| Author | Message | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 151 Registered: 3-2009 |
A man walks into a restaurant, orders albatross, eats one bite, and kills himself. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1908 Registered: 1-2007 |
Oh Goody a version of a classic. Has this puzzle a totally different solution to the classic or have you just added some nuance ( a bit like i did with my "Stop me if you've heard this " puzzle) In other words has the man been on a deserted island eaten what he thought was albatross and then when tasting it years later realises that he had in fact been eating the body of his son/wife depending on which version you read and this is the reason he kills himself? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 152 Registered: 3-2009 |
Oh Goody a version of a classic. Glad you were the first poster Peter! Was afraid I would have had to explain the concept again! :D Has this puzzle a totally different solution to the classic or have you just added some nuance ( a bit like i did with my "Stop me if you've heard this " puzzle) Yes, this is a totally different solution. In other words has the man been on a deserted island eaten what he thought was albatross and then when tasting it years later realises that he had in fact been eating the body of his son/wife depending on which version you read and this is the reason he kills himself? Nope, new solution :-) | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 228 Registered: 5-2009 |
Oooohh.. pretty puzzle. Can the albatross be substituted with chicken? Is he H/A/M? Does the taste of the albatross concern him? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 153 Registered: 3-2009 |
Oooohh.. pretty puzzle. Can the albatross be substituted with chicken? Not in these circumstances. Is he H/A/M? Yes to all. Does the taste of the albatross concern him? Noish | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1909 Registered: 1-2007 |
Cool I love these alternative classics. Had he ever actually tasted Albatross before? Was the purpose of his eating it on this occasion to establish whether he'd eaten it before? Has he a particular affinity for Albatrosses or birds in general? Any other relevant people ? crimes? professions? hobbies? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 154 Registered: 3-2009 |
Cool I love these alternative classics. Me too! These questions are good, but tough to answer. I'll do my best. Had he ever actually tasted Albatross before? No Was the purpose of his eating it on this occasion to establish whether he'd eaten it before? No, but... Has he a particular affinity for Albatrosses or birds in general? Yes for svv of affinity, Good question! Any other relevant people ? Yes crimes? Yope professions? Yesish hobbies? Noish This might be quicker than I thought... | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 232 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does this relate to the classic puzzle at all? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 155 Registered: 3-2009 |
Does this relate to the classic puzzle at all? Like I said, it's a different solution. | ||
| Anneja (Anneja)
New member Username: Anneja Post Number: 31 Registered: 5-2009 |
did he know he was eating albatross? | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 242 Registered: 5-2009 |
There are some alternative classics where the same character is used. I.E.: The man is from the classic puzzle. Enraged at how he is turned into a joke for enjoyment, he kills himself. Albatross irrelevant. Is he an ornithologist? Is he a vegetarian / strictly against eating birds? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 157 Registered: 3-2009 |
did he know he was eating albatross? Yes, explore There are some alternative classics where the same character is used. I.E.: The man is from the classic puzzle. Enraged at how he is turned into a joke for enjoyment, he kills himself. Albatross irrelevant. Oh you mean does this relate to classics/ alternate classics in general. No. Is he an ornithologist? No, but OTRT Is he a vegetarian / strictly against eating birds? Not birds in general, but... Getting there... | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1910 Registered: 1-2007 |
Would his eating albatross make him seem hypocritical in some sense? In other words it would contravene something he stands for? Is he just a nature lover or conservationist? Any superstitions relevant? He's not the Ancient Mariner by any chance? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1023 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is he an environmentalist? A bird lover? Does he study albatross? Did he actually order "albatross," or did he order something else that turned out to be albatross (ie, "Gimme the seafood special")? Did he want to eat albatross? Did he expect to eat something else? Had he forever sworn off eating albatross? Does he have any relation to the man in the original puzzle at all? Is a bet involved? Magic? Is this an ordinary man in our ordinary world? Is the time period relevant? The location? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 158 Registered: 3-2009 |
