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| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4447 Registered: 8-2001 |
When Luciana got a divorce, Tyler was furious, although he doesn't disapprove of divorce & also doesn't think her divorce harmed anyone. How come? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 902 Registered: 7-2001 |
the relationship between them: were they married ever? are they siblings? friends? co-workers? family members? strangers? acquaintances? is Tyler adult? did tyler somehow lose a benefit by her divorce? did he fail to recieve a benefit? was he furious because of the effect upon her? upon him? upon her divorced spouse? upon another pserson? upon 'society'? children relevant? pets? jobs? housing? race? politics? hobbies? education? does he think that something would have been achieved by her not getting a divorce? does he feel the divorce causes a lost opportunity in some way? is money relevant? tax? crime? | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 384 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is he furious directly at the fact that Luciana got a divorce? Or something that would happen / happened as a result of her breakage of marriage? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4450 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 902 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 11:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) the relationship between them: were they married ever? no are they siblings? no friends? no co-workers? nofamily members? nostrangers? possiblyacquaintances? possibly is Tyler adult? yes did tyler somehow lose a benefit by her divorce? no did he fail to recieve a benefit? no was he furious because of the effect upon her? noupon him? noupon her divorced spouse? no upon another pserson? noupon 'society'? no children relevant? nopets? no jobs? yes housing no? no race? nopolitics? no hobbies? noeducation? yope does he think that something would have been achieved by her not getting a divorce? no does he feel the divorce causes a lost opportunity in some way? no is money relevant? yesish or yestax? nocrime? no Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle) New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 384 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 11:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is he furious directly at the fact that Luciana got a divorce? yope Or something that would happen / happened as a result of her breakage of marriage? no | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 819 Registered: 12-2008 |
is citizenship relevant? visas? green cards? immigration? inheritance? arranged marriages? LTPF list of centuries? countries? Does Tyler think her marriage benefitted someone? Reason for divorce relevant? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 434 Registered: 9-2008 |
Luciana: H, A, F? Tyler: H, A, M? Tyler = Luciana's ex-husband? | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 19 Registered: 6-2009 |
Did Tyler interact with Luciana in a professional capacity? Did her divorce affect his work/job/employment status in any way? Did they work in the same industry? Would he lose money as a result of her divorce? Was he a divorce lawyer? Is a lawyer relevant to the puzzle? | ||
| Blackmagic (Blackmagic)
New member Username: Blackmagic Post Number: 49 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did Tyler want Luciana to get divorced? Did Luciana want to get divorced? If Tyler is not Luciana's ex-husband, is he some relative of the husband? Is his angriness maybe about Luciana's/ex-husband's will? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4452 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bolapara (Bolapara) New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 819 Registered: 12-2008 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 3:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is citizenship relevant? visas? green cards? immigration? inheritance? arranged marriages? no to all LTPF list of centuries? Would be 20th or 21stcountries? It would work in the USA. I don't know about other countries, but I bet it would work in several others, too. Does Tyler think her marriage benefitted someone? yes Reason for divorce relevant? yes Rcs (Rcs) New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 434 Registered: 9-2008 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 5:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Luciana: H, A, F? yes to all Tyler: H, A, M? ditto Tyler = Luciana's ex-husband? no Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 19 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 6:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did Tyler interact with Luciana in a professional capacity? possibly but not necessarily Did her divorce affect his work/job/employment status in any way? no Did they work in the same industry? yope Would he lose money as a result of her divorce? no Was he a divorce lawyer? no Is a lawyer relevant to the puzzle? no Blackmagic (Blackmagic) New member Username: Blackmagic Post Number: 49 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 2:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did Tyler want Luciana to get divorced? no Did Luciana want to get divorced? yes If Tyler is not Luciana's ex-husband, is he some relative of the husband? no Is his angriness maybe about Luciana's/ex-husband's will? no | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 28 Registered: 6-2009 |
