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Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 10:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He bought the land, for reasons only a guy could appreciate

This is a true story that happened in the last 20 years in Texas. There are no semantic twists. He is a human adult male. The land is real estate, which he purchased with his own money. The story could have happened in any state.

The Men Drinking title and "for reasons only a guy could appreciate" phrase are not central to the story, but are there only to clue you in to the general tone of the story - likely, men will laugh and women will roll their eyes, although there is nothing vulgar or off-color about this G-rated story. It is the second installment in my series about the absurd lengths that men will go to in the pursuit of their interests.

The story is very simple and can be told in just a couple of sentences. That being said, I am curious to see what line of lateral questioning can be used to crack the story.

I'm going to limit my answers to questions about the story itself, and not "meta-questions" that could lead to googling, e.g., how I heard the story, what town in Texas, etc.

Please do not spoil early if you think you have heard the story. I do not want to deprive anyone the satisfaction of making the lateral connection. If you think you've heard the story, please e-mail me directly.
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Does it have to do with his hobbies? Other interests? Sports? Anything to do with the terrain? Is it urban or rural? Are there any buildings or other indications of human presence on the terrain?
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Does it have to do with the presence of any some of material that is important to him or others? like water? oil? prime undeveloped land? old mines?

Is the plot of land within a city? right outside the city? a distance greater than 10 miles from a city?

was the guy rich?

Did he buy the land for sentimental reasons i.e in remembrance for a friend or family member?

can any guy appreciate the land ? or a group specific of guys? ocupation relavent?

is what to be appreciated natrual or man-made?

is the size of a car? a house?
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Does it have to do with his hobbies? No Other interests? Yes Sports? No Anything to do with the terrain? No Is it urban or rural? Rural Are there any buildings or other indications of human presence on the terrain? No

Does it have to do with the presence of any some of material that is important to him or others? No like water? No oil? No prime undeveloped land? Just undeveloped land old mines? No

Is the plot of land within a city? No right outside the city? It was in the country, but the distance from the city is irrelevent a distance greater than 10 miles from a city? See above

was the guy rich? Well enough off to be able to buy the land for cash, but not filthy rich

Did he buy the land for sentimental reasons i.e in remembrance for a friend or family member? No

can any guy appreciate the land ? FA - Many guys would appreciate the reason he bought the land, not the land itself or a group specific of guys? No ocupation relavent? No

is what to be appreciated natrual or man-made? FA, hard to answer given that what would be appreciated about the land is the reason for its purchase, not the land itself. Please rephrase given the clarification

is the size of a car? FA a house? FA
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Is the view from the land important?

Is its exact location important?

Does this have anything to do with men drinking?

Did he intend to put anything onto the land after he bought it?

Did he use the land?

Did he visit the land?

Did other people visit the land?

Did owning the land bring him pleasure? money? satisfaction? companionship? revenge? amusement?

Did he buy it to prevent someone else getting it?
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So he is not particularly interested in the land itself? To get the same effect he intends by purchasing the land, could he instead have purchased a house? A car? A yacht? Is the amount he spent relevant?
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Is the view from the land important? No

Is its exact location important? Yes

Does this have anything to do with men drinking? Only to the extent that beer may have been present when he came up with the whole idea. Alchohol seems to aid men in their lateral thinking.

Did he intend to put anything onto the land after he bought it? Yes

Did he use the land? Yes

Did he visit the land? Yes

Did other people visit the land? Yes

Did owning the land bring him pleasure? Yes money? No satisfaction? Yes companionship? No revenge? No amusement? Yes

Did he buy it to prevent someone else getting it? No

So he is not particularly interested in the land itself? Yes & No To get the same effect he intends by purchasing the land, could he instead have purchased a house? No A car? No A yacht? No Is the amount he spent relevant? No
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G rated, so no playboy right?

Is its name something like "guy land" "big Dick lake" etc? Is the shape of the parcel relevant?

