| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 336 Registered: 5-2003 |
They were promoted because he lost his pants. Explain. | ||
| Alanlin (Alanlin)
New member Username: Alanlin Post Number: 90 Registered: 6-2007 |
He= H?A?M? They= 2 people? 3? 4? 5 or more? H?A?M? Is 'he' part of 'they'? By lost do you mean misplaced? Or were they taken away from him? If the latter is the case, was he wearing the pants in question? Relevant what type of pants? Profession relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 337 Registered: 5-2003 |
He= H?A?M? Yes to all. They= 2 people? 3? This. 4? 5 or more? H?A?M? Yes to all. Is 'he' part of 'they'? Yes. By lost do you mean misplaced? Yesish. Or were they taken away from him? Noish. If the latter is the case, was he wearing the pants in question? Yes. Relevant what type of pants? No. Profession relevant? Yes. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1465 Registered: 3-2006 |
Pants in the US sense (ie. trousers)? Or underpants? I assume he was wearing them just before he lost them? Or did he simply forget he was wearing them? "He lost them" = he took them off? Is he a professional stripper? A poker player? A sportsman? Is he a betting man? Did his two colleagues also lose their pants? Is anything relevant in the pockets of his pants? Anything to do with zip-fasteners? Lightning? Did he use his pants in some way (eg a yachtsman using his fine worsted trews to repair a hole in the foresail)? "Promoted" = given a pay rise? Promoted in a league or other sporting body? Or promoted = advertised (eg a rock band might get extra publicity if the lead singer got his kit off in public)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 339 Registered: 5-2003 |
Pants in the US sense (ie. trousers)? Yes. Or underpants? No. I assume he was wearing them just before he lost them? Yes. Or did he simply forget he was wearing them? No. "He lost them" = he took them off? No. Is he a professional stripper? No. A poker player? No. A sportsman? No. Is he a betting man? No. Did his two colleagues also lose their pants? No. Is anything relevant in the pockets of his pants? No. Anything to do with zip-fasteners? Possibly. Lightning? No. Did he use his pants in some way (eg a yachtsman using his fine worsted trews to repair a hole in the foresail)? No. "Promoted" = given a pay rise? This. Promoted in a league or other sporting body? No. Or promoted = advertised (eg a rock band might get extra publicity if the lead singer got his kit off in public)? No. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 171 Registered: 6-2008 |
Did he lose his pants while performing the job for which he was promoted? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 172 Registered: 6-2008 |
Sorry, it makes more sense to say "the job at which he was given a raise"--my previous wording seems to be confusing as I look at it now. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 344 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he lose his pants while performing the job at which he was given a raise? Yope. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 191 Registered: 2-2008 |
Is any machinery involved? I'm picturing something ripping his pants off...OTRT? If no...were his pants destroyed? Damaged in any way? Torn? Is he likely to ever get them back? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 345 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is any machinery involved? No. I'm picturing something ripping his pants off...OTRT? Yesish. If no...were his pants destroyed? No. Damaged in any way? Probably. Torn? Assume no. Is he likely to ever get them back? Assume no. | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
New member Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 558 Registered: 9-2007 |
When you say "they" were promoted, and that "he" was part of "they", does this mean that he was promoted as well? Did he die as a result of losing his pants? Was the pay rise a sort of hush bribe by the employers? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 346 Registered: 5-2003 |
When you say "they" were promoted, and that "he" was part of "they", does this mean that he was promoted as well? Yes. Did he die as a result of losing his pants? No. Was the pay rise a sort of hush bribe by the employers? No. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 193 Registered: 2-2008 |
Did "they" pull his pants off? Did he? Did anyone? So, there's him and two others, right? Anyone else directly involved in the pant-losing? Did they all do the same job before being promoted? After? | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 347 Registered: 11-2007 |
Were they promoted for something they did as a result of his losing his pants? Were they promoted for an act of heroism? Were they promoted for an act of problem solving? Did they develop a solution so that an event like this would not occur again? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 347 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did "they" pull his pants off? No. Did he? No. Did anyone? No. So, there's him and two others, right? No. Anyone else directly involved in the pant-losing? No. Did they all do the same job before being promoted? Yes. After? While the job was different, they all had the same one. Were they promoted for something they did as a result of his losing his pants? Yope. Were they promoted for an act of heroism? No. Were they promoted for an act of problem solving? Yope. Did they develop a solution so that an event like this would not occur again? No. | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 348 Registered: 11-2007 |