Was Tyler aware of the marriage before its breakup? Or did he only become aware of it when he learned of the divorce? Relevant how he found out? Were Luciana and/or her ex famous? Since he wasn't angry based on the divorce's effects on himself, Luciana, her ex, another person, or society, was it related to the effects on an entire group? A company, for example? Did he care about the effects at all? or just that the divorce had taken place? Other than Luciana, her ex, and Tyler, is any other single person relevant? Any group? Is Tyler's profession relevant? Is Luciana's? If so, is it/are they related to... Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Government? Military? Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4456 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 28 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Monday, June 29, 2009 - 8:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was Tyler aware of the marriage before its breakup? yes Or did he only become aware of it when he learned of the divorce? no Relevant how he found out? It's relevantish how he found about the marriage, irrel how he found out about the divorce how Were Luciana and/or her ex famous? neither was famous Since he wasn't angry based on the divorce's effects on himself, Luciana, her ex, another person, or society, was it related to the effects on an entire group? no A company, for example? no Did he care about the effects at all? no or just that the divorce had taken place? yes Other than Luciana, her ex, and Tyler, is any other single person relevant?yope Any group? yope Is Tyler's profession relevant? yesIs Luciana's? yes If so, is it/are they related to... Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Government? Military? Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? Luciana is a college teacher; Tyler is is a realtor | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 439 Registered: 9-2008 |
Hmm, Tyler is a realtor. Did Luciana's divorce mean that Tyler didn't get to make a real estate transaction he was planning to make? Did Luciana decide not to buy or sell a house as a consequence of her divorce? OTRT? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4458 Registered: 8-2001 |
Rcs (Rcs) New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 439 Registered: 9-2008 Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 10:07 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Hmm, Tyler is a realtor. Did Luciana's divorce mean that Tyler didn't get to make a real estate transaction he was planning to make? no Did Luciana decide not to buy or sell a house as a consequence of her divorce? noOTRT? No. A realtor is just one of many possible occupations for Tyler. | ||
| Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1080 Registered: 6-2003 |
Are names relevant? Did Luciana change her name when she got married? Did she change it when she got divorced? Are titles relevant? When married, did Luciana go by Mrs.? Ms.? Dr.? When divorced, does she go by Miss? Ms.? Dr.? Does she, in fact, have a doctorate? Is that the reason it's relevant that she's a college teacher? Is Tyler's anger reasonable? Is he misunderstanding something? Is he being petty? | ||
| Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1081 Registered: 6-2003 |
I just realized that I know a divorced woman who goes by Mrs., so add that to the appropriate list above. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4464 Registered: 8-2001 |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1080 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 11:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are names relevant? no Did Luciana change her name when she got married? irrel Did she change it when she got divorced? ditto Are titles relevant? no When married, did Luciana go by Mrs.? Ms.? Dr.? When divorced, does she go by Miss? Ms.? Dr.?{ all the 6 preceding questions have the same answer: irrel} Does she, in fact, have a doctorate? [probably, since most college teachers do Is that the reason it's relevant that she's a college teacher? no. What's relevant is that she is a college teacher Is Tyler's anger reasonable? yes Is he misunderstanding something? no Is he being petty? no Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1081 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 11:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I just realized that I know a divorced woman who goes by Mrs., so add that to the appropriate list above. titles are irrel | ||
| Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1083 Registered: 6-2003 |
When Luciana was married, did she and her husband live together? Did they combine their finances? Would the puzzle work if they had not lived together? if they had not combined their finances? Would the puzzle work if Luciana broke up with a boyfriend with whom she had lived and/or combined finances? Is Luciana's ex-husband's occupation relevant? Does he earn much more than Luciana? much less? about the same? Is some detail of the divorce settlement relevant? Do Luciana and her husband have any children? If so, is it relevant who got custody? Does either ex-spouse have to pay the other one alimony? child support? some other payment? The reason for the divorce is relevant: infidelity? abuse? irreconcilable differences? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4466 Registered: 8-2001 |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1083 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 12:02 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) When Luciana was married, did she and her husband live together? yesDid they combine their finances? irrelWould the puzzle work if they had not lived together? no if they had not combined their finances? yes Would the puzzle work if Luciana broke up with a boyfriend with whom she had lived yes and/or combined finances irrel? Is Luciana's ex-husband's occupation relevant?{yes Does he earn much more than Luciana?irrel much less? irrel about the same? irrel Is some detail of the divorce settlement relevant? no Do Luciana and her husband have any children? irrel If so, is it relevant who got custody? noDoes either ex-spouse have to pay the other one alimony? irrelchild support? irrel some other payment? irrel The reason for the divorce is relevant: infidelity? no abuse? no irreconcilable differences?yesish | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4475 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Tyler's reaction is reasonable by almost any plausible standard. | ||
| Bcj (Bcj)
