| Author | Message | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3697 Registered: 12-2000 |
they did it to fish, too | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1520 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hi Lynne! Fish = name of a person? Fish = things that live in water? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3698 Registered: 12-2000 |
Beroean Hi Lynne! Hi there! Fish = name of a person? Fish = things that live in water? this | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1521 Registered: 10-2001 |
Time period relevant? Individual people relevant? Type of fish relevant? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3699 Registered: 12-2000 |
Beroean Time period relevant? yes Individual people relevant? yes Type of fish relevant? yes | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1523 Registered: 10-2001 |
Time: this year? People: family? friends? strangers? Type of fish: freshwater? sea fish? fish with fins and gills? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3701 Registered: 12-2000 |
Beroean Time: this year? no People: family? friends? strangers? strangers Type of fish: freshwater? yes sea fish? no fish with fins and gills? yes | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1525 Registered: 10-2001 |
More than 10 years ago? More than a century ago? Nationalities relevant? Location relevant? One species of fish? Salmon? Trout? Did they do it when the fish were dead? alive? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3704 Registered: 12-2000 |
Beroean More than 10 years ago? yes More than a century ago? yes Nationalities relevant? yes Location relevant? I guess so, but I don't know the location, so don't follow that line One species of fish? as far as I can tell Salmon? Trout? neither Did they do it when the fish were dead? no alive? yes | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1527 Registered: 10-2001 |
More than 500 years ago More than 1,500 years ago? Asian? African? European? pike? perch? roach? rudd? sturgeon? bream? barbel? tench? carp? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3706 Registered: 12-2000 |
Beroean More than 500 years ago no More than 1,500 years ago? Asian? African? European? the fish were European pike? perch? roach? rudd? sturgeon? bream? barbel? tench? carp? none | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3707 Registered: 12-2000 |
OK, the term freshwater is incorrect, or at the least, confusing. I'm no fish expert! These fish do appear to have freshwater varieties among them, but I'm now realising that probably not the ones in the puzzle | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1529 Registered: 10-2001 |
are they eels? Bass? are they found in lakes? rivers? streams? sea? Are they (the people) european? other? Is the time window that this occurred in something like a generation / 10 years / 100 years / more than 100 years? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3709 Registered: 12-2000 |
Nope, they ARE freshwater, technically Asian, but these were born in Europe. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3710 Registered: 12-2000 |
Beroean are they eels?no Bass? no are they found in lakes? rivers? streams? sea? these ones weren't Are they (the people} european? other? European Is the time window that this occurred in something like a generation / 10 years / 100 years / more than 100 years? less than 10 years | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1530 Registered: 10-2001 |
In ponds? Did they find them on land? in drains? in holes? in caves? underground? Had they been moved to the location where they were found? Do the fish have a distinctive colour? silver? green? gold? Are we looking at a specific country here? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1531 Registered: 10-2001 |
catfish? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3711 Registered: 12-2000 |
Beroean In ponds? no Did they find them on land? in drains? in holes? in caves? underground? no to all Had they been moved to the location where they were found? yes Do the fish have a distinctive colour? silver? green? gold? this one Are we looking at a specific country here? yope catfish? no | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1533 Registered: 10-2001 |
So are we talking about goldfish? Are the people travellers? Were the fish moved from water to somewhere else? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3712 Registered: 12-2000 |
So are we talking about goldfish? YES Are the people travellers? no Were the fish moved from water to somewhere else? no To simplify things, they were in a little aquarium, hence the bit about being moved to the location they were found in (presumably they were bought in, but all that is irrelevant compared to the rest of the puzzle). | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1535 Registered: 10-2001 |
Thanks for the clarification - I am obviously out of practice! By the way goldfish are carp - but not a lot of people know that :-) So are we just talking about one aquarium full of goldfish rather than a whole load of fish in one era? Are we talking about a country that no longer exists? eg Prussia? Or a country where the boundaries have changed significantly? Are the people monks? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1537 Registered: 10-2001 |
Would it helpful to find out who (or what) else they did it to? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1538 Registered: 10-2001 |
did they eat them? (eat them alive?) breed them? do something very unusual to them? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3714 Registered: 12-2000 |
Thanks for the clarification - I am obviously out of practice! so am I By the way goldfish are carp - but not a lot of people know that :-) okie dokie So are we just talking about one aquarium full of goldfish rather than a whole load of fish in one era? yes Are we talking about a country that no longer exists? no eg Prussia? no Or a country where the boundaries have changed significantly? they have, but they were and still are in Europe. And a FA here Are the people monks? no - so no jokes about monkfish! Would it helpful to find out who (or what) else they did it to? yes, very much so did they eat them? (eat them alive?) no breed them? no do something very unusual to them? yes | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3715 Registered: 12-2000 |
