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Frank's general practitioner felt that Frank would need an operation that only a specialist could perform. So the GP sent Frank to visit the best operationist in the country - one had been recognized all over the world for performing an operation. But when Frank entered Dr. Specialist's office, he began to worry about the quality of the operation he would get.
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Does the operation involve the head?
Upper body?
Lower body?
Legs?
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Does the operation involve the head?
Upper body?
Lower body? Frank's operation involves the lower body
Legs?
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Is he worried about:

...the cleanliness?
...the equipment?
...the personnel?
...the doctor's appearance?
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Was there a newspaper article on the wall that talked about how Dr. Specialist purposefully performed nasty surgeries on a person in Frank's demographic group?
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Was it a human doctor? (as opposed to a vet?)
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Is he worried about:

...the cleanliness? no
...the equipment? yes
...the personnel? just the doctor
...the doctor's appearance? no

Was there a newspaper article on the wall that talked about how Dr. Specialist purposefully performed nasty surgeries on a person in Frank's demographic group? no

Was it a human doctor? (as opposed to a vet?) The doctor was a doctor for humans
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Was the doctor an OB/GYN?
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Does the specialist specialize in the operation that Frank needs?
Would the puzzle work if Frank was a woman?
Doctor's name is Dr. Specialist?
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Was the doctor an OB/GYN? no and Irr

Does the specialist specialize in the operation that Frank needs? yes
Would the puzzle work if Frank was a woman? yes
Doctor's name is Dr. Specialist? to distinguish him from the general practictioner and to keep someone from naming then doctor A and doctor B, which gets quit confusing
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is it relevant what the operation to be performed was specifically?
Does it involve his legs? feet?
Would the operation require anesthesia? Is it performed on an outpatient basis or does it require an overnight hospital stay?
Is the age of the doctor relevant? Is he over 60?
Is the equipment outdated or unclean?
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Is the doctor missing any limbs?
-Arm[s]
-Leg

Is this a true story?
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Did Frank see any other patients before coming to his conclusion?
Were Frank's doubts about Dr. Specialist's capabilities rational?
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Did Frank meet the doctor before coming to his conclusion? Is the GP familiar with the specialist? Is any criminal activity going on? Is the doctor actually incompetent? Is his equipment actually bad, or does it just appear so? Is the equipment:

Visibly damaged?
Obsolete?
Missing?
Disorganized?
Unprepared for the operation (for example, a dull scalpel or lights in the operating room not turned on)?

Is the nature of the equipment relevant?

If the GP were aware of Frank's concerns, could he address them to Frank's satisfaction? If the specialist were aware of Frank's concerns, could he address them?

Does Frank cancel the operation? Seek a second opinion?
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is it relevant what the operation to be performed was specifically? no

Does it involve his legs? feet?
Would the operation require anesthesia? Is it performed on an outpatient basis or does it require an overnight hospital stay?
Is the age of the doctor relevant? Is he over 60?
All irrelevant

Is the equipment outdated or unclean? no


Is the doctor missing any limbs? no
-Arm[s]
-Leg

Is this a true story? not to my knowledge, but thats not to say it couldn't happen, and its based on a particular real-life specialist.


Did Frank see any other patients before coming to his conclusion? irr
Were Frank's doubts about Dr. Specialist's capabilities rational? yope


Did Frank meet the doctor before coming to his conclusion? no
Is the GP familiar with the specialist? yes
Is any criminal activity going on?no
Is the doctor actually incompetent? no
Is his equipment actually bad, or does it just appear so? FA

Is the equipment:
Visibly damaged?
Obsolete?
Missing?
Disorganized?
Unprepared for the operation (for example, a dull scalpel or lights in the operating room not turned on)?
The above questions are based on an FA

Is the nature of the equipment relevant? yes

If the GP were aware of Frank's concerns, could he address them to Frank's satisfaction? possibly If the specialist were aware of Frank's concerns, could he address them? yes

Does Frank cancel the operation? irr Seek a second opinion? irr - you are only trying to figure out what caused Frank to worry
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You said that Frank was worried about the equipment...is he worried about one piece of equipment in particular or all of the equipment?
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Frank's worry about the doctor is not his appearance, but is it the doctor's behavior or something else Frank observes in the office such as a certificate on the wall or perhaps documentation of complaints from previous patients?
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You said that Frank was worried about the equipment...is he worried about one piece of equipment in particular or all of the equipment? it would be better to say the equipment is relevant to Frank's concern

Frank's worry about the doctor is not his appearance, but is it the doctor's behavior or something else Frank observes in the office such as a certificate on the wall yes or perhaps documentation of complaints from previous patients? no
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One certificate or multiple?
Is it a college degree? Does the particular college matter? Is it a school outside the country?
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One certificate or multiple?
Is it a college degree? Does the particular college matter? Is it a school outside the country?
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One certificate or multiple?
Is it a college degree? Does the particular college matter? Is it a school outside the country?
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Did Frank actually see the doctor's equipment? the doctor?