Would his eating albatross make him seem hypocritical in some sense? Possibly! In other words it would contravene something he stands for? Yes Is he just a nature lover or conservationist? Yope Any superstitions relevant? No He's not the Ancient Mariner by any chance? Nope Is he an environmentalist? Yope A bird lover? Noish Does he study albatross? Yope Did he actually order "albatross," Yes or did he order something else that turned out to be albatross (ie, "Gimme the seafood special")? Did he want to eat albatross? No, good question! Did he expect to eat something else? Yes! The sequence of questions has really nailed this one :-) Had he forever sworn off eating albatross? Not this though Does he have any relation to the man in the original puzzle at all? None at all Is a bet involved? No Magic? No Is this an ordinary man in our ordinary world?Yope Is the time period relevant? YES The location? Noish These questions should really get this one in the bag soon! | ||
| Anneja (Anneja)
New member Username: Anneja Post Number: 34 Registered: 5-2009 |
so he ordered albatross but didn't want to eat it? did he order it for someone else? did he want it for something else? did eating it mean he couldn't do something important with it? | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 273 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does he know that he's in a restaurant? "Eats one bite"-- does this still refer to the albatross? Is he looking for an albatross? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 159 Registered: 3-2009 |
so he ordered albatross but didn't want to eat it? Yes, that's true. did he order it for someone else? No, nice thought though. did he want it for something else? No did eating it mean he couldn't do something important with it? No, but vaguely OTRT Does he know that he's in a restaurant? Yes "Eats one bite"-- does this still refer to the albatross? Yes Is he looking for an albatross? Noish | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1031 Registered: 5-2003 |
When he ordered albatross was he expecting something else? Did he ask in a foreign language and bungle the request? Did he misinterpret the menu? LTPF list of centuries? Is a crime involved? Did he intend not to eat the albatross? If so, was taking a bite of the albatross a mistake on his part? Is his profession relevant? Are the waiter, the cook, or any of the restaurant staff relevant? Anyone else relevant? Is the death of anyone besides him relevant? Does he consider it immoral to eat albatross? For religious reasons, perhaps? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 160 Registered: 3-2009 |
When he ordered albatross was he expecting something else? Yes, for svv of expecting Did he ask in a foreign language and bungle the request? No Did he misinterpret the menu? No LTPF list of centuries? 21st Is a crime involved? Yope Did he intend not to eat the albatross? YOPE If so, was taking a bite of the albatross a mistake on his part? NO Is his profession relevant? No, but... Are the waiter, the cook, or any of the restaurant staff relevant? Yes! Anyone else relevant? Yes Is the death of anyone besides him relevant? YES Does he consider it immoral to eat albatross? Possibly, but more than immoral, ... For religious reasons, perhaps? IRR | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1039 Registered: 5-2003 |
"When he ordered albatross was he expecting something else? Yes, for svv of expecting" -- but not for svv of "something else"? Did he intend to take a bite of the albatross then spit it out? To swallow it but expel it later (perhaps he was bulimic)? Was he tricked, compelled, or driven to commit suicide? Could his death be considered a murder for svv of murder? Am I correct in thinking that all of the following are involved -- - Him (let's call him Bob) - one or more members of the restaurant staff - one or more other persons? Is the entire restaurant staff involved? Or just 1+ waiter(s)? 1+ cooks(s)? 1+ other staff? Is one non-restaurant person involved? More than one? Are any of the above people directly known to Bob? Has he spoken to them within the last few seconds? Minutes? Hours? Are they trying to kill him? To do something illegal to him? Immoral? Is he trying to do any of the above to them? Was he trying to cheat the restaurant? Perhaps by taking a bite of the albatross, complaining, and getting his money back? Does he consider it evil to eat albatross? Is he so Greenpeace-y that he wants to shut down the restaurant because it serves endangered species or something else he considers wrong? Did Bob intend to kill himself before entering the restaurant? Before ordering his food? Before taking the first bite? Did he realize something as he ate? Did he have an epiphany? Was he overcome with remorse? Sorrow? Fear? Was he trying to escape prosecution for something? Does anyone else beside him die in the restaurant? Sometime before the incident? Sometime after it? During it but not in the restaurant? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 161 Registered: 3-2009 |
