was careless. So where was she; inside her house? This one right outside her house? in someone else's house? in a shop? public place? at work? outdoors? Also just realized that one basic question hasn't been asked (at least I can't find it), are there any other relevant persons in this puzzle? No Did Sheila have to do something as a result of her carelessness? No Is the careless action related to her private life? work? someone else? Private life I suppose Did her carelessness cause her? or someone else? great annoyance? Not at the time, indirectly it would have caused John great annoyance (by saving Sheila) The relevant item, is it; small enough to hold in the palm of your hand? Possibly up to the size of a book? No bigger than a chair and probably a bit smaller chair? table? car? bigger than any of these? is it made of wood? stone? fabrics? metal? glass? plastic? gas? liquid? is it manmade? natural? It is solid, and could be any material but not one that is very breakable any kind of technology relevant? No It is probably worth mentioning that there are several items that could work as "the item" an I didn't have a specific one in mind when I made up this puzzle. The exact nature of the item is not important. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 825 Registered: 11-2003 |
Now I'm totally confused. I thought she would have been home if she hadn't been careless, that her carelessness indirectly caused her to be somewhere else?? Back to the drawing board, sigh.. If she hadn't been careless would John still have arrived at her house at the same time? Was the item somehow involved in her careless action? Is it relevant where in the house she was when she was careless? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 961 Registered: 4-2007 |
Now I'm totally confused. I thought she would have been home if she hadn't been careless, that her carelessness indirectly caused her to be somewhere else?? Back to the drawing board, sigh.. Well, there are different points in this puzzle when Sheila was in relevant places. I think I might write a recap below, to help myself as much as you, because I don't want to be giving unintentionally misleading answers. If she hadn't been careless would John still have arrived at her house at the same time? Yes Was the item somehow involved in her careless action? Yes Is it relevant where in the house she was when she was careless? Yes | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 962 Registered: 4-2007 |
Recap If Sheila and John had both been careful, Sheila would have died. And if they had both been careless, she would have died. As it was, she lived. We have established that Sheila was careless, then some time later John was careful. John is a burglar, who broke into Sheila's house. If Sheila had found him in her house, he would have killed her to avoid being caught. If they had both been careful or both been careless, this would have happened. When John broke in, Sheila was not home, but this was for a reason utterly unconnected to either her carelessness or John's carefulness. If Sheila had not been careless, John would have arrived at the same time as he did. An item is involved in Sheila's carelessness, it is not relevant exactly what but it is smaller than a chair and not made of breakable material. It is relevant where in the house Sheila was careless. I hope that makes things clearer...if not, just say! | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 831 Registered: 11-2003 |
Let me start on where in the house she was kitchen? living room? dining room? hall? bathroom? toilet? bedroom? laundry room? pantry? garage? storage room? Does it matter how big the house was? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 963 Registered: 4-2007 |
Let me start on where in the house she was kitchen? living room? This one dining room? hall? bathroom? toilet? bedroom? laundry room? pantry? garage? storage room? Does it matter how big the house was? No | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 835 Registered: 11-2003 |
You said that nothing was broken, but was the item damaged somehow? Like still fully operational, but maybe chipped or similar? Is it relevant what Sheila was doing when the carelessness happened? Did she leave something on the floor and kicked into it? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 964 Registered: 4-2007 |
You said that nothing was broken, but was the item damaged somehow? No Like still fully operational, but maybe chipped or similar? No Is it relevant what Sheila was doing when the carelessness happened? No Did she leave something on the floor and kicked into it? No | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 836 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did something fall on her? Did she bump in to something? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 965 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did something fall on her? No Did she bump in to something? Yes, and...? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 842 Registered: 11-2003 |
Is the item we're looking for the thing she bumped into? You said in the beginning that she wasn't injured because of her carelessness. Correct? But was she maybe bruised or similar? Maybe causing her to be slower? So she didn't get home as early as she would if she hadn't bumped into 'something'? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 966 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the item we're looking for the thing she bumped into? Yes You said in the beginning that she wasn't injured because of her carelessness. Correct? Correct But was she maybe bruised or similar? No Maybe causing her to be slower? So she didn't get home as early as she would if she hadn't bumped into 'something'? No | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 845 Registered: 11-2003 |
And all we need to know is that the item is of a certain size and non-breakable. Right? So there was no damage to neither the object nor Sheila herself. Did she realize something she had forgotten when she bumped into the object? Did she see something on it? near it? or did she not see something that should have been there? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 967 Registered: 4-2007 |
And all we need to know is that the item is of a certain size and non-breakable. Right? So there was no damage to neither the object nor Sheila herself. Correct Did she realize something she had forgotten when she bumped into the object? {No} Did she see something on it? near it? or did she not see something that should have been there? No to all | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 848 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hmmm, when Sheila bumped in to this item, did it hurt? If so, did she do something while she was out that caused her to get home later, something that would prevent her from bump in to the item again? or something that would protect agains pain if it should happen again? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 968 Registered: 4-2007 |
