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The antidote really cost them.
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Cost them:
Money?
Time?
Lives?
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Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle):
Cost them:
Money? yes
Time? that too
Lives? thankfully not..could have, though
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Antidote for a poison?
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Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle):

Antidote for a poison? no
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Antidote as in a cure?
For a health related concern?
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Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle):

Antidote as in a cure? noish
For a health related concern? no
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Can the antidote be ingested?
Applied topically?
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Can the antidote be ingested? yes, but misleading
Applied topically?yes, but also misleading
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Antidote = remedy / quick fix?
Was there a cheaper alternative to the antidote?
Would it have been as effective? convenient? timely?
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Antidote = remedy yes / quick fix? can be this too
Was there a cheaper alternative to the antidote? no, FA lurking
Would it have been as effective? convenient? timely? see above
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Was the antidote used to remedy a pysical problem with people? things (like cars or buildings)? a situation (like a conflict)?
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Antidote: Chemical substance which counteracts the effects of poison in a biological victim?
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Flemsneezy (Flemsneezy):

Was the antidote used to remedy a pysical problem with people? things (like cars or buildings)? a situation (like a conflict)?no to both, FA lurking

Absinthe (Absinthe):
Antidote: Chemical substance which counteracts the effects of poison in a biological victim? in this case the term is used more liberally
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Is the antidote a liquid? Solid? Gas? Plasma? Other?
Is it naturally occurring? Obtained from animals? Human-made?
Is the antidote widely commercially available? Rare? OTC? Order-only?
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Caesarachilles (Caesarachilles):

Is the antidote a liquid? this Solid? can be this Gas? or this Plasma? Other? Most often used in liquid form
Is it naturally occurring? yes Obtained from animals? no Human-made? can be I suppose
Is the antidote widely commercially available? yes Rare? no OTC? yes Order-only? no
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Is "antidote" meant in the metaphorical sense, as in how alcohol could be a remedy for sorrow?

"Naturally occuring": is it a plant (or part thereof) that is used as the antidote? Processed from some mineral or other non-biological source? Does it bubble out of a hole in the ground? Is it just lying around (in "the wild" or "in nature") for anyone to pick up?
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Caesarachilles (Caesarachilles):

Is "antidote" meant in the metaphorical sense, as in how alcohol could be a remedy for sorrow? yes

"Naturally occuring": is it a plant (or part thereof) that is used as the antidote? no Processed from some mineral or other non-biological source? can be Does it bubble out of a hole in the ground? as a matter of fact Is it just lying around (in "the wild" or "in nature") for anyone to pick up? yes
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Was the antidote costly because of its location (i.e., it's a long/difficult journey to get it)? Because of packaging/processing costs? Does it even require significant processing (besides just sticking it in a container)?

Does its chemical formula contain carbon? Oxygen? Hydrgen? Nitrogen? Anything besides these?
Does it have an "active ingredient," (e.g., THC in cannabis) or is it the substance itself (e.g., alcohol)? (Note that those are not guesses, just examples.)

Does the antidote remedy some sort of emotional distress, such as sorrow, fear, anxiety, or depression?
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Caesarachilles (Caesarachilles):

Was the antidote costly because of its location yesish (i.e., it's a long/difficult journey to get it)? no Because of packaging/processing costs? no Does it even require significant processing (besides just sticking it in a container)? no

Does its chemical formula contain carbon? no Oxygen? yes Hydrgen? yes Nitrogen? no Anything besides these? no
Does it have an "active ingredient," (e.g., THC in cannabis) no or is it the substance itself (e.g., alcohol)? yes (Note that those are not guesses, just examples.)

Does the antidote remedy some sort of emotional distress, such as sorrow, fear, anxiety, or depression? not directly
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Water? Salt? Fresh?
Needs to be "bottled at the source," thus increasing cost?
Is the source in a desert? Some other inhospitable place where access may be inconvenient or dangerous?
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"They" = Humans? Adults?
Is the antidote something they had expected to need?
Did all of them need it or just some of them? Only one person?
Did they get the antidote from someone else? Multiple persons?
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Caesarachilles (Caesarachilles):

Water? yes Salt? Fresh? this one
Needs to be "bottled at the source," thus increasing cost? no
Is the source in a desert? no Some other inhospitable place where access may be inconvenient or dangerous? no

"They" = Humans? Adults? yes to both
Is the antidote something they had expected to need? can't answer as is, restate the question
Did all of them need it or just some of them? Only one person? FA
Did they get the antidote from someone else? no Multiple persons? no, FA lurking
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How many are there in "them"? 1? 2+? 10+? 50+?
Did they get the antidote for themselves or someone(s) else? Both?
Did the person(s) who got it need it or just want it? Neither?
Was the antidote "administered"? At the source? Somewhere else?

