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Gourami (Gourami)
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In a recent election in Lateralia, one candidate got the votes of everyone who had a particular disability, although she never said anything even remotely related to that disability.

Might be a quickie.
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Did she get support because they could see she had the disability herself?

Is the disability physical?
skeletal disability?
muscle disability?
sight/blindness?
deafness?
missing limb?
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Did she get support because they could see she had the disability herself? No. Haha, I didn't even think of that.

Is the disability physical? Noish.
skeletal disability?
muscle disability?
sight/blindness?
deafness?
missing limb? No to all.
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Did the disability inhibit voters from voting for another candidate somehow, or carry some sort of misinformation to the voters? Did voters with the disability somehow fail to realize there were other candidates on the ballot?
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Noish to physical.... hmmmm.... maybe partly physical and mental.... not necessarily a mental disease, but maybe.... this:
Was it a speech or thought pattern disability like maybe tourette syndrome?
or something like it?
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Could it have been a man instead of a woman?
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Is it dyslexia? A phobia?

Anything to do with the names of the candidates?
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Rcs (Rcs)

Did the disability inhibit voters from voting for another candidate somehow, or carry some sort of misinformation to the voters? No. Did voters with the disability somehow fail to realize there were other candidates on the ballot? No.

Bigpurple (Bigpurple)

Noish to physical.... hmmmm.... maybe partly physical and mental.... not necessarily a mental disease, but maybe.... this:
Was it a speech or thought pattern disability like maybe tourette syndrome? No.
or something like it? Sort of. Similar mixture of mental/physical.

Bigpurple (Bigpurple)

Could it have been a man instead of a woman? Absolutely.

Woodworm (Woodworm)

Is it dyslexia? No, but along these lines...A phobia? No.

Anything to do with the names of the candidates? Nope.
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Is it a predominantly mental disability? Like autism? A learning difficulty? ALS? Alzheimer's? Along these lines?

Is it relevant that the election was held in Lateralia? Is this a true event? Did any of her family members/friends have this disability? Was she elected because she made promises to eliminate what was causing the disability without knowing that it caused the disability? Was she elected because she could cure the disability (without knowing it)?
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Is it a predominantly mental disability? Yes. Like autism? A learning difficulty? ALS? Alzheimer's? None of these. Along these lines? Not really...

Is it relevant that the election was held in Lateralia? No, it's just the land of lateral. =) Is this a true event? No, although based on a true observation. Did any of her family members/friends have this disability? Irr.Was she elected because she made promises to eliminate what was causing the disability without knowing that it caused the disability? No. Was she elected because she could cure the disability (without knowing it)? No.
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Did everybody with the disability who voted for her mean to do so? Could they haved voted for someone else if they wanted to?
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Did everybody with the disability who voted for her mean to do so? Yes. Could they haved voted for someone else if they wanted to? Yes.
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Colour blindness?
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Did they vote for her because they thought if she was elected life would get better for them? That she would do something to benefit people with their disability? Had she said something relevant whilst campaigning? Made any relevant promises? Did she have any relevant policies? Is there anything relevant about the person/people she was campaigning against? (Presumably she did have opponents??)

Is the method used to vote relevant?
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Colour blindness? No.

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Did they vote for her because they thought if she was elected life would get better for them?Not necessarily. That she would do something to benefit people with their disability? No.Had she said something relevant whilst campaigning? No. Made any relevant promises? No. Did she have any relevant policies? No. Is there anything relevant about the person/people she was campaigning against? YES. (Presumably she did have opponents?? Haha, yes.)

Is the method used to vote relevant? No.
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Dyspraxia? Dyscalculia?

Does it matter how many other candidates stood in the election? Did the other candidates have policies that discriminated against people with this disability (I'm guessing not, as that wouldn't be very lateral)? Or did the people with the disability simply think that the other candidates were bad news, because their disability led them to misconstrue something?
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Dyspraxia? No. Dyscalculia? No.

Does it matter how many other candidates stood in the election? Yes; one. Did the other candidates have policies that discriminated against people with this disability (I'm guessing not, as that wouldn't be very lateral)? No, not exciting enough. =) Or did the people with the disability simply think that the other candidates were bad news, because their disability led them to misconstrue something? No.
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Would the people with the disability have elected anyone in place of her opponent? or is who she is a factor as well?
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So there's a definitive difference between the two candidates?
This difference; does it involve:
Names?
Political opinions?
Background?
Social opinions?

So they knowingly decided to vote for her? Did they have a clear reason in their heads that made sense to them? Or was the decision a random one, dependent on some aspect of the disability?

