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Because Lucete lacks a very common moral flaw, she pretends to be a compulsive gambler. How come??
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Lucete - H?A?F?
Common moral flaw - Illegal? Sin according to... Christianity? Islam? All religions? Rude? Crude?

Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler to explain away why she'd rather not go... into a casino? a similar establishment? To Las Vegas?

The common moral flaw is related to...
Alcohol?
Adultery/Sex/Lust/Looking at naked people?
Money? Greed? Hoarding or Wasting money?
Manners?
Gluttony?
Sloth?
Wrath?
Envy?
Pride?
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Lucete - H?A?F?
Common moral flaw - Illegal? no Sin according to... Christianity? yesIslam? probably but I'm not sureAll religions? ditto Rude? no Crude? yope

Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler to explain away why she'd rather not go... into a casino? no a similar establishment? no To Las Vegas? no|

The common moral flaw is related to...
Alcohol? no
Adultery/Sex/Lust/Looking at naked people? no
Money? yes Greed? yes Hoarding or Wasting money? not specifically
Manners? no
Gluttony? no
Sloth? no
Wrath? no
Envy? no
Pride? yes
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Does Lucete have a lot of money? Very little money? Does she not advertise this fact?
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Does she pretend that she loses a lot of money gambling? That she wins a lot? Is she attempting to explain her lack of money, or her wealth?
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Does Lucete have a lot of money? no Very little money? no Does she not advertise this fact? n/a
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Does she pretend that she loses a lot of money gambling? yesish That she wins a lot? no Is she attempting to explain her lack of money, or her wealth? neither
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Does it have anything to do with her appearance? Does she not wear austentatious clothing? Does she dress particularly poorly... or at least as well as a starving college student? Does she lack a propensity for shopping/spending?
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clarify: she lacks the flaw? Isn't that a double negative? Or am I wrong about her lacking the flaw?
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Does it have anything to do with her appearance? no Does she not wear austentatious clothing? irrel Does she dress particularly poorly... or at least as well as a starving college student? no Does she lack a propensity for shopping/spending? no. What's so terrible about shopping?
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clarify: she lacks the flaw? Isn't that a double negative? no. A flaw can be the presence of a bad trait (greed), not just the absence of a good one Or am I wrong about her lacking the flaw? see previous answer
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So she doesn't care one way or another about winning or losing? But she wants to give the impression that she does? Does she play gambling games? But perhaps in a charitable way? Does she have a particular philanthropic agenda? Does she support a particular charitable cause? Has she ever had a gambling addiction?
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Does Lucete want others to think she has the common moral flaw? Is there anything else that Lucete is trying to hide?

Would it work just as well if Lucete pretended that she did something else that made her lose a lot of money (like investing in subprime mortgages)? If she pretended that she lost a lot of money due to something completely beyond her control (like her house burned down)?
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So she doesn't care one way or another about winning or losing?yes But she wants to give the impression that she does? yes Does she play gambling games? no But perhaps in a charitable way? noDoes she have a particular philanthropic agenda? yope Does she support a particular charitable cause? noHas she ever had a gambling addiction? no
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Does Lucete want others to think she has the common moral flaw? yes Is there anything else that Lucete is trying to hide? no

Would it work just as well if Lucete pretended that she did something else that made her lose a lot of money (like investing in subprime mortgages)? noIf she pretended that she lost a lot of money due to something completely beyond her control (like her house burned down)?no
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Is it relevant what kind of gambling she pretends to do? Where she claims to do it?
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Is it relevant what kind of gambling she pretends to do?no Where she claims to do it?no
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Is the moral flaw simply greed? Love of money? Or something more complex that that? Showy displays of wealth? Lack of generosity?

Does she tell people that she does something because it will make her win more at gambling? That she does a particular thing to get funds for her gambling habit?

Does she want people to think she has the moral flaw because she thinks they will treat her better? Because she doesn't want to stand out? Doesn't want to be seen as a goodie two-shoes? Becasue she doesn't want to make them feel bad about having the flaw themselves?

Would she give the story about her gambling to anyone who asked her a specific question? Who made a particular comment? Would she just walk around proclaiming it loudly?

