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Bill's eye made Ted a millionaire.
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Bill: h? a? m?
Ted: h? a? m?

eye = artificial? biological? human? animal?

"Bill's eye" = the eye Bill possesses? in his eye socket? Bill's left eye? Bill's right eye?

Was it Bill's attention to detail that "made Ted a millionaire"?
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Eye a metaphor for something?
The eye of a storm/hurricane/twister/tornado named Bill?
The eye of a needle?
Perhaps Bull's eye misspelled owing to the proximity of the vowels U and I on a standard QWERTY keyboard?
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is a "bill" used as a form of money?
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Bill: h? a? m?
Ted: h? a? m? yes to both

eye = artificial? no biological? yes human? no animal? no

"Bill's eye" = the eye Bill possesses? noish in his eye socket? no Bill's left eye? so irrBill's right eye? and irr

Was it Bill's attention to detail that "made Ted a millionaire"? No, with a very tiny bit of an ish

Eye a metaphor for something? no

The eye of a storm/hurricane/twister/tornado named Bill?no

The eye of a needle?no

Perhaps Bull's eye misspelled owing to the proximity of the vowels U and I on a standard QWERTY keyboard?no

is a "bill" used as a form of money? no
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Ted = Ted Turner?
eye = the CBS logo?

Are Bill and Ted real people? Bill still alive? Ted still alive?

Did the eye make Ted a millionaire in real life? with real money? Or is a game relevant? Monopoly?
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Ted = Ted Turner? no
eye = the CBS logo? no

Are Bill and Ted real people? no, but this could have happened Bill still alive? Ted still alive? see previous answer

Did the eye make Ted a millionaire in real life? yes (with the understanding that this puzzle is fiction) with real money? yes Or is a game relevant? no Monopoly? no
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The last known survivor?
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The last known survivor? I'm going with no though I'm not quite sure what you are asking
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Is it anything to do with Bill and Ted the films or was that just for want of a better pair of names? (Iron Maiden?! Excellent!)

Was Bill happy that Ted became a millionaire?
Did Bill think he (Bill) should have got the money?
Is it to do with plants?
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Is it anything to do with Bill and Ted the films or was that just for want of a better pair of names? (Iron Maiden?! Excellent!) just a pair of names

Was Bill happy that Ted became a millionaire? No and I think I need an Irrel here to keep from leading you on an FA as a result of this answer
Did Bill think he (Bill) should have got the money? no
Is it to do with plants? yes
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"Eye" as in the part of a plant that sprouts? Like a potato? Or is the eye an actual visual sensory organ that Bill posesses, but not his own?

Is the eye at any point bought? Stolen? Given away?
If so, by Bill? By Ted?
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"Eye" as in the part of a plant that sprouts? yes Like a potato? yes Or is the eye an actual visual sensory organ that Bill posesses, but not his own? no of course i've never asked a potato if they can see....

Is the eye at any point bought? yes Stolen? no Given away? no
If so, by Bill? By Ted? so no to both
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Was the entire potato bought? Just the skin? Just an individual eye? A sprout? Multiple potatoes?

Was it bought from Ted? For millions of dollars?
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Was the entire potato bought? yesJust the skin? so no Just an individual eye? no A sprout? no, but it could have been Multiple potatoes? It is only relevant that at least one potato with eyes was sold

Was it bought from Ted? no For millions of dollars? so no
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Did Bill grow the potato? Or did he at least have it when the story begins? Was it bought from him?

When it was bought, did it cost millions? Did it cost a normal potato price? Did the potato lead somehow to an invention? To a new, better potato? To an entire farm?
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Did Bill grow the potato?possible Or did he at least have it when the story begins?yes Was it bought from him? yes

When it was bought, did it cost millions? no Did it cost a normal potato price?a normal price for a potato that already had eyes Did the potato lead somehow to an invention? noTo a new, better potato? yesTo an entire farm? no but getting closer to the story progression
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Is the number of eyes relevant? their location on the potato?
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Is the number of eyes relevant? No

their location on the potato? no
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Does Ted start the cultivation of potatoes in a country where it was previously unknown? Of a certain variety of potatoes?
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Does Ted start the cultivation of potatoes in a country where it was previously unknown? no Of a certain variety of potatoes? irr
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Does Ted use the potato for the purpose of cultivation?

