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Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3335 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 4:59 pm: |      |
Because Lucete lacks a very common moral flaw, she pretends to be a compulsive gambler. How come?? |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet
Post Number: 1285 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 5:10 pm: |      |
Lucete - H?A?F? Common moral flaw - Illegal? Sin according to... Christianity? Islam? All religions? Rude? Crude? Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler to explain away why she'd rather not go... into a casino? a similar establishment? To Las Vegas? The common moral flaw is related to... Alcohol? Adultery/Sex/Lust/Looking at naked people? Money? Greed? Hoarding or Wasting money? Manners? Gluttony? Sloth? Wrath? Envy? Pride? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3339 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 5:22 pm: |      |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1285 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 5:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Lucete - H?A?F? Common moral flaw - Illegal? no Sin according to... Christianity? yesIslam? probably but I'm not sureAll religions? ditto Rude? no Crude? yope Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler to explain away why she'd rather not go... into a casino? no a similar establishment? no To Las Vegas? no| The common moral flaw is related to... Alcohol? no Adultery/Sex/Lust/Looking at naked people? no Money? yes Greed? yes Hoarding or Wasting money? not specifically Manners? no Gluttony? no Sloth? no Wrath? no Envy? no Pride? yes |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet
Post Number: 1288 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 5:27 pm: |      |
Does Lucete have a lot of money? Very little money? Does she not advertise this fact? |
Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay
Post Number: 1165 Registered: 4-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 5:32 pm: |      |
Does she pretend that she loses a lot of money gambling? That she wins a lot? Is she attempting to explain her lack of money, or her wealth? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3342 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 8:28 pm: |      |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1288 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 5:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does Lucete have a lot of money? no Very little money? no Does she not advertise this fact? n/a Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1165 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 5:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does she pretend that she loses a lot of money gambling? yesish That she wins a lot? no Is she attempting to explain her lack of money, or her wealth? neither |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet
Post Number: 1299 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 10:18 pm: |      |
Does it have anything to do with her appearance? Does she not wear austentatious clothing? Does she dress particularly poorly... or at least as well as a starving college student? Does she lack a propensity for shopping/spending? |
Ddrapayo (Ddrapayo)
New member Username: Ddrapayo
Post Number: 48 Registered: 4-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 10:48 pm: |      |
clarify: she lacks the flaw? Isn't that a double negative? Or am I wrong about her lacking the flaw? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3344 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 11:40 pm: |      |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1299 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 10:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does it have anything to do with her appearance? no Does she not wear austentatious clothing? irrel Does she dress particularly poorly... or at least as well as a starving college student? no Does she lack a propensity for shopping/spending? no. What's so terrible about shopping? Ddrapayo (Ddrapayo) New member Username: Ddrapayo Post Number: 48 Registered: 4-2008 Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 10:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) clarify: she lacks the flaw? Isn't that a double negative? no. A flaw can be the presence of a bad trait (greed), not just the absence of a good one Or am I wrong about her lacking the flaw? see previous answer |
Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm
Post Number: 1287 Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 11:48 pm: |      |
So she doesn't care one way or another about winning or losing? But she wants to give the impression that she does? Does she play gambling games? But perhaps in a charitable way? Does she have a particular philanthropic agenda? Does she support a particular charitable cause? Has she ever had a gambling addiction? |
Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319
Post Number: 759 Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 4:44 am: |      |
Does Lucete want others to think she has the common moral flaw? Is there anything else that Lucete is trying to hide? Would it work just as well if Lucete pretended that she did something else that made her lose a lot of money (like investing in subprime mortgages)? If she pretended that she lost a lot of money due to something completely beyond her control (like her house burned down)? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3345 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 6:49 pm: |      |
Woodworm (Woodworm) New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1287 Registered: 3-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 11:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So she doesn't care one way or another about winning or losing?yes But she wants to give the impression that she does? yes Does she play gambling games? no But perhaps in a charitable way? noDoes she have a particular philanthropic agenda? yope Does she support a particular charitable cause? noHas she ever had a gambling addiction? no Alex319 (Alex319) New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 759 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 4:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does Lucete want others to think she has the common moral flaw? yes Is there anything else that Lucete is trying to hide? no Would it work just as well if Lucete pretended that she did something else that made her lose a lot of money (like investing in subprime mortgages)? noIf she pretended that she lost a lot of money due to something completely beyond her control (like her house burned down)?no |
Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay
Post Number: 1166 Registered: 4-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 6:56 pm: |      |
Is it relevant what kind of gambling she pretends to do? Where she claims to do it? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3346 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 7:27 pm: |      |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1166 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 6:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it relevant what kind of gambling she pretends to do?no Where she claims to do it?no |
Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay
Post Number: 1168 Registered: 4-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 7:49 pm: |      |
Is the moral flaw simply greed? Love of money? Or something more complex that that? Showy displays of wealth? Lack of generosity? Does she tell people that she does something because it will make her win more at gambling? That she does a particular thing to get funds for her gambling habit? Does she want people to think she has the moral flaw because she thinks they will treat her better? Because she doesn't want to stand out? Doesn't want to be seen as a goodie two-shoes? Becasue she doesn't want to make them feel bad about having the flaw themselves? Would she give the story about her gambling to anyone who asked her a specific question? Who made a particular comment? Would she just walk around proclaiming it loudly? Is the flaw itself related to gambling? Would anyone who was a compulsive gambler definitely have the moral flaw? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3347 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 8:03 pm: |      |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1168 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 7:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the moral flaw simply greed? yesish Love of money? yesish Or something more complex that that? yope Showy displays of wealth? no. (Why are showy displays so terrible??) Lack of generosity?yes Does she tell people that she does something because it will make her win more at gambling? no That she does a particular thing to get funds for her gambling habit? no Does she want people to think she has the moral flaw because she thinks they will treat her better? noBecause she doesn't want to stand out? no Doesn't want to be seen as a goodie two-shoes? no Becasue she doesn't want to make them feel bad about having the flaw themselves? no Would she give the story about her gambling to anyone who asked her a specific question? no Who made a particular comment? no Would she just walk around proclaiming it loudly? no Is the flaw itself related to gambling? no Would anyone who was a compulsive gambler definitely have the moral flaw? noish or yope |
Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay
Post Number: 1169 Registered: 4-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 10:35 pm: |      |
So she is a generous person, but wants people to think she is mean and greedy? Is she generous in a particular way? Does she give a lot of money to charity, or always give to beggars, or always tip a lot? |
Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard
Post Number: 971 Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 1:15 am: |      |
Does she pretend to be trying to recover from her gambling problem? Or does she pretend that she still routinely gambles? Does she use her made-up gambling problem as an excuse to avoid situations where people are gambling? |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet
Post Number: 1300 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 7:00 am: |      |
Is she simply using the "gambling addiction" as a cover up for her large out-flux of money? To cover up her choice not to save money? Does she use this excuse to explain things to the Tax collectors? Just her friends? Peers? Neighbors? the bank? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3349 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 6:44 pm: |      |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1169 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 10:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So she is a generous person yes, but wants people to think she is mean and greedy?yope Is she generous in a particular way? yes Does she give a lot of money to charity irrel, or always give to beggars, irrel or always tip a lot irrel? Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 971 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 1:15 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does she pretend to be trying to recover from her gambling problem? no Or does she pretend that she still routinely gambles? yes Does she use her made-up gambling problem as an excuse to avoid situations where people are gambling? no Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1300 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 7:00 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is she simply using the "gambling addiction" as a cover up for her large out-flux of money? no To cover up her choice not to save money? no Does she use this excuse to explain things to the Tax collectors? no Just her friends? no Peers? no Neighbors? no the bank? no |
Ddrapayo (Ddrapayo)
New member Username: Ddrapayo
Post Number: 52 Registered: 4-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 7:56 pm: |      |
When you say "yope" to the "mean and greedy" question, did you mean she just wanted people to think she was mean (but not greedy)? Greedy but not mean? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3352 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 8:00 pm: |      |
Ddrapayo (Ddrapayo) New member Username: Ddrapayo Post Number: 52 Registered: 4-2008 Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 7:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) When you say "yope" to the "mean and greedy" question, did you mean she just wanted people to think she was mean (but not greedy)? no Greedy but not mean? yope!! |
Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard
Post Number: 975 Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 12:49 am: |      |