Did they make the decision to vote for her before stepping into the voting booth? Or did it have something to do with the orientation fo the candidates' names on the voting card?

Since you said OTRT to dyslexia, is this some sort of learning disability? An inability to understand a certain concept?
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Would the people with the disability have elected anyone in place of her opponent? Possibly. It is true that they were voting against her opponent rather than for her.or is who she is a factor as well?

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So there's a definitive difference between the two candidates? Yesish...
This difference; does it involve:
Names?
Political opinions?
Background?
Social opinions? No...ish.

So they knowingly decided to vote for her? Yes. Did they have a clear reason in their heads that made sense to them? Yes. Or was the decision a random one, dependent on some aspect of the disability? No.

Did they make the decision to vote for her before stepping into the voting booth? Yes.Or did it have something to do with the orientation fo the candidates' names on the voting card? No.

Since you said OTRT to dyslexia, is this some sort of learning disability? No. An inability to understand a certain concept? Noish.
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Did her OPPONENT ever say anything about the disability? (I don't think that's been asked yet.)
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Did her OPPONENT ever say anything about the disability? (I don't think that's been asked yet.) It hasn't, actually! But no.
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Alright brace yourself for brute force!

Is the disability related to any of the following:

Mental retardation?
Motor skills disorders?
Cognitive disorders?
Substance-related?
Psychotic?
Mood disorders?
Sexual/Gender identity?
Eating disorders?
Sleep disorders?
Communication disorders?
Deafness?
Blindness?
Developmental?
Spinal cord injury?
Stuttering?

So the candidate they voted against made a statement (verbal/written) that somehow led these disabled individuals to -

be offended?
be skeptical about how much he would support them?
believe that he was generally a bad person?
be under the impression that he had done something sinful? criminal? immoral? unethical?
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Alright brace yourself for brute force! braced.

Is the disability related to any of the following:

Mental retardation?
Motor skills disorders?
Cognitive disorders?
Substance-related?
Psychotic?
Mood disorders?
Sexual/Gender identity?
Eating disorders?
Sleep disorders?
Communication disorders? I would place it here.
Deafness?
Blindness?
Developmental?
Spinal cord injury?
Stuttering? No to rest.

So the candidate they voted against made a statement (verbal/written) that somehow led these disabled individuals to -

be offended? Possibly.
be skeptical about how much he would support them? No.
believe that he was generally a bad person? Yesish.
be under the impression that he had done something sinful? criminal? immoral? unethical? Definitely unethical, could amount to all of these things.
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Did they take some word or phrase literally that was meant figuratively? Did the opponent use the word "kill" in a figurative sense and think that he'd literally killed someone? Or some similar kind of misunderstanding?
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Is this a well-known disability?

Was the possibly offensive statement made verbally? in writing? relevant? If verbal, and I were to converse with a person having this disability (assuming that's possible), would he/she have a clear problem understanding my words? same for written if applicable?

Could the opponent who made the possibly offensive statement have reasonably been aware that it could offend people with this disability?
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Hi!

So the people with the disability want to stop candiate B (the opponent of the candiadte in the puzzle statement) from being elected - correct?

because they believe candidate B has acted unethically? will act so in future? are they worried about poissible changes to legislation if B wins? if B wins do they believe they will be discriminated against in some way? ridiculed? lose opportunities? do they think that electing candidate B will mean they risk losing their jobs?

Or do they just want tp punish candidate B for something he/she said? something concerning them? or their disability? did he make a bad joke at their expense?

the disability - a speech impediment? lisping? are they tone deaf? are they poor spellers? illiterate?
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Rcs (Rcs)

Did they take some word or phrase literally that was meant figuratively? No. Did the opponent use the word "kill" in a figurative sense and think that he'd literally killed someone? Or some similar kind of misunderstanding? Nothing like that.

Biograd (Biograd)

Is this a well-known disability? No, it isn't. But its effect shouldn't be too hard to guess.

Was the possibly offensive statement made verbally? This. in writing? relevant? YES. If verbal, and I were to converse with a person having this disability (assuming that's possible), would he/she have a clear problem understanding my words? YES. same for written if applicable? NO.

Could the opponent who made the possibly offensive statement have reasonably been aware that it could offend people with this disability? Yope...hard to answer.

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Hi! Hello!