Did he see something which led him to the assumption that the doctor can't afford to buy good equipment? That the doctor is negligent in the maintainance of his equipment? That he has some strange ideas about what equipment is appropriate?

Is there some cultural difference involved (e.g. the office would be typical for a doctor in Italy while Frank is accustomed to Canadian doctor's offices)? Something written in a foreign language?
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One certificate or multiple? one
Is it a college degree? no Does the particular college matter? so fa Is it a school outside the country? and fa

Did Frank actually see the doctor's equipment? the doctor?Did he see something which led him to the assumption that the doctor can't afford to buy good equipment? That the doctor is negligent in the maintainance of his equipment? no to all

That he has some strange ideas about what equipment is appropriate? no but...

Is there some cultural difference involved (e.g. the office would be typical for a doctor in Italy while Frank is accustomed to Canadian doctor's offices)? no Something written in a foreign language? no
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Is it a certificate of some governmental institution? Of some professional organisation? Some educational institution other than a college? Some private not-for-profit organisation? A manufacturer of equipment? A bank? Another business? An individual person?

Did Frank read the certificate? Did he believe its content was true?
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Does the certificate suggest to Frank that Dr. Specialist is not a Dr. of Speciality? Or is in some other way unqualified? An inappropriate choice for the operation?

If Frank was correct in what this certificate caused him to believe about Dr. Specialist, would his reaction be correct? Understandable? Do we need to know more about Frank? About Dr. Specialist? About Dr. GP? About Dr. Spec's office?

Was this certificate in the waiting room, examination room, or operating room? Relevant?
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Is it a certificate of some governmental institution? Of some professional organisation? Some educational institution other than a college? Some private not-for-profit organisation? A manufacturer of equipment? A bank? none of the above Another business? yes but..An individual person? no

Did Frank read the certificate? yes Did he believe its content was true?yes

Does the certificate suggest to Frank that Dr. Specialist is not a Dr. of Speciality? no Or is in some other way unqualified? yes An inappropriate choice for the operation? yes

If Frank was correct in what this certificate caused him to believe about Dr. Specialist, would his reaction be correct? yes Understandable? yes Do we need to know more about Frank? no About Dr. Specialist? yes About Dr. GP? no About Dr. Spec's office? no

Was this certificate in the waiting room, examination room, or operating room? waiting room Relevant? no
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so did Frank see a certificate which he thought related to the qualifications of the specialist? but in fact related to something else?

was it something like an insurance certificate? health and safety? fire? something relating to death?

was it actually an advertisement? a warning? a public health message? a sign? someone else's qualification?
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so did Frank see a certificate which he thought related to the qualifications of the specialist? no but.. but in fact related to something else? yesish

was it something like an insurance certificate? health and safety? fire? something relating to death? none of these

was it actually an advertisement? no a warning? no a public health message? no a sign? no someone else's qualification? no
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Would I find this certificate at a normal doctor's office?
Was it a safety-inspection certificate?
Did it relate to his equipment at all?
Is there any equipment?
Does the specialist not use equipment?
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Is dr specialist a medical doctor?
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Would I find this certificate at a normal doctor's office? define normal doctor
Was it a safety-inspection certificate? no
Did it relate to his equipment at all? define the equipment you are asking about
Is there any equipment? see above
Does the specialist not use equipment? he uses the appropriate equipment for the correct procedures

Is dr specialist a medical doctor? yes, his speciality is irrelevant
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"one had been recognized all over the world for performing an operation"

Has the doctor performed only one operation? Or does he perform only one kind of operation? Or am I interpreting the statement incorrectly?
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Has the doctor performed only one operation? no but heading in the right direction Or does he perform only one kind of operation no Or am I interpreting the statement incorrectly? yes but
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Is the operation invasive (ie, does the patient's body have to be opened up)? Is the operation new or experimental in some way? Does the doctor, despite his expertise, appear to be unqualified to do the operation? Perhaps, he's blind or has no hands? Does he have any infirmities?
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Has the doctor performed only one -*insert operation kind*- operation? And maybe because the patient in that operation was significantly different from Frank, Frank is worried?
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Is the equipment referred to in Alancookie's May 5 post and answered Yes on your May 6 response the certificate?