Is the flaw itself related to gambling? Would anyone who was a compulsive gambler definitely have the moral flaw?
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Is the moral flaw simply greed? yesish Love of money? yesish Or something more complex that that? yope Showy displays of wealth? no. (Why are showy displays so terrible??) Lack of generosity?yes

Does she tell people that she does something because it will make her win more at gambling? no That she does a particular thing to get funds for her gambling habit? no

Does she want people to think she has the moral flaw because she thinks they will treat her better? noBecause she doesn't want to stand out? no Doesn't want to be seen as a goodie two-shoes? no Becasue she doesn't want to make them feel bad about having the flaw themselves? no

Would she give the story about her gambling to anyone who asked her a specific question? no Who made a particular comment? no Would she just walk around proclaiming it loudly? no

Is the flaw itself related to gambling? no Would anyone who was a compulsive gambler definitely have the moral flaw? noish or yope
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So she is a generous person, but wants people to think she is mean and greedy? Is she generous in a particular way? Does she give a lot of money to charity, or always give to beggars, or always tip a lot?
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Does she pretend to be trying to recover from her gambling problem? Or does she pretend that she still routinely gambles?

Does she use her made-up gambling problem as an excuse to avoid situations where people are gambling?
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Is she simply using the "gambling addiction" as a cover up for her large out-flux of money? To cover up her choice not to save money? Does she use this excuse to explain things to the Tax collectors? Just her friends? Peers? Neighbors? the bank?
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So she is a generous person yes, but wants people to think she is mean and greedy?yope Is she generous in a particular way? yes Does she give a lot of money to charity irrel, or always give to beggars, irrel or always tip a lot irrel?
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Does she pretend to be trying to recover from her gambling problem? no Or does she pretend that she still routinely gambles? yes

Does she use her made-up gambling problem as an excuse to avoid situations where people are gambling? no
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Is she simply using the "gambling addiction" as a cover up for her large out-flux of money? no To cover up her choice not to save money? no Does she use this excuse to explain things to the Tax collectors? no Just her friends? no Peers? no Neighbors? no the bank? no
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When you say "yope" to the "mean and greedy" question, did you mean she just wanted people to think she was mean (but not greedy)? Greedy but not mean?
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When you say "yope" to the "mean and greedy" question, did you mean she just wanted people to think she was mean (but not greedy)? no Greedy but not mean? yope!!
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Are there other compulsive behaviors that she could pretend to have, that would also work? Could she pretend to be a compulsive shopper? a compulsive house cleaner? Is she trying to explain what she does with her time?

Does she have a relevant acquaintance who really is a compulsive gambler?
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Are there other compulsive behaviors that she could pretend to have, that would also work? see next answers Could she pretend to be a compulsive shopper? yes a compulsive house cleaner? noIs she trying to explain what she does with her time? no

Does she have a relevant acquaintance who really is a compulsive gambler? no
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Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler in order to avoid an uncomfortable situation for herself? to make a point to others? for some other reason?

Could the flaw be described as selfishness with money? unwillingness to help others with money?

Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler when she is around people displaying the consequences of the moral flaw? talking about the consequences of the moral flaw?

How about something like this: people are discussing their reasons for not (say) giving to a particular charity. L. regards their reasons as rather flimsy, since they all involve using the money for purely selfish purposes instead. So she says, "Well, I can't afford to donate any money because I have to gamble it all away in Vegas," hoping they'll get the point. Anything like this?
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Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler in order to avoid an uncomfortable situation for herself? no to make a point to others? yesfor some other reason?yesish

Could the flaw be described as selfishness with money? yes unwillingness to help others with money?"selfishness with money" would be more accurate

Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler when she is around people displaying the consequences of the moral flaw? no talking about the consequences of the moral flaw? no

How about something like this: people are discussing their reasons for not (say) giving to a particular charity. L. regards their reasons as rather flimsy, since they all involve using the money for purely selfish purposes instead. So she says, "Well, I can't afford to donate any money because I have to gamble it all away in Vegas," hoping they'll get the point. Anything like this? no
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She wanted to make a point: about the moral flaw? about her lack of it? about other people's having it?