Were there any costs beyond time and money?

Random possible stroke of inspiration: Is Greek mythology somehow related to this? Perhaps Midas?
Any other well-known story (from any mythological/real setting)?
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Caesarachilles (Caesarachilles):

How many are there in "them"? 1? 2+? 10+? 50+? Lets say four, but not particularly relevant
Did they get the antidote for themselves or someone(s) else? Both? They have it for all, but relevant only for one other
Did the person(s) who got it need it yes or just want it? this too Neither?
Was the antidote "administered"? not directly At the source? no Somewhere else? yes

Were there any costs beyond time and money? to aquire the antidote, no

Random possible stroke of inspiration: Is Greek mythology somehow related to this? Perhaps Midas?
Any other well-known story (from any mythological/real setting)? no to all

HINT: This is based on a true story
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BLOOPER: I should have added to the following question:

Did the person(s) who got it need it yes or just want it? FA here
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Is it relevant if the intended recipient actually recieved the antidote? If so, did they?

Is the distance between the source and recipient relevant? If so, was it a significant distance?
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did they need it to get rid of poison or other disease?
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Is the water used for drinking?
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Caesarachilles (Caesarachilles):
Is it relevant if the intended recipient actually recieved the antidote? not really If so, did they?yesish

Is the distance between the source and recipient relevant? no If so, was it a significant distance?

Anneja (Anneja):
did they need it to get rid of poison or other disease? no

Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle):
Is the water used for drinking?That is the intent
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Was it the Fountain of Youth?

Was it a spring that was generating water?

Was the malady to cured by the antidote:
- Aging?
- Threat of eternal damnation?
- Spiritual?
- Physical?
- Metaphysical?
- Drought?
- Thirst?
- Excessive heat?

Pardon the overlapping paradigms.

Is the antidote to be applied by drinking the water? Being immersed? Swimming? Taking the water somewhere else? Splashing?

Was the water to be mixed with something else?

Temperature of the water or environment relavent?
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Excessive cost was primarily in money? Or are you using the word "cost" more generally to refer to excessive effort? Lost opportunity?

Did they have to purchase the water? Incur expense in getting the water? Was the expense primarily due to travel and transportation?

Is this a fruitful line of questioning?
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Davesnothere (Davesnothere):

Was it the Fountain of Youth? no

Was it a spring that was generating water? no

Was the malady to cured by the antidote:
- Aging?
- Threat of eternal damnation?
- Spiritual?
- Physical? This one
- Metaphysical?
- Drought?
- Thirst?
- Excessive heat? This is along the right track. No to the rest

Pardon the overlapping paradigms.

Is the antidote to be applied by drinking the water? no Being immersed? Swimming? Taking the water somewhere else? Splashing? There is a FA lurking here

Was the water to be mixed with something else? no

Temperature of the water or environment relavent? no

Excessive cost was primarily in money? Indirectly Or are you using the word "cost" more generally to refer to excessive effort? Lost opportunity? no to both

Did they have to purchase the water? yes Incur expense in getting the water? That too, but...Was the expense primarily due to travel and transportation? no

Is this a fruitful line of questioning? Let me see if I can make it one

HINT: Just because there is talk of an antidote, doesn't mean anyone used it. The antidote referred to in the puzzle was never used to remedy anything.
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But someone planned to use it to remedy something? But in the end there was no need to remedy anything? Or were there some other means to do so? Do the people getting the water know that what they get is water and nothing else?
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Markobr (Markobr):

But someone planned to use it to remedy something? no But in the end there was no need to remedy anything? incorrect Or were there some other means to do so? yes Do the people getting the water know that what they get is water and nothing else? yope, FA lurking
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Is whoever gets the water a human being (or several human beings)? More than one?

Is what he gets/they get indeed water and nothing else? Is the container for the water relevant?
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Markobr (Markobr):

Is whoever gets the water no a human being (or several human beings)? no More than one? no

Is what he gets/they get indeed water and nothing else? the antidote is indeed water and only water Is the container for the water relevant? yes
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So in fact, nobody actually got the water? And "they" are not human?
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Markobr (Markobr):

So in fact, nobody actually got the water? correct And "they" are not human? correct
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Sounds like the word antidote is not the remedy to a human malady, correct? For example, water could be the antidote for a drought. Am I on the right track?