Is Ted indeed quite rich when he has become a millionaire? Did he actually make money in becoming a millionaire (so he didn't start with being a billionaire)?
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Does Ted ever deal directly with this potato? Is he in the potato business at all? Or in produce?
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Does Ted use the potato for the purpose of cultivation? no

Is Ted indeed quite rich when he has become a millionaire? yes Did he actually make money in becoming a millionaire (so he didn't start with being a billionaire)? yes

Does Ted ever deal directly with this potato? yesish Is he in the potato business at all? no Or in produce? no
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Does Ted use the potato (or a part of it) in some kind of experiment?

Does Ted need the potato (or a part of it) to create some piece of art ?

Does Ted sell the potato (or a part of it) to someone else?
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Does Ted use the potato (or a part of it) in some kind of experiment? no

Does Ted need the potato (or a part of it) to create some piece of art ? no

Does Ted sell the potato (or a part of it) to someone else? no
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So, did Ted grow a new potato plant from an eye on Bill's potato? Did Ted invent (or market) a new variety of potato? If so, did it come from the eye of Bill's potato?
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So, did Ted grow a new potato plant from an eye on Bill's potato? no Did Ted invent (or market) a new variety of potato? no If so, did it come from the eye of Bill's potato? so no
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Is the ultimate use of the potato relevant?

If so, was it:
- a food
- a raw material

Did Ted's fortune involve more than one potato?

Were potatoes processed? Harmed in away in the production of this puzzle?
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Is the ultimate use of the potato relevant? yesish

If so, was it:
- a food this one
- a raw material

Did Ted's fortune involve more than one potato? no

Were potatoes processed? define processed Harmed in away in the production of this puzzle? No I am a proud member of the People for the Ethical Treatment of Potatos
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So the potato was eaten? Was the eye eaten, too?
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Could this fictional story have happened in our world, with its current value system? Or does this take place in a fictional society that assigns different values than we might? For example, a society that values potatoes with eyes, ala the tulip bulb run-up.

Are all characters sane? Story take place in the present? Magic, fantasy or religion involved? On planet earth?

Did Ted make money from:
- Sales of a product
- Licensing or royalties
- Extortion or some other coercive means
- Consulting
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So the potato was eaten?yes Was the eye eaten, too? no... You seem to have an FA, look over post 698

Could this fictional story have happened in our world, with its current value system? yes Or does this take place in a fictional society that assigns different values than we might? no For example, a society that values potatoes with eyes, ala the tulip bulb run-up. Nope I haven't yet ran into the doctapeppa puzzle world so i can assure that the solution isn't that this occured 1 million years from today when humans had colonized Mars, and a potato famine hit when the only food left in all the universe was one potato and someone sold it, because they had learned from their ancient Earth history course that you could survive by eating dirt. Also the solution is not that an antique statue was hid in the potato to be smuggled over the border, and a customs agent recognized the eye as being of ivory and so paid the smuggler a million dollars for his potato. And if I don't stop now i'm going to have a zillion solutions

Are all characters sane? that is always a matter of perspective Story take place in the present? it could happen today Magic, fantasy or religion involved? no On planet earth? yes

Did Ted make money from:
- Sales of a product noish
- Licensing or royalties no
- Extortion or some other coercive means no, yes but that may be misleading to say so
- Consulting no
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The potato lead to a new and better potato -- is that at the crux of the solution?

Misleading to say that he made money from coercive means? But it could be interpreted as such? Taxes involved?