Hmmm, when Sheila bumped in to this item, did it hurt? No If so, did she do something while she was out that caused her to get home later, something that would prevent her from bump in to the item again? or something that would protect agains pain if it should happen again? No to all | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 850 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did something else relevant happen before? or after she bumped into the object? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 969 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did something else relevant happen before? or after she bumped into the object? Something relevant happened to the object after she bumped into it. A number of other relevant things happened after she bumped the object, including John's carefulness. | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1223 Registered: 9-2003 |
did she move the object after bumping into it? take it somewhere? did she think it was damaged? did John just break in at a random time? was he watching the house? is the same object involved in his carefulness? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 852 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did the object move when she bumped into it? Did she spill something on it? did something non-damaging happen to the object? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 971 Registered: 4-2007 |
did she move the object after bumping into it? Not exactly...see answer to Eli's question below take it somewhere? did she think it was damaged? No to both did John just break in at a random time? was he watching the house? irrel, other than that he broke in while Sheila was out is the same object involved in his carefulness? Yes Did the object move when she bumped into it? Yes Did she spill something on it? No did something non-damaging happen to the object? Yes | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 855 Registered: 11-2003 |
The non-damaging thing that happened to the object, was it something else than that it moved? If it was, did the object change somehow? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 972 Registered: 4-2007 |
The non-damaging thing that happened to the object, was it something else than that it moved? No, the non-damaging thing was the movement (though there's a slightly more accurate term than "moved" If it was, did the object change somehow? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 859 Registered: 11-2003 |
But the object changed position, right? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1224 Registered: 9-2003 |
was there something else on the object? something that spilled? or did the object just get knocked over? onto the floor? if so did she pick it up?did she need to leave the house to get something to clear it up? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 973 Registered: 4-2007 |
But the object changed position, right? Yes, see answers to Damia below... was there something else on the object? No something that spilled? No or did the object just get knocked over? see next answer onto the floor? Yes if so did she pick it up?No did she need to leave the house to get something to clear it up? No, remember she would have been out when John broke in even if she hadn't been careless. You've established now that Sheila's carelessness consisted o knocing the object onto the floor, and not picking it up. Now can you solve the rest of the puzzle? | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2007 |
Did John's carefulness consist in avoiding to pick up the object? If he had picked it up, would he have noticed anything peculiar about the object? About its surroundings? Did the object hide something from John's view? If he had picked it up, would he have stayed longer in Sheila's apartment? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 864 Registered: 11-2003 |
Was John careful in the sense that he never disrupted a house he broke into? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 974 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did John's carefulness consist in avoiding to pick up the object? No If he had picked it up, would he have noticed anything peculiar about the object? About its surroundings? Did the object hide something from John's view? If he had picked it up, would he have stayed longer in Sheila's apartment? These are all N/A Was John careful in the sense that he never disrupted a house he broke into? This is certainly connectd to his carefulness | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1225 Registered: 9-2003 |
did he step on the object? fall over it? damage it in any way? pick it up? did he think he had knocked it over? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 975 Registered: 4-2007 |
did he step on the object? fall over it? damage it in any way? pick it up? This did he think he had knocked it over? Yes | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2007 |
By picking it up, did he notice anything peculiar about the object? About its surroundings? Did the object hide something from John's view, before or after being picked up? If he had not picked it up, would he have stayed longer in Sheila's apartment? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 976 Registered: 4-2007 |
By picking it up, did he notice anything peculiar about the object? About its surroundings? Did the object hide something from John's view, before or after being picked up? None of these If he had not picked it up, would he have stayed longer in Sheila's apartment? No | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1226 Registered: 9-2003 |
when Sheila got home was John still there? did she notice the object had been picked up? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 977 Registered: 4-2007 |
when Sheila got home was John still there? Yes did she notice the object had been picked up? Yes | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 23 Registered: 12-2007 |
So did she realise someone had broken into the house? Did she leave to call for help? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 978 Registered: 4-2007 |
So did she realise someone had broken into the house? Yes Did she leave to call for help? And yes...it's basically solved now, for the final piece of the puzzle, where was the item in the room? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 868 Registered: 11-2003 |
Was the object visible through the window, so she knew before she actually walked in the door? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 980 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the object visible through the window, so she knew before she actually walked in the door? Yes. That's all I think...spoiler to follow | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 981 Registered: 4-2007 |
***** SPOILER ***** Sheila was preparing to go out, and carelessly knocked an item (let's say a vase) off the windowsill. Being in a hurry, she didn't pick it up and left the house.Meanwhile, John (a burglar) came by with a view to robbing the house. He came in through the window, saw the vase on the floor, and assumed that he had knocked it off so being a careful chap he replaced it on the sill. While John was in the house, Sheila returned and was about to enter but saw the vase mysteriously returned to the sill, which raised her suspicions so she went and got help. Had she not seen the vase and entered the house, John would have killed her to prevent himself being caught...as it was she lived. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 982 Registered: 4-2007 |
Thanks to everybody who played...especially Eli for sticking with it all the way through, and Damia and Arek fu for helping out and getting pieces of the solution! |