Are there other compulsive behaviors that she could pretend to have, that would also work? Could she pretend to be a compulsive shopper? a compulsive house cleaner? Is she trying to explain what she does with her time? Does she have a relevant acquaintance who really is a compulsive gambler? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3354 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 7:42 pm: |      |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 975 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 12:49 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are there other compulsive behaviors that she could pretend to have, that would also work? see next answers Could she pretend to be a compulsive shopper? yes a compulsive house cleaner? noIs she trying to explain what she does with her time? no Does she have a relevant acquaintance who really is a compulsive gambler? no |
Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard
Post Number: 978 Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 8:13 pm: |      |
Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler in order to avoid an uncomfortable situation for herself? to make a point to others? for some other reason? Could the flaw be described as selfishness with money? unwillingness to help others with money? Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler when she is around people displaying the consequences of the moral flaw? talking about the consequences of the moral flaw? How about something like this: people are discussing their reasons for not (say) giving to a particular charity. L. regards their reasons as rather flimsy, since they all involve using the money for purely selfish purposes instead. So she says, "Well, I can't afford to donate any money because I have to gamble it all away in Vegas," hoping they'll get the point. Anything like this? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3357 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 9:22 pm: |      |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 978 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 8:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler in order to avoid an uncomfortable situation for herself? no to make a point to others? yesfor some other reason?yesish Could the flaw be described as selfishness with money? yes unwillingness to help others with money?"selfishness with money" would be more accurate Does she pretend to be a compulsive gambler when she is around people displaying the consequences of the moral flaw? no talking about the consequences of the moral flaw? no How about something like this: people are discussing their reasons for not (say) giving to a particular charity. L. regards their reasons as rather flimsy, since they all involve using the money for purely selfish purposes instead. So she says, "Well, I can't afford to donate any money because I have to gamble it all away in Vegas," hoping they'll get the point. Anything like this? no |
Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard
Post Number: 985 Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 9:38 pm: |      |
She wanted to make a point: about the moral flaw? about her lack of it? about other people's having it? Is she trying to make herself look good? make other people look bad? give other people something to think about, so that they might change their ways? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3359 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 10:14 pm: |      |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 985 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 9:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) She wanted to make a point: about the moral flaw?no about her lack of it? no about other people's having it? no Is she trying to make herself look good? no make other people look bad? nogive other people something to think about, so that they might change their ways? yesish |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet
Post Number: 1305 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 8:05 pm: |      |
Could your puzzle phrase be re-written, "Because Lucete isn't Greedy, she pretends to be a compulsive gambler. How come??" ? Is there a particular activity she participates in that would cause her to make the statement? Is that activity... Charity related? Church related? Mentoring related? Financial counseling related? Does making the claim help her interact/relate to certain people better? Does it help her better perform her job? Is she doing research? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3362 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 8:26 pm: |      |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1305 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 8:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Could your puzzle phrase be re-written, "Because Lucete isn't Greedy, she pretends to be a compulsive gambler. How come??" ? Yes, but this would be both more & less informative. More informative because it would specify the flaw. Less informative, because it wouldn't tell you that this (particular form of the) flaw is very common Is there a particular activity she participates in that would cause her to make the statement? yesishIs that activity... Charity related? no Church related? no Mentoring related? noFinancial counseling related? no Does making the claim help her interact/relate to certain people better? it's intended to Does it help her better perform her job? noIs she doing research? no |
Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay
Post Number: 1172 Registered: 4-2007
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 9:39 pm: |      |
Does she want to show that even she isn't perfect? To make herself seem more approachable? Would there be a particular group of people she would say this to? If so, people with an addiction? When she says she is a compulsive gambler, does she expect people to believe her? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3368 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 10:27 pm: |      |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1172 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 9:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does she want to show that even she isn't perfect? noish To make herself seem more approachable? no Would there be a particular group of people she would say this to? yesish If so, people with an addiction? no When she says she is a compulsive gambler, does she expect people to believe her? Well, she hopes to be believed |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet
Post Number: 1323 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 8:51 pm: |      |