Noish on sales of a product -- did he sell anything?
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The potato lead to a new and better potato -- is that at the crux of the solution? no but

Misleading to say that he made money from coercive means? yes But it could be interpreted as such? Yes I would think so Taxes involved? no

Noish on sales of a product -- did he sell anything? no
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Seems like we need to map out the money flow --

Here are possible parties to the transaction(s)
- Bill
- Ted
- Potato farmers
- Potato product producers
- Potato product wholesalers and retailers
- Potato product consumers
- Governmental entities
- Companies that provide ancillary services to any of the above
- Other entities not listed

Which ones are involved in this story?
From which ones does Ted receive his money?
Did Ted become rich through a single transaction? Multiple transactions?
Did Ted receive money in exchange for tangible items? Intangible items?
Did he receive money through illegal means?
Was his money derived in a straightforward manner, in that he engaged in certain activities and methods that he intended to result in his receipt of the money he received?
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The parties to the transaction(s) are
- Bill
- Ted
- Potato farmers
- Potato product producers
- Potato product consumers

*Be wary of FA*



- Governmental entities I'm unsure about the answer to this, and therefore the answer to the ancillary question, and as I'm currently using a fellow puzzler's computer, I cannot research to indepthly. Please give me a list of entities and I'll answer

Which ones are involved in this story? see above
From which ones does Ted receive his money? Potato farmers, potato product producers
Did Ted become rich through a single transaction? Yope - define transaction Multiple transactions? see previous
Did Ted receive money in exchange for tangible items? no Intangible items? no
Did he receive money through illegal means?no
Was his money derived in a straightforward manner, in that he engaged in certain activities and methods that he intended to result in his receipt of the money he received? yope
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Do potato farmers and potato product producers usually pay Ted only once? Or do they usually pay him multiple times?

Neither tangible nor intangible items - is Ted paid for services? For *not* doing something?

Bill sold the potato, but not to Ted. To a potato farmer? A potato product producer? A consumer?
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Did Ted receive the money that made him rich in a single lump sum payment? Or did he receive payments over time?

Does having the potato eye give Ted certain legal rights? Is the holder of the potato eye entitled to receive money?

Are there two transactions:
1. The original sale of Bill's potato to some party?
2. Subsequent transactions that resulted in money flowing to Ted?

Had Bill not sold the potato, would he have become rich? Ted become rich? Another person become rich? Was the money that flowed to Ted going to flow somewhere? Based on who owned Bill's potato?
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o potato farmers and potato product producers usually pay Ted only once? no Or do they usually pay him multiple times? no

Neither tangible nor intangible items - is Ted paid for services? no For *not* doing something? hard to answer without giving an FA, so YOPE

Bill sold the potato, but not to Ted. To a potato farmer? yes A potato product producer? Yes A consumer? no

Did Ted receive the money that made him rich in a single lump sum payment? this one Or did he receive payments over time?

Does having the potato eye give Ted certain legal rights? no Is the holder of the potato eye entitled to receive money? no

Are there two transactions: yes
1. The original sale of Bill's potato to some party?
2. Subsequent transactions that resulted in money flowing to Ted?

Had Bill not sold the potato, would he have become rich? FA Ted become rich? No is the best answer Another person become rich? no Was the money that flowed to Ted going to flow somewhere? no Based on who owned Bill's potato? no
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The parties to the transaction(s) are
- Bill
- Ted
- Potato farmers
- Potato product producers
- Potato product consumers

Which ones receive money related to Bill's eye?
Which ones pay money related to Bill's eye?

Trying to understand the FA embedded in "Had Bill not sold the potato, would he have become rich?" We established in the previous paragraph that his potato was sold to a third party -- was his potato sold to the third party, but not by Bill? Did Ted do that? Or was Bill already rich? Also, I'm not confusing Bill with Ted in that question -- I'm trying to establish whether the wealth would have flowed to Bill instead of Ted if the potato was not sold.

Wait a minute - in the third paragraph, we established that Bill sold his potato to a farmer. Does this mean the FA is that Bill was already rich?