By the way goldfish are carp - but not a lot of people know that :-) If I'd realised that, we could have saved a few hours - I always thought they were big fish in outdoor ponds ;-) | ||
| Woubit (Woubit)
Moderator Username: Woubit Post Number: 290 Registered: 5-2007 |
How many of them (the people who did whatever they did to goldfish) were there? (fewer than 10, fewer than 100, etc.) Are we speaking of several instances of people doing X to goldfish during a ten-year period? Or of one instance of one group of people doing X to goldfish during a ten-year period? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3717 Registered: 12-2000 |
Woubit - hello! How many of them (the people who did whatever they did to goldfish) were there? (fewer than 10, fewer than 100, etc.) I would guess fewer than 10, my source doesn't say, exactly Are we speaking of several instances of people doing X to goldfish during a ten-year period? It may not have taken as long as ten years, but there would have been a few instances of this Or of one instance of one group of people doing X to goldfish during a ten-year period? see previous - I'm sure it was repeated at least a few times | ||
| Woubit (Woubit)
Moderator Username: Woubit Post Number: 291 Registered: 5-2007 |
Whatever was done, was it also done to: Other fish? Other non-human animals? Human beings? Deities? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1539 Registered: 10-2001 |
Did they train them to do something? (Did they jump through hoops?) Did it involve taking them out of the water? Did it harm the fish / put the fish at risk? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3718 Registered: 12-2000 |
Woubit Whatever was done, was it also done to: Other fish? no Other non-human animals? YES Human beings? Deities? Beroean Did they train them to do something? yes (Did they jump through hoops?) no Did it involve taking them out of the water? noish Did it harm the fish / put the fish at risk? no | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1542 Registered: 10-2001 |
train them to "fetch" | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1543 Registered: 10-2001 |
train them to: dance? leap somehow? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1545 Registered: 10-2001 |
Train them to: swim in patterns? sing? talk? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3722 Registered: 12-2000 |
Beroean train them to "fetch" no dance? no leap somehow? no with a bit of an ish | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1546 Registered: 10-2001 |
Lynne see 7.30 post train them to: find things? recognise things? race? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3724 Registered: 12-2000 |
Train them to: swim in patterns? no sing? no talk? no find things? no recognise things? don't know whether to say yes or no here race? no | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1548 Registered: 10-2001 |
wear glasses? wear clothes? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1549 Registered: 10-2001 |
respond to voices respond to sounds? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1550 Registered: 10-2001 |
listen to music? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3725 Registered: 12-2000 |
Beroean wear glasses? yes wear clothes? respond to voices respond to sounds? this one listen to music? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1545 Registered: 3-2006 |
Anything to do with the reputed attention span of goldfish? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3727 Registered: 12-2000 |
Woodworm Anything to do with the reputed attention span of goldfish? no | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1553 Registered: 10-2001 |
So they taught the fish to wear glasses and respond to sounds!? Did they train them to do other things? Was it all part of an act? Any other reason? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3730 Registered: 12-2000 |
So they taught the fish to wear glasses and respond to sounds!? just kidding about the glasses - but you knew that :-) Did they train them to do other things? yes Was it all part of an act? no Any other reason? yes | ||
| Woubit (Woubit)
Moderator Username: Woubit Post Number: 292 Registered: 5-2007 |
just kidding about the glasses - but you knew that There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamed of in your philosophy. | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1556 Registered: 10-2001 |
So they wear contact lens'! type of sounds relevant? was there a military objective in mind? Number of fish relevant? Were they in a lab of some sort? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3732 Registered: 12-2000 |
There are more things in Heaven and Earth, LOL So they wear contact lens'! Nah, just fisheye lenses type of sounds relevant? yes was there a military objective in mind? no Number of fish relevant? no Were they in a lab of some sort? I don't think so, so irrelevant | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1558 Registered: 10-2001 |
did they ring a bell for feeding time (as in the Pavlovian experiment with dogs)? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3733 Registered: 12-2000 |
did they ring a bell for feeding time (as in the Pavlovian experiment with dogs)? Ding ding! YES *************** SPOILER *************** Read all about it here: http://tinyurl.com/3o54lc Well done! | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3734 Registered: 12-2000 |
The page is from a book dated 1895, although the articles were probably from 1894, and it would appear to be around the time that Pavlov was doing his own research, although I've not found an exact date for that. | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1560 Registered: 10-2001 |
Fascinating... When my girls were growing up we did the same thing with them - rang a bell for meal times - just like in the school playgrounds. I suppose it is the "unthinking man's gong". The whole idea was to avoid straining the vocal chords and reducing the risks of laryngitis! It never worked in the same way with my kids as it did with the dogs! And nor did it speed their approach to the dinner table. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3736 Registered: 12-2000 |
Our dog has the salivating down to a fine art. |