Is the rest of the equipment he would use in his practice irrelevant to this story?

Can we say that the certificate, and only the certificate causes the problem for Frank?

Does the certificate leave the impression that
Dr. Specialist:
- has a conflict of interest?
- is inexperienced in performing the operation?
- has poor outcomes when performing the operation?
- will cause pain?
- will cause deformity?
- will shorten Frank's life?
- will successfully perform the operation but expose Frank to some other undesirable outcome?
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Does the certificate leave the impression that
Dr. Specialist:
- may be a quack?
- may cause Frank embarassment?
- may be unethical?
- may have improper or undesirable motivations?

I think you answered this -- does the certificate relate to something that is different than the specialty that Frank is seeing him for?

If different, does the certificate relate to another discipline of patient care? Would both his specialty and the discipline represented by the certificate be considered mainstream medicine?

Is Frank's particular condition, his operation, and the specialty important to understand?

Assuming his condition is, Frank's condition involves his lower body. Would it be his:
- Lower GI?
- Pelvic area?
- A particular organ?
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Is the operation invasive (ie, does the patient's body have to be opened up)? yes but the operation is irrelevant Is the operation new or experimental in some way? no Does the doctor, despite his expertise, appear to be unqualified to do the operation? Frank thinks so Perhaps, he's blind or has no hands? No Does he have any infirmities?no


Has the doctor performed only one -*insert operation kind*- operation? rephrase please
And maybe because the patient in that operation was significantly different from Frank, Frank is worried? OTRT
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Is the equipment referred to in Alancookie's May 5 post and answered Yes on your May 6 response the certificate? no

Is the rest of the equipment he would use in his practice irrelevant to this story? Please rephrase, being specific as to which equipment you are defining as relevant and irrelevant

Can we say that the certificate, and only the certificate causes the problem for Frank? Yes - though keep in mind the certificate was given for a reason

Does the certificate leave the impression that
Dr. Specialist:
- has a conflict of interest? no
- is inexperienced in performing the operation? No but...
- has poor outcomes when performing the operation? no
- will cause pain? no
- will cause deformity? no
- will shorten Frank's life? no
- will successfully perform the operation but expose Frank to some other undesirable outcome? no

Does the certificate leave the impression that
Dr. Specialist:
- may be a quack? This one
- may cause Frank embarassment?
- may be unethical?
- may have improper or undesirable motivations?

I think you answered this -- does the certificate relate to something that is different than the specialty that Frank is seeing him for? Yesish

If different, does the certificate relate to another discipline of patient care? no Would both his specialty and the discipline represented by the certificate be considered mainstream medicine? no

Is Frank's particular condition, his operation, and the specialty important to understand? No, Frank could have any condition, and need any operation. This is based in part on a true story though, so I'm avoiding mentioning the speciality as it would enable googling

Assuming his condition is, Frank's condition involves his lower body. Would it be his:
irr
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Location and time period relevant? If so, LTPF list of continents and centuries, please.

Rephrased question - Assume that there is a specific operation called X (could be a bypass, cataract surgery, anything). Has Dr. Specialist performed operation X very few times, but in general he is an excellent doctor?

Is this operation a very recent medical discovery/advancement(recent for the time period this is set in)? A cure for a (previously incurable) disease?

If the above is not completely true,
then let us assume that there is a common, and oft-practiced operation called Y. Due to some medical advancement, this operation Y can now be done more quickly/easily/cheaply, whatever.
But this requires a change/betterment of existing equipment, and this requirement renders Dr.Specialist's current equipment inappropriate and unsatisfactory.
Is Frank worried due to the above?
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Location and time period relevant? yesish If so, LTPF list of continents and centuries, please. It happened between 2002 and 2007, in a modernized country

Rephrased question - Assume that there is a specific operation called X (could be a bypass, cataract surgery, anything). Has Dr. Specialist performed operation X very few times, but in general he is an excellent doctor? I believe you are working on an FA here, but Dr. Specialist has performed all of his operations numerous times

Is this operation a very recent medical discovery/advancement(recent for the time period this is set in)? no A cure for a (previously incurable) disease? no

If the above is not completely true,
then let us assume that there is a common, and oft-practiced operation called Y. Due to some medical advancement, this operation Y can now be done more quickly/easily/cheaply, whatever.
But this requires a change/betterment of existing equipment, and this requirement renders Dr.Specialist's current equipment inappropriate and unsatisfactory.
Is Frank worried due to the above? No and I believe you are still on an FA
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For some reason the posted certificate causes Frank to lose confidence, and this is the crux of the puzzle. We figure out why, and we've solved, correct?