New member Username: Bcj Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is Luciana's ex handicapped? Is he a college professor? Student? Staff? Length of marriage relevant? | ||
| Bcj (Bcj)
New member Username: Bcj Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2009 |
Does Luciana's ex lose a benefit with the divorce? Is Tyler H/A/M? What does H/A/M mean? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 205 Registered: 2-2009 |
Bcj, HAM or H/A/M, or however else someone wants to form it, is the LTPF's way of quickly asking three questions that are often asked in puzzles to establish information about the characters. It stands for "Human? Adult? Male?" Is Tyler angry because of some effect the divorce has on his own life? on someone (or several someones?) other than himself? Does Tyler have any children? Is Tyler a student of Luciana's? Are any of his children? Does Luciana's performance of her job have anything to do with Tyler's anger? Does Tyler live in the same neighborhood as Luciana and her husband did when they lived in the same house? Did one? both? of the married couple move when they divorced? Does Tyler live in a neighborhood to which one of the former couple moved? Does this puzzle involve any vindictive exes showing up at their former spouse's house? Are there police involved at any point? Is there any driving down of property values involved? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4479 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bcj (Bcj) New member Username: Bcj Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 10:36 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is Luciana's ex handicapped? irrel Is he a college professor?yes Student? no Staff? no Length of marriage relevant? yes Bcj (Bcj) New member Username: Bcj Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 4:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does Luciana's ex lose a benefit with the divorce? no Is Tyler H/A/M? yes to all What does H/A/M mean? human, adult, male Kalira (Kalira) New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 205 Registered: 2-2009 Posted on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 5:16 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Bcj, HAM or H/A/M, or however else someone wants to form it, is the LTPF's way of quickly asking three questions that are often asked in puzzles to establish information about the characters. It stands for "Human? Adult? Male?" Is Tyler angry because of some effect the divorce has on his own life? no on someone (or several someones? no) other than himself? no Does Tyler have any children? irrel Is Tyler a student of Luciana's? noAre any of his children? no Does Luciana's performance of her job have anything to do with Tyler's anger?yesish Does Tyler live in the same neighborhood as Luciana and her husband did when they lived in the same house? irrel Did one? both? of the married couple move when they divorced? one did Does Tyler live in a neighborhood to which one of the former couple moved? irrel Does this puzzle involve any vindictive exes showing up at their former spouse's house? no Are there police involved at any point? noIs there any driving down of property values involved? no | ||
| Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1084 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is it relevant what subjects Luciana and her ex-husband teach? While they were married, did they teach at the same university? in the same department? Is it relevant which member of the couple moved upon getting divorced? If so: L? Her ex? Did the member of the couple who moved also change jobs? Or quit his/her former job, without necessarily finding a new one? Are anti-nepotism policies relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4482 Registered: 8-2001 |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1084 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 12:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it relevant what subjects Luciana and her ex-husband teach? no While they were married, did they teach at the same university? yes in the same department?possibly Is it relevant which member of the couple moved upon getting divorced? no If so: L? Her ex? Did the member of the couple who moved also change jobs? no Or quit his/her former job, without necessarily finding a new one? no Are anti-nepotism policies relevant? yope | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 122 Registered: 6-2009 |
As colleagues, was it a problem when Luciana and her husband became involved? Was one or both of them fired? When they lived together, was it on the college campus? After the divorce, did they both still work at the college? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4485 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 122 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 8:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) As colleagues, was it a problem when Luciana and her husband became involved? yope Was one or both of them fired? no When they lived together, was it on the college campus? Professors rarely live on campus, but they lived in the college townAfter the divorce, did they both still work at the college? yes | ||
| Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1085 Registered: 6-2003 |
While married, did one or both members of the couple make any sort of career or financial sacrifice that he/she/they wouldn't have had to make if it hadn't been for the relationship? And then, after the divorce, he/she/they still had to live with the consequences of those sacrifices, and didn't even have a relationship to show for it? Was the divorce Luciana's idea? her husband's? was it a mutual decision? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4487 Registered: 8-2001 |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1085 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 4:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) While married, did one or both members of the couple make any sort of career or financial sacrifice that he/she/they wouldn't have had to make if it hadn't been for the relationship? no And then, after the divorce, he/she/they still had to live with the consequences of those sacrifices, and didn't even have a relationship to show for it? no Was the divorce Luciana's idea? see next answer but oneher husband's? was it a mutual decision? yes | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 139 Registered: 6-2009 |