You said yes that the water was for drinking -- is the problem to be solved by the antidote the need to provide potable water? To an area where it did was not abundant, like a desert?

Is there a single specific location on the earth that this story takes place?

You said true story -- is it a historical event?
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Hmmm... "they" are not human, but it cost "them" money. And based on a true story? Are "they" trained animals? Corporations? Government agencies? Charities? Religious organisations?
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Sounds like the word antidote is not the remedy to a human malady, correct? yes For example, water could be the antidote for a drought. Am I on the right track? yes

You said yes that the water was for drinking -- is the problem to be solved by the antidote the need to provide potable water? no To an area where it did was not abundant, like a desert? no

Is there a single specific location on the earth that this story takes place? yes

You said true story -- is it a historical event? merely a true story that I found interesting

Markobr (Markobr):
Hmmm... "they" are not human, but it cost "them" money. And based on a true story? Are "they" trained animals? Corporations? Government agencies? Charities? Religious organisations?

This is wandering down a FA path, so, hint time

HINT: They does not equal them. They is singular and them is plural. They and them are associated but not the same.
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So there are some humans who spend time and (indirectly) money? For preparations to get water? For obtaining a container for the water?

And there are some non-humans involved. One non-human? More than one? Animals? To be used for the transport of water? As a "power source" for a well?
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So there are some humans who spend time and (indirectly) money? yes For preparations to get water? For obtaining a container for the water? this

And there are some non-humans involved. One non-human? this one More than one? Animals? yes To be used for the transport of water? As a "power source" for a well? no to both
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Is the animal the container? If not, is the container a transportable one? Or some kind of fixed installation (basin, cistern, water tower...)?
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Is the animal the container? no If not, is the container a transportable one? yes Or some kind of fixed installation (basin, cistern, water tower...)?no
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Is the animal to be used for the transport of the container? Is the animal meant to drink the water?

Is the species of the animal relevant?
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Is the animal to be used for the transport of the container? no Is the animal meant to drink the water? yes

Is the species of the animal relevant? not particularly, but people around here are often keen to guess when it comes to animals
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The costly thing was obtaining the container, not the water? Is the container one that is commonly used for the storage or transport of water?

Is the animal supposed to do some kind of work? Is it a pet? Or is it an animal the people want to get somehow rid of?
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Is drinking water for the animal the antidote referred to?

Other than the water that is drunk by the animal, does water play any other part in this story?

Is the animal a beast of burden? To be used to assist humans in some way?

Do we have the situation where an animal is needed for some purpose but requires so much water that the effort to provide the water offsets the value of having the animal there in the first place? Anything like this?
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The costly thing was obtaining the container no, not the water? no Is the container one that is commonly used for the storage or transport of water? yesish

Is the animal supposed to do some kind of work? no Is it a pet? yes Or is it an animal the people want to get somehow rid of? no

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Is drinking water for the animal the antidote referred to? yes

Other than the water that is drunk by the animal, does water play any other part in this story? only indirectly, not particularly relevant

Is the animal a beast of burden? no To be used to assist humans in some way? not this particular one

Do we have the situation where an animal is needed for some purpose but requires so much water that the effort to provide the water offsets the value of having the animal there in the first place? no Anything like this? no
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Did they do something illegal by getting, transporting or otherwise handling the water or its container? Something suspicious? Any security checks relevant?
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Did they do something illegal by getting, transporting or otherwise handling the water or its container? no Something suspicious? no Any security checks relevant? no
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First post - be gentle
Is the antidote homeopathic?
Used instead of an effective treatment, causing loss of the pet? (pets don't experience the placebo effect..)
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First post - be gentle I always am...ask anyone...well...most anyone
Is the antidote homeopathic? not really...
Used instead of an effective treatment, causing loss of the pet? (pets don't experience the placebo effect..)no
There, that was easy...probably felt like a placebo
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So to clarify, the "antidote" refers to water and nothing else, and the water is intended for no other purpose than for an animal to drink. But thirst is not an issue. All accurate so far?

So, is it relevant why the water is referred to as an "antidote?" Could you replace the word "antidote" with "prevention"? "protection"? "counteractive agent"? Or do all of these miss some essential aspect of the purpose of the water?