Ted became rich in a single lump sum payment -- did he receive additional payments after he was rich from the "subsequent transactions that resulted in money flowing to Ted"? Or does this refer to the original lump sum payment?
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The parties to the transaction(s) are
- Bill
- Ted
- Potato farmers
- Potato product producers
- Potato product consumers

Which ones receive money related to Bill's eye? all of them
Which ones pay money related to Bill's eye? all but Bill

Trying to understand the FA embedded in "Had Bill not sold the potato, would he have become rich?" We established in the previous paragraph that his potato was sold to a third party -- was his potato sold to the third party, but not by Bill? no Did Ted do that? so no Or was Bill already rich? No
Also, I'm not confusing Bill with Ted in that question -- I'm trying to establish whether the wealth would have flowed to Bill instead of Ted if the potato was not sold.no

Wait a minute - in the third paragraph, we established that Bill sold his potato to a farmer. Does this mean the FA is that Bill was already rich? no

Ted became rich in a single lump sum payment -- did he receive additional payments after he was rich from the "subsequent transactions that resulted in money flowing to Ted"? no Or does this refer to the original lump sum payment? hard to answer, please rephrase question
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As to government entities -- are there any government entities that are relevant to the story? These could be taxing agencies, or bureacracies related to agriculture, or others. Do I need to follow this up?

Other than the 5 line-item "parties to the transaction" identified above, are there any other relevant parties that are involved?

Does Ted have a special or exploitive relationship with the farmers or others (such as a sharecropping landlord) that allows him to profit from their activities? Is money lending involved?

Do we need to explore botanical questions, such as how potato eyes relate to reproduction and the like?

Are the potato eyes only relevant in that they are involved in potato reproduction? Or are there other aspects to uncover?

Is Bill H/A/M? Bill's potato was bought. Did Bill sell it?

Let me know if the following line of questioning is too brute force:

I am attempting to discover the FA embedded in the question, "Had Bill not sold the potato, would he (Bill) have become rich?" I think I have examined all the assumptions implied by the question (Bill sold the potato, Bill is H/A/M, Bill was not already rich.), yet I'm still missing the FA. What word(s) in the question are involved in the FA: Had, Bill, not, sold, the, potato, would, he, have, become, rich?

If that's too much, can I ask if the FA is involved in the first phrase (Had Bill not sold the potato)? Or the second phrase (would he have become rich)?

Is method of payment relevant? Currency? Indebtedness? Are any financial intermediaries such as banks relevant?

Is Ted's wealth accumulated in cash? A bank balance? Or is it tied up in the value of assets? That appreciated as a result of Bill's eye? In other words, I am a millionaire if I have no cash in the bank, but I own unencumbered land that has a value of $2M. Is this line of questioning relevant?

From which of the following did Ted directly receive money? Indirectly? (please ignore irrelevant financial intermediaries, e.g., if I pay you via a check, assume I have paid you directly even though my bank actually paid your bank).

- Bill
- Potato farmers
- Potato product producers
- Potato product consumers
- Others yet to be defined parties
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As to government entities -- are there any government entities that are relevant to the story? yes These could be taxing agencies, or bureacracies related to agriculture, or others. Do I need to follow this up? its both key and somewhat unhelpful. Knowing the exact entity would probably solve part of the puzzle, but I'd think the puzzle could be solved with just keeping in mind that the government is related to the story

Other than the 5 line-item "parties to the transaction" identified above, are there any other relevant parties that are involved? yes

Does Ted have a special or exploitive relationship with the farmers or others (such as a sharecropping landlord) that allows him to profit from their activities? No Is money lending involved? no

Do we need to explore botanical questions, such as how potato eyes relate to reproduction and the like? yope

Are the potato eyes only relevant in that they are involved in potato reproduction? this is best, yes Or are there other aspects to uncover? somewhat

Is Bill H/A/M? yes Bill's potato was bought. Did Bill sell it? yes

Let me know if the following line of questioning is too brute force:
The puzzle statement is "Bill's eye made Ted a millionairre

Is method of payment relevant? define method Currency? he was paid in US dollars Indebtedness? yes Are any financial intermediaries such as banks relevant? No, other than that people typically keep a million dollars in the bank rather than their own pocket

Is Ted's wealth accumulated in cash? A bank balance? you just need to know that he has a million dollars. It could be dollars in the bank, or in pennies stuffed in a mattress out in a wooden shack

Or is it tied up in the value of assets? no

That appreciated as a result of Bill's eye? the money did not raise in value because of Bill's eye In other words, I am a millionaire if I have no cash in the bank, but I own unencumbered land that has a value of $2M. no Is this line of questioning relevant? no

From which of the following did Ted directly receive money? Indirectly? (please ignore irrelevant financial intermediaries, e.g., if I pay you via a check, assume I have paid you directly even though my bank actually paid your bank).