Does this have to do with setting up a border patrol? Anything to do with Mexico? The lands proximity to other states?

Was he going to resell the land? Is his ethnicity relevant? his religion?

Any historical events relevant? some other famous activity that took place there - if so is it a repetitive activity (ie annually) or something that only happened once?
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G rated, so no playboy right? Correct

Is its name something like "guy land" "big Dick lake" etc? No -- there's no name to it
Is the shape of the parcel relevant? No


Does this have to do with setting up a border patrol? No
Anything to do with Mexico? No
The lands proximity to other states? No


Was he going to resell the land? No
Is his ethnicity relevant? No
his religion? No

Any historical events relevant? No
some other famous activity that took place there No
- if so is it a repetitive activity (ie annually) Irrel
or something that only happened once? Irrel
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The size of the land he purchased relevant?
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As a human of the female variety, will I therefore find it harder to get the answer? Or will it simply cause me to say "*sigh* men..." afterwards?

As to the actual puzzle...
Did he take other people to visit the land? Male friends? Girlfriends?
Did he intend to build a house there? Set up a farm?
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The size of the land he purchased relevant? It was -- the size was 80 acres

As a human of the female variety, will I therefore find it harder to get the answer? I don't think so -- as long as you keep in mind that the choices made by beer-swilling men would not necessarily be the ones you might make Or will it simply cause me to say "*sigh* men..." afterwards? More like this

As to the actual puzzle...
Did he take other people to visit the land? At least one other Male friends? Yes Girlfriends? No
Did he intend to build a house there? No
Set up a farm? No
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Would a land smaller than 80 acres work just as well for the purposes of this puzzle? How about land larger than 80 acres?

Any prior purchase of another piece of land relevant to this puzzle? If yes, was the purchase made by our beer-swilling hero? By someone else? If someone else, was it a man? a woman? Relevant?
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Was it just so he could say he had more land than his friends?
Any bets relevant?
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Was he drunk when he bought the land? When he promised to buy it?
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Would a land smaller than 80 acres work just as well for the purposes of this puzzle? No -- it couldn't be much smaller How about land larger than 80 acres? Yes

Any prior purchase of another piece of land relevant to this puzzle? Yes If yes, was the purchase made by our beer-swilling hero? Yes By someone else? No If someone else, was it a man? Irr a woman? Irr Relevant? No

Was it just so he could say he had more land than his friends? No
Any bets relevant? No

Was he drunk when he bought the land? No
When he promised to buy it? No

I don't want to mislead on the whole beer drinking thing -- it's really more for comic effect to make the point that men tend to come up with crazy ideas when they are drinking. He may not have been drinking when he made the decision -- what's important to remember is that the idea is crazy enough that he could have been drinking
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Did he buy it so no one named Dave could be on the land?

Does the land provide access to other land? does he want to block this access/charge for it/etc?
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Did he buy it so no one named Dave could be on the land? Nope -- no connection to my forum name

Does the land provide access to other land? No does he want to block this access/charge for it/etc? No
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How many prior purchases of land by our hero is relevant to this puzzle [insert LTPF list of integers here]?
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How many prior purchases of land by our hero is relevant to this puzzle [insert LTPF list of integers here]? 1
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Was it land near a protected area? And the man wanted it to claim he had a farm, that he wasn't farming to get paid from the state? (aside: now wondering if hay is one of the crops you can get aid for not using any pesticides or fertilizers on, since it is just overgrown grass)

Was it to lease mineral rights? anythingat all to do with making a profit?

Are any of the following relevant: hunting? fishing? camping? ranching? crops? state parks? To incorporate a town, township or borough?
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Was it land near a protected area? No And the man wanted it to claim he had a farm, that he wasn't farming to get paid from the state? No

Was it to lease mineral rights? No anythingat all to do with making a profit? No

Are any of the following relevant: hunting? No fishing? No camping? No ranching? No crops? No state parks? No To incorporate a town, township or borough? No
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Correction !! Bonehead move !!