Pride was also part of this... Is there something she's prideful about? Something she's not proud of? Or in general is she not a prideful person? If she was/was not prideful, would she be in this situation? Is there something she's trying to hide? Is there a point she's trying to make? Is she just trying to be more accepted? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3372 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 9:08 pm: |      |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1323 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 8:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Pride was also part of this... Is there something she's prideful about? Well, she may be proud of lacking the common vice, but come to think of it, that's irrel, so--BLLLLOOOOOOOOOOPERRRRRALERTTTTTTT!!!--pride is not really relevant to this puzzle Something she's not proud of? no Or in general is she not a prideful person? irrel If she was/was not prideful, would she be in this situation? possibly Is there something she's trying to hide? just tht she's NOT a compulsive gambler Is there a point she's trying to make? yes Is she just trying to be more accepted? no |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet
Post Number: 1328 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 9:34 pm: |      |
Is the point she's trying to make something like... "I'm struggling with this too, but if I can do it you can too." Is it political in nature? An attempt to correct behavior in others? Is she trying to raise awareness in others? Is she interacting with friends? strangers? coworkers? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3374 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 9:45 pm: |      |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1328 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 9:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the point she's trying to make something like... "I'm struggling with this too, but if I can do it you can too." no Is it political in nature? noAn attempt to correct behavior in others? yes Is she trying to raise awareness in others? yesishIs she interacting with friends? yope or noish strangers? no coworkers? no |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet
Post Number: 1333 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 10:22 pm: |      |
Is she with her family? Core family? Family reunion? Is her family doing something she doesn't approve of? Is her family criticizing her for something? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3377 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:02 pm: |      |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1333 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 10:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is she with her family? yes Core family? yes Family reunion? no Is her family doing something she doesn't approve of?possibly or yesish Is her family criticizing her for something? no |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet
Post Number: 1334 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:40 pm: |      |
Is she addressing her... parents? husband? kids? Were they having a discussion that is relevant? Did somebody make a very bigoted comment and she was trying to shut that person up? Make them see reason? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3379 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 12:44 am: |      |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1334 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is she addressing her... parents? yes husband? no kids? no Were they having a discussion that is relevant? possibly but not necessarily Did somebody make a very bigoted comment no and she was trying to shut that person up? no Make them see reason? yope |
Kdoc (Kdoc)
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Post Number: 728 Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 8:25 pm: |      |
Is she trying to give a reason for not seeking money/high ernings? for example she might say to her parents that she doesn't want a highly paid job because the extra cash will just tempt her to gamble - anything like that? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3384 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 9:52 pm: |      |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 728 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 8:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is she trying to give a reason for not seeking money/high ernings?yesish for example she might say to her parents that she doesn't want a highly paid job because the extra cash will just tempt her to gamble - anything like that? no |
Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard
Post Number: 986 Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 9:56 pm: |      |
Is there a particular high-paying career that her parents want her to pursue? |
Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay
Post Number: 1176 Registered: 4-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:07 pm: |      |
Does she claim that she doesn't need a high-paying job because gambling pays her bills? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3385 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:21 pm: |      |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 986 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 9:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is there a particular high-paying career that her parents want her to pursue?no Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1176 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does she claim that she doesn't need a high-paying job because gambling pays her bills? no |
Buzzard (Buzzard)
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Post Number: 989 Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:29 pm: |      |
Is she trying to give a reason for not seeking a high-paying career? For seeking a particular low-paying career? Or for not seeking money in some other context, unrelated to her career? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3388 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:37 pm: |      |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 989 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is she trying to give a reason for not seeking a high-paying career? no For seeking a particular low-paying career? no Or for not seeking money in some other context, unrelated to her career? yes |
Buzzard (Buzzard)