So the people with the disability want to stop candiate B (the opponent of the candiadte in the puzzle statement) from being elected - correct? Yes.

because they believe candidate B has acted unethically? Yes. will act so in future? Probably. are they worried about poissible changes to legislation if B wins? Not necessarily. if B wins do they believe they will be discriminated against in some way? ridiculed? lose opportunities? do they think that electing candidate B will mean they risk losing their jobs? None of the above.

Or do they just want tp punish candidate B for something he/she said? Noish. something concerning them? or their disability? did he make a bad joke at their expense? No to rest.

the disability - a speech impediment? lisping? are they tone deaf? are they poor spellers? illiterate? None of these.

Hint: There's an FA lurking in the background of a majority of these questions, but its too subtle for me to call you on. With that worked out and with the answers to Biograd's latest questions, you should be close.
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Are accents relevant?

Does the disability prevent entire words from being heard? just certain sounds? or does it not affect hearing at all? do they have difficulty remembering words if presented in an auditory manner, even though they hear the sounds correctly?

If I were to listen to a very lousy recording of the opponent's speech, with lost of static and the sound cutting in and out, etc. could I mishear it in a way that would make me think the candidate had been unethical?

Had the opponent in fact DONE the thing that could be construed as unethical, but only people without the disability managed to correctly hear the true explanation for the action?
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Are accents relevant? No.

Does the disability prevent entire words from being heard? Yesish. just certain sounds? or does it not affect hearing at all? But also yesish. do they have difficulty remembering words if presented in an auditory manner, even though they hear the sounds correctly? No.

If I were to listen to a very lousy recording of the opponent's speech, with lost of static and the sound cutting in and out, etc. could I mishear it in a way that would make me think the candidate had been unethical? No.

Had the opponent in fact DONE the thing that could be construed as unethical, YES! but only people without the disability managed to correctly hear the true explanation for the action? No.
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So was the misunderstanding that the people with the disability had related to: the details of the act itself? the intentions with which the act was carried out? neither of these?

Did the people without the disability also consider the act unethical, but just not as severely so?

Could the opponent have avoided the misunderstanding by speaking slower? enunciating words better? using a different tone of voice? using simpler vocabulary?
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So was the misunderstanding that the people with the disability had related to: the details of the act itself? the intentions with which the act was carried out? neither of these? FA. Finally, I can actually point to the FA.

Did the people without the disability also consider the act unethical, but just not as severely so? Hard to answer, maybe try rephrasing?

Could the opponent have avoided the misunderstanding by speaking slower? enunciating words better? using a different tone of voice? Possibly this, but probably not. And big FA. using simpler vocabulary?
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So is the FA that the people with the disability misunderstood what the opponent was saying? Was it in fact the people withOUT the disability who misunderstood? or neither?

Were both groups of voters aware of the (potentially) unethical act?
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So is the FA that the people with the disability misunderstood what the opponent was saying? Yope. Was it in fact the people withOUT the disability who misunderstood? Yesish. or neither? You're thinking in the right direction.

Were both groups of voters aware of the (potentially) unethical act? No (unless someone in one group told someone in the other).
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Did the opponent really commit the (potentially) unethical act?
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Is it autism? For instance, some autistic people don't understand jokes or irony, and take everything literally: anything like that? Did the candidate make a slip of the tongue?
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Did the opponent really commit the (potentially) unethical act? Absolutely.

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Is it autism? No. For instance, some autistic people don't understand jokes or irony, and take everything literally: anything like that? No. Did the candidate make a slip of the tongue? No.
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Was the unethical act fraud of some sort?
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Was the unethical act fraud of some sort? Yes, I'd say so.
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So the opponent really was a fraudster, and said so? But many people without the disability voted for him anyway? Did they, for some reason, think he was not a fraudster? Was it a free and fair election? Or was intimidation used? Bribery? Ballot-rigging? Gerrymandering? Is Zimbabwe relevant at all? Anything to do with pregnant chads?
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So the opponent really was a fraudster, Yes. and said so? No. But many people without the disability voted for him anyway? They voted without regard to this incident. Did they, for some reason, think he was not a fraudster? Irr. Was it a free and fair election? Yes. Or was intimidation used? Bribery? Ballot-rigging? Gerrymandering? Is Zimbabwe relevant at all? Anything to do with pregnant chads? No to rest. But I like all the funny words. =)
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Did the fraud involve:
theft/embezzlement of money?
tax evasion?
an attempt to bias the electoral process (in a previous election)?
non-disclosure of information whose disclosure was required by law?
none of these?

Did the people with the disability know of the fraud? those without?
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Did the fraud involve:
theft/embezzlement of money?
tax evasion?
an attempt to bias the electoral process (in a previous election)?
non-disclosure of information whose disclosure was required by law?
none of these? It could involve any of these, but that wouldn't be the main thing.