So they= 3 people and he is part of they, but they does not= him and two other people? Did they work as a team before he lost his pants? after they were promoted? When he "lost" his pants, did he know where they were (or could be found, I should say)? Did something positive happen as a direct result of his losing his pants that caused them to be promoted? Did he lose his pants as a result of an accident? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 348 Registered: 5-2003 |
So they= 3 people and he is part of they, but they does not= him and two other people? Oops, that's a blooper. It IS him and two others! (egg on face) Sorry. Did they work as a team before he lost his pants? No, irrelevant. after they were promoted? No, irrelevant. When he "lost" his pants, did he know where they were (or could be found, I should say) Assume no. Did something positive happen as a direct result of his losing his pants that caused them to be promoted? No. Did he lose his pants as a result of an accident? Yes. The exact nature of the accident is irrelevant, but the circumstances under which it occurred are relevant. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 198 Registered: 2-2008 |
Were his pants thrown by anyone? Anything? Did they fall off? Were they burnt? Did he take them off on purpose, then immediately "lose" them? Were they promoted because: losing the pants was the right thing to do in this situation? After this, they seemed suitable or a certain job? They showed obediance to the company? Because they showed intelligence? Becuse they showed stupidity? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 349 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were his pants thrown by anyone? Anything? Did they fall off? This, none of the others. Were they burnt? Did he take them off on purpose, then immediately "lose" them? Were they promoted because: losing the pants was the right thing to do in this situation? No. After this, they seemed suitable or a certain job? Yope. They did show potential, though. They showed obediance to the company? No. Because they showed intelligence? No. Becuse they showed stupidity? Yope. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 203 Registered: 2-2008 |
Were they the wrong size pants? Did he make them fall for comedic effect? Had he neglected to wear suspenders? Or (wild guess) was he using the suspenders for something else? Had the pants been stretched? Had he lost weight? Did the other two make his pants fall off in any way? Did this incident show that the three could think outside the box? Or that they thought in a way that would be advantageous in a different job? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 350 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they the wrong size pants? Possibly, but not necessarily. Did he make them fall for comedic effect? No, but there is a comedic element to this puzzle. Had he neglected to wear suspenders? Apparently so. Or (wild guess) was he using the suspenders for something else? No. Had the pants been stretched? No. Had he lost weight? Possibly, but not necessarily. Did the other two make his pants fall off in any way? No. Did this incident show that the three could think outside the box? Yope. Or that they thought in a way that would be advantageous in a different job? No. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 204 Registered: 2-2008 |
Did losing the pants cause them to do something else? If so, were they trying to replace the pants? Trying to find them? Trying to get them back on him? Hm...is this the Three Stooges? Marx Brothers? Another comedic show? (Don't worry, if it is I've never seen it.) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 351 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did losing the pants cause them to do something else? Yope. If so, were they trying to replace the pants? Trying to find them? Trying to get them back on him? None of the above. Hm...is this the Three Stooges? Marx Brothers? Another comedic show? (Don't worry, if it is I've never seen it.) No, it's from a short story. The story is mildly humorous, but also based on truth (I don't know how much). Sorry for all the Yopes, but it might help if you went at this from another tack for awhile. Laterally, as it were. :p | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 201 Registered: 6-2008 |
If, immediately after he lost the first pair of pants, someone would have handed him another identical one, and he put them on, would he still have been promoted? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 374 Registered: 5-2003 |
If, immediately after he lost the first pair of pants, someone would have handed him another identical one, and he put them on, would he still have been promoted? Excellent question. No! | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 39 Registered: 9-2008 |
Let's figure out the profession: Artistic /musical /writer? Banking / financial / real estate? Clerical / Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Security / Law Enforcement? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation /Livery / Trucking ? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 408 Registered: 5-2003 |
Artistic /musical /writer? Banking / financial / real estate? Clerical / Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? This, no others. Security / Law Enforcement? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation /Livery / Trucking ? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 424 Registered: 5-2003 |
Think about how military men go about getting promoted. | ||
| Blazingphoenix (Blazingphoenix)
New member Username: Blazingphoenix Post Number: 283 Registered: 2-2007 |
...by losing their pants, apparently! You said it was not an act of heroism, right? Alright... was he- On the ground when he lost them? In water? Hanging onto a branch on the side of a cliff? In the air? In danger? Elsewhere? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 436 Registered: 5-2003 |