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Post Number: 992 Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:43 pm: |      |
Seeking money from some other particular source? If so: the lottery? sweepstakes? a lawsuit? a tax refund? government benefits? inheritance? gift? sale of something she owns? |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
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Post Number: 1342 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 11:19 pm: |      |
The phrase "I'd never >insert relevant activity<, I'd just gamble it all away." approximately how the conversation went? |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet
Post Number: 1343 Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 11:20 pm: |      |
Did the conversation go something like... "I'd never _________________, I'd just gamble all that money away." Was the conversation meant to be humorous? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3391 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 2:55 pm: |      |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 992 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Seeking money from some other particular source? yes If so: the lottery? no sweepstakes? no a lawsuit? no a tax refund? no government benefits? noinheritance? yes gift? see previous answer sale of something she owns? no Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1342 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 11:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The phrase "I'd never >insert relevant activity<, I'd just gamble it all away." approximately how the conversation went? no Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1343 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 11:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the conversation go something like... "I'd never _________________, I'd just gamble all that money away." no Was the conversation meant to be humorous? no(Moderator/Admin only) Seeking money from some other particular source? yes If so: the lottery? no sweepstakes? no a lawsuit? no a tax refund? no government benefits? noinheritance? yes gift? see previous answer sale of something she owns? no ****** SPOILER ******** As a bioethicist, I am well aware on the pressure on sick old people to forgo life-prolonging medical care in order to leave their hard-earned money to provide luxuries for children & grandchildren who have done nothung to earn it but are often greedy enough to expect it, even at the cost of the sick old people's lives. Lacking this form of wickedness, Lucete tells her sick old parents she's a compulsive gambler so they'll infer that she'll squander an inheritance & hence so they'll have the sense to use their own money to prolong their own lives. Please have the sense to use your own lateral minds to address the new puzzle I'm about to post you know where. |
Buzzard (Buzzard)
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Post Number: 997 Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 5:28 pm: |      |
I have to wonder how well this would really work. If I were a sick old person and had a daughter who told me she had a gambling problem (granted, that's a big "if"), I would probably feel some pressure to use my money to help her in some way, either to pay off her debts or help her get treatment. And that's on top of whatever heartache it would cause (over a period of years, presumably, if I were indeed spending my money on this life-prolonging treatment) to think that my daughter had turned out like that. What's wrong with being honest and saying, "Mom, Dad, you raised me well so that I'm doing fine on my own, and I don't expect an inheritance. Do what you like with the money that you worked hard for, and leave any that's left to your favorite charity"? |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3399 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 8:23 pm: |      |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 997 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 5:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I have to wonder how well this would really work. If I were a sick old person and had a daughter who told me she had a gambling problem (granted, that's a big "if"), I would probably feel some pressure to use my money to help her in some way, either to pay off her debts or help her get treatment. You'd feel obligated to sacrifice your LIFE (i.e., to forgo expensive life-extending medical care) for that? If your daughter were willing to accept the sacrifice, how could she be worth it?And that's on top of whatever heartache it would cause (over a period of years, presumably, if I were indeed spending my money on this life-prolonging treatment) to think that my daughter had turned out like that. What's wrong with being honest and saying, "Mom, Dad, you raised me well so that I'm doing fine on my own, and I don't expect an inheritance. Do what you like with the money that you worked hard for, and leave any that's left to your favorite charity"? Well, I sure hope that works because it's roughly what I told my widowed mother. |
Buzzard (Buzzard)
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Post Number: 998 Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 2:15 pm: |      |
Well, I did not say I'd feel "obligated." I said I'd feel "some pressure" - I'd probably feel more inclined to spend money to help a child out of a specific tough situation than to set aside that same money to be given as a nonspecific inheritance. Of course, it's impossible for me to say what I would actually do, since I neither have children of my own nor require costly medical care to stay alive. But from what I understand, it is not at all unusual for parents to spend money they can't really afford or put themselves in harm's way in order to help their children, which is why I suspect I would feel some inclination in that direction. |
Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue
Post Number: 3414 Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 6:53 pm: |      |
It may be common, but I hope that (like women feeling inclined to play second fiddle to men) it's on the way out. Parents who do feel this inclination might try asking themselves what kind of child would welcome help that is provided at the price of the parent's life.Racism is also common, but that doesn't make me suspect I have any inclination in that direction. Similarly for some harmless traits that are alien to me, such as love of sports. (I also have neither children nor need of costly medical care.} |