Looking back, I guess you said Tyler thought Luciana's marriage benefited someone. Did he think it benefited himself? Luciana? Tyler? her students? his students? the students at the university in general? Tyler's clients? Other professors? Other real estate agents? Was the benefit along the lines of them setting a precedent? When they got married, did the university specifically have to say it was okay? And since they got divorced, the administrators are now less likely to allow faculty to date each other? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4491 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 139 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 12:50 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Looking back, I guess you said Tyler thought Luciana's marriage benefited someone. Did he think it benefited himself? no Luciana? possiblyTyler? possibly her students? no his students? no the students at the university in general? no Tyler's clients? noOther professors? noOther real estate agents? no Was the benefit along the lines of them setting a precedent? no When they got married, did the university specifically have to say it was okay? American employers are getting increasingly intrusive, but I know of none that requires employees to get approval before marryingAnd since they got divorced, the administrators are now less likely to allow faculty to date each other?no | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 94 Registered: 7-2009 |
is tyler the parent of one of her students? did she miss any work as a result of the divorce? was tyler mad that she missed work? Did tyler and her have sexual relations? is her ex-husband relevant at all? new to this puzzle and only skimmed through it so sorry if there are repeated questions | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4494 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sugarshane (Sugarshane) New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 94 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 10:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is tyler the parent of one of her students?no did she miss any work as a result of the divorce? no was tyler mad that she missed work? no Did tyler and her have sexual relations? no is her ex-husband relevant at all? yesnew to this puzzle and only skimmed through it so sorry if there are repeated questions There aren't, & anyway, pobody's nerfect | ||
| Hiphapa (Hiphapa)
New member Username: Hiphapa Post Number: 48 Registered: 2-2009 |
Since you're a professor, is this based on a true story? Do you know Luciana? Her ex-husband? Tyler? Is there a relevant fourth character besides these three? More? Is race relevant? Age? Gender? Sexuality? Citizenship? Health? Did anyone break the law? Is Tyler upset because he feels that Luciana's divorce is morally wrong? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4497 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hiphapa (Hiphapa) New member Username: Hiphapa Post Number: 48 Registered: 2-2009 Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 5:41 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Since you're a professor, is this based on a true story? noDo you know Luciana?n/a Her ex-husband? ditto Tyler? ditto Is there a relevant fourth character besides these three? yesMore? yes Is race relevant? Age? Gender? Sexuality? Citizenship? Health? None of these is relevantt Did anyone break the law? no Is Tyler upset because he feels that Luciana's divorce is morally wrong? no or maybe noish | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 167 Registered: 6-2009 |
How many more relevant people... 2? more than 2? more than 5? more than 10? more than 20? Are these all specific people, or members of a group? Are any or all of them her students? his students? the students at the university in general? Tyler's clients? Other professors? Other real estate agents? Did Tyler sell Luciana and her husband their house? Did they, in fact, live in a house? or an apartment? relevant? Does it matter how long they were married/living together? The circumstances under which they got married/started living together? What they did/where they went after breaking up? | ||
| Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1086 Registered: 6-2003 |
Do the other relevant characters include: coworkers of Luciana? of her ex-husband? of Tyler? relatives of any of these three? friends? romantic partners? You've said that the length of the marriage is relevant, but I don't think it's been established: Were L and her ex-husband married for more than 1 year? more than 2? more than 5? more than 10? more than 20? Do we need to know the length of the marriage more specifically than that? When L and her now-ex-husband got married, did they both already teach at the same university? Did one of them already teach there? neither of them? Did L and her now-ex-husband get married for the usual reason? or for some other reason? Did they get married with the intention of divorcing eventually? divorcing at a particular time? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4504 Registered: 8-2001 |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1086 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 10:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Do the other relevant characters include: coworkers of Luciana? yes of her ex-husband? yes of Tyler? no relatives of any of these three? no friends? possiblyromantic partners? no You've said that the length of the marriage is relevant, but I don't think it's been established: Were L and her ex-husband married for more than 1 year? more than 2? more than 5? more than 10? more than 20? Do we need to know the length of the marriage more specifically than that?between 2 & 7-8 years When L and her now-ex-husband got married, did they both already teach at the same university? no Did one of them already teach there? possibly neither of them? possibly Did L and her now-ex-husband get married for the usual reason? noor for some other reason? yesDid they get married with the intention of divorcing eventually? yesdivorcing at a particular time? yes | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 170 Registered: 6-2009 |
