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Beccaann (Beccaann)
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 7:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Marta told James what was happening, and although she had never lied to him before, he questioned whether she was telling the truth. Why?
Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 7:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

James- him? Marta- she?
James- H?A?M? Marta- H?A?F?
Very relevant what's happening, right? If she told us the same thing would we doubt her? Is it plausible? Does James have inside info about the story?
Beccaann (Beccaann)
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 7:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

James- him? Marta- she? yes to both
James- H?A?M? Marta- H?A?F? yes to all
Very relevant what's happening, right?indeed If she told us the same thing would we doubt her?less likely, but it depends Is it plausible?yes Does James have inside info about the story?yesish or yope
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 8:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she telling the truth? Relevant?
Does he think it's unlikely that she's telling the truth?
When you say "questioned" - do you mean literally? Or just that he had his doubts?
Beccaann (Beccaann)
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 9:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she telling the truth?yes Relevant?yes
Does he think it's unlikely that she's telling the truth? possibly
When you say "questioned" - do you mean literally?yes Or just that he had his doubts?and this
~damia~ (~damia~)
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 9:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

she told him something related to herself? to him? to both of them? is their relationship relevant? married? friends? colleagues? strangers? any relevant jobs?
Beccaann (Beccaann)
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she told him something related to herself?no to him?no to both of them?no is their relationship relevant?yes married? friends? colleagues? strangers?this any relevant jobs?yes
Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 5:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related/ Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Security / Law Enforcement?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation /Livery / Trucking ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?
Other?

Did Marta never lie to James before because they had never met before?
Beccaann (Beccaann)
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 7:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related/ Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ? Partly this for Marta
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Security / Law Enforcement? This is closest for James, but not really accurate
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation /Livery / Trucking ?
Food Service ? Partly this for Marta
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?
Other? This, for James

Did Marta never lie to James before because they had never met before?correct
Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
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Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 2:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is James Marta's subordinate? customer? associate?
Is James a bouncer?
Is James aware of Marta's job?
Is Marta aware of James' job?

did Marta convey an alternate version of something that James witnessed?

did Marta convey an alternate version of something that James heard about?

Does Marta work in a food service establishment?Does James work in a food service establishment?
Does something relevant happen in a food service establishment?
Beccaann (Beccaann)
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Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 5:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is James Marta's subordinate?no customer?No associate?yes
Is James a bouncer?no
Is James aware of Marta's job?yes
Is Marta aware of James' job?yes

did Marta convey an alternate version of something that James witnessed?no

did Marta convey an alternate version of something that James heard about?no

Does Marta work in a food service establishment?yes Does James work in a food service establishment?no
Does something relevant happen in a food service establishment?yesish
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Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 7:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are James and Marta speaking in the food service establishment?
Is the kind of establishment relevant? A cafe? Restaurant? Fast food outlet?
Is there a crime involved? a disturbance?
Was it part of James' job to ask Marta what was happening? Is he a detective of sorts?
Was James called over professionally? or did he just happen to be there?
Beccaann (Beccaann)
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Are James and Marta speaking in the food service establishment? yope
Is the kind of establishment relevant?noish A cafe?this-ish Restaurant? Fast food outlet?
Is there a crime involved?no a disturbance?yope
Was it part of James' job to ask Marta what was happening?yes Is he a detective of sorts?no
Was James called over professionally?FA or did he just happen to be there?FA
Sunshine (Sunshine)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 9:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they talking on the telephone?
Did Marta dial for help? advice? to complain?
Was the cafe on fire? had she received a delivery which wasn't up to standard? were they discussing paperwork? material things? foodstuffs? abstract ideas? people?
Beccaann (Beccaann)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 3:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they talking on the telephone? yes
Did Marta dial for help?yes advice?no to complain? no
Was the cafe on fire?yes had she received a delivery which wasn't up to standard?no were they discussing paperwork?no material things?no, other than those on fire foodstuffs?no abstract ideas?no people?no
Sunshine (Sunshine)
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Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 3:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did James have particular knowledge of Marta's cafe? Did he react in a way different from his usual response to a call? Had the fire service been called there before? For a fire? false alarm? Did she sound too calm?
Was the name of the cafe relevant? the address? Marta's name? the kind of food sold? the equipment used? the customers? insurance?
Did the fire service turn up? Without delay? Was their presence necessary?
Beccaann (Beccaann)
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Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 4:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did James have particular knowledge of Marta's cafe?yes Did he react in a way different from his usual response to a call?yes Had the fire service been called there before?yes For a fire?yope false alarm?yope Did she sound too calm? no
Was the name of the cafe relevant?no the address?no Marta's name?no the kind of food sold?no the equipment used?no the customers?no insurance?no
Did the fire service turn up?yes Without delay?yes Was their presence necessary?yes

Thats enough for a SPOILER ....

Within 2 weeks we had 3 fire alarms go off in our building, which houses our cafe, and a dining hall. When our alarm goes off, even if we don't know why, we have to call the fire department to at least come reset the alarm system.

The first time they came out and it turned out to be that someone had been cleaning a grill at the dining hall underneath a smoke detector, and the steam set it off. Strike 1.
The second time a hypersensitive detector set off the alarm when a student burnt his toast in the self-serve toaster. Strike 2.
So a couple of days later, Marta, my boss, was driving up to the building when she saw a fire in the dining hall's smoke break area. It was growing rapidly, directly underneath the gas line. She sent someone in to pull the alarm and again called the fire department. She told him we needed the fire department at our building and his response was a short "Is this a REAL fire???" Of course, it was, and once she explained the fire department came right out.

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