...by losing their pants, apparently! Well, he was going about it in a traditional manner -- until he lost his trousers. You said it was not an act of heroism, right? Correct. Alright... was he- On the ground when he lost them? Yes. In water? Yes. Hanging onto a branch on the side of a cliff? No. In the air? No. In danger? No. Elsewhere? Exact location, time period, etc, are irrelevant. It did occur in a specific sort of place that can be found all over the world. | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 92 Registered: 9-2008 |
Type of pants relevant? Would one normally wear this type of pants out on the street? To a business meeting? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 437 Registered: 5-2003 |
Type of pants relevant? They wouldn't be worn except by military men... Would one normally wear this type of pants out on the street? To a business meeting? Assume standard Battle Dress Uniform trousers. | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 99 Registered: 9-2008 |
So the pants aren't designed specifically for water/underwater or any other special situation? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 439 Registered: 5-2003 |
So the pants aren't designed specifically for water/underwater or any other special situation? Correct. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 460 Registered: 5-2003 |
Just noticed an old blooper: The three men did work as a team. This is relevant. Recap: Three soldiers were promoted because one of them lost his trousers. The (perfectly ordinary) trousers fell off (exact reason irrelevant) while he was in the water. The men were not promoted for heroism, obedience or intelligence (indeed, they appeared to be stupid). However, their potential to be good officers was taken into account. | ||
| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did they come up with an on-the-spot solution to holding up his pants? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 465 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they come up with an on-the-spot solution to holding up his pants? No. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 472 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: After he lost his trousers, he was naked for the duration of the puzzle. | ||
| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did the rest of the team help paint him camouflage (sp?) cock-down? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 477 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the rest of the team help paint him camouflage (sp?) cock-down? No. | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 172 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did they get promoted at his expense? Was he fired because of his nudity, then they got his job? Or were they promoted for ratting him out about being naked on the job? Were they promoted for NOT ratting him out? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 482 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they get promoted at his expense? Was he fired because of his nudity, then they got his job? Or were they promoted for ratting him out about being naked on the job? Were they promoted for NOT ratting him out? No to all, and keep in mind he was promoted as well. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1139 Registered: 12-2004 |
Would they have been promoted if he had lost his BDU jacket instead? If somebody else had lost their pants, would they still have gotten promoted? You say he was nude for the rest of the puzzle... Does that mean until they got promoted? Longer? Was he completely nude, or just trouser-less? Did he lose his boots, jacket, shirt, cover, etc. as well? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 494 Registered: 5-2003 |
Would they have been promoted if he had lost his BDU jacket instead? No. If somebody else had lost their pants, would they still have gotten promoted? Probably not, as they wouldn't have hit on his solution to the problem at hand. You say he was nude for the rest of the puzzle... Does that mean until they got promoted? Longer? I should say that they were trying to get into Officer Candidate School, and were accepted due to his losing his trousers. Had he not lost his trousers, they would not have gotten in. This is how they were promoted, but they did not get their commissions until six months later. Was he completely nude, or just trouser-less? Just trouserless. Did he lose his boots, jacket, shirt, cover, etc. as well? Nothing else. Only the trousers are relevant -- even if he had not been wearing a shirt (and he might not) he did not lose it. Only the loss of the trousers is relevant. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1155 Registered: 12-2004 |
Did the loss of his trousers cause a divine inspiration? Did he still have his trousers nearby? Was this during a training exercise? Or they were just going for a swim? Or possibly they were deep behind enemy lines? Nah, probably not. Did this incident show leadership ability? Adaptability? Responsibility? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 497 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the loss of his trousers cause a divine inspiration? Possibly. Did he still have his trousers nearby? Maybe a hundred yards off at most, but inaccessible. Was this during a training exercise? Yes. Or they were just going for a swim? They weren't exactly swimming, but water is involved. Or possibly they were deep behind enemy lines? No. Nah, probably not. Did this incident show leadership ability? No. Adaptability? Yes, though the examiners were unaware of it and it played no part in their decision to pass the three men. Responsibility? No. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1271 Registered: 12-2004 |
