| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 136 Registered: 5-2003 |
Too bad it couldn't work. Even if they had found what they needed, it wouldn't have helped. It's not their fault that they didn't know. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1161 Registered: 1-2007 |
Hmmm Complex puzzle statement so where to begin. Are both they's and their referring to the same group of people? Are they H? A? is their sex relevant? How many are they? less than 5? 20? 50? 100? 1000? 100,000? 1 million? greater than this? Are any of the following relevant? Era? Location? crimes? deaths? Professions? Inventions? Disasters? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 145 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hmmm Complex puzzle statement so where to begin. Are both they's and their referring to the same group of people? Yes Are they H? Yes A? Yes is their sex relevant? Yes How many are they? less than 5? This 20? 50? 100? 1000? 100,000? 1 million? greater than this? Are any of the following relevant? Era? Yes Location? Yes crimes? deaths? Professions? Yes Inventions? In a sense Disasters? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1162 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are they Male? Era : this century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? earlier? Location? North America? South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australasia? Any of the following professions relevant? Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Government? Military? Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 2016 Registered: 8-2006 |
It: Idea? Machine? Were "They" building a machine? Are they mixed? M?F? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 147 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are they Male? Yes. Era : this century? 20th? This. 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? earlier? Location? North America? This. South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australasia? Any of the following professions relevant? Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? This. Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Government? Military? And this. Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? It: Idea? Machine? Which "it?" Were "They" building a machine? No. Are they mixed? No. M?F? M. | ||
| Rubberduck (Rubberduck)
New member Username: Rubberduck Post Number: 73 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the reason that it couldn't work because what they needed was not yet invented? available? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 156 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the reason that it couldn't work because what they needed was not yet invented? No. available? Yes. | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 12 Registered: 5-2008 |
"wouldn't have helped" = 'wouldn't have made it work'? 'wouldn't have made a difference if it worked or not'? "It's not their fault that they didn't know." = 'It's not their fault, they didn't know.'? 'It was someone else's fault that they didn't know."? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 162 Registered: 5-2003 |
"wouldn't have helped" = 'wouldn't have made it work'? This 'wouldn't have made a difference if it worked or not'? "It's not their fault that they didn't know." = 'It's not their fault, they didn't know.'? And this 'It was someone else's fault that they didn't know."? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 174 Registered: 5-2003 |
Location and time period are relevant. | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 205 Registered: 5-2008 |
LTPF list of decades. Geographical location relevant? Type of location relevant? Indoors? Outdoors? relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 216 Registered: 5-2003 |
LTPF list of decades. 1940s. Geographical location relevant? Yes. Type of location relevant? Yes. Indoors? No. Outdoors? Yes. relevant? Yes. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1358 Registered: 3-2006 |
To recap: we have some men (more than one and fewer than five), planning something related to the military and to incarceration of some sort. Are they prisoners of war? Are they planning an escape of some sort? A military operation? A siege? Are they American? German? Japanese? Other? I'm assuming that WWII is relevant, yes? Are they attempting to decode something? Are there two men in total? Three? Four? Are they famous enough that most LPTF regulars would have heard of them, in your estimation? Have they broken any federal law of the US? Are they awaiting trial for anything? Are they infantrymen? Officers? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 221 Registered: 5-2003 |
To recap: we have some men (more than one and fewer than five), planning something related to the military and to incarceration of some sort. Correct. Are they prisoners of war? Yes. Are they planning an escape of some sort? Yes. A military operation? No. A siege? No. Are they American? No. German? Yes. Japanese? No. Other? No. I'm assuming that WWII is relevant, yes? Yes. Are they attempting to decode something? No. Are there two men in total? No. Three? Yes. Four? No. Are they famous enough that most LPTF regulars would have heard of them, in your estimation? No. Have they broken any federal law of the US? Other than breaking out of a POW camp, no. Are they awaiting trial for anything? No. Are they infantrymen? No. Officers? Irrelevant. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1361 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ah, we have some flesh on the bones now. So we have three German POWs attempting to escape from a US POW camp. Was there something vaguely humorous about the attempt? Was anything smuggled into the camp? Did they plan their exit during some sort of interrogation? Would this puzzle also work if they were Japanese? Is the German language relevant? Did they try to dig a tunnel? Also, they were looking for something they needed: is this a physical object? A document? A key? A door? A map? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 224 Registered: 5-2003 |
Ah, we have some flesh on the bones now. So we have three German POWs attempting to escape from a US POW camp. Was there something vaguely humorous about the attempt? Yes. Was anything smuggled into the camp? No. Did they plan their exit during some sort of interrogation? No. Would this puzzle also work if they were Japanese? Irr. Is the German language relevant? No. Did they try to dig a tunnel? Yes. Also, they were looking for something they needed: is this a physical object? This. A document? A key? A door? A map? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 255 Registered: 5-2003 |
Recap: Three German POWs broke out of an American prison camp. Their escape attempt failed due to a humorous lack of something they needed to succeed. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 105 Registered: 6-2008 |