You had answered no to "Would both his specialty and the discipline represented by the certificate be considered mainstream medicine?"

Maybe I should break it in two: Would his specialty be considered mainstream medicine? Would the certificate be related to mainstream medicine?

Is his problem with the certificate:
- Its appearance
- Its source
- Specific details on the certificate
- A conflict between that which is represented by the certificate and his area of specialty? The practice of medicine? Mainstream science?
- The appropriateness of posting this certificate in the office of this specialty
- It may be a forgery
- He is accredited by the Nigerian Online School of Urology & Witchcraft?

The impression is that he may be a quack -- does the certificate indicate that he may believe in or employ marginal practices?
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For some reason the posted certificate causes Frank to lose confidence, and this is the crux of the puzzle. We figure out why, and we've solved, correct? yes


Maybe I should break it in two: Would his specialty be considered mainstream medicine? yes Would the certificate be related to mainstream medicine? no

Is his problem with the certificate:
- Its appearance no
- Its source no but...
- Specific details on the certificate yes
- A conflict between that which is represented by the certificate and his area of specialty? define what you mean by conflict, if you mean like, He's an abortion doctor, and the certifcate is his ordination from the Catholic church, then no
The practice of medicine? yope
Mainstream science? no
- The appropriateness of posting this certificate in the office of this specialty no
- It may be a forgery no it is legitimate
- He is accredited by the Nigerian Online School of Urology & Witchcraft? no

The impression is that he may be a quack -- does the certificate indicate that he may believe in or employ marginal practices? Define marginal practices
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Does the troubling information on the certificate have anything to do with seeming inconsistencies with time and age? Which is to say, does the certificate look super old and Dr. Special looks like he's 20? or does the certificate say that Dr. Special is 20 and he looks super old?

If this is super confusing i can rephrase it.
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Is the troubling part of the certificate have to do with the certificate's general appearance? or actual things stated on the certificate? or a little of both? (ex. is it a form stating supreme cleanliness and yet it is splattered in blood.)
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Does it suggest his membership in an organization or that he holds to a doctrine that is at odds with his profession? For example a pseudoscientific belief?
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Does the troubling information on the certificate have anything to do with seeming inconsistencies with time and age? No Which is to say, does the certificate look super old and Dr. Special looks like he's 20? no or does the certificate say that Dr. Special is 20 and he looks super old? no

Is the troubling part of the certificate have to do with the certificate's general appearance? no or actual things stated on the certificate? yes or a little of both? no(ex. is it a form stating supreme cleanliness and yet it is splattered in blood.)no

Does it suggest his membership in an organization or that he holds to a doctrine that is at odds with his profession? No but only select people could have such a certificate; no For example a pseudoscientific belief?No
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The certificate is not related to mainstream medicine, correct? Is it related to alternative medical practices, such as chiropractic medicine, homeopathic medicine, vitamin therapy, etc.? Is it related to medicine or patient care at all?

Is the certificate issued by an academic institution? A social club? Is it a certificate of appreciation? Or is it a certificate that signifies the doctor is a member of an organization? Or has acheived a certain level of knowledge in some area? Or is licensed in some capacity? Is it political in nature?

Would the certificate cause concern if posted in the office of a non-medical professional, such as an attorney or CPA? Or does it cause a specific problem with this medical professional?

Would it create an impression of quackery if posted in any doctor's office? Or is it specific to this practice of medicine?

Does the certificate have anything to do with malpractice?

Does it represent a conflict of interest?
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The certificate is not related to mainstream medicine, correct?correct Is it related to alternative medical practices, such as chiropractic medicine, homeopathic medicine, vitamin therapy, etc.? noIs it related to medicine or patient care at all? define related

Is the certificate issued by an academic institution? noA social club? noIs it a certificate of appreciation? no Or is it a certificate that signifies the doctor is a member of an organization? no Or has acheived a certain level of knowledge in some area? no but otrt Or is licensed in some capacity? no Is it political in nature? no

Would the certificate cause concern if posted in the office of a non-medical professional, such as an attorney or CPA? No Or does it cause a specific problem with this medical professional? In Frank's mind, it does

Would it create an impression of quackery if posted in any doctor's office? Frank would be worried if saw it in any specialists office that was going to perform surgery on him Or is it specific to this practice of medicine? no

Does the certificate have anything to do with malpractice? no

Does it represent a conflict of interest? no
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Does it represent stupidity on the doctor's part? An indication that any operation the doctor did would be fatal? Would fail? An indication that a particular part of the operation would fail (like, say, anesthesia)?
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Does it represent stupidity on the doctor's part? no An indication that any operation the doctor did would be fatal? no Would fail? no An indication that a particular part of the operation would fail (like, say, anesthesia)? no
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Does it contrast abruptly with image a surgeon might wish to cultivate?