"When he ordered albatross was he expecting something else? Yes, for svv of expecting" -- but not for svv of "something else"? No, he was *svv of expecting* something else. Did he intend to take a bite of the albatross then spit it out? No To swallow it but expel it later (perhaps he was bulimic)? LoL, No Was he tricked, compelled, or driven to commit suicide? No Could his death be considered a murder for svv of murder? Not at all Am I correct in thinking that all of the following are involved -- - Him (let's call him Bob) Sure - one or more members of the restaurant staff Yes - one or more other persons? Yes Is the entire restaurant staff involved? Possibly Or just 1+ waiter(s)? 1+ cooks(s)? 1+ other staff? IRR Is one non-restaurant person involved? Yes More than one? Are any of the above people directly known to Bob? Yes Has he spoken to them within the last few seconds? Minutes? Hours? This Are they trying to kill him? No To do something illegal to him? Immoral? Is he trying to do any of the above to them? No to all Was he trying to cheat the restaurant? Yes with a tiny ish Perhaps by taking a bite of the albatross, complaining, and getting his money back? Not this though Does he consider it evil to eat albatross? Possibly, IRR Is he so Greenpeace-y that he wants to shut down the restaurant because it serves endangered species or something else he considers wrong? No, but you hit on something very important! Did Bob intend to kill himself before entering the restaurant? Before ordering his food? Before taking the first bite? No to all Did he realize something as he ate? YES Did he have an epiphany? I wouldn't call it that, it was simply a realisation of a fact. as he overcome with remorse? Sorrow? This. Fear? Probably this as well, in a way. Was he trying to escape prosecution for something? No Does anyone else beside him die in the restaurant? Not in it, but... Sometime before the incident? This, but not exactly IN the restaurant. Sometime after it? During it but not in the restaurant? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1911 Registered: 1-2007 |
Did he think he was allergic to Albatross? Did he like the taste of it? Was he hoping to sue the restaurant? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 162 Registered: 3-2009 |
Did he think he was allergic to Albatross? Did he like the taste of it? Was he hoping to sue the restaurant? No to all. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1041 Registered: 5-2003 |
Had he eaten actual albatross before? Was he under the (correct?) impression he was eating human flesh? The flesh of something not an albatross? Does he suspect that the restaurant has served him his dead brother or something? Was his thought: "Hey, this isn't albatross!" "Waitaminute, this IS albatross..." "This tastes like... oh no." "So that's what happened!" He is trying (ish) to cheat the restaurant but he is doing nothing illegal or moral? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 163 Registered: 3-2009 |
Had he eaten actual albatross before? No Was he under the (correct?) impression he was eating human flesh? No The flesh of something not an albatross? No Does he suspect that the restaurant has served him his dead brother or something? No Was his thought: "Hey, this isn't albatross!" "Waitaminute, this IS albatross..." This! "This tastes like... oh no." "So that's what happened!" And subsequently this... He is trying (ish) to cheat the restaurant but he is doing nothing illegal or moral? Yope | ||
| Anneja (Anneja)
New member Username: Anneja Post Number: 39 Registered: 5-2009 |
had he ordered albatross from the restraunt before? did he not think it was actually albatross? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 164 Registered: 3-2009 |
had he ordered albatross from the restraunt before? No did he not think it was actually albatross? Yes for svv of "think" | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 307 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is he a critic? Did he order albatross as a joke? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 165 Registered: 3-2009 |
Is he a critic? Did he order albatross as a joke? No to both. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1047 Registered: 5-2003 |