Were they able to even start digging the tunnel? Did they get stuck/caught halfway through? Finish the tunnel but were not able to escape through it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 256 Registered: 5-2003 |
They finished the tunnel and got all the way through it. | ||
| Mimino (Mimino)
New member Username: Mimino Post Number: 46 Registered: 6-2005 |
Was the camp in Europe? in the US? elsewhere? in the Northern hemisphere? in the Southern hemisphere? Were they lacking a map? so they went lost and eventually get caught? Did they, at least roughly, know the geography around the camp? Did they know in which country they were? Did the tunnel go out of the camp at all? Was the item they were lacking money? Would they have had a chance to buy the missing item after the escape? (provided they had money) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 257 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the camp in Europe? No. in the US? Yes. elsewhere? in the Northern hemisphere? Yes. in the Southern hemisphere? Were they lacking a map? No. so they went lost and eventually get caught? They weren't lost. Did they, at least roughly, know the geography around the camp? Other than what was on the map, no. Did they know in which country they were? Yes. Did the tunnel go out of the camp at all? Yes. Was the item they were lacking money? No. Would they have had a chance to buy the missing item after the escape? (provided they had money) No. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 260 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: The specific location of the camp is highly relevant. So is the fact that they only roughly knew the geography. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 120 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was one or several sides of the camp surrounded by water? steep cliffs? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 262 Registered: 5-2003 |
No to both. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 449 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did they get out of the camp? Did they get away from the place, let's say, more than 10 miles? Were they eventually caught? Did they return voluntarily? Were they caught at the border when they tried to leave the US? Was the camp on an island? in the desert? in the mountains? Was the object they would have needed something tangible? if so: is it larger than a matchbox? larger than a football? larger than a table? larger than a car? Was it exactly one item? one item for each of them? Relevant how many people they were? Did the object they would have needed exist in the camp at all (in the needed quantity)? in the vicinity of the camp? in the US? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 264 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they get out of the camp? Yes. Did they get away from the place, let's say, more than 10 miles? Yes. Not much farther, but the camp was definitely out of sight. Were they eventually caught? Yes. Did they return voluntarily? While they weren't actively looking for someone to surrender to, they were probably discouraged enough to come quietly! Were they caught at the border when they tried to leave the US? No. Was the camp on an island? No. in the desert? Yes. in the mountains? Yes, but irrelevant. Was the object they would have needed something tangible? Yes. if so: is it larger than a matchbox? larger than a football? larger than a table? larger than a car? Yope to all, possible FA. Was it exactly one item? Yope, possible FA. one item for each of them? No. Relevant how many people they were? Not really. Did the object they would have needed exist in the camp at all (in the needed quantity)? No. in the vicinity of the camp? No. in the US? Yes. Again, possible FA. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 451 Registered: 6-2003 |
Was the item something movable? Could it be carried around? or was it fixed to the ground? (like a bridge?) Was it something manmade? or a natural structure? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 270 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the item something movable? Yes Could it be carried around? In small quantities, yes -- much smaller than they needed, though. or was it fixed to the ground? Yope. (like a bridge?) No. Was it something manmade? No. or a natural structure? No. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 453 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is the item solid? liquid? Was it available in the camp but not in the quantity they needed? Was it available but they were not able to carry it away in the required quantity? Would they have needed to carry it away in order to make use of it? If neither manmade nor natural .. was it then made by animals? or by other living beings? Were the item(s) they needed animals? (horses, maybe?) Was the main reason why they could not go on: lack of food/drinks? lack of orientation? something was "in the way"? a natural barrier they could not cross? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 278 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the item solid? liquid? Liquid. Was it available in the camp but not in the quantity they needed? Yes. Was it available but they were not able to carry it away in the required quantity? Yes. Would they have needed to carry it away in order to make use of it? No. If neither manmade nor natural .. was it then made by animals? or by other living beings? it 's natural. Not made by living things. Were the item(s) they needed animals? (horses, maybe?) No. Was the main reason why they could not go on: lack of food/drinks? lack of orientation? something was "in the way"? a natural barrier they could not cross? None of the above, though a natural barrier is closest to the mark. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 128 Registered: 6-2008 |
So they needed a large quantity of water? Would it be used to fill some type of depression in the land? to wash something away? to extinguish a fire? | ||
| Bigpurple (Bigpurple)
New member Username: Bigpurple Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2008 |
Did they build some sort of flotation devicwe because they wrongly assumed they were near a large body of water? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 285 Registered: 5-2003 |
So they needed a large quantity of water? Yes. Would it be used to fill some type of depression in the land? You could say that. to wash something away? Yes, but not deliberately. to extinguish a fire? No. Did they build some sort of flotation device because they wrongly assumed they were near a large body of water? Something like that, yes. | ||
| Ostap (Ostap)
New member Username: Ostap Post Number: 65 Registered: 6-2005 |
Did they think they were near a creek? (perhaps because of the camp's name?) but the creek was dried up? did they think there was a creek or river nearby that would directly bring them to the sea? did they not think that they were in the middle of a desert? So, does the initial statement say, that they did not find the creek they were looking for, but even if they found it, it would not have helped because there was no water in the creek? | ||