Would the animal have died if it had not drunk the water? Would any other death or undesirable circumstance have occured as a direct result of the lack of water? Or as a result of the animal not drinking the water? Was the animal supposed to do something important after drinking the water? That it would have been unable to do without the help of water? Or was the purpose of obtaining the water and container, even at great cost, simply to help or save a pet?
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So to clarify, the "antidote" refers to water and nothing else, and the water is intended for no other purpose than for an animal to drink. But thirst is not an issue. All accurate so far? yes

So, is it relevant why the water is referred to as an "antidote?" yesish Could you replace the word "antidote" yes with "prevention"? "protection"? "counteractive agent"? this one is best Or do all of these miss some essential aspect of the purpose of the water?

Would the animal have died if it had not drunk the water? not relevant Would any other death or undesirable circumstance have occured as a direct result of the lack of water? no Or as a result of the animal not drinking the water? no Was the animal supposed to do something important after drinking the water? no, FA lurking That it would have been unable to do without the help of water? no Or was the purpose of obtaining the water and container, even at great cost, simply to help or save a pet? no
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So the lives the antidote could have cost them, they would have been lost in the course of obtaining the water? Not due to failure to obtain the water? Is it possible to figure out why the water really cost them without knowing anything more about why they needed it?

Was this ordinary tap water? filtered water? bottled water? deionized water? polluted? well water? Were they in a region affected by drought or with an unsafe water supply? Did they live in the area where they got the water? Did they have a home with running water? If so, were they unable to just fill up a water bottle at the sink because... the water was turned off (for nonpayment of bills? a water main break? to fix the pipes?)? they literally didn't own any container in which to hold water? They didn't have a container big enough? small enough? the right shape for an animal to drink out of?
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So the lives the antidote could have cost them, they would have been lost in the course of obtaining the water? no Not due to failure to obtain the water? no Is it possible to figure out why the water really cost them without knowing anything more about why they needed it? yes

Was this ordinary tap water? yes filtered water? no bottled water? no deionized water? no polluted? no well water? no Were they in a region affected by drought or with an unsafe water supply? no Did they live in the area where they got the water? yes Did they have a home with running water? yes If so, were they unable to just fill up a water bottle at the sink because... the water was turned off (for nonpayment of bills? FA a water main break? FA to fix the pipes?)? FA they literally didn't own any container in which to hold water? FA They didn't have a container big enough? FA small enough? FA the right shape for an animal to drink out of? FA
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Is the FA that they were at home when they were trying to get the water? Did they not have time to go home for water? Could they not have gone into a public bathroom or someplace else with a sink? Or was the water perfectly accessible, but the container was not? Did they have to buy and empty out a container full of something costly?
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Is the FA that they were at home when they were trying to get the water? FA, no one was trying to get water Did they not have time to go home for water? FA Could they not have gone into a public bathroom or someplace else with a sink? They could have, but not relevant Or was the water perfectly accessible, yes but the container was not? incorrect Did they have to buy and empty out a container full of something costly? no
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RECAP:

The antidote really cost them

The cost was paid in money and time, but not lives.
The antidote was not a cure for anything and not related to a health concern.
The antidote can be ingested, but this may be misleading. The antidote can be applied topically as well, but this may also be misleading.
The antidote can be a remedy (be careful) and a quick fix (recall it is NOT related to a health concern)
There was not a cheaper alternative to the antidote.
The antidote NOT a remedy for a physical problem with people.

BLOOPER ALERT
The antidote is used to remedy a physical problem with things like cars or buildings.

In this case, the term antidote is used more liberally.
The antidote is a liquid, but can be solid or gas. Most often it occurs in liquid form.
The antidote could be considered in a metaphorical sense.
The antidote is not part of a plant, can be processed from some other biological source. It does bubble out of a hole in the ground and is often just lying around for anyone to pick up.

The antidote is not hard to get, nor does it require any significant processing.
The antidote’s chemical formula includes oxygen and hydrogen, but contains no active ingredient.
The antidote does not remedy any sort of emotional distress, such as sorrow, fear, anxiety, or depression.

The antidote is water.
The antidote does not need to be bottled at the source.
The source of the antidote is not in a desert or some other inhospitable place.

They are human adults.
The antidote was not provided by someone else.
They did not need it to get rid of poison or other disease

They are considered to be 4 (let’s say two adults and two children)
They have plenty of the antidote for all but it is only relevant that they had antidote for one other.

The one who the antidote was provided for, needed it. This question was posed related to a person which is an FA.
It is not relevant whether the recipient of the antidote actually received the antidote.
The distance between the source and the recipient is not particularly relevant.

The antidote was not directly administered, but provided and available.
The additional costs were anguish, stress and the like

Greek mythology is not related to this puzzle. Nor is Midas or any other mythological setting.