Someone died before this incident, not "exactly in" the restaurant. How long before Bob took his first bite of albatross had the death occurred -- seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? More? Did Bob know the person(s) who had died? How many died? One, two, three, more? Is the location of their deaths relevant? Did they die in the restaurant parking lot? In an accident that Bob witnessed through the window as he took his first bite? Re: the other death(s): Criminal or accidental? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 172 Registered: 3-2009 |
Someone died before this incident, not "exactly in" the restaurant. How long before Bob took his first bite of albatross had the death occurred -- seconds? Minutes? Hours? About an hour sounds right Days? Weeks? Months? Years? More? Did Bob know the person(s) who had died? Yes How many died? One,This two, three, more? Is the location of their deaths relevant? Sort of Did they die in the restaurant parking lot? Close In an accident that Bob witnessed through the window as he took his first bite? HINT: He didn't witness it. Re: the other death(s): Criminal or accidental? Neither, and both, actually! | ||
| Anneja (Anneja)
New member Username: Anneja Post Number: 45 Registered: 5-2009 |
were the other deaths manslaughter? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1054 Registered: 5-2003 |
When he ordered albatross, did he intend to eat the whole thing? Does it have to be albatross -- could it just as well have been steak? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 173 Registered: 3-2009 |
were the other deaths manslaughter? No, so what's left? When he ordered albatross, did he intend to eat the whole thing? No Does it have to be albatross -- could it just as well have been steak? You mean could he have ordered steak? No. | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 80 Registered: 3-2009 |
He had never tasted albatross before but was somehow able to discern that "Hey, this is albatross" after one bite, correct? Is this important? Was he clued in by the taste? Did he expect it to taste like something he recognized? Did he expect it not to be albatross? Did he think that the restaurant was substituting something for the albatross? Cannibalism relavent? Was it due to grief over the loss of a loved one? Is it important who died? Was he involved in the death? Did he cause the death? Directly? Indirectly? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 174 Registered: 3-2009 |
He had never tasted albatross before but was somehow able to discern that "Hey, this is albatross" after one bite, correct? Perfect Is this important? That he realised this - yes, how he realised this - no Was he clued in by the taste? Yes Did he expect it to taste like something he recognized? YES Did he expect it not to be albatross? YES Did he think that the restaurant was substituting something for the albatross? Not think, and i'll give it away coz your questions have been great... he HOPED... Cannibalism relavent? No Was it due to grief over the loss of a loved one? No Is it important who died? A bit Was he involved in the death? Noish Did he cause the death? Directly? Indirectly? No to all | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1072 Registered: 5-2003 |
Had he eaten what he thought was albatross before? Or had he eaten something CALLED albatross, which he knew wasn't really? Does he have a scrund about albatross? Was he thinking, "Oh, so THIS is albatross?" Were the deaths unlawful? Justifiable? Suicide? Did he witness them? Hear them? Just checking - does this have anything to do with a Monty Python sketch? Anything religious relevant? | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 109 Registered: 3-2009 |
He hoped they were substituting something else, correct? Does it matter what that was? Or just that it was something else that he would recognize the taste of? In effect, he was expecting them to be lying about the albatross, but they weren't? Does this convince him that they are telling the truth about something else he would prefer to be not true? Was he told of the death by the restaurant and initially thought it untrue? It sounds like there might be a relatively elaborate narrative involved with this story, correct? Would any of the characters be considered unusual or eccentric? Do we need to know anything about albatrosses to solve? For example, that they are sea birds, or that they can soar hundreds of miles without flapping? He has an affinity for albatrosses -- is it only albatrosses, or are his interests broader? Are all characters sane? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 712 Registered: 8-2005 |
Is the location of the restaurant relevant? | ||
| Yabblesmacker (Yabblesmacker)
New member Username: Yabblesmacker Post Number: 46 Registered: 4-2009 |