Is she trying to make herself look good? make other people look bad? give other people something to think about, so that they might change their ways?
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She wanted to make a point: about the moral flaw?no about her lack of it? no about other people's having it? no

Is she trying to make herself look good? no make other people look bad? nogive other people something to think about, so that they might change their ways? yesish
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Could your puzzle phrase be re-written, "Because Lucete isn't Greedy, she pretends to be a compulsive gambler. How come??" ?

Is there a particular activity she participates in that would cause her to make the statement? Is that activity... Charity related? Church related? Mentoring related? Financial counseling related?

Does making the claim help her interact/relate to certain people better? Does it help her better perform her job? Is she doing research?
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Could your puzzle phrase be re-written, "Because Lucete isn't Greedy, she pretends to be a compulsive gambler. How come??" ? Yes, but this would be both more & less informative. More informative because it would specify the flaw. Less informative, because it wouldn't tell you that this (particular form of the) flaw is very common

Is there a particular activity she participates in that would cause her to make the statement? yesishIs that activity... Charity related? no Church related? no Mentoring related? noFinancial counseling related? no

Does making the claim help her interact/relate to certain people better? it's intended to Does it help her better perform her job? noIs she doing research? no
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Does she want to show that even she isn't perfect? To make herself seem more approachable? Would there be a particular group of people she would say this to? If so, people with an addiction?

When she says she is a compulsive gambler, does she expect people to believe her?
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Does she want to show that even she isn't perfect? noish To make herself seem more approachable? no Would there be a particular group of people she would say this to? yesish If so, people with an addiction? no

When she says she is a compulsive gambler, does she expect people to believe her? Well, she hopes to be believed
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Pride was also part of this... Is there something she's prideful about? Something she's not proud of? Or in general is she not a prideful person? If she was/was not prideful, would she be in this situation? Is there something she's trying to hide? Is there a point she's trying to make? Is she just trying to be more accepted?
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Pride was also part of this... Is there something she's prideful about? Well, she may be proud of lacking the common vice, but come to think of it, that's irrel, so--BLLLLOOOOOOOOOOPERRRRRALERTTTTTTT!!!--pride is not really relevant to this puzzle Something she's not proud of? no Or in general is she not a prideful person? irrel If she was/was not prideful, would she be in this situation? possibly Is there something she's trying to hide? just tht she's NOT a compulsive gambler Is there a point she's trying to make? yes Is she just trying to be more accepted? no
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Is the point she's trying to make something like... "I'm struggling with this too, but if I can do it you can too." Is it political in nature? An attempt to correct behavior in others? Is she trying to raise awareness in others? Is she interacting with friends? strangers? coworkers?
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Is the point she's trying to make something like... "I'm struggling with this too, but if I can do it you can too." no Is it political in nature? noAn attempt to correct behavior in others? yes Is she trying to raise awareness in others? yesishIs she interacting with friends? yope or noish strangers? no coworkers? no
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Is she with her family? Core family? Family reunion? Is her family doing something she doesn't approve of? Is her family criticizing her for something?
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Is she with her family? yes Core family? yes Family reunion? no Is her family doing something she doesn't approve of?possibly or yesish Is her family criticizing her for something? no
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Is she addressing her... parents? husband? kids? Were they having a discussion that is relevant? Did somebody make a very bigoted comment and she was trying to shut that person up? Make them see reason?
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Is she addressing her... parents? yes husband? no kids? no Were they having a discussion that is relevant? possibly but not necessarily Did somebody make a very bigoted comment no and she was trying to shut that person up? no Make them see reason? yope
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Is she trying to give a reason for not seeking money/high ernings? for example she might say to her parents that she doesn't want a highly paid job because the extra cash will just tempt her to gamble - anything like that?
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Is she trying to give a reason for not seeking money/high ernings?yesish for example she might say to her parents that she doesn't want a highly paid job because the extra cash will just tempt her to gamble - anything like that? no
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Is there a particular high-paying career that her parents want her to pursue?
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Does she claim that she doesn't need a high-paying job because gambling pays her bills?
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Is there a particular high-paying career that her parents want her to pursue?no
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Does she claim that she doesn't need a high-paying job because gambling pays her bills? no
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Is she trying to give a reason for not seeking a high-paying career? For seeking a particular low-paying career? Or for not seeking money in some other context, unrelated to her career?
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Is she trying to give a reason for not seeking a high-paying career? no For seeking a particular low-paying career? no Or for not seeking money in some other context, unrelated to her career? yes
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Seeking money from some other particular source? If so: the lottery? sweepstakes? a lawsuit? a tax refund? government benefits? inheritance? gift? sale of something she owns?
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The phrase "I'd never >insert relevant activity<, I'd just gamble it all away." approximately how the conversation went?
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Did the conversation go something like... "I'd never _________________, I'd just gamble all that money away."