| Bigpurple (Bigpurple)
New member Username: Bigpurple Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2008 |
Were they down in a hole and wanted water (rain) to fill the hole so they could float to the top? If they had floated to the top, they then discovered that, for some reason, they couldn't escape anyway? | ||
| Bigpurple (Bigpurple)
New member Username: Bigpurple Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2008 |
Did they need to get out of the prison before they needed the water (i.e., they needed the water in the second stage of the escape?) Or did they need the water to physically get out of the prison? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 288 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they think they were near a creek? A river, yes. (perhaps because of the camp's name?) Yes. but the creek was dried up? Yes. did they think there was a creek or river nearby that would directly bring them to the sea? Well, eventually -- they just wanted to get away from the camp for starters. did they not think that they were in the middle of a desert? They knew they were in a desert. So, does the initial statement say, that they did not find the creek they were looking for, but even if they found it, it would not have helped because there was no water in the creek? No. Were they down in a hole and wanted water (rain) to fill the hole so they could float to the top? No. If they had floated to the top, they then discovered that, for some reason, they couldn't escape anyway? No. Did they need to get out of the prison before they needed the water (i.e., they needed the water in the second stage of the escape?) Yes. Or did they need the water to physically get out of the prison? No. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 309 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: This question could have been rephrased as follows: Three men are walking through the desert, carrying a boat. Explain. | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 337 Registered: 5-2008 |
So: 3 men break out of a prison with a boat of some kind? irrelevant whether this is a real boat? (or) a makeshift boat? They believe they're near to a river? However the river had dried up? since the naming of the prison? which was what gave them the idea there was a river near by? Relevant that once out of prison and in the desert and can see for miles there is no water that they still carry the boat? If someone were to tell them there was no water would they be likely to abandon the boat (/consider it dead weight)? However if they had found A river it would still not have helped their escape? However if they had found THE river they were looking for, filled with water, it would still not have helped their escape? The river would flow in the wrong direction to the one in which they wish to travel? would not lead them to the sea? would leave them to a dangerous waterfall? would take them deep into enemy territory where they're sure to be recaptured and thrown back into the jail? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 312 Registered: 5-2003 |
So: 3 men break out of a prison with a boat of some kind? Yes. irrelevant whether this is a real boat? (or) a makeshift boat? Correct -- FYI it was makeshift. They believe they're near to a river? Yes. However the river had dried up? Yes. since the naming of the prison? which was what gave them the idea there was a river near by? That was a BLOOPER actually, the camp was not named for a river. They got the idea from a stolen map. Relevant that once out of prison and in the desert and can see for miles there is no water that they still carry the boat? Yes. If someone were to tell them there was no water would they be likely to abandon the boat (/consider it dead weight)? Yes. However if they had found A river it would still not have helped their escape? Correct. However if they had found THE river they were looking for, filled with water, it would still not have helped their escape? Correct. The river would flow in the wrong direction to the one in which they wish to travel? No. would not lead them to the sea? No. would leave them to a dangerous waterfall? No, but OTRT. would take them deep into enemy territory where they're sure to be recaptured and thrown back into the jail? No. | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 341 Registered: 5-2008 |
...would lead them into danger? man-made danger? ...would itself be dangerous (e.g. something in the water)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 313 Registered: 5-2003 |
...would lead them into danger? No. man-made danger? No. ...would itself be dangerous Yes.(e.g. something in the water)? But no. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 458 Registered: 6-2003 |
would it have been dangerous to use the boat? would the boat have sunk? broken into parts? would it have been impossible to control the boat? to propel the boat? if any of this is true: was there a mistake in the boat's construction? did they use wrong materials? was the problem partly caused by the weather conditions in this area? did the boat's material dry up and break? (horse skin, I could imagine ..) Would they, if there was a river, have been able to escape swimming? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 317 Registered: 5-2003 |
would it have been dangerous to use the boat? Yes. would the boat have sunk? Yes. broken into parts? Possibly. would it have been impossible to control the boat? Yes. to propel the boat? No. if any of this is true: was there a mistake in the boat's construction? No. did they use wrong materials? No. was the problem partly caused by the weather conditions in this area? Yes. did the boat's material dry up and break? No. (horse skin, I could imagine ..) Would they, if there was a river, have been able to escape swimming? No. | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 390 Registered: 5-2008 |
Would the river have been too shallow? full of dangerous rocks? rapids? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 322 Registered: 5-2003 |
Would the river have been too shallow? /b{No.} full of dangerous rocks? No. rapids? Yes! Spoiler: About 25 POWs, mostly U-boat sailors, broke out of a camp near Tucson, Arizona on December 22, 1944. Most planned to hike south to the Mexican border, but three had the bright idea of rowing down the Gila River. What they didn't know (not having lived in a desert before) was that rivers in southern Arizona are dry except when it's raining, and in that case you really don't want to be in the river at the time. Campers are commonly killed in flash floods -- I've seen concrete blocks being carried down the river. So the poor PoWs went to all that trouble building a collapsible canoe, hiding it from the guards, dragging it through the tunnel, and lugging it all over the Sonoran Desert. When they were picked up, they were sitting in the riverbed wondering where the river was! |