- Bill
- Potato farmers Directly
- Potato product producers Directly
- Potato product consumers
- Others yet to be defined parties
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Did Bill know Ted before the potato transaction began? Had he heard of him? Was he aware that proceeds from his eye might flow to Ted?

And after the transaction... did Bill know Ted? Know of him? Know he had been made a millionaire? As a result of the eye? If he had known, would he have been upset? resentful? happy? wanted to report the transaction to a person, person, organization, or authorities?

Regarding the potato farmers/producers... had Bill done business with them before? Had he ever before sold a single potato with eyes, to them or to another party? Had he ever before sold a potato similar to or identical with this potato? Did he believe the value of the potato was lower than that of a standard potato, because it had already sprouted and was thus more difficult to eat? Since Bill was the original owner of the potato, presumably he grew it himself? Did he grow other potatoes? Did they all have eyes? Did he intentionally grow potato(s) with eyes? Or did he just not get around to harvesting it/them before eyes appeared? Was the particular eye that made Ted rich different from the others on the potato? Was Bill a potato farmer as his primary occupation? If so, was there a reason why he sold this single potato to fellow potato farmers as well as potato product producers? Was the potato altered in any way in between the time it was planted and the time Bill sold it? Did Bill have any role in the transaction that took place apart from selling the potato in the first place?
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Did Bill know Ted before the potato transaction began? no Had he heard of him? no Was he aware that proceeds from his eye might flow to Ted? no

And after the transaction... did Bill know Ted? no Know of him? yes Know he had been made a millionaire? yesAs a result of the eye? possibly If he had known, would he have been upset? no resentful? no happy? no wanted to report the transaction to a person, person, organization, or authorities? no

Regarding the potato farmers/producers... had Bill done business with them before? yes Had he ever before sold a single potato with eyes, to them or to another party? Had he ever before sold a potato similar to or identical with this potato? yes Did he believe the value of the potato was lower than that of a standard potato, because it had already sprouted and was thus more difficult to eat? yes Since Bill was the original owner of the potato, presumably he grew it himself? yes Did he grow other potatoes? yes Did they all have eyes? any potato will have eyes if you leave it long enough, but no he didn't make a practice of letting his potatos get eyes Did he intentionally grow potato(s) with eyes? No is the best answer Or did he just not get around to harvesting it/them before eyes appeared? No Was the particular eye that made Ted rich different from the others on the potato? no Was Bill a potato farmer as his primary occupation? yesish, define "potato farmer as primary occupation" If so, was there a reason why he sold this single potato to fellow potato farmers as well as potato product producers? Yes, but you also have an FA Was the potato altered in any way in between the time it was planted and the time Bill sold it? no Did Bill have any role in the transaction that took place apart from selling the potato in the first place? no
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Okay, so regarding the FA...
Was the entity or entities to which he sold the potato both a farmer and product producer?
Did this entity or entities usually buy outside potatoes instead of/in addition to growing its own? Always or exclusively from Bill?
Was the relevant potato sold as part of a load of potatoes? Did they all have eyes?
Is there only one relevant potato with only one relevant eye?
Was the potato divided in some way to allow him to sell it to multiple entities?
Was there some significant difference between Bill and other potato farmers? Particularly the ones to whom he sold the potato?

