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Though they prayed for it to come and rarely got it, they did a lot to prevent it.
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They = people of a certain religious denomination? People of a single nation state? Members of a particular profession? A particular special interest group?

It = rain? Salvation? Luck at the blackjack tables? Promotion? Poetic inspiration? A British tennis victory?

Prayed = simply hoped in a fervent way? Specifically asked a deity for help using a certain form of words? Conducted some sort of ceremony?
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They = people of a certain religious denomination? People of a single nation state? Members of a particular profession? A particular special interest group? First They = none of these, second they = Small group of members of first they = Members of a particular profession

It = rain? <--- Eureka ;-) Salvation? Luck at the blackjack tables? Promotion? Poetic inspiration? A British tennis victory?

Prayed = simply hoped in a fervent way? This mostly Specifically asked a deity for help using a certain form of words? Conducted some sort of ceremony? Possibly these as well but IRR
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So "they (2)" is a subset of "they (1)"? Would it help to establish a particular geographical location? A desert region? A period of history?

Did they pray for rain continuously, or for a special occasion or purpose?

Are they England cricketers on a tour of India, losing horribly (as usual)?

Anything to do with cloud-seeding?
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So "they (2)" is a subset of "they (1)"? YesWould it help to establish a particular geographical location? It would A desert region? This is it A period of history? Not really

Did they pray for rain continuously, or for a special occasion or purpose? IRR

Are they England cricketers on a tour of India, losing horribly (as usual)? Haha! good one but no

Anything to do with cloud-seeding? No
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The prevention--is it something that really could have reduced the amount of rain (scientifically speaking)?

or did they do something that, considering their belief system, they would have realized on second thought should prevent rain (for example, prayed for the wind to blow in another direction, which would have directed clouds somewhere else)?
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The prevention--is it something that really could have reduced the amount of rain (scientifically speaking)? Yes...ish

or did they do something that, considering their belief system, they would have realized on second thought should prevent rain (for example, prayed for the wind to blow in another direction, which would have directed clouds somewhere else)? Not at all
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So... two ideas:
Would the rain benefit them(1), but they(2) knew that it would also negatively impact something?

or, maybe, it was their(2) job to try and prevent the rain?
Maybe the rain was wanted on the dried areas of land but it should be prevented on the football stadium nearby.
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So... two ideas:
Would the rain benefit them(1), but they(2) knew that it would also negatively impact something? No

or, maybe, it was their(2) job to try and prevent the rain? Yes...ish
Maybe the rain was wanted on the dried areas of land but it should be prevented on the football stadium nearby. Not this but you're thinking along vaguely relevant lines
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So is this actually a desert? Is there a modern city here?
Is water wanted for agricultural irrigation? For drinking? (This would imply they have no water pipes. Do they?)

or, maybe, it was their(2) job to try and prevent the rain? Yes...ish
Is the word "job" not spot-on? Or just that the job is actually more general, and this is just a specific case?

Do they want to prevent the entire rain over the entire area?
I assume there is an area involved(first assumption), in which all of them live(second assumption).
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So is this actually a desert? Yes Is there a modern city here? Yes
Is water wanted for agricultural irrigation? No For drinking? No (This would imply they have no water pipes. Do they?) They do

or, maybe, it was their(2) job to try and prevent the rain? Yes...ish
Is the word "job" not spot-on? No, it is Or just that the job is actually more general, and this is just a specific case? Precisely

Do they want to prevent the entire rain over the entire area? No
I assume there is an area involved(first assumption) Yes, in which all of them live(second assumption)Yes you could assume this.

The important point here is that the "rain" that they(2) were trying to prevent was in a particular "area" of this modern city - desert... good work! keep cracking at it!
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Did they want rain because it was just too hot and dry to live?
Are sports relevant? Romanians sometimes hope for rain during important football matches, so we can beat more technical opponents :D
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Did they want rain because it was just too hot and dry to live? Yesish, but this is IRR, the important aspect is that they did a lot to PREVENT rain in a particular place

Are sports relevant? No Romanians sometimes hope for rain during important football matches, so we can beat more technical opponents :D Haha we Indians do that as well, but this puzzle is about something else :-)
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Are there any electronics in that particular place? Would rain damage them?
Say, is a rock band performing outdoors, and the water would make short work of their amps and gear?

Would water be destructive in that place? In a non-electrical way? Mechanical way? Chemical?

Or maybe it wouldn't be destructive at all? Annoying? Beneficial to competition or something similar?