If I had lost my pants, would I have gotten promoted? Or just laughed at? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 503 Registered: 5-2003 |
If I had lost my pants, would I have gotten promoted? Or just laughed at? I can't answer that. It depends on how you personally would have dealt with losing your trousers under the same circumstances as he did. You would probably have gotten promoted OR laughed at, but not both. However, it is also possible that the soldier was both laughed at AND promoted. Let's change the puzzle statement a mite, due to having solved some of the basics: *************************************** Troopers Smith, Jones and Brown were trying to get into OCS. They succeeded because Jones lost his trousers during a military exercise which involved water, and adapted to this misfortune. Smith, Jones and Brown were passed by the examiners despite an apparent lack on their part of intelligence, obedience, heroism and leadership (they did, however, show signs of other military traits). | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1302 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hmmm... military traits, eh? LDRSHIP? Loyalty? Duty? Respect? Selfless service? Honor? Integrity? Personal Courage? Were they at a beach? At a lake? In a bog? In a sandbox? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 507 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hmmm... military traits, eh? Yes. LDRSHIP? No. Loyalty? No. Duty? Devotion to, maybe. Respect? No. Selfless service? No. Honor? Just a touch. Integrity? No. Personal Courage? No. You haven't hit on the key one yet. Were they at a beach? At a lake? In a bog? In a sandbox? None of the above. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1366 Registered: 12-2004 |
JJ DID TIE BUCKLE? Were they in a kiddie pool? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 512 Registered: 5-2003 |
JJ DID TIE BUCKLE? Huh? Were they in a kiddie pool? No. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1369 Registered: 12-2004 |
It's kind of like LDRSHIP. JJ DID TIE BUCKLE (USMC) Justice Judgement Dependability Initiative Decisiveness Tact Integrity Enthusiam Bearing Unselfishness Courage Knowledge Loyalty Endurance | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 516 Registered: 5-2003 |
It's kind of like LDRSHIP. JJ DID TIE BUCKLE (USMC) They weren't Marines. Justice No. Judgement No. Dependability All three, in a sense. Initiative No. Decisiveness No. Tact No. Integrity Definitely not, in Jones' case, but not obvious to the examiners. Enthusiam They appeared enthusiastic to the examiners. They weren't very much. Bearing Hmmm... yope for all three men. Unselfishness DEFINITELY not, in Jones' case, but not evident to the examiners. Courage No. Knowledge No. Loyalty No. Endurance All three showed this, and it's probably the closest you'll get to the answer. Good work! Now, how specifically did they show this, and what did Jones' pants have to do with it? | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 71 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is the weather that day relevant? Were they the last 3 men to finish the exercise? Did they makeup a false story that was told to the examiners? Did the other 2 men help Jones find something to cover up his "family jewels"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 573 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the weather that day relevant? No, but assume it was clear. Were they the last 3 men to finish the exercise? Yes, but this is only relevant in the sense that everyone else was able to watch. Did they makeup a false story that was told to the examiners? Jones did, though I wouldn't call it a story. It was a single sentence. You don't need to know what it was to solve the puzzle, though it might help. Did the other 2 men help Jones find something to cover up his "family jewels"? No. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 91 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did they start the exercise as teammates? or were they working alone at the beginning? So...they were accepted to OCS because they showed endurance, right? And the proof that they had endurance had something to do with Jones losing his pants, right? Do any animals or insects play a role in this story? poisonous plants? civilians? other candidates? Something along the lines of never leaving a man behind? (Bad pun!) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 586 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they start the exercise as teammates? Yes. or were they working alone at the beginning? No. So...they were accepted to OCS because they showed endurance, right? Grit, determination, and endurance, yes.And the proof that they had endurance had something to do with Jones losing his pants, right? Yes Had Jones kept his trousers on, they would not have shown sufficient qualities to pass. Do any animals or insects play a role in this story? No. poisonous plants? No. civilians? No. other candidates? Only in that they were among those watching -- and laughing. Something along the lines of never leaving a man behind? (Bad pun!) Yes, actually, though the pun has nothing to do with it. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 592 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: Smith, Jones and Brown actually DID fail their examination to get into OCS. Because Jones lost his trousers, however, he found a way to impress the examiners into letting all three of them pass. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1643 Registered: 12-2004 |
