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I'm back!

Her mother was badgering her to do it; after all it had to be done sooner or later.

But it was a good thing she hadn't, for if she had, he would have almost certainly died.
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all instances of 'her' and 'she' in the puzzle statement the same individual? H? A? F?

had to be done = MUST be done? should be done?

had she not done it because she didn't want to? was lazy? knew she shouldn't?

'he' is related to 'her'?
'he' is related to 'her mother'?

almost certainly = certainly within all reasonable expectations (i.e. there was no way someone/something could prevent his death that had a reasonable probability of occuring : we can assume 'certainly' for the purposes of this puzzle)?
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@Liquizt

all instances of 'her' and 'she' in the puzzle statement the same individual? Yes H? A? F? Yes to all

had to be done = MUST be done? should be done? This one is more correct.

had she not done it because she didn't want to? Yes-ish was lazy? Yes-ish knew she shouldn't? No

'he' is related to 'her'? Yes
'he' is related to 'her mother'? Yes

almost certainly = certainly within all reasonable expectations (i.e. there was no way someone/something could prevent his death that had a reasonable probability of occuring : we can assume 'certainly' for the purposes of this puzzle)? Yes this seems about right.
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he, to her/her mother = brother/son? uncle/brother? cousin/nephew? son/grandson?
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@Liquizt

he, to her/her mother = brother/son? uncle/brother? cousin/nephew? son/grandson? This one
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Did the thing to do involve the son directly? If so, take him to the doctor? Put him in school? Get him a haircut? Take him to grandma's for a visit?
Was it intended to preserve/improve his health?

Or if it doesn't have to do with him... their house? "her" husband? their car? a store? money? food?
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@Gourami

Did the thing to do involve the son directly? Yes If so, take him to the doctor? Put him in school? Get him a haircut? Take him to grandma's for a visit? None of these
Was it intended to preserve/improve his health? No-ish...OTRT!

Or if it doesn't have to do with him... their house? "her" husband? their car? a store? money? food? So none of these...
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Thing to do:
give him something?
take something from him?
teach him something?
show him something?
take him somewhere?

anyone else involved?
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Thing to do:
give him something?
take something from him?
teach him something? Yes this is accurate
show him something?
take him somewhere?

anyone else involved? No
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Was it something every child learns eventually? Something to do with hygiene? Academics (math, reading, writing?)? Medicine? Is it a fact? Or how to do something?
Oh, by the way, is the son 0-5 years old? 6-10? 11-15? Older?

So, if she had taught him this at any time in the past, he could have died? Is there/will there be any point where it is safe for her to teach him?
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@Gourami

Was it something every child learns eventually? I hope so! Something to do with hygiene? Yes! Explore! Academics (math, reading, writing?)? Medicine? Is it a fact? Or how to do something? This one
Oh, by the way, is the son 0-5 years old? This 6-10? 11-15? Older?

So, if she had taught him this at any time in the past, he could have died? Yes Is there/will there be any point where it is safe for her to teach him? Tough question to answer. I'll leave you with this thought - It was never actually unsafe for her to teach him at any point, it just so happened that if she had, things would have worked out differently - meaning he would have probably died.
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Was it likely that by teaching him this he'd misread/misinterpret/misevaulate a situation in terms of danger/risk etc.? through misapplication of the knowledge? misunderstanding of what it was he'd been taught?

Would it be an obvious, foreseeable consequence of teaching him this, to someone who then witnessed him enter into this situation that threatened his life (i.e. it would have been possible to percieve the risk to his life without knowing exactly what he was thinking)?

Was there a witness to the event(s) that threatened his life? relevant?

Would the situation be obviously dangerous to most adults?
Did he percieve the situation to be dangerous in any way?

Would he have died from:
quick search for a physical LTPF list of untimely deaths to replicate...
impact?
electric shock?
the other kind of shock?
something piercing them?
suffocation?
asphyxiation?
burning?
freezing?
heart attack?
allergies?
drowning?
explosion?
radiation?
poison?
a psionic death ray?
something else?
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Thing to learn:
Washing hands? with warm water? with soap?
cleaning teeth?
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@Liquizt

Was it likely that by teaching him this he'd misread/misinterpret/misevaulate a situation in terms of danger/risk etc.? through misapplication of the knowledge? misunderstanding of what it was he'd been taught? Not at all

Would it be an obvious, foreseeable consequence of teaching him this, to someone who then witnessed him enter into this situation that threatened his life (i.e. it would have been possible to percieve the risk to his life without knowing exactly what he was thinking)? Not at all, good question, but beware FA lurking in your 'i.e.' afterthought

Was there a witness to the event(s) that threatened his life? Yes relevant? Only so much as their role in relating the event itself

Would the situation be obviously dangerous to most adults? Yes
Did he percieve the situation to be dangerous in any way? No, but do remember his age

Would he have died from:
quick search for a physical LTPF list of untimely deaths to replicate...
impact? This
electric shock?
the other kind of shock?
something piercing them? Very possibly this as well
suffocation?
asphyxiation?
burning?
freezing?
heart attack?
allergies?
drowning?
explosion?
radiation?
poison?
a psionic death ray?
something else?