Examples of certificates that might do this:
- Meat cutters union
- Professional knife thrower
- Something related to assisted suicide
- Expert witness advocating for doctors accused of malpractice
- Insurance company award for minimizing costs
- Big game hunter
- Lab animal experimentation
- Veteranarian
- Military interrogator
- Carpenter

Any of these relavent?

Does the certificate relate to:
- Life and death
- Cutting flesh
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Does it contrast abruptly with image a surgeon might wish to cultivate? no

Examples of certificates that might do this:
- Meat cutters union
- Professional knife thrower
- Something related to assisted suicide
- Expert witness advocating for doctors accused of malpractice
- Insurance company award for minimizing costs
- Big game hunter
- Lab animal experimentation
- Veteranarian irrelevant comment, but since veteranarians perform surgeries,often on smaller parts, and have to start out with patients who are more likely to bite than others (old RD army joke), a surgeon would like benefit from also being a veternarian.
- Military interrogator
- Carpenter

Any of these relavent? no

Does the certificate relate to:
- Life and death no
- Cutting flesh no
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Does Dr Specialist not think that having the certificate there will deter his patients? Does he assume it won;t because he knows the entire truth behind the situation and assumes his patients will too?

Does Frank misunderstand the situation?

Is the certificate to do with what Dr Spec got his doctorate in?
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Does Dr Specialist not think that having the certificate there will deter his patients? Dr. Specialist does not think the certificate will deter his patients Does he assume it won;t because he knows the entire truth behind the situation and assumes his patients will too? FA

Does Frank misunderstand the situation? possibly

Is the certificate to do with what Dr Spec got his doctorate in? no
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Pardon me if this question has already been asked in a different form:

Is the problem with the certificate the certificate itself? Or with Frank's perception of it?

Would most people have a similar concern with the certficate? Or does Frank have a unique perspective that causes him to be concerned with the certificate?
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Any wordplay relevant? Maybe Frank misinterprets a word or a phrase?
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Pardon me if this question has already been asked in a different form:

Is the problem with the certificate the certificate itself? Please clarify what you mean Or with Frank's perception of it? Frank's perception is very relevant

Would most people have a similar concern with the certficate? who knows? I'd be glad to see it, Sam, would be relieved. I do not know how Sean, Daniel, Mary, or Felicia would feel Or does Frank have a unique perspective that causes him to be concerned with the certificate? No, I wouldn't call it unique, but his perspective is relevant

Any wordplay relevant? yes Maybe Frank misinterprets a word or a phrase?no
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Any puns involved?
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Any puns involved? no
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Is wordplay involved in the puzzle statement? The language on the certificate?

Is it likely that a reasonable person, who understood the intent of the language on the certificate, would have an issue with the certificate?

If Frank did not have his particular perspective, would he still have an issue with the certificate?

In the puzzle statement, you refer to the specialist as an operationist, rather than a surgeon or specialist. Is the choice of the word operationist relevant?
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Is wordplay involved in the puzzle statement? no The language on the certificate? no

Is it likely that a reasonable person, who understood the intent of the language on the certificate, would have an issue with the certificate? possibly

If Frank did not have his particular perspective, would he still have an issue with the certificate? well that depends on what his perspective would be replaced by

In the puzzle statement, you refer to the specialist as an operationist, rather than a surgeon or specialist. Is the choice of the word operationist relevant? yes
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In the puzzle statement, the word operation is mentioned 3 times. Does the precise meaning of operation1 = operation2 = operation3? Does the operation that the GP thinks Frank needs the same as the operation that Dr. Specialist was recognized for having performed?

He was renowned for having performed "an operation" -- this seems to refer to a single operation. Is he recognized for having performed a single operation? Or for performing these operations in general?

Is Frank's perception of what operation he needs the same as the GP's?

Does the certificate refer to the operation?

Is the operation a surgery?

Wordplay is involved but not in the puzzle statement nor in the certificate. Is it involved in the dialog of the story? In the title Umm Doctor? In the description of the story? In the questions and answers in this forum?
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In the puzzle statement, the word operation is mentioned 3 times. Does the precise meaning of operation1 = operation2 = operation3? no Does the operation that the GP thinks Frank needs the same as the operation that Dr. Specialist was recognized for having performed? no

He was renowned for having performed "an operation" -- this seems to refer to a single operation. Is he recognized for having performed a single operation? this one Or for performing these operations in general?