Could they have shown sufficient grit, determination, and endurance if Smith or Brown lost his pants? If more people who had failed the examination to get into OCS and had done the same things as our subjects, might they have passed as well? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 595 Registered: 5-2003 |
Could they have shown sufficient grit, determination, and endurance if Smith or Brown lost his pants? If more people who had failed the examination to get into OCS and had done the same things as our subjects, might they have passed as well? Quite possibly to both, had they had Jones' wit and quick thinking. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 98 Registered: 9-2008 |
To clarify: we need to uncover what Jones said to the examiners - not what happened in the water or to the pants? Or are we needing it all? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 610 Registered: 5-2003 |
To clarify: we need to uncover what Jones said to the examiners - not what happened in the water or to the pants? Or are we needing it all? You need all three, though you already know what happened to the pants. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 141 Registered: 9-2008 |
Okay... Was Jones walking thru a body of water (such as a stream or pond) when unexpectedly his pants were caught or tangled up on debris? Therefore his teammates had to pull him out of his pants in order to continue the course? Perhaps, they were not expected to go thru the water but considered it a shortcut? Did Jones tell the examiners that clothing doesn't make the man? Or that no military group promises "no pants left behind"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 628 Registered: 5-2003 |
Okay... Was Jones walking thru a body of water (such as a stream or pond) when unexpectedly his pants were caught or tangled up on debris? Yes. Therefore his teammates had to pull him out of his pants in order to continue the course? No, the pants were already off. Perhaps, they were not expected to go thru the water but considered it a shortcut? No, they were expected to go thru the water. Did Jones tell the examiners that clothing doesn't make the man? No. Or that no military group promises "no pants left behind"? No. | ||
| Eliott85 (Eliott85)
New member Username: Eliott85 Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2008 |
So the pants were caught. Did Jones/buddies get the pants after they came off (as opposed to leaving them behind)? Relevant? Was what Jones said relating to how he lost his pants? Where his pants were? How he got them back? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 632 Registered: 5-2003 |
So the pants were caught. Did Jones/buddies get the pants after they came off (as opposed to leaving them behind)? No. Relevant? No. Was what Jones said relating to how he lost his pants? Where his pants were? How he got them back?No to all the above. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 172 Registered: 9-2008 |
You said the pants were already off - does that mean that Jones took them off before going into the water? Was he trying to keep them clean and dry? Perhaps holding them over his head as he waded thru the water? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 634 Registered: 5-2003 |
You said the pants were already off - does that mean that Jones took them off before going into the water? No -- they came off in the water. Exactly how is irrelevant -- perhaps they were waterlogged and Jones stepped out of them. Assume they were lost after this point. Was he trying to keep them clean and dry? Perhaps holding them over his head as he waded thru the water? No to both. | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 70 Registered: 12-2008 |
Did the three men go toward the trousers and the officers thought they were retrieving someone in distress? Does going to retrieve the trousers play any part in the solution | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 636 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the three men go toward the trousers and the officers thought they were retrieving someone in distress? No. Does going to retrieve the trousers play any part in the solution No. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 638 Registered: 5-2003 |
Note: There are a couple important elements to this puzzle that no one has discovered yet. | ||
| Heleng (Heleng)
New member Username: Heleng Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2009 |
Did he strip off his wet trousers, inflate them, and use them as a flotation device? | ||
| Heleng (Heleng)
New member Username: Heleng Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2009 |
Did he strip off his wet trousers, inflate them, and use them as a flotation device? Sorry, I didn't spot the bit about them having fallen off. Nonetheless, did Jones, having had his trousers fall off, then inflate them and use them as a float to help get a person, people, or equipment across the water? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 641 Registered: 5-2003 |
Nonetheless, did Jones, having had his trousers fall off, then inflate them and use them as a float to help get a person, people, or equipment across the water? No. For immediate purposes, assume he never saw his trousers again. For all I know, they might have rotted away in the water while he was still wearing them. Once they came off, they lost all relevance. The key to the puzzle is: What, specifically, was he doing at the time? And how, specifically, did the loss of his pants figure into his success? | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 184 Registered: 9-2008 |
You said that he was expected to go thru the water for the test, so was he doing something more than just walking from one side to the other? Was he joking around while in the water? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 648 Registered: 5-2003 |