I was just rereading my responses to previous questions and I realize I gave a wrong answer --


Does it have to do with his hobbies? Yes

Sorry for the bum steer!
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The land the guy purchased before: is it adjacent to the land in question? Bigger than the land in question? Smaller? Did he buy it for a similar reason?

Hobbies are relevand. A single hobby? Does he use the land in question for his hobbies? The land he purchased before?
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The land the guy purchased before: is it adjacent to the land in question? Yes Bigger than the land in question? Not known but irrelevant Smaller? Not known but irrelevant Did he buy it for a similar reason? No

Hobbies are relevand. A single hobby? Yes Does he use the land in question for his hobbies? Yes The land he purchased before? Yes
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Does he use both pieces of land for the same hobby?

Did he buy the land he purchased before primarily for his hobby? The land in question?

Is the hobby itself something many people would consider quite strange?

Is the hobby somehow related to weapons? cars? other machines? animals? electronic devices? fire? uniforms? fighting? history?
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Is the terrain relevant? Does the hobby require him to build something? To move around?
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Markobr:

Does he use both pieces of land for the same hobby? Yes

Did he buy the land he purchased before primarily for his hobby? No The land in question? Yes

Is the hobby itself something many people would consider quite strange? Yes, with the possible exception of guys

Is the hobby somehow related to weapons? Yes cars? Yes other machines? No animals? No electronic devices? No fire? No uniforms? No fighting? Yes history? Yes

Jen -- your first question was about hobbies, which I answered incorrectly -- sorry about that!

Is the terrain relevant? No Does the hobby require him to build something? Yes To move around? No
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Does the hobby involve driving cars? Are these cars armed? Are the cars targets?

Related to history? Military history? Technical history? 20th century?

Building something: Is building something part of the hobby itself? Or is building something just required so one can use the something for the hobby?
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Does the hobby involve driving cars? Are these cars armed? Are the cars targets? No to all

Related to history? Yes
Military history? Yes
Technical history? Probably, but please clarify what technical history is
20th century? No

Building something: Is building something part of the hobby itself? Yes Or is building something just required so one can use the something for the hobby? No
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Are the cars used as building material?

Military history, not 20th century? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? Medieval? Antique?

Reenactment relevant?
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Are the cars used as building material? Hard to answer - yes and no

Military history, not 20th century? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? Medieval? Yes Antique?

Reenactment relevant? Hard to answer - yes and no
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Is he building a castle? Is he a member of SCA?
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Is he building a castle? No Is he a member of SCA? Could be -- SCA is not directly relevant but SCA members would very likely be interested in what he was up to.
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Hint: the significance of the land and why he bought it will become apparent once the rest of the story is complete -- it is the final element of the solution. The puzzle statement could have been, "Why did he buy the land?". The whole guy and men drinking business is just there to get you in the right frame of mind.
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Does the hobby involve building catapults and launching used cars into space -- space one would need to purchase, since the government or a private owner would look askance upon several tons of scrap metal crashing into their nature preserve or private golf course?
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Does the hobby involve building catapults and launching used cars into space -- space one would need to purchase, since the government or a private owner would look askance upon several tons of scrap metal crashing into their nature preserve or private golf course? WOW!! You nailed it pretty thoroughly.

****** Spoiler ********

As paraphrased from Dave Barry's "Guide to Guys", two guys in Texas decided to build the world's largest trebuchet, designed hurl a Buick 200 yards. They were serious -- they traveled to England to meet with a trebuchet expert, and one of them even bought 80 acres next to his house, just so the Buick would have a place to land.

When Dave Barry wrote about this in one of his columns, he received many letters, none of them from women, expressing strong interest in seeing the Buick get hurled and building large trebuchets of their own. He noted that guys found it perfectly natural to want to "build devices that can hurl heavy objects long distances for no conceivable useful purpose." He went on to opine that that's why we have a space program.

Thanks Jenburdoo for hanging in there with us guys!!

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