And I'm defining "primary occupation" as Bill getting all or most of his money and/or livelihood from the sale of potatoes he has grown. If someone asked Bill what he did for a living, he would immediately respond "I am a potato farmer." Is this accurate?
Is there some other aspect of his occupation or another occupation altogether that is relevant to the puzzle?
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Okay, so regarding the FA...
Was the entity or entities to which he sold the potato both a farmer and product producer? yes
Did this entity or entities usually buy outside potatoes instead of/in addition to growing its own? yes Always or exclusively from Bill? irr
Was the relevant potato sold as part of a load of potatoes? no Did they all have eyes? see previous
Is there only one relevant potato with only one relevant eye? yes
Was the potato divided in some way to allow him to sell it to multiple entities? Bill sold one relevant potato to one person
Was there some significant difference between Bill and other potato farmers? no Particularly the ones to whom he sold the potato? yes, beware of FA

And I'm defining "primary occupation" as Bill getting all or most of his money and/or livelihood from the sale of potatoes he has grown. If someone asked Bill what he did for a living, he would immediately respond "I am a potato farmer." Is this accurate? yes, though in that situation I wouldn't answer I am a potato farmer, as not all farmers sell their produce
Is there some other aspect of his occupation or another occupation altogether that is relevant to the puzzle? no, yes
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Was it unusual for Bill to sell a single potato at a time? Did he sell it in order to get rid of it? Because it had already sprouted? Did he thus overlook something important about the potato that affected its value? Or would any eye from any potato have been capable of making Ted a millionaire? Once Bill had sold the potato, did he ever come into contact with it again? Hear about it? Was he still part of the story after the potato left his hands? Would the eye still have been valuable were it not for Bill's relevant secondary occupation? The "other occupation altogether" is Bill's, right?

Was the other occupation related to...
Science?
Medicine?
Engineering/innovation?
Business?
Law?
Agriculture (some more)?
The arts?
Media?
Teaching?
Something else entirely?
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Was it unusual for Bill to sell a single potato at a time? This was not the first time he had done it, but it was not common for him to sell just one Did he sell it in order to get rid of it? yesish Because it had already sprouted? yope Did he thus overlook something important about the potato that affected its value? noOr would any eye from any potato have been capable of making Ted a millionaire? yes Once Bill had sold the potato, did he ever come into contact with it again? no Hear about it? noish Was he still part of the story after the potato left his hands? NoWould the eye still have been valuable were it not for Bill's relevant secondary occupation? FA The "other occupation altogether" is Bill's, right? no

Was the other occupation related to...
Science?
Medicine?
Engineering/innovation?
Business? potato product producers would fall into this one
Law? this one
Agriculture (some more)? yes
The arts?
Media?
Teaching?
Something else entirely? I think these three fields are enough
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Is a lawsuit involved? I probably have other questions I could ask, but right now all I can think about is a guy eating a potato chip with an eye in it, whereupon a potato grows in his stomach, so he sues the potato chip company for a million bucks. I don't suppose this is it?

Did the potato product producers lose a million bucks in this deal? Without getting back anything of value?
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Is a lawsuit involved? yes I probably have other questions I could ask, but right now all I can think about is a guy eating a potato chip with an eye in it, whereupon a potato grows in his stomach, so he sues the potato chip company for a million bucks. I don't suppose this is it? you are right....this is not it

Did the potato product producers lose a million bucks in this deal? yesWithout getting back anything of value? well thats a matter of prespective, but NO
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Did Ted consume the potato? Or a product made from it? Did he use the potato in his job (e.g. if he was a chef or experimental botanist)?

Did he personally suffer some ill effect as a result of the potato? Was he unable to do something important with the potato? Or was he responsible for someone else suffering ill effects? If yes to any of the above, were these effects the result of the fact that the potato had eyes?

Was he a lawyer? Did he or his lawyer sue the potato product producers? For a million bucks? And won? Did he sue over a defect in the potato? Something that happened because the potato had eyes? Did something grow out of the relevant eye?

I just glanced back through your answers, and you said earlier that the potato led to a new and better potato. Did Ted get a replacement potato? Grow one from the eye? Inspire the product producers to up their quality standards?
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**********Spoiler********

Bill sold an old potato with an eye to a poor man. But rather than cook the potato the man let it grow more eyes, cut it apart and planted 7 potatos. From doing this he eventually had enough potatos to start a restaurant specializing in potatos that became successful. ONe day Ted came there, and choked on some french fries. He sued the restaurant and won a million dollars
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I had it all figured out. Except the bit about the poor man. And the 7 potatos. And the restaurant specializing in potatos. Not to mention the french fries. And the lawsuit.

But other than that, I had it all figured out! Good puzzle!

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