This puzzle is based on a true story

The water (antidote) is intended to be used for drinking.
The water was not from the Fountain of Youth.
There was not spring that generated to water.
The malady cured by the antidote was not:
Aging, Threat of eternal damnation, spiritual, metaphysical, drought or thirst.
The malady cured by the antidote was:
Physical and excessive heat is along the right track as well.

The antidote is not to be applied by drinking the water (recall it is NOT related to a health concern).
So applying the antidote by being immersed, swimming, taking the water somewhere else, splashing are on not applicable.

The water was not to be mixed with something else.
The temperature of the water and environment are not relevant.
The excessive cost paid was in money and not lost opportunity or excessive effort.

They did have to purchase the water. They did incur expense in getting the water. These costs were not primarily due to travel and transportation.

Just because there is talk of an antidote, doesn't mean anyone used it. The antidote referred to in the puzzle was never used to remedy anything.

No one planned to use the antidote to remedy something.
In the end there was a need to remedy something (this may lead to confusion, so tread carefully. This is a side point)
There was some other means to remedy the something that needed to be remedied in the end.

The one who gets the water is not human. There is only one such individual.
What the one gets is in fact water and nothing else.

The container for the water VERY relevant.

In fact, nobody actually got the water.

BLOOPER ALERT: We got the “they”s tangled up. Let me be clear:
The they that got the water is not human, but the they that paid dearly are human.


Once again, the word antidote is not the remedy to a human malady. The idea that water could be the antidote for a drought is along the right track.

The problem to be solved by the antidote is not the need to provide potable water

There is a single specific location on the earth that this story takes place

This is not really a historical event of any note, but rather a true story that I found interesting

There are some humans who spend money for preparations to get water and also a container for the water.

There is one non-human involved.
The non human is an animal. The animal is not used for the transport of water or as a power source for a well. The animal is not the container. The container is transportable.
The animal is not used to transport the container.
The animal is meant to drink the water.
The animal is not supposed to do some kind of work.
The animal is a pet.
The animal is not one that people want to get rid of (mostly).

The costly thing was NOT obtaining the container or the water. The container is one that is commonly used for storage of water.

The drinking water for the animal is the antidote.

Other than the water provided for the animal, water does play an indirect part in the story.
The animal is not a beast of burden.

The animal does not require so much water that the effort to provide the water offsets the value of having the animal there in the first place.

They did not do something illegal by getting, transporting or otherwise handling the water or its container. They did not do anything suspicious or anything involving security checks.

The antidote is not really homeopathic
The antidote was not used instead of an effective treatment. The pet was not lost.

The "antidote" refers to water and nothing else, and the water is intended for no other purpose than for an animal to drink. But thirst is not an issue.

One could not replace the word "antidote" with "prevention" or "protection", but could use "counteractive agent"?

The animal would not have died if it had not drunk the water. But the fact that the animal drank the water or not is not relevant.

No other death or undesirable circumstance would have occurred as a direct result of the lack of water, or as a result of the animal not drinking the water.

The animal was not supposed to do something important after drinking the water. Again, the drinking of the water by the animal is not a relevant event.

Obtaining the water and container did NOT directly produce the cost referred to in the puzzle.

The lives the antidote could have cost them, would NOT have been lost in the course of obtaining the water or the failure to obtain the water.

It is possible to figure out why the water really cost them without knowing anything more about why they needed it.

The water was ordinary tap water
The water was not filtered water, bottled water, deionized water, polluted or well water.
They were not in a region affected by drought or an unsafe water supply.
They did live in the area where they got the water.
They did have a home with running water
They were able to just fill up a water bottle at the sink.
They did not have their water was turned off.
There was no water main break or broken pipes.
They did own containers in which to hold water.
They did have a container big enough, small enough and the right shape to hold water for an animal to drink out of.

They were not trying to get water.
The water was perfectly accessible and in the container.
They did not have to buy and empty out a container full of something costly.
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That might just be the longest recap ever. Helpful, though, thanks.

Is the specific geographic location in Europe? Asia? Africa? North America? South America? Australia? Antarctica? An island?

Could the puzzle statement "the antidote really cost them" be rewritten as "the water really cost them"?

I'm really trying to avoid FAs here, so I'm going to lay out a potential chronology.

1. They are in a normal state of being, in their home, with their pet.
2. Something happens.
3. The pet needs water to drink.
4. They obtain water and a container, with the intention of giving it to the pet to drink.
5. It turns out that something (other than the pet's need for water) needs to be remedied.
6. Severe financial and temporal costs are incurred.
7. They realize there is some other way to remedy whatever it is.
8. The water is still present and unused at the end of the story.