You said that he was expected to go thru the water for the test, so was he doing something more than just walking from one side to the other? Correct. Was he joking around while in the water? No. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 186 Registered: 9-2008 |
Were the other two men in the water at the same time Jones lost his pants? For the same duration of time before and after he lost his pants? Did the examiners see Jones standing in the water? Did Jones stay submerged in the water in order to hide his nakedness? or if he still had his skivvies - then near-nakedness? | ||
| Smartyllama (Smartyllama)
New member Username: Smartyllama Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2009 |
Was he a stripper? Were they? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 650 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were the other two men in the water at the same time Jones lost his pants? Yes. For the same duration of time before and after he lost his pants? Yes. Did the examiners see Jones standing in the water? Yes. Did Jones stay submerged in the water in order to hide his nakedness? or if he still had his skivvies - then near-nakedness? Yes. Was he a stripper? Were they? No to both. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 192 Registered: 9-2008 |
So the examiners didn't know that Jones had lost his pants? Jones talked the other two into staying in the water to hide that fact? Was Jones' comment something about the water or standing in water? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 651 Registered: 5-2003 |
So the examiners didn't know that Jones had lost his pants? Correct. Jones talked the other two into staying in the water to hide that fact? No. Was Jones' comment something about the water or standing in water? No. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 198 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did the other two men with Jones know that he had lost his pants? Did the group that laughed at him know that he had lost his pants? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 660 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the other two men with Jones know that he had lost his pants? Did the group that laughed at him know that he had lost his pants? No to both. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 199 Registered: 9-2008 |
The other teams - did they get out of water while being observed by the examiners? or did they leave the water at some other location and then approach the examiners by walking on dry land? relevant? Is the temperature of the water relevant? You said that Jones et al. failed the test - is this specifically because they came in last? or because they were observed doing something else wrong? Were they expected to accomplish something while in the water but they did not complete the task? You also said that men were granted their commissions because they showed grit, determination and endurance - did the examiners think this was true specifically because Jones' team stayed in the water while he said his witty quip? Or did they believe it simply due to the nature of his comment? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 663 Registered: 5-2003 |
The other teams - did they get out of water while being observed by the examiners? Other groups of OCS candidates? Yes. or did they leave the water at some other location and then approach the examiners by walking on dry land? No. relevant? Yes. Is the temperature of the water relevant? No. You said that Jones et al. failed the test - is this specifically because they came in last? No. or because they were observed doing something else wrong? Yes. Were they expected to accomplish something while in the water but they did not complete the task? Correct. You also said that men were granted their commissions because they showed grit, determination and endurance - did the examiners think this was true specifically because Jones' team stayed in the water while he said his witty quip? You're OTRT. Or did they believe it simply due to the nature of his comment? His specific words did impress them. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 205 Registered: 9-2008 |
So, Jones and team failed to do a required task in the water. But Jones could not leave the water because then everyone would see that he had no pants. Did he say something about staying in water in order to keep practicing or staying until the task was completed? Did he hope that everyone would leave the area so he could emerge from the water in private? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 667 Registered: 5-2003 |
So, Jones and team failed to do a required task in the water. Correct. But Jones could not leave the water because then everyone would see that he had no pants. Correct. Did he say something about staying in water in order to keep practicing or staying until the task was completed? The latter. You're almost there! Did he hope that everyone would leave the area so he could emerge from the water in private? No. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1905 Registered: 12-2004 |
I'm completely lost now. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 673 Registered: 5-2003 |
Actually, you're quite close. What was the task? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 674 Registered: 5-2003 |
Edit: Actually, you're quite close. What did he say to the examiners that got him promoted when, properly, he should have been failed? Also, what action was he engaged in at the time? You don't have to figure out the specifics of the overall task, however. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1915 Registered: 12-2004 |