Is Frank's perception of what operation he needs the same as the GP's? yes

Does the certificate refer to the operation? Which operation?

Is the operation a surgery? which operation?

Wordplay is involved but not in the puzzle statement nor in the certificate. Is it involved in the dialog of the story? In the title Umm Doctor? In the description of the story? In the questions and answers in this forum? Let me get back to you on this. I see I've answered this incongrously.
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Seems like untangling the various meanings of the operations is the key to solving?

Operation1 (o1)= The procedure recommended by the GP
Operation2 (o2) = A yet to be defined operation
Operation3 (o3) = A procedure, the quality of which Frank is concerned about.

Any errors or FA's above?

Which of the following statements are NOT correct:
o1 = o3
o1 is a medical procedure
o1 is recommended by the GP and desired by Frank
o2 is the operation that corresponds to the word "operationist"

Is there any relationship between o1 and o2? Do they sound alike? Do they have identical spellings?

Was the GP correct that Dr. Specialist was competent to perform o1?

Is o2 a medical procedure?

Does the certificate relate to o2? o1? Is a certificate of commendation? Appreciation?

Military history relevant?
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Seems like untangling the various meanings of the operations is the key to solving?

Operation1 (o1)= The procedure recommended by the GP
Operation2 (o2) = A yet to be defined operation
Operation3 (o3) = A procedure, the quality of which Frank is concerned about.

Any errors or FA's above? no

Which of the following statements are NOT correct:
o1 = o3
o1 is a medical procedure
o1 is recommended by the GP and desired by Frank
o2 is the operation that corresponds to the word "operationist"
they are all correct

Is there any relationship between o1 and o2? yes, but beware of FA Do they sound alike? irr Do they have identical spellings? no

Was the GP correct that Dr. Specialist was competent to perform o1? yes

Is o2 a medical procedure? yopish, it does fit into the wiki definition of medical procedure, and a good number of doctors of the same speciality as Dr. Specialist have performed it. However there are also definitions of medical procedure that it does not fit into

Does the certificate relate to o2? this oneo1?

Is a certificate of commendation? yes Appreciation? it recognizes the significance and magnitude of what Dr. Specialist did

Military history relevant? no
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Is it relevant whether Dr. Specialist is male or female? If so, is Dr. S male? female?

Does Frank's anxiety have anything to do with the gender of the specialist? Dr. S's age? Does the certificate imply the relevant anxiety-producing characteristic? rather than state it outright?
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Is it relevant whether Dr. Specialist is male or female? no If so, is Dr. S male? female?

Does Frank's anxiety have anything to do with the gender of the specialist? so no Dr. S's age? no

Does the certificate imply the relevant anxiety-producing characteristic? Franks interpretation of it makes him anxious. Other people may see it and be relieved, or they may see it and think the same as Frank rather than state it outright?
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So the certificate can either make people anxious (such as Frank) or make them feel relieved, such is the relevance of the information? So does that mean that a person can't have a neutral reaction like

"Oh, that's all very well, but this doesn't affect my operation or my perception of Dr. Specialist's abilities, either positively or negatively".
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So the certificate can either make people anxious (such as Frank) or make them feel relieved, such is the relevance of the information? So does that mean that a person can't have a neutral reaction like

"Oh, that's all very well, but this doesn't affect my operation or my perception of Dr. Specialist's abilities, either positively or negatively".

The certificate reflects a certain abilitytaht Dr. Specialist has, and that ability would be used in surgery. Some people may not think twice about it, but I imagine most would have an opinion one way or the other, upon seeing it
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Is Dr. Specialist ambidextrous? Relevant?
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Is Dr. Specialist ambidextrous? irrelevent
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Are any of the following relevant:
- Anesthesia
- Pain
- Dr. Specialist having been operated on himself
- Limitations or handicaps of Dr. Specialist
- Operating on famous people
- First time operations
- Experimental operations
- Acupuncture
- Veteranary medicine
- Tattooing or piercing
- Physical strength
- Contests or competitions
- Abortion
- Cosmetic surgery
- Blood
- HIV
- Disease
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Are any of the following relevant:
- Anesthesia
- Pain
- Dr. Specialist having been operated on himself
- Limitations or handicaps of Dr. Specialist
- Operating on famous people
- First time operations
- Experimental operations
- Acupuncture
- Veteranary medicine
- Tattooing or piercing
- Physical strength
- Contests or competitions yes
- Abortion
- Cosmetic surgery
- Blood
- HIV
- Disease
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Contests or competitions -- assuming it is related to the operation (o2) in question, correct? Which of the following are relevant:
- Fastest operation
- Longest operation
- Most operations
- Most failed operations
- Race
- Fight
- War
- Cheapest operation
- Most expensive operation
- Sales competition
- Money related
- Accidental operation

Did he come in first place? Did he get the booby prize? Was the certificate a joke?