Now then, which of these are based on FAs or stated in a way that renders them untrue? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? Which did not happen? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? Which are out of order? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? Do any of them occur simultaneously (I'm not going to type out all the possible combinations of numbers 1-8, but assume I did)? Is there any relevant event in this story not covered by this chronology? Before 1? Between 1-2? 2-3? 3-4? 5-6? 6-7? 7-8? After 8?
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Ohlala8 (Ohlala8):

That might just be the longest recap ever. Helpful, though, thanks. I am notonriously thorough

Is the specific geographic location in Europe? Asia? Africa? North America? here South America? Australia? Antarctica? An island?

Could the puzzle statement "the antidote really cost them" be rewritten as "the water really cost them"? yes

I'm really trying to avoid FAs here, so I'm going to lay out a potential chronology.

1. They are in a normal state of being yes, in their home,I think they were actually out somewhere, the place not relevant with their pet. pet was at home, I believe
2. Something happens. YES!
3. The pet needs water to drink. probably but not relevant
4. They obtain water and a container, this happened before the puzzle begins with the intention of giving it to the pet to drink. this too
the 'something happens' goes here
5. It turns out that something (other than the pet's need for water) needs to be remedied. fix the 'something'
6. Severe financial and temporal costs are incurred. yes
7. They realize there is some other way to remedy whatever it is. everyone knows how to remedy this 'something' no realization needed
8. The water is still present and unused at the end of the story. yes, but not particularly relevant

Now then, which of these are based on FAs or stated in a way that renders them untrue? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? Which did not happen? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? Which are out of order? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? Do any of them occur simultaneously (I'm not going to type out all the possible combinations of numbers 1-8, but assume I did)? Is there any relevant event in this story not covered by this chronology? Before 1? Between 1-2? 2-3? 3-4? 5-6? 6-7? 7-8? After 8?

see my comments, if you have any further questions I will address
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Very thorough indeed.

So, is the water only called an "antidote" because it would cure the pet's thirst? Do the people intend to use it for something else when they obtain it? Do they ever intend to use it for something other than pet water? DO they ever use it for anything else?

Is anything that we haven't found out yet about the pet relevant? How about the people? Are they a family? Is the relevant container a doggie bowl?

Does the costly part involve getting home to the pet? Getting the water into the container? Getting the pet to drink it? Something that happens because they have water? Because they have the container?
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North America. The U.S.? [insert LTPF list of states]? Canada? Mexico? Puerto Rico?

Okay, so obtaining the water is not part of the story, they already know they can fix the problem that arises without the help of water, and the water is never used at all. I'm running out of ways the water can be relevant, particularly as an "antidote." Do they already have what they need to fix the "something?" From now on, the "something" shall be a thingummy and what they need to fix it shall be a whatsit.

Is water needed for the synthesis of the whatsit? its use? Is the whatsit a physical object? more than one? if more than one, are they all identical? all similar in some way? Is it not physical, but rather some kind of knowledge? do they need to go somewhere? do something? obtain something? Does the water make this more difficult? easier?

Revised order:
1. Normal life, pet is fine, water is in their possession because they intend for their pet to drink it, they're off who-knows-where.
2. A thingummy
3. Thingummy averted, with the help of a whatsit, which they already knew was the correct way to handle thingummies.
4. Costs present themselves

Is this (as far as it goes) accurate?
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Gourami (Gourami):

Very thorough indeed. There are some who say I write the best recaps of anyone

So, is the water only called an "antidote" because it would cure the pet's thirst? no Do the people intend to use it for something else when they obtain it? not that particular water, no Do they ever intend to use it for something other than pet water? not that particular water, no DO they ever use it for anything else? not that particular water, no

Is anything that we haven't found out yet about the pet relevant? the pet specifically, no How about the people? Are they a family? yes Is the relevant container a doggie bowl? yes

Does the costly part involve getting home to the pet? no Getting the water into the container? no Getting the pet to drink it? no Something that happens because they have water? rephrase Because they have the container? yes

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North America. The U.S.? [insert LTPF list of states]? Canada? Mexico? Puerto Rico? Washington state, I believe, but this line of questioning has no relevance

Okay, so obtaining the water is not part of the story, they already know they can fix the problem that arises yes without the help of water, yes, but they likely used water anyway and the water is never used at all. the water in the pet's bowl, no I'm running out of ways the water can be relevant, particularly as an "antidote." Do they already have what they need to fix the "something?" the what they need is available, yes From now on, the "something" shall be a thingummy and what they need to fix it shall be a whatsit.