Was it a green card wedding? Was he upset because their divorce signified that they had only gotten married to obtain some benefit? | ||
| Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1087 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did their marriage help them get their jobs at the same university? Did they remain married until they both got tenure? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4507 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 170 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 11:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was it a green card wedding? no Was he upset because their divorce signified that they had only gotten married to obtain some benefit? yes Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1087 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 11:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did their marriage help them get their jobs at the same university? yes Did they remain married until they both got tenure? yes ********* SPOILER ************** The "old boy" system of hiring on connections rather than merit is now in disrepute at American colleges & universities--with one exception. These institutions pride themselves on hiring the spouses (or romantic partners) of prestigious faculty or prospective faculty. Of course, this discriminates against job candidates who lack this "credential." Tyler was furious when his most promising job opportunity went to the husband of prestigious Luciana. But that's nothing compared to how furious he was when they split up (& remained friends) soon after the husband got tenure.In many fields, the academic job market is so tight that he who misses out on his best prospect never gets another one. That is what happened to Tyler, which is why became a realtor. By the way, I wrote a column about this sort of injustice. Here is the link. But most of all, please turn your active minds to my new puzzle at the bottom of the page. http://www.projo.com/opinion/contributors/content/CT_acker27_05-27-08_BJA7P1R_v25.39c94e1.html | ||
| Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1088 Registered: 6-2003 |
Interesting puzzle, and interesting article. As a former future academic myself, I've heard a lot of talk about the "two-body problem," but never before (that I can recall) about the implications for single people. But I'm wondering (as I often wonder about people who claim to be victims of discrimination): What makes Tyler think that Luciana's husband's job would otherwise have gone to him? Maybe Luciana's husband was really the best-qualified candidate after all. | ||
| Buzzard (Buzzard)
New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1089 Registered: 6-2003 |
Also, it can't be easy to fake a romantic relationship for that many years, when the very people you're trying to fool are your colleagues that you see every day. (Green card marriages, on the other hand, don't seem like they'd be under such constant scrutiny.) Any "real" romances for either of them would have to be put on hold or conducted in secret. And Luciana doesn't even get anything out of the deal herself - she must really have liked this guy in order to be willing to do him such a big favor. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4510 Registered: 8-2001 |
Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1088 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:28 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Interesting puzzle, and interesting article. As a former future academic myself, I've heard a lot of talk about the "two-body problem," but never before (that I can recall) about the implications for single people. How amazing that you haven't heard anyone discuss the problem of discrimination here. But I'm wondering (as I often wonder about people who claim to be victims of discrimination): What makes Tyler think that Luciana's husband's job would otherwise have gone to him? Maybe Luciana's husband was really the best-qualified candidate after all.Schools openly admit that they favor spouses. While I'm also often skeptical of discrimination claims by rejected candidates, sometimes they do seem justified. Tyler might have been told that the hiring committee ranked right below L's husband--& T's publication record may be much better--more articles in higher-status journals. Buzzard (Buzzard) New member Username: Buzzard Post Number: 1089 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:42 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Also, it can't be easy to fake a romantic relationship for that many years, when the very people you're trying to fool are your colleagues that you see every day. (Green card marriages, on the other hand, don't seem like they'd be under such constant scrutiny.)But married couples are expected to act professional on the job. So even if L & her husband had married for the usual reasons, they would not be engaging in PDA's (public dislays of affection) on the job. Any "real" romances for either of them would have to be put on hold or conducted in secret.True, but maybe they don't have real romances, or maybe they consider the secrecy worth it. And Luciana doesn't even get anything out of the deal herself - she must really have liked this guy in order to be willing to do him such a big favor. Maybe he's a very good friend--or maybe she is getting a practical benefit. Maybe her husband does all the housework, etc. So she gets a live-in domestic servant out of the deal! |