Thing to learn:
Washing hands? with warm water? with soap?
cleaning teeth? None of these but keep exploring!
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He acted without thinking?
impact = blunt force trauma?
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He acted without thinking? Yope - again remember his age
impact = blunt force trauma? Possibly
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Is the hygenic behavior do with going to the bathroom? Eating? Going outside? Pet handling? Getting dressed?

Would the child have been hit by a car? Or other vehicle? Animal involved?
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Is the hygenic behavior do with going to the bathroom? Yes! Eating? Going outside? Pet handling? Getting dressed?

Would the child have been hit by a car? Or other vehicle? Animal involved? None of these - hint: find out what would have brought about the 'impact'
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So let me get straight the people involved. So the "he" is the young child, "her" is his mother, and "her mother" is his grandmother? His grandmother was urging his mother to teach him something, that if he had already been taught at this time, would have resulted in his death?

Would the death have involved him falling into the toilet bowl? falling in some other manner?
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So let me get straight the people involved. So the "he" is the young child, "her" is his mother, and "her mother" is his grandmother? Perfecto His grandmother was urging his mother to teach him something, that if he had already been taught at this time, would have resulted in his death? Precisely

Would the death have involved him falling into the toilet bowl? No falling in some other manner? Yes!
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is potty training relevent?
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Because he had not learnt to do this thing, was he somewhere else when the impact happened?
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is potty training relevent? Yes!

Because he had not learnt to do this thing, was he somewhere else when the impact happened? No, good question
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So he was present in the place of the impact when it happened?

When the impact happened was he standing? sitting down?
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So he was present in the place of the impact when it happened? FA - the impact didn't happen, but I'll give it away - He was in the place where the impact would have happened.

When the impact happened was he standing? sitting down? Neither, explore! :-)
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The previous set of question may bring about some confusion so I want to clear things up:

Jane's mother was pesturing her to potty train her son Jared. But it was a good thing that she didn't get around to doing it, because if she had, he would have almost certainly died from the impact that would have otherwise happened.

Find out how not being potty-trained saved Jared's life! :-)
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Were they by chance on a plane and if he had flushed whilst on the potty he would have been sucked out through the plane and the impact of the ground would kill him? (it's a long shot, I know)

You said the impact didn't happen, so I would assume his diaper didn't cushion him from anything...
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Were they by chance on a plane and if he had flushed whilst on the potty he would have been sucked out through the plane and the impact of the ground would kill him? (it's a long shot, I know)Yikes that would have been dreadful. Interesting solution but not what I have in mind :-)

You said the impact didn't happen, so I would assume his diaper didn't cushion him from anything... It didn't cushion him...but...!!!! ExPlOrE you are almost there!
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Is it relevant that she still had a supply of nappies (daipers) as he was not potty trained?

Which she may not of had if potty training had been done?

And this supply of nappies somehow prevent the impact?
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Is it relevant that she still had a supply of nappies (daipers) as he was not potty trained?

Which she may not of had if potty training had been done?

And this supply of nappies somehow prevent the impact? Yope to all, the fact that she had a 'supply' of diapers wasn't as significant as... what? :-)
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......where she stored them?
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......where she stored them? No. You're getting there though - diapers are very relevant.
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Did the impact happen at her home?
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"...wasn't as significant as" that he was wearing a diaper? He was wearing a diaper because he had not been potty trained? His wearing of a diaper was what saved his life?
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Did the impact happen on the way back from the store?
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Tree tops relevant?
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Did the impact happen at her home? Yesish - again remember that the impact didn't happen :-)

"...wasn't as significant as" that he was wearing a diaper? He was wearing a diaper because he had not been potty trained? His wearing of a diaper was what saved his life? Yes to all! Excellent!

Did the impact happen on the way back from the store? No

Tree tops relevant? No but I see where you're going and I say go with it!
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Was there a bee on the toilet seat? =)

Would he have fallen off the high toilet seat and cracked his head open on the floor?

Was he climbing a tree and as he was about to fall, his diaper got caught on a branch, thus saving his life?
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Was there a bee on the toilet seat? =) Lol, no

Would he have fallen off the high toilet seat and cracked his head open on the floor? Nope

Was he climbing a tree and as he was about to fall, his diaper got caught on a branch, thus saving his life? This is close enough for a ....

*******************SPOILER*********************

Diaper saves baby's life in Brazil!

RIO DE JANEIRO -- A disposable diaper halted the fall of an 18-month-old baby from a third-floor window Tuesday night and saved his life in Recife in northeastern Brazil, local media reported Wednesday.

According to neighbors, baby Caua Felipe Massaneiro's diaper got stuck for several seconds on a sharp iron nail on the building's wall before he fell to the floor.

The impact as the boy fell from the window 10 meters above the ground could have killed him, but the snagged diaper minimized the force and saved him from smashing directly onto the ground.

The boy has been sent to the Sao Jose Memorial Hospital. Manoel Messias, the building's doorman, said the boy was conscious when his parents took him to hospital.

According to a statement released by the hospital Wednesday afternoon, Caua suffered only slight fractures and his condition was stable.

Police have started investigating the circumstances in which Caua fell from the apartment window.

Hope you guys had fun! Thanks for playing along!
Kudos to Liquizt, Gourami, Martinfg, Biograd and Blazingphoenix for working it out!
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Ahhh... Nice one!
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Wow! Good idea for a puzzle.
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Red is too painful a color.

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