I have no idea. I suppose I'll let KayGee ask another question or two... | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 214 Registered: 9-2008 |
Thank you, DP. I do indeed have another question or two! Did the task involve diving? swimming? recovery of some object? recovery of a person? Was his comment a well-known quote? Or a variation/pun on a common statement? Did his comment offer an excuse/reason? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 679 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the task involve diving? No. swimming? No. recovery of some object? No. recovery of a person? No. However, the three had to help each other accomplish the task, so you're OTRT. Was his comment a well-known quote? Or a variation/pun on a common statement? Did his comment offer an excuse/reason? None of the above. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 229 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did the task involve floating? sinking? Was there an object used in the task? The comment was something about staying until they completed the task? Was it a self-depreciating comment? | ||
| Hiphapa (Hiphapa)
New member Username: Hiphapa Post Number: 17 Registered: 2-2009 |
You know, the ability to gunfight while naked takes a tremendous level of courage. Is this what the examiners saw in this young man (and his compatriots)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 689 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the task involve floating? sinking? Neither. Was there an object used in the task? Yes. The comment was something about staying until they completed the task? Yes. Was it a self-depreciating comment? No. You know, the ability to gunfight while naked takes a tremendous level of courage. Is this what the examiners saw in this young man (and his compatriots)? No. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 233 Registered: 9-2008 |
Hiphapa: LOL!!! :-)) Let me close this loop: If the water task didn't involve diving, swimming, floating or sinking - can we say that Jones and team were standing on firm ground? and were at least waist-deep in the water? You may have answered this before, if so my apologies. Is the type of water relevant? ie: pond, river, Is this object something that is normally found in the water? Something normally used by the military? Something that is alive? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 691 Registered: 5-2003 |
Let me close this loop: If the water task didn't involve diving, swimming, floating or sinking - can we say that Jones and team were standing on firm ground? For part of the time. and were at least waist-deep in the water? Yes. You may have answered this before, if so my apologies. Is the type of water relevant? ie: pond, river, In a sense,it is. They were in a narrow but shallow stretch, like a river, creek, or canal. Beyond that, it's irrelevant. Is this object something that is normally found in the water? No. Something normally used by the military? Not used exactly, but commonly encountered. Something that is alive? No. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 240 Registered: 9-2008 |
Woo-Hoo! I get the 100th post! Items encountered by the military: Object found in nature(still in natural state)? Object that is man-made? When placed in the water, does this object float? or sink? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 693 Registered: 5-2003 |
Woo-Hoo! I get the 100th post! Items encountered by the military: Object found in nature(still in natural state)? Object that is man-made? This. When placed in the water, does this object float? or sink? Irrelevant. It doesn't float in the position it's at in the puzzle. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 245 Registered: 9-2008 |
Were Jones and team trying to transport the object from one shore to the other? But somehow they let it sink? Was the comment about sinking? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 695 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were Jones and team trying to transport the object from one shore to the other? But somehow they let it sink? Was the comment about sinking? No to all. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 704 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: The object was fixed in place. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 253 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is the object a bridge? an island? a post? a rock? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 719 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the object a bridge? an island? a post? a rock? None of the above. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 257 Registered: 9-2008 |
Bravo Jenburdoo! This is why I like your puzzles: I ask lots of circular questions trying to hone in on the truth - but things are never as obvious as they seem. Good Job! Were they trying to "unfix" the object from it's place in the water? Could they see the object in the water? Was it submerged under the surface? Or was some portion above the water line? Did he, in essence, blame the object for their failure? (such as: "It appears that it does not want to be found.") | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 721 Registered: 5-2003 |
Bravo Jenburdoo! This is why I like your puzzles: I ask lots of circular questions trying to hone in on the truth - but things are never as obvious as they seem. Good Job! Thank you. I hope you like the solution -- you're slowly but surely getting there. Were they trying to "unfix" the object from it's place in the water? No. It never moved from its position. Could they see the object in the water? Yes. Was it submerged under the surface? Partly. Or was some portion above the water line? Yes. Did he, in essence, blame the object for their failure? (such as: "It appears that it does not want to be found.") No. And it wasn't hidden. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 262 Registered: 9-2008 |