Was the contest conducted by an organization that produced the certificate? Was it a mounted newspaper clipping or news story?

Did Dr. Specialist participate as a competitor in the contest? Or did he have some other role?
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Contests or competitions -- assuming it is related to the operation (o2) in question, correct? Which of the following are relevant:
- Fastest operation this
- Longest operation
- Most operations
- Most failed operations
- Race yes, beware of FA
- Fight
- War
- Cheapest operation
- Most expensive operation
- Sales competition
- Money related
- Accidental operation

Did he come in first place? yes Did he get the booby prize?no Was the certificate a joke? no

Was the contest conducted by an organization that produced the certificate? Noish Was it a mounted newspaper clipping or news story? no

Did Dr. Specialist participate as a competitor in the contest? yes Or did he have some other role?no
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Progress check:
- Dr. S. won a first prize for completing o2 the fastest
- o2 is not identical to o1
- o2 could be considered to be medical in nature
All correct?

Does o2 involve cutting? Chopping? Stabbing? Martial arts? Sleight of hand? Killing? Hunting? Sewing? Blood? Cooking? Pain? Unconsciousness? Education?

Did the contest involve Dr. S. operating (performing o2) on someone? An animal? An object? A single person/animal/object? Multiple? Are non-human animals involved in any way?

How long would o2 likely have taken Dr. S. to complete and earn this certificate? 1 second, 30 seconds, 1 minute, 5 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour, 4 hours, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 2 years, 10 years?

Do non-medical people compete in performing o2? Have most people heard of or witnessed one of these kinds of contests? Or would they be considered unusual?

Religion or ethnicity relevant?

I'm thinking of several scenarios -- Patient needs a vasectomy -- Dr. S. won a calf castrating contest. Or a circumcision contest. Or a sheep-shearing contest. Or a chicken plucking contest. Any of these OTRT?

FA on the race question -- is race more relevant to a speed contest? Or to ethnicity? If speed contest, would the FA be related to the idea that two or more competitors were performing at the same time and trying to complete o2 first?
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Progress check:
- Dr. S. won a first prize for completing o2 the fastest yes
- o2 is not identical to o1 yes
- o2 could be considered to be medical in nature yopish
All correct? see above

Does o2 involve cutting? Chopping? Stabbing? Martial arts? no to all

Sleight of hand? no magic tricks involved
Killing? Hunting? Sewing? Blood? Cooking? Pain? Unconsciousness? Education? no to all

Did the contest involve Dr. S. operating (performing o2) on someone? no An animal?no An object? yes A single person/animal/object? yesish Multiple? yesish Are non-human animals involved in any way? no

How long would o2 likely have taken Dr. S. to complete and earn this certificate? 1 second, 30 seconds, 1 minute, 5 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour, 4 hours, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 2 years, 10 years? just over 1 minute

Do non-medical people compete in performing o2? yes Have most people heard of or witnessed one of these kinds of contests? yes Or would they be considered unusual? possibly

Religion or ethnicity relevant? no

I'm thinking of several scenarios -- Patient needs a vasectomy -- Dr. S. won a calf castrating contest. Or a circumcision contest. Or a sheep-shearing contest. Or a chicken plucking contest. Any of these OTRT? no

FA on the race question -- is race more relevant to a speed contest? yes Or to ethnicity? noIf speed contest, would the FA be related to the idea that two or more competitors were performing at the same time and trying to complete o2 first? yope
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All questions relate to the competition involving o2:

Are competitors usually men? Women? Boys? Girls?
Usually held at a certain time during the year? During a particular season?
Indoors? Outdoors? In a particular location?
Besides the objects that are operated upon, are other tools used?
Does the contest involve multiple people competing against each other at the same time? Or is each competitor individually timed?
Team competition? Or individual competitors?
Does a competitor move from one location to another during the contest? Or stay in one location?
Is the contest physically demanding? After having won the contest in just over 1 minute, could he have repeated the performance multiple times over the next hour, scoring the same each time?
Is the score based only on time -- whoever performs o2 in the shortest amount of time wins?
Is the contest primarily physical? Or mental?
Is the goal of o2 to make some physical change to the object(s)? If so, would it be to build something? Take something apart? Change something?
Does this contest require technology that was not available in the year 1800? 1900? 1950? 1980? 2000?
Setting aside possible tools that would be used to operate on the objects, are all of the objects the same? Are they organic? Derived from plants? Animals? Man-made?
Are the objects solid? Liquid? Gaseous?
Non-room temperatures involved? If so, colder? Warmer?
Is the competitor dressed in a distinct manner? Is there a helmet? Gloves? Any special gear?
Does the contest take place on ground level, at sea level?
Is it likely that certain people might be offended if they observed the contest?
What parts of the competitor's body are primarily involved in the contest: Eyes, ears, nose, mouth, head, shoulders, arms, hands, back, legs, feet?
During the contest, does one competitor engage with another? Do they touch physically?
The contest involves a skill that many surgeons have and that is used in surgury -- would this be related to manual dexterity? Sewing? Is speaking involved? Acting like an imperious know-it-all? Sticking of needles? Sponging? Is suction involved?
Yesish on single vs multiple objects -- is this because the objects involved are not distinct? Would it be better to call them substances?
Yope on o2 being a medical procedure, and o2 does not involve operating on a person or animal -- does it involve performing a "practice" operation on an object, such as performing CPR on a dummy?
Does o2 involve performing a process one time? Multiple times? Are there separate distinct steps in the process?
Eating contest? Drinking contest? CPR contest?
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Is o2 related to the board game "operation"? I would assume a good surgeon would be really good at that game, since it requires a steady hand and all.

Does o2 require any of the same skills as surgery?
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All questions relate to the competition involving o2:

Are competitors usually men? Women? Boys? Girls? all

Usually held at a certain time during the year? no During a particular season? no

Indoors? this one Outdoors?

In a particular location? no

Besides the objects that are operated upon, are other tools used? yes
Does the contest involve multiple people competing against each other at the same time? No, it was in the case, but doesn't need to be Or is each competitor individually timed? yes
Team competition? Or individual competitors? this one

Does a competitor move from one location to another during the contest? Or stay in one location? this one

Is the contest physically demanding? Possibly After having won the contest in just over 1 minute, could he have repeated the performance multiple times over the next hour, scoring the same each time? perhaps, but I wouldn't expect him to do it 59 times straight

Is the score based only on time -- whoever performs o2 in the shortest amount of time wins? yes
Is the contest primarily physical? this one Or mental?

Is the goal of o2 to make some physical change to the object(s)? If so, would it be to build something? Take something apart? this is closest, see the answer to the next persons question Change something?

Does this contest require technology that was not available in the year 1800? yes1900? yes1950?yes 1980?no 2000? no

Setting aside possible tools that would be used to operate on the objects, are all of the objects the same? Are they organic? Derived from plants? Animals? Man-made?
Are the objects solid? Liquid? Gaseous?
Non-room temperatures involved? If so, colder? Warmer? Is the competitor dressed in a distinct manner? Is there a helmet? Gloves? Any special gear? Does the contest take place on ground level, at sea level? these can all be answered by reading my response to the next person's question



Is it likely that certain people might be offended if they observed the contest? is there anything that isn't offensive to someone. But I'd say in most cases, No

What parts of the competitor's body are primarily involved in the contest: Eyes, ears, nose, mouth, head, shoulders, arms, hands, back, legs, feet? eyes, hand, arm

During the contest, does one competitor engage with another? no Do they touch physically? no
The contest involves a skill that many surgeons have and that is used in surgury -- would this be related to manual dexterity? yesSewing?no Is speaking involved? noActing like an imperious know-it-all?no Sticking of needles? noSponging? noIs suction involved? no

Yesish on single vs multiple objects -- is this because the objects involved are not distinct? Would it be better to call them substances?
Yope on o2 being a medical procedure, and o2 does not involve operating on a person or animal -- does it involve performing a "practice" operation on an object, such as performing CPR on a dummy?
Does o2 involve performing a process one time? Multiple times? Are there separate distinct steps in the process? again I'll skip on answering these because all will be clarified in my answer to Ohlala8


Eating contest? Drinking contest? CPR contest? no to all
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Is o2 related to the board game "operation"? yesI would assume a good surgeon would be really good at that game, since it requires a steady hand and all.

Does o2 require any of the same skills as surgery? yes
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So Frank saw a certificate the doctor won for an "operation" contest and this worried him because he thought the doctor's skill was limited to a pair of tweezers and a plastic butterfly in the stomach? Or is there more to it than that?
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***Spoiler***

The doctor was the urologist who held the Guinness World record for fastest game of operation. He set the world record at the British Association of Urological Surgeons convention in Dublin in 2001 (his record has since been beaten). Frank saw the Guinness world record holder certificate on the wall, and rather than interpret as a credit to the doctors skill and steady hand, worried that the doctor was more interested in playing games than he was in his profession

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