Does it take place in the future? Is the albatross in this time period an endangered species? Did he realise that the albatross he ate must have been the last albatross and that the restaurant had wiped out the albatross species? Is the "dead person" an albatross? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 176 Registered: 3-2009 |
Had he eaten what he thought was albatross before? FA Or had he eaten something CALLED albatross, which he knew wasn't really? No Does he have a scrund about albatross? No Was he thinking, "Oh, so THIS is albatross?" No Were the deaths unlawful? Yes Justifiable? Yope Suicide? No Did he witness them? Hear them? Neither Just checking - does this have anything to do with a Monty Python sketch? Not that I know of :-) Anything religious relevant? No He hoped they were substituting something else, correct? He hoped that they were substituting albatross with something else - Yes Does it matter what that was? Not particularly, except for one obvious fact about it... Or just that it was something else that he would recognize the taste of? Exactly In effect, he was expecting them to be lying about the albatross, but they weren't? No Does this convince him that they are telling the truth about something else he would prefer to be not true? No, Good try Was he told of the death by the restaurant and initially thought it untrue? No It sounds like there might be a relatively elaborate narrative involved with this story, correct? Depends on what you are comparing it with. I don't think it's all that much more elaborate than the original solution. Would any of the characters be considered unusual or eccentric? No Do we need to know anything about albatrosses to solve? Yesish For example, that they are sea birds, or that they can soar hundreds of miles without flapping? Just one fact about them that needs to be uncovered... He has an affinity for albatrosses -- is it only albatrosses, or are his interests broader? Well yes, in a way Are all characters sane? Yes Is the location of the restaurant relevant? Yope Does it take place in the future? YES! Eureka :-D Is the albatross in this time period an endangered species? Endangered to near extinction! Did he realise that the albatross he ate must have been the last albatross and that the restaurant had wiped out the albatross species? YES!! Is the "dead person" an albatross? But no Brilliant leap there... Care to finish this off? | ||
| Yabblesmacker (Yabblesmacker)
New member Username: Yabblesmacker Post Number: 47 Registered: 4-2009 |
Wow! That was a total guess! I still can't work out the ins and outs though! Is the person who died the owner of the last albatross? Was he somehow trying to stop the restaurant wiping out the species? | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 113 Registered: 3-2009 |
By the time I would have figured that out, we would BE in the future. I guess that's why it's called lateral thinking, not linear thinking. | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 178 Registered: 3-2009 |
Wow! That was a total guess! And a brilliant one at that :-) I still can't work out the ins and outs though! You're close enough for me to spoil to be honest Is the person who died the owner of the last albatross? Was he somehow trying to stop the restaurant wiping out the species? *****SPOILER****** Bob and his friend Kurt are humans from the year 2030 when albatross are virtually extinct. They learn of a group of the last known specimens. These had been captured from a sanctuary to serve as an exotic dish for connoisseurs with deep pockets and no ethics. Bob and Kurt have learned that if these albatross are allowed to perish, the butterfly effect of this could wipe out an entire eco-system and lead to a quick end to life on earth as it is (will be?). So in a desperate attempt to save the albatross, they contact a cook in the restaurant and beg him to switch the albatross with chicken, and release them. Kurt goes into the back-entrance of the restaurant to make the switch. However he is spotted by one of the security guards (turns out it was owned by the Mafia) and is killed. Rob who is waiting nearby with an exit vehicle decides to check on what is happening. He goes into the restaurant and sees the special "The Last Albatross". To confirm that the switch had been made, he orders the albatross, hoping it to taste like chicken, which it sadly does not. Convinced that Kurt has failed, and that the earth is doomed - he walks out and kills himself. Probably one of the more elaborate ones, but heck, laterality prevails :-) Thanks for playing along mates! | ||
| Yabblesmacker (Yabblesmacker)
New member Username: Yabblesmacker Post Number: 69 Registered: 4-2009 |
That's a good one, I do like alternative versions of classics! I would have kept us guessing for longer though, I had no idea about the whole eco-system bit! So yeah quite elaborate but sometimes they're the best ones :P |