Is water needed for the synthesis of the whatsit? not necessary, but most commonly, yes its use? no Is the whatsit a physical object? yesish more than one? yope if more than one, are they all identical? yesish all similar in some way? Is it not physical, but rather some kind of knowledge? no do they need to go somewhere? no do something? yes obtain something? they might obtain assistance...most people do Does the water make this more difficult? easier? the water in the pet's bowl? not more difficult, no

Revised order:
1. Normal life, pet is fine, water is in their possession because they intend for their pet to drink it, they're off who-knows-where.
2. A thingummy
3. Thingummy averted, with the help of a whatsit, which they already knew was the correct way to handle thingummies. but the thingummy had already done significant damage at this point
4. Costs present themselves they knew about the costs as soon as they were aware of the thingummy

Is this (as far as it goes) accurate?yes
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Is the thingummy a fire, by any chance? Relevant where they were when they encountered the thingummy? Were the costs related to averting the thingummy? Fixing the damage it had done? Obtaining the whatsit? Was the damage the thingummy did, in and of itself, the cost? (e.g. you might incur some costs stopping a fire, but the main cost is that it destroys valuable items)

Did they have any hand in causing the thingummy? Was the cost of the antidote that it caused the thingummy? Relevant where they were when they encountered the thingummy? What they were doing right before it occurred?

You keep referring to the water in the pet's bowl, but I thought we'd established that the water in the pet's bowl is the antidote, and that the other water in the story only plays a small role. So is the whatsit composed partly of water? Is the thingummy water-related? And the container that is very relevant, that's the bowl, n'est-ce pas? Does it matter what the bowl is made out of? if so, metal? plastic? wood? If the water had been in any other container, would it still have really cost them?
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Is the thingummy a fire, by any chance? yes Relevant where they were when they encountered the thingummy? no, not really Were the costs related to averting the thingummy? no Fixing the damage it had done? yes Obtaining the whatsit? no Was the damage the thingummy did, in and of itself, the cost? yes (e.g. you might incur some costs stopping a fire, but the main cost is that it destroys valuable items) Like walls and carpet,yes

Did they have any hand in causing the thingummy? yope Was the cost of the antidote that it caused the thingummy? yes Relevant where they were when they encountered the thingummy? no What they were doing right before it occurred? no

You keep referring to the water in the pet's bowl, but I thought we'd established that the water in the pet's bowl is the antidote yes, it is a sample of the antidote, and that the other water in the story only plays a small role. So is the whatsit composed partly of water? completely Is the thingummy water-related? see above And the container that is very relevant, that's the bowl, n'est-ce pas? yes Does it matter what the bowl is made out of? yes if so, metal? plastic? wood? none of these If the water had been in any other container, would it still have really cost them? not enough information to say
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Wow, I can't believe nobody asked about fire before now.

Dog bowl= glass? ceramic? breakable? flammable? decorated/painted?

Whatsit= a fire extinguisher? Or, since it's composed completely of water, that foamy stuff inside of fire extinguishers? Did they try to pour the water from the dog bowl on the fire? And that just made it worse? Was the fire outdoors? consuming an entire house? or building? contained within one floor? A few rooms? One room? A small part of one room?

The water in some way caused this fire? Any chemical reaction involved? When it caused the fire, was it in liquid form? ice? vapor? slush? foam? Did the same water that caused the fire also put it out? The water in the dog's bowl in both cases? Did the water in the dog's bowl have something dissolved in it? And if it's different water, same question for the water that caused the fire and put out the fire.
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Wow, I can't believe nobody asked about fire before now. Me neither

Dog bowl= glass? this one ceramic? breakable? yes flammable? no decorated/painted? no

Whatsit= a fire extinguisher? Or, since it's composed completely of water, this one that foamy stuff inside of fire extinguishers? Did they try to pour the water from the dog bowl on the fire? no And that just made it worse? Was the fire outdoors? yope consuming an entire house? some or building? contained within one floor? no A few rooms? One room? A small part of one room? let's say a large portion of the house

The water in some way caused this fire? yes Any chemical reaction involved? fire is a chemical reaction When it caused the fire, was it in liquid form? yes ice? vapor? slush? foam? Did the same water that caused the fire also put it out? no The water in the dog's bowl in both cases? Did the water in the dog's bowl have something dissolved in it? no And if it's different water, same question for the water that caused the fire and put out the fire.no
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So, the water that started the fire: the water in the dog's bowl? If so, was this related to the fact that it was just sitting out? That it was on the floor? Had the glass contaminated the water? Had the water damaged or chemically altered the glass? Did the glass catch fire? Evaporation relevant? If other water started the fire, was it in a container? in the sink? still in the pipes? Rust relevant? Evaporation? Impurities?