Do they want it not to rain on top of the penitenciary because prisoners are held under control by giving them limited amounts of water?
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Are there any electronics in that particular place? Yes Would rain damage them? Possibly
Say, is a rock band performing outdoors, and the water would make short work of their amps and gear? Not this

Would water be destructive in that place? Yes In a non-electrical way? Mechanical way? Chemical? All these are possible

Or maybe it wouldn't be destructive at all? Annoying? Beneficial to competition or something similar? None of these

Do they want it not to rain on top of the penitenciary because prisoners are held under control by giving them limited amounts of water? Kudos to your lateral mind for these brilliant solutions but my solution lies elsewhere :-)
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Is the area a building? Is there a word better than area for it? Is it a power plant or some similar utility?
Would such an area be possible in a less-than-modern city?
Do the rain-preventers work for that specific area? (for example if it were a power plant, do they work for the electric company?) Do they work for the city hall? For someone on a higher level?

Is the military involved?
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Is the area a building? Yes! Is there a word better than area for it? Certainly Is it a power plant or some similar utility? No
Would such an area be possible in a less-than-modern city? I highly doubt it
Do the rain-preventers work for that specific area? Yes (for example if it were a power plant, do they work for the electric company?) Do they work for the city hall? For someone on a higher level? Not these

Is the military involved? No
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Is there something sensitive on the roof of the building?
Would water infiltrate inside the building?
Is it a hotel? an office building? company HQ? a factory? A server farm belonging to an ISP or similar?
Is the fact that rain reduces visibility relevant?
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Is there something sensitive on the roof of the building? No
Would water infiltrate inside the building? No
Is it a hotel? Yes! an office building? company HQ? a factory? A server farm belonging to an ISP or similar?
Is the fact that rain reduces visibility relevant? No
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Does it have a swimming pool?
Is it the only hotel there? The best/most expensive one? Is its location special? (such as on a hill, or in a hole)
Is it simply that tourists wouldn't like it to rain, as they'd rather just sip a cocktail on the terrace?
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Does it have a swimming pool? Yes, IRR
Is it the only hotel there? No The best/most expensive one? Yes Is its location special? Yes but IRR (such as on a hill, or in a hole)
Is it simply that tourists wouldn't like it to rain, as they'd rather just sip a cocktail on the terrace?No

There is a slight FA lurking in all your questions which really determines this puzzle. I will let out that it is to do with where it might have "rained". Now this should get easier :-)
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So they were not trying to prevent rain on the hotel, but on the adjacent beach or something like that? So that all the tourists won't come running in the hotel as that would be hard to manage by the staff?
I feel like i'm straying off...
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So they were not trying to prevent rain on the hotel, but on the adjacent beach or something like that? So that all the tourists won't come running in the hotel as that would be hard to manage by the staff? Nice thought but no
I feel like i'm straying off... Nah you're working well with the clues; just to nudge you a bit on track - this isn't usual rain.
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The rain they prayed for is the same kind of rain they are trying to avoid?

Does it come from clouds? Does it rain water?
Is it acid rain?
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The rain they prayed for is the same kind of rain they are trying to avoid? No, rain they prayed for = the usual rain from the skies... the rain they prevented = something else.

Does it come from clouds? Yope Does it rain water? Yes
Is it acid rain? No
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Perhaps the "reign" of an evil king? (just kidding =P)

Was the rain they prevented just the normal kind?
You said "Yope" to it coming from clouds... Is it from a waterfall that is dangerously close to the hotel?
A rain of fire!
It is rain in the form of water? (So no snow, hail, etc.?)
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The yope:
Does the rain they prayed for come from the skies?
Does the rain they prevented come from the skies?

Does the rain they prevented consist of water? Is it inside or outside the hotel?
Is the fact that rain water hits the hotel relevant at all?
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Perhaps the "reign" of an evil king? (just kidding =P) ;-)

Was the rain they prevented just the normal kind? No it wasn't
You said "Yope" to it coming from clouds... Is it from a waterfall that is dangerously close to the hotel? No
A rain of fire! :-O
It is rain in the form of water? (So no snow, hail, etc.?) It would have almost certainly been just liquid water "rain" if it hadn't been prevented

The yope:
Does the rain they prayed for come from the skies? Yes
Does the rain they prevented come from the skies? No

Does the rain they prevented consist of water? Yes Is it inside or outside the hotel? Inside! GOOD QUESTION
Is the fact that rain water hits the hotel relevant at all? IRR