Okay...I have to see this in black and white: The 3 men were working together to accomplish a task in a shallow stretch of water -- There is a man-made object involved in this task -- It is partly submerged and partly above the water line -- Yet, it is fixed in position -- This object is not used by the military, but often encountered in the course of their travels -- right? Was the team trying to alter the object in some way? Is this type of object generally found in this same position in other waterways? Oh, new thought: Were they supposed to climb on top of the object but Jones was hesitant to do so without his pants? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 722 Registered: 5-2003 |
Okay...I have to see this in black and white: The 3 men were working together to accomplish a task in a shallow stretch of water -- There is a man-made object involved in this task -- It is partly submerged and partly above the water line -- Yet, it is fixed in position -- This object is not used by the military, but often encountered in the course of their travels -- right? Yes. Was the team trying to alter the object in some way? No. Is this type of object generally found in this same position in other waterways? No. Oh, new thought: Were they supposed to climb on top of the object but Jones was hesitant to do so without his pants? You've got it. It's a generic obstacle (a fence or something) which they have to climb over. Recap: The three OCS candidates were expected to wade down the canal, then help each other over the obstacle, which required them to get out of the water. Jones did not want to get out of the water and thus expose himself in front of the examiners and the other candidates. What did he say to the examiners that got the three of them accepted despite Jones' reluctance to succeed at the task? | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 642 Registered: 5-2008 |
Did he suggest an original approach to the problem? walking around the obstacle? waiting until the cover of dark the climb over it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 724 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he suggest an original approach to the problem? walking around the obstacle? waiting until the cover of dark the climb over it? None of the above. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 264 Registered: 9-2008 |
Well, you said it was "staying until the task was completed"... Did he help the other two men over the obstacle? Did he stay behind and then gave a plausible reason for doing so? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 727 Registered: 5-2003 |
Well, you said it was "staying until the task was completed"... That's what Jones said, yes. Now how did that enable him and the other two to pass the course even though they failed to complete the task? You're very close to the end of the puzzle. Did he help the other two men over the obstacle? No, he deliberately hindered them. Did he stay behind and then gave a plausible reason for doing so? No, to both parts of the question. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 737 Registered: 5-2003 |
Another hint: They never did complete the task (because Jones was hindering their attempts). | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 50 Registered: 2-2009 |
So Jones basically said, "We're going to stay until the task is finished"? Was there any other relevant parts to the task? It seems like it would be hard to use "staying 'til we're done" as an excuse when the examiners don't see any reason you can't finish now... Did there appear to the examiners that there was anything hindering them? Was the reason that they passed simply the fact that the examiners were impressed with the fact that he would risk their futures as officers to finish the task? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 739 Registered: 5-2003 |
So Jones basically said, "We're going to stay until the task is finished"? Was there any other relevant parts to the task? It seems like it would be hard to use "staying 'til we're done" as an excuse when the examiners don't see any reason you can't finish now... Did there appear to the examiners that there was anything hindering them? Well, the obstacle. And the candidates' apparent incompetence. Was the reason that they passed simply the fact that the examiners were impressed with the fact that he would risk their futures as officers to finish the task? I think this is close enough. ****************** Spoiler ***************** The late author George MacDonald Fraser was a private in the Border Regiment in 1945, but got into an OCS in India. He and his two partners failed miserably in the tests to be accepted into the school, and were expecting to be returned to their units when they started the last test -- which was to wade down a monsoon ditch and help each other over an obstacle in front of the other candidates. Fraser's trousers came off partway up the ditch, and since he was expecting to fail anyway, he refused to budge out of the water. An officer on the bank suggested they give up, so Fraser responded: "Thank you, sir, we'd like to finish the course." They kept on, still unsuccessfully, until they were covered in mud. The officer finally told them to stop. But instead of saying, "You lot are the worst pack of soldiers I've ever met," he said, "Well tried. And even if you didn't finish it, I'll tell you one thing. I admire guts." So he three of them were passed, even though no one realized that it wasn't grit, determination and endurance that got them through, it was Fraser's refusal to be embarrassed in front of the examiners. |