Did the people with the disability know of the fraud? Yes. those without? NO.
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Did those with a disability actually SEE the opponent making a speech?
If they had heard it on a radio would they draw the same conclusion?
If they saw it written in a paper would they draw the same conclusion?
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Hmmmm, the plot thickens. So this candidate was a fraudster, and ONLY the specifically-disabled people knew this, yes? All other voters had no idea?

Were the disabled people, in fact, the victims of the fraud? Or did they have some savant-like ability to detect that he was a fraudster? Did their disability give them access to some sort of relevant technology that was instrumental in detecting the fraud? Is lip-reading relevant? Sign language? Body language? Wordplay? Spoonerisms? Lie detectors? Anagrams? Different languages? Subtitles? Scripts of the speech? Recordings of the speech? Did they play back the speech at a different speed?

Was Mr Fraudster using an assumed identity? Was he impersonating someone else? Did he have the constitutional right to contest the election?
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Did those with a disability actually SEE the opponent making a speech? YES.
If they had heard it on a radio would they draw the same conclusion? No.
If they saw it written in a paper would they draw the same conclusion? No.

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Hmmmm, the plot thickens. So this candidate was a fraudster, and ONLY the specifically-disabled people knew this, yes? Yes. All other voters had no idea? Exactly.

Were the disabled people, in fact, the victims of the fraud? Yesish, don't form an FA though...Or did they have some savant-like ability to detect that he was a fraudster? Yope. Did their disability give them access to some sort of relevant technology that was instrumental in detecting the fraud? No. Is lip-reading relevant? Sign language? Body language? This. Wordplay? Spoonerisms? Lie detectors? Anagrams? Different languages? Subtitles? Scripts of the speech? Recordings of the speech? Did they play back the speech at a different speed? No to rest.

Was Mr Fraudster using an assumed identity? Was he impersonating someone else? No. Did he have the constitutional right to contest the election? No.

I think we're almost there.
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So are these disabled individuals unable to understand body language?

Was the fraud simply the fact that he stood for elections though he was ineligible?

Another thought - perhaps the reason non-disabled individuals had no clue of his fraud was because he did not actually do/say anything that would suggest it, but the disabled people who had some impairment when it came to interpreting his body language misunderstood it, assumed he was a fraud, and by sheer fluke were correct?

Did they actually see something that the able people did not?
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So are these disabled individuals unable to understand body language? No.

Was the fraud simply the fact that he stood for elections though he was ineligible? No.

Another thought - perhaps the reason non-disabled individuals had no clue of his fraud was because he did not actually do/say anything that would suggest it, but the disabled people who had some impairment when it came to interpreting his body language misunderstood it, assumed he was a fraud, and by sheer fluke were correct? No.

Did they actually see something that the able people did not? YES.
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Were the disabled people better at reading body language than their able bodied associates?

Did his body language suggest he was lying?
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Martinfg (Martinfg)

Were the disabled people better at reading body language than their able bodied associates? Yes, there is more involved than body language though.

Did his body language suggest he was lying? Yesish.

All you really need to find now is the disability, and I'll spoil.
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Could it be auditory processing disorder? According to Wikipedia, people with this impairment in understanding spoken words sometimes compensate by relying more on body language than the average person. I don't know if that would allow them to see something others wouldn't but it's at least plausible.
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Could it be auditory processing disorder? According to Wikipedia, people with this impairment in understanding spoken words sometimes compensate by relying more on body language than the average person. I don't know if that would allow them to see something others wouldn't but it's at least plausible. Exactly. Thanks for sticking with it, guys, and good job!

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The disability is verbal aphasia. People who can hear but are unable to process language compensate by being good readers of body language and especially tone. It is thus easier for them to spot when someone is being deceitful, even if they don't know exactly what's being said.

Oliver Sacks, in one of his many books on the brain, relates an incident in which a hospital ward full of verbal aphasics were all laughing at a political debate, while the doctors and nurses could see nothing funny. It was blatently obvious to the aphasics that one of the candidates was lying.

I assumed that they would tend not to vote for him.
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Excellent puzzle; funny how most of our questions were attempting to find what the disabled persons could NOT do rather than could :-) Nice Red herring!
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Yes. I imagine Oliver Sacks's books must be a rich source for lateral puzzles, now you mention it.
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Yes, I was surprised how long it took to work out that the disabled weren't misinformed, it was the able people who were. I guess we don't normally think in those terms!

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