Almost there lads!
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HAHA, were they hoping that the sprinkler system didn't go off because it would ruin furniture, carpets, and the like because of a fire?
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HAHA, were they hoping that the sprinkler system didn't go off because it would ruin furniture, carpets, and the like because of a fire? Good one but no :-)
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Is the rain inside triggered by the rain outside in any way?
Is the rain inside present in all the hotel?
In (some of?) the guest rooms?
In (some of?) the corridors?
In the lobby?
In (some of?) the bathrooms?
In a special room such as a sauna?
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Were there holes in the ceiling? So if it rained outside, it would "rain" inside too?
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Is the rain inside triggered by the rain outside in any way? No, FA - there is quite likely no rain outside at all!
Is the rain inside present in all the hotel? Unlikely
In (some of?) the guest rooms? Unlikely
In (some of?) the corridors? Possible some
In the lobby? Most probably
In (some of?) the bathrooms? Unlikely
In a special room such as a sauna? Unlikely
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Were there holes in the ceiling? So if it rained outside, it would "rain" inside too? Nope
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NOTE: The 'yope' to "Does it come from clouds" needs to be changed to a "yesish" w.r.t. the relevant inside-the-hotel "rain". And for simplicity sake assume that it wasn't raining outside, and that no rainfall was expected.
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Was there anything that produced condensed water (ie clouds) in the lobby? Were there such "artificial" clouds inside? Is the humidity outside relevant? The humidity inside?
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Did it have something to do with the fountain inside the lobby?
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Was there anything that produced condensed water (ie clouds) in the lobby? YES! But lobby is misleading, think bigger Were there such "artificial" clouds inside? There weren't because it was prevented, but there could have been. Find out how! Is the humidity outside relevant? Only in as much as it would likely affect the humidity inside. The humidity inside? Only in as much as you need humidity for the condensation to happen.

Did it have something to do with the fountain inside the lobby? No

BTW: Remember that they(2) succeeded in preventing the "rain" inside the hotel. How they managed that is also interesting.

HINT: Find out more about the hotel.
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Is it a casino?
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Is it a casino? No
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Is it "raining" on an entire floor? And the lobby and some corridors are on that floor, but no rooms etc?
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Is it "raining" on an entire floor? And the lobby and some corridors are on that floor, but no rooms etc? Noish... even bigger! (This is where the important aspect of the hotel comes in. Remember - I said Yesish to clouds ;-) )
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Is the hotel taller than 5 floors? than 10 floors? than 50 floors?
Does it have some sort of atrium? Going all the way to the top?
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Is the hotel taller than 5 floors? than 10 floors? than 50 floors? This one
Does it have some sort of atrium? YES!Going all the way to the top? YES!

I have an inkling you have this one in the bag, so go ahead and spill the beans so I can $poil :-)
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I find that finishing off puzzles is the part i'm worst at.

So this skyscraper-hotel in a desert city has an interesting architecture, with an atrium in the center. However due to the humidity, because of the height "clouds" can form at the top and it might be possible to rain inside, so the staff uses air conditioning systems to regulate the humidity levels... or similar.
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I find that finishing off puzzles is the part i'm worst at. I'd say you're bloody good!

So this skyscraper-hotel in a desert city has an interesting architecture, with an atrium in the center. However due to the humidity, because of the height "clouds" can form at the top and it might be possible to rain inside, so the staff uses air conditioning systems to regulate the humidity levels... or similar. This is too close for me not to disclose the...

*********SPOILER**********

The Burj Al Arab (literally, Tower of the Arabs) is a luxury hotel located in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, where I did my four years of engineering.

At 321 metres (1,053 ft), it is the tallest building used exclusively as a hotel. The Burj Al Arab stands on an artificial island 280 metres (919 ft) out from Jumeirah beach, and is connected to the mainland by a private curving bridge. It is an iconic structure, designed to symbolize Dubai's urban transformation and to mimic the sail of a dhow, a type of Arabian vessel. Two "wings" spread in a V to form a vast "mast", while the space between them is enclosed in a massive atrium.

Inside the building, the atrium is 180 meters (590 ft) tall. During the construction phase, to lower the interior temperature, the building was cooled by one degree per day over 6 months. This was to prevent large amounts of "condensation or in fact even a rain cloud from forming in the hotel during the period of construction." This task was accomplished by several cold air nozzles, which point down from the top of the ceiling, and blast a 1 meter cold air pocket down the inside of the sail. This creates a buffer zone, which controls the interior temperature without massive energy costs.

For interested puzzlers: Here's another thing the Burj is famous for: "Tennis on the Burj"

Well done Zephyr for cracking this one! Thanks all for playing along!
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PS: The 'tennis court' is in fact the Burj's private helipad! If you've got the moolah to throw around, you could land at Dubai airport and step into a helicopter that would take you straight to this grotesquely opulent hotel.

All said and done though, having seen the Burj myself, it's definitely breathtaking. Here are a few photos for you to oggle at:

In the daytime
At dusk
By night

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