Did a reaction from the water spontaneously cause a flame? Or was there already a spark that the water allowed to spread? If the latter, from an appliance? Electricity? Candles? Something that is, in the normal course of things, sometimes on fire?

The water that put out the fire: The water in the dog's bowl? If not, does it matter where they got it from? Or does it work if you say they just ran outside, grabbed the hose, and quenched the fire? Did they call the fire department?
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Did the glass bowl break at any point? If so, before the fire? Immediately before? During? Immediately after?
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Ohlala8 (Ohlala8):

So, the water that started the fire:yes the water in the dog's bowl? yes If so, was this related to the fact that it was just sitting out? yes That it was on the floor? FA Had the glass contaminated the water? no Had the water damaged or chemically altered the glass? no Did the glass catch fire? no Evaporation relevant? no If other water started the fire, no was it in a container? in the sink? still in the pipes? Rust relevant? Evaporation? Impurities? see above

Did a reaction from the water spontaneously cause a flame? yesish Or was there already a spark that the water allowed to spread? no If the latter, from an appliance? Electricity? Candles? Something that is, in the normal course of things, sometimes on fire? see above

The water that put out the fire: The water in the dog's bowl? no If not, does it matter where they got it from? not really, let's say the firetruck Or does it work if you say they just ran outside, grabbed the hose, and quenched the fire? no Did they call the fire department? yes

Did the glass bowl break at any point? no If so, before the fire? Immediately before? During? Immediately after? see above
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So the bowl wasn't on the floor? Was it on a counter? A table? A windowsill? Ooh, is the transparency of the glass relevant? Like if it did the magnifying glass thing to focus the sun?
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Ohlala8 (Ohlala8):

So the bowl wasn't on the floor? Was it on a counter? A table? A windowsill? no to all Ooh, is the transparency of the glass relevant? yes Like if it did the magnifying glass thing to focus the sun? correct

Now, where was the bowl?
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Well, I assume that it was directly in between the sun and something flammable. Was it on top of something else made of glass? Was the sun shining up through the bottom? Down through the surface of the water? Directly horizontal? At an angle? Are there multiple refractions of light involved, along the lines of the sun shining through a skylight, off a mirror, and through a bowl of water, getting stronger at each juncture? Does it matter what exactly it lit on fire?
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Ohlala8 (Ohlala8):

Well, I assume that it was directly in between the sun and something flammable. Was it on top of something else made of glass? no Was the sun shining up through the bottom? no...although that would be a neat trick Down through the surface of the water? yes Directly horizontal? At an angle? this one Are there multiple refractions of light involved, along the lines of the sun shining through a skylight, off a mirror, and through a bowl of water, getting stronger at each juncture? no Does it matter what exactly it lit on fire? yes
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Relevant which room it's in? If so, kitchen? Bedroom? Living room? Family room? Attic? Basement? Bathroom? Laundry room? Other specialized room, like a billiards room?

Is the thing that was lit on fire made of paper? wax? wood? cardboard? cloth/fabric? sponge? Is it something that most people have in their homes? Relevant how far it was from the bowl? Is it somehow related to the dog bowl (like another dog accessory, or something they were using to fill the bowl)? Was the dog bowl in a place where the dog would be able to drink from it?
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Relevant which room it's in? FA If so, kitchen? Bedroom? Living room? Family room? Attic? Basement? Bathroom? Laundry room? Other specialized room, like a billiards room? see above

Is the thing that was lit on fire made of paper? wax? wood? this one cardboard? cloth/fabric? sponge? Is it something that most people have in their homes? no Relevant how far it was from the bowl? yesish Is it somehow related to the dog bowl (like another dog accessory, or something they were using to fill the bowl)? no Was the dog bowl in a place where the dog would be able to drink from it? yes
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Was it outdoors? in the yard? on a patio? a deck?
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Was it outdoors? in the yard? on a patio? a deck? ding ding ding
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********* SPOILER *******

This puzzle is based on a true story in which a dog's glass water bowl acted like a maginfying glass focusing the sun's rays and starting the owner's deck on fire. The deck and the back of the house were severly damaged to the tune over US $200,000. Thanks for all the great work!


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104335959
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Wow, that one took some work to solve. Great puzzle!
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Wow, I remember hearing that story and I still didn't get it. Good puzzle.

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