Was the conversation meant to be humorous?
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Seeking money from some other particular source? yes If so: the lottery? no sweepstakes? no a lawsuit? no a tax refund? no government benefits? noinheritance? yes gift? see previous answer sale of something she owns? no
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The phrase "I'd never >insert relevant activity<, I'd just gamble it all away." approximately how the conversation went? no
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Did the conversation go something like... "I'd never _________________, I'd just gamble all that money away." no

Was the conversation meant to be humorous? no(Moderator/Admin only)
Seeking money from some other particular source? yes If so: the lottery? no sweepstakes? no a lawsuit? no a tax refund? no government benefits? noinheritance? yes gift? see previous answer sale of something she owns? no

****** SPOILER ********
As a bioethicist, I am well aware on the pressure on sick old people to forgo life-prolonging medical care in order to leave their hard-earned money to provide luxuries for children & grandchildren who have done nothung to earn it but are often greedy enough to expect it, even at the cost of the sick old people's lives. Lacking this form of wickedness, Lucete tells her sick old parents she's a compulsive gambler so they'll infer that she'll squander an inheritance & hence so they'll have the sense to use their own money to prolong their own lives. Please have the sense to use your own lateral minds to address the new puzzle I'm about to post you know where.
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I have to wonder how well this would really work. If I were a sick old person and had a daughter who told me she had a gambling problem (granted, that's a big "if"), I would probably feel some pressure to use my money to help her in some way, either to pay off her debts or help her get treatment. And that's on top of whatever heartache it would cause (over a period of years, presumably, if I were indeed spending my money on this life-prolonging treatment) to think that my daughter had turned out like that.

What's wrong with being honest and saying, "Mom, Dad, you raised me well so that I'm doing fine on my own, and I don't expect an inheritance. Do what you like with the money that you worked hard for, and leave any that's left to your favorite charity"?
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I have to wonder how well this would really work. If I were a sick old person and had a daughter who told me she had a gambling problem (granted, that's a big "if"), I would probably feel some pressure to use my money to help her in some way, either to pay off her debts or help her get treatment. You'd feel obligated to sacrifice your LIFE (i.e., to forgo expensive life-extending medical care) for that? If your daughter were willing to accept the sacrifice, how could she be worth it?And that's on top of whatever heartache it would cause (over a period of years, presumably, if I were indeed spending my money on this life-prolonging treatment) to think that my daughter had turned out like that.

What's wrong with being honest and saying, "Mom, Dad, you raised me well so that I'm doing fine on my own, and I don't expect an inheritance. Do what you like with the money that you worked hard for, and leave any that's left to your favorite charity"? Well, I sure hope that works because it's roughly what I told my widowed mother.
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Well, I did not say I'd feel "obligated." I said I'd feel "some pressure" - I'd probably feel more inclined to spend money to help a child out of a specific tough situation than to set aside that same money to be given as a nonspecific inheritance. Of course, it's impossible for me to say what I would actually do, since I neither have children of my own nor require costly medical care to stay alive. But from what I understand, it is not at all unusual for parents to spend money they can't really afford or put themselves in harm's way in order to help their children, which is why I suspect I would feel some inclination in that direction.
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Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 6:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It may be common, but I hope that (like women feeling inclined to play second fiddle to men) it's on the way out. Parents who do feel this inclination might try asking themselves what kind of child would welcome help that is provided at the price of the parent's life.Racism is also common, but that doesn't make me suspect I have any inclination in that direction. Similarly for some harmless traits that are alien to me, such as love of sports. (I also have neither children nor need of